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Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015).

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First post2015-03-09 14:57 -0700
Last post2015-03-13 10:49 +1300
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  Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-09 14:57 -0700
    Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-10 11:53 +1300
      Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-10 21:29 -0700
        Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-11 18:24 +1300
        Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-10 23:21 -0700
          Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-11 12:24 -0700
        Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-11 23:46 +1300
          Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-11 12:25 -0700
        Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-03-11 08:59 -0700
          Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 16:49 +0000
            Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-11 09:54 -0700
              Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 16:57 +0000
                Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-11 10:02 -0700
                  Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 17:07 +0000
                    Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-11 10:38 -0700
                      Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 17:57 +0000
                      Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2015-03-12 06:54 +0100
                  Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-11 12:26 -0700
                    Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-12 09:14 +1300
                      Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 20:17 +0000
          Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-11 09:53 -0700
            Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-03-12 13:16 -0700
              Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-12 19:12 -0400
                Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-13 01:14 +0000
        Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-03-11 11:55 -0500
          Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-11 12:27 -0700
            Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 19:38 +0000
            Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-03-11 22:22 -0500
              Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-12 18:04 +1300
                Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-03-13 18:53 -0400
              Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-12 18:42 +1300
          Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-11 19:26 +0000
      Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). billy@MIX.COM - 2015-03-12 20:07 +0000
        Re: Apple just released updates for Mac OS X, iOS, AppleTV, and Xcode today (3/9/2015). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-13 10:49 +1300

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#70888

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2015-03-11 09:53 -0700
Message-ID<110320150953064051%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#70884
In article <mdpoob$6pq$1@dont-email.me>, tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org>
wrote:

> On 3/10/15 9:29 PM, Ant wrote:
> > I find it interesting that Apple released Mac OS X yesterday.
> 
> There we no MacOS updates.  Other than public betas.. which don't really 
> 'count' as a release.

And the most recent beta had been released a few days earlier.

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#70933

Fromtmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org>
Date2015-03-12 13:16 -0700
Message-ID<mdss68$c94$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70888
On 3/11/15 9:53 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <mdpoob$6pq$1@dont-email.me>, tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/10/15 9:29 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> I find it interesting that Apple released Mac OS X yesterday.
>>
>> There we no MacOS updates.  Other than public betas.. which don't really
>> 'count' as a release.
>
> And the most recent beta had been released a few days earlier.
>

True but as been said earlier if Ant was referring to a security 
update/patch I suppose his statement was accurate.


-- 
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if 
they are genuine."
   - Abraham Lincoln

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#70939

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date2015-03-12 19:12 -0400
Message-ID<xqGdncuebeXSgJ_InZ2dnUU7-TGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#70933
On 2015-03-12 16:16, tmo1138 wrote:
> --
> "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if
> they are genuine."
>    - Abraham Lincoln

He was so wise.

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#70943

Fromtmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com>
Date2015-03-13 01:14 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmg4egb.a36.tmo1138@davidjr-macpro.local>
In reply to#70939
On 2015-03-12, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-03-12 16:16, tmo1138 wrote:
>> --
>> "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if
>> they are genuine."
>>    - Abraham Lincoln
>
> He was so wise.

Indeed... :)


-- 
Everyone is more or less mad on one point.
		-- Rudyard Kipling

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#70890

FromDavid Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date2015-03-11 11:55 -0500
Message-ID<alpine.OSX.2.20.1503111142230.3932@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to#70853
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[ comp.sys.mac.apps, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad trimmed ]

On Tuesday, 10 March 2015 21:29 -0700, 
 in article <rJKdnftCdvAkWWLJnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, 
 Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> Yeah, it took hours to show up. Sheesh. I find it interesting that 
> Apple released Mac OS X yesterday. Why do all on the same day with 
> iOS since I don't they are related to each other?

Ant, there was no OS X update, on 09 March 2015.  Security Update 
2015-002, for OS X 8.x, 9.x and 10.x was released, along with the 
others you mentioned.  This update required a reboot.  Following this 
update, the OS X versions and Darwin kernel versions remain unchanged.

See <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204413>.  Also see 
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1222>.

HTH.

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#70901

FromAnt <ant@zimage.comANT>
Date2015-03-11 12:27 -0700
Message-ID<xa6dnaVzvf2FCp3InZ2dnUU7-cOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#70890
On 3/11/2015 9:55 AM, David Ritz wrote:

>> Yeah, it took hours to show up. Sheesh. I find it interesting that
>> Apple released Mac OS X yesterday. Why do all on the same day with
>> iOS since I don't they are related to each other?
>
> Ant, there was no OS X update, on 09 March 2015.  Security Update
> 2015-002, for OS X 8.x, 9.x and 10.x was released, along with the
> others you mentioned.  This update required a reboot.  Following this
> update, the OS X versions and Darwin kernel versions remain unchanged.
>
> See <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204413>.  Also see
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1222>.

Aren't security fixes as updates?
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#70903

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-03-11 19:38 +0000
Message-ID<cmbjt0Fg4rvU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70901
On 2015-03-11, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 3/11/2015 9:55 AM, David Ritz wrote:
>
>>> Yeah, it took hours to show up. Sheesh. I find it interesting that
>>> Apple released Mac OS X yesterday. Why do all on the same day with
>>> iOS since I don't they are related to each other?
>>
>> Ant, there was no OS X update, on 09 March 2015.  Security Update
>> 2015-002, for OS X 8.x, 9.x and 10.x was released, along with the
>> others you mentioned.  This update required a reboot.  Following this
>> update, the OS X versions and Darwin kernel versions remain unchanged.
>>
>> See <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204413>.  Also see
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1222>.
>
> Aren't security fixes as updates?

Yep. They are arguing semantics. Since operating system files *were*
updated, one can correctly say that it is an "OS update" that is
primarily addressing security issues. The popular term for this is "security
update" (which is what Apple calls it) or "operating system update".
While either term is valid, the former is likely to generate less
confusion and consternation.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#70917

FromDavid Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date2015-03-11 22:22 -0500
Message-ID<alpine.OSX.2.20.1503112122320.3932@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to#70901
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On Wednesday, 11 March 2015 12:27 -0700, 
 in article <xa6dnaVzvf2FCp3InZ2dnUU7-cOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, 
 Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 3/11/2015 9:55 AM, David Ritz wrote:

>>> Yeah, it took hours to show up. Sheesh. I find it interesting that 
>>> Apple released Mac OS X yesterday. Why do all on the same day with 
>>> iOS since I don't they are related to each other?

>> Ant, there was no OS X update, on 09 March 2015.  Security Update 
>> 2015-002, for OS X 8.x, 9.x and 10.x was released, along with the

Sorry, my bad.  That should read, "OS X Mountain Lion v10.8.5, OS X 
Mavericks v10.9.5, and OS X Yosemite v10.10.2."

>> others you mentioned.  This update required a reboot.  Following this
>> update, the OS X versions and Darwin kernel versions remain unchanged.

>> See <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204413>.  Also see
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1222>.

> Aren't security fixes as updates?

To my mind, these are more along the line of patches.  Neither the 
Kernel nor OS were upgraded.  They were patched.

In the case of OS X 10.10.3, the patches may have been already applied 
to the current beta version.  I'm quite sure the patches will have 
been already applied to its release.  I'd expect that the new Darwin 
kernel will be 14.2.0, sporting a 2015 date.  Those already running 
the beta may be able to confirm this.

Security Update 2015-002 addresses a hole, which dates back to U.S. 
laws, regarding the export of strong encryption, from 1992.  Apple has 
been using very weak RSA keys, for SSL/TLS, ever since, even though 
the law was relaxed.  Apple was not alone, in this respect.

This hole was reported, publicly, fairly recently.  While this item, 
under the title, "Secure Transport," is listed last, it is what put 
the heat on Apple, to address the issue and push the security update.

See 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_the_United_States> 
and <https://www.google.com/search?q=Apple+weak+RSA+keys>.

iOS, AppleTV and Xcode received major upgrades, including support 
relating to Apple's newest, must have gizmo, the Apple Watch.

<aside>
Pass.
</aside>

In addition to the watch support, the release of iOS 8.2 also 
addresses the weak RSA key issue.  This the iOS update actually 
upgrades the OS, to a new sub-version of iOS 8.

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#70919

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2015-03-12 18:04 +1300
Message-ID<1m16jjt.5somcfr80vwtN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#70917
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

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> 
> On Wednesday, 11 March 2015 12:27 -0700, 
>  in article <xa6dnaVzvf2FCp3InZ2dnUU7-cOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, 
>  Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> 
> > On 3/11/2015 9:55 AM, David Ritz wrote:
> 
> >>> Yeah, it took hours to show up. Sheesh. I find it interesting that
> >>> Apple released Mac OS X yesterday. Why do all on the same day with
> >>> iOS since I don't they are related to each other?
> 
> >> Ant, there was no OS X update, on 09 March 2015.  Security Update 
> >> 2015-002, for OS X 8.x, 9.x and 10.x was released, along with the
> 
> Sorry, my bad.  That should read, "OS X Mountain Lion v10.8.5, OS X 
> Mavericks v10.9.5, and OS X Yosemite v10.10.2."
> 
> >> others you mentioned.  This update required a reboot.  Following this
> >> update, the OS X versions and Darwin kernel versions remain unchanged.
> 
> >> See <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204413>.  Also see
> >> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1222>.
> 
> > Aren't security fixes as updates?
> 
> To my mind, these are more along the line of patches.  Neither the 
> Kernel nor OS were upgraded.  They were patched.

The Yosemite kernel has been updated by this security update. Whether
you call this an "upgrade" or a "patch" is semantics.

This was the previous output from uname -v on 10.10.2:

Darwin Kernel Version 14.1.0: Mon Dec 22 23:10:38 PST 2014;
root:xnu-2782.10.72~2/RELEASE_X86_64

This is the new output:

Darwin Kernel Version 14.1.0: Thu Feb 26 19:26:47 PST 2015;
root:xnu-2782.10.73~1/RELEASE_X86_64

For the 10.9.5 and 10.8.5 security updates, the kernel wasn't updated,
because there were no new kernel issuses affecting those versions.

The user-visible OS version number may not have changed, but the OS
build number has changed for all three OS X versions, which is unusual
for a security update.

10.10.2 (14C109) became 10.10.2 (14C1510)
10.9.5 (13F34) became 10.9.5 (13F1066)
10.8.5 (12F45) became 10.8.5 (12F2501)

The build number change will prevent subsequent use of the delta or
combo update to reinstall the same version of the OS on top of itself.
The maximum build numbers which are allowed for reinstallation of the
combo updates are 12F1999 for 10.8.5, 13F34 for 10.9.5 and 14C109 for
10.10.2.

Since there is unlikely to be a subsequent revision of the Mountain Lion
and Mavericks combo updates, that leaves those systems unable to use the
popular method of attempting to fix problems by reinstalling the combo
update.

For Yosemite, this is only a temporary problem until 10.10.3 is
released.

> In the case of OS X 10.10.3, the patches may have been already applied
> to the current beta version.

I've seen at least one comment that the current developer preview and/or
public beta of 10.10.3 is vulnerable to FREAK, implying that at least
one of these security fixes is yet to be distributed in 10.10.3. I
expect all these issues will be fixed in the next builds Apple
distributes.

> I'm quite sure the patches will have been already applied to its release.
> I'd expect that the new Darwin kernel will be 14.2.0, sporting a 2015
> date.  Those already running the beta may be able to confirm this.
> 
> Security Update 2015-002 addresses a hole, which dates back to U.S. 
> laws, regarding the export of strong encryption, from 1992.  Apple has
> been using very weak RSA keys, for SSL/TLS, ever since, even though 
> the law was relaxed.  Apple was not alone, in this respect.
> 
> This hole was reported, publicly, fairly recently.  While this item, 
> under the title, "Secure Transport," is listed last, it is what put 
> the heat on Apple, to address the issue and push the security update.

That wasn't the only reason. Apple almost certainly wanted to release
iOS 8.2 after the media event for the Apple Watch, and it probably
already included some security fixes (for other issues) which also
applied to OS X. That meant Apple had to release a corresponding OS X
security update, ideally the same day as iOS 8.2.

The FREAK issue may have been a late addition to iOS 8.2 and these
security updates. There is some evidence for this: the CoreTLS library
is the file with the latest modification time in the OS X 10.10.2
security update (apart from SystemVersion.plist), with all the other
files having been built up to two days earlier.

The fix for the FREAK issue happened to be ready at a convenient time,
when Apple was already planning to do a security update and iOS update.
If the FREAK fix had been a few days later, Apple might have had to
delay the iOS 8.2 update or release an iOS 8.2.1 update to fix one
security issue.

> See 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_the_United_States>
> and <https://www.google.com/search?q=Apple+weak+RSA+keys>.
> 
> iOS, AppleTV and Xcode received major upgrades, including support 
> relating to Apple's newest, must have gizmo, the Apple Watch.
> 
> <aside>
> Pass.
> </aside>
> 
> In addition to the watch support, the release of iOS 8.2 also 
> addresses the weak RSA key issue.  This the iOS update actually 
> upgrades the OS, to a new sub-version of iOS 8.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#70986

FromDavid Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date2015-03-13 18:53 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.NEB.2.11.1503131834460.29873@panix5.panix.com>
In reply to#70919
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On Thursday, 12 March 2015 01:04 -0000, 
 in article <1m16jjt.5somcfr80vwtN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, 
 David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

>> To my mind, these are more along the line of patches.  Neither the 
>> Kernel nor OS were upgraded.  They were patched.

> The Yosemite kernel has been updated by this security update. Whether
> you call this an "upgrade" or a "patch" is semantics.

> This was the previous output from uname -v on 10.10.2:

> Darwin Kernel Version 14.1.0: Mon Dec 22 23:10:38 PST 2014;
> root:xnu-2782.10.72~2/RELEASE_X86_64

> This is the new output:

> Darwin Kernel Version 14.1.0: Thu Feb 26 19:26:47 PST 2015;
> root:xnu-2782.10.73~1/RELEASE_X86_64

Thanks for the pointer, David.

Looking back, the last Security Update, which wasn't included in a OS 
X update, was Security Update 2014-005, which also involved SSL 
transport.  If memory serves, and I'll admit it's sometimes a bit 
like a rusted sieve, there wasn't a Kernel update at that time.  
Security Update 2014-005 was released 16 Oct 2014.

 Darwin Kernel Version 13.2.0: Thu Apr 17 23:03:13 PDT 2014;
    root:xnu-2422.100.13~1/RELEASE_X86_64

 Darwin Kernel Version 13.3.0: Tue Jun  3 21:27:35 PDT 2014;
    root:xnu-2422.110.17~1/RELEASE_X86_64

 Darwin Kernel Version 14.0.0: Fri Sep 19 00:26:44 PDT 2014;
    root:xnu-2782.1.97~2/RELEASE_X86_64

 Darwin Kernel Version 14.1.0: Mon Dec 22 23:10:38 PST 2014;
    root:xnu-2782.10.72~2/RELEASE_X86_64

 Darwin Kernel Version 14.1.0: Thu Feb 26 19:26:47 PST 2015;
    root:xnu-2782.10.73~1/RELEASE_X86_64

That I had not noticed a a change in the release, between 19 Sep 2014 
and 22 December 2014, may have thrown me off.

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
  Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#70920

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2015-03-12 18:42 +1300
Message-ID<120320151842323660%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#70917
In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1503112122320.3932@mako.ath.cx>, David Ritz
<dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 11 March 2015 12:27 -0700, 
>  in article <xa6dnaVzvf2FCp3InZ2dnUU7-cOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, 
>  Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > On 3/11/2015 9:55 AM, David Ritz wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Yeah, it took hours to show up. Sheesh. I find it interesting that 
> >>> Apple released Mac OS X yesterday. Why do all on the same day with 
> >>> iOS since I don't they are related to each other?
> >>
> >> Ant, there was no OS X update, on 09 March 2015.  Security Update 
> >> 2015-002, for OS X 8.x, 9.x and 10.x was released, along with the
> 
> Sorry, my bad.  That should read, "OS X Mountain Lion v10.8.5, OS X 
> Mavericks v10.9.5, and OS X Yosemite v10.10.2."
> 
> >> others you mentioned.  This update required a reboot.  Following this
> >> update, the OS X versions and Darwin kernel versions remain unchanged.
> >>
> >> See <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204413>.  Also see
> >> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1222>.
> 
> > Aren't security fixes as updates?
> 
> To my mind, these are more along the line of patches.  Neither the 
> Kernel nor OS were upgraded.  They were patched.
>
<snip>
> 
> Security Update 2015-002 addresses a hole ...
<snip>

As you just typed, Apple calls them "Updates" and for those doing
manual checks they are (or at least used to be) listed in the Software
Update application. What you personally call them is of course up to
you, but officially they are "Updates".

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#70902

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-03-11 19:26 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmg15pa.2870.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#70890
Okay, so one time? In band camp? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> was all, like:
> OS X 8.x, 9.x and 10.x

These are not valid version numbers for OS X.

> - -- 

Your delimiter is broken.

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#70932

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2015-03-12 20:07 +0000
Message-ID<mdsrla$ni7$4@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#70766
[Newsgroups trimmed..]

In comp.sys.mac.system David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote,
quoting Ant <ant@zimage.comANT>:

> > I saw iOS updates, but none for Mac OS X v10.8.5 on two/2 Mac machines. :(
> 
> Patience, young apprentice. Apple's updates are sent out via distributed
> server networks, and some of the updates may take a while to appear on
> some nodes, and via different distribution methods, such as Software
> Update vs manual download from http://support.apple.com/downloads.

This web page, at least as it appears in southern California, shows the
Mountain Lion icon (still, I waited a couple days before mentioning this
here) for the Mavericks and Yosemite versions of Security Update 2015-002.
Ditto for https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1797 (Mavericks-specific page)
and probably some others.

I'm curious what the rest of the world is seeing...?

Billy Y..
-- 
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#70935

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2015-03-13 10:49 +1300
Message-ID<1m17vwi.z6ezfbzhrh2zN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#70932
<billy@MIX.COM> wrote:

> [Newsgroups trimmed..]
> 
> In comp.sys.mac.system David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote,
> quoting Ant <ant@zimage.comANT>:
> 
> > > I saw iOS updates, but none for Mac OS X v10.8.5 on two/2 Mac machines. :(
> > 
> > Patience, young apprentice. Apple's updates are sent out via distributed
> > server networks, and some of the updates may take a while to appear on
> > some nodes, and via different distribution methods, such as Software
> > Update vs manual download from http://support.apple.com/downloads.
> 
> This web page, at least as it appears in southern California, shows the
> Mountain Lion icon (still, I waited a couple days before mentioning this
> here) for the Mavericks and Yosemite versions of Security Update 2015-002.
> Ditto for https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1797 (Mavericks-specific page)
> and probably some others.
> 
> I'm curious what the rest of the world is seeing...?

Same here, if I look at the main page, but if I go to the search section
(Broswe by Product) and then choose Mac OS, it gets the correct icons.

Oddly, if I go to the detail page for the Mavericks or Yosemite updates,
it shows the same icon I just saw on whichever listing page I used to
get to it, and it seems to be consistent.

In detail:

1. <http://support.apple.com/downloads> shows Mountain Lion icons for
the Mavericks and Yosemite security updates.

2. If I click on the Mavericks update (for example) from that page I get
to <https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1797?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US>,
which shows the Mountain Lion icon.

3. If I go to <https://support.apple.com/downloads#macos> I see the
correct icons.

4. If I then click on the Mavericks update, I end up at the same URL as
in #2 above, but now with the correct icon.

I can have both the Mavericks detail pages open in tabs showing
different icons on the same page.

5. Refreshing either Mavericks update page changes icon according to
whichever route was followed most recently to access that page.

6. Firefox and Safari behave the same.

7. Deleting web browser caches for Apple doesn't help.

Weird.
-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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