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  can't connect to astraweb on thoth edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> - 2015-02-23 10:39 -0800
    Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> - 2015-02-23 10:50 -0800
    Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-23 20:55 +0000
      Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> - 2015-02-23 13:05 -0800
        Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-02-23 16:36 -0500
          Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> - 2015-02-23 14:12 -0800
            Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-02-23 18:20 -0500
        Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-23 21:54 +0000
          Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> - 2015-02-23 16:16 -0800
            Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-23 16:28 -0800
            Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-02-23 19:50 -0600
              Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth heron stone <heron@invalid.invalid> - 2015-02-23 21:08 -0800
                Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-24 08:31 -0500
                  Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-02-24 16:02 +0000
      Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-23 20:29 -0500
    Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-02-23 21:57 -0600
      Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth Edna Hosner <edna@invalid.invalid> - 2015-02-23 21:10 -0800
      Re: can't connect to astraweb on thoth Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> - 2015-02-24 12:14 +0000

#70147 — can't connect to astraweb on thoth

i've been using thoth for ages for text groups on usenet

all of a sudden, today, it won't connect

i'm using usison for this message


when i start thoth, i get the follow message..

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
When Thoth tried to connect to your news server ssl-us.astraweb.com (?) 
563, there was an error:

The operation couldn’t be completed. (OSStatus error -9807.)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------


does anyone know what's happening here?

thanks

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#70148

and also, now unison won't quit

i must force quit

but, at least it still works

i've been experimenting with VPN, but it is off when these issues are occurring

i've rebooted, but i don't know what else to do

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#70151

Okay, so one time? In band camp? edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> was all, like:
> i've been using thoth for ages for text groups on usenet

> all of a sudden, today, it won't connect

> i'm using usison for this message


> when i start thoth, i get the follow message..

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> When Thoth tried to connect to your news server ssl-us.astraweb.com (?) 
> 563, there was an error:

> The operation couldn’t be completed. (OSStatus error -9807.)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Invalid Certificate Chain.

More likely, Toth's certificate handling is broken in some way.


-- 
http://2blog.kreme.com
There is a road, no simple highway, between the dawn and the dark of
night

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#70152

> Invalid Certificate Chain.
> 
> More likely, Toth's certificate handling is broken in some way.


do you know how to fix it?

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#70153

In article <54eb9633$0$64406$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>,
 edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Invalid Certificate Chain.
> > 
> > More likely, Toth's certificate handling is broken in some way.
> 
> 
> do you know how to fix it?

Switch to plain NNTP instead of SSL.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#70155

On 2015-02-23 21:36:03 +0000, Barry Margolin said:

> In article <54eb9633$0$64406$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>,
>  edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Invalid Certificate Chain.
>>> 
>>> More likely, Toth's certificate handling is broken in some way.
>> 
>> 
>> do you know how to fix it?
> 
> Switch to plain NNTP instead of SSL.

how can i do that?

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#70157

In article <54eba5bc$0$19774$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com>,
 edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2015-02-23 21:36:03 +0000, Barry Margolin said:
> 
> > In article <54eb9633$0$64406$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>,
> >  edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>> Invalid Certificate Chain.
> >>> 
> >>> More likely, Toth's certificate handling is broken in some way.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> do you know how to fix it?
> > 
> > Switch to plain NNTP instead of SSL.
> 
> how can i do that?

I don't use Thoth, but I'd expect it to be in whatever dialog you use to 
configure the server information. There's probably a checkbox labeled 
something like "Use secure connection".

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#70154

Okay, so one time? In band camp? edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> was all, like:
>> Invalid Certificate Chain.
>> 
>> More likely, Toth's certificate handling is broken in some way.

> do you know how to fix it?

Since it has nothing to do with the end user, it is probably not fixable
by the end user.

You could "fix" it by not using SSL, but I wouldn't. I'd just get a
client written by a competent programmer instead of a petulant thief.


-- 
http://2blog.kreme.com
-=>
<http://xkcd.com/241/> <http://xkcd.com/304/> <http://xkcd.com/635/>
<=-

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#70158

On 2015-02-23 21:54:32 +0000, Lewis said:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> 
> was all, like:
>>> Invalid Certificate Chain.
>>> 
>>> More likely, Toth's certificate handling is broken in some way.
> 
>> do you know how to fix it?
> 
> Since it has nothing to do with the end user, it is probably not fixable
> by the end user.
> 
> You could "fix" it by not using SSL, but I wouldn't. I'd just get a
> client written by a competent programmer instead of a petulant thief.


it's worked just fine until today

what do i do to get it off SSL?

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#70159

On 2015-02-24 00:16:34 +0000, edna hosner said:

> On 2015-02-23 21:54:32 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> 
>> was all, like:
>>>> Invalid Certificate Chain.
>>>> 
>>>> More likely, Toth's certificate handling is broken in some way.
>> 
>>> do you know how to fix it?
>> 
>> Since it has nothing to do with the end user, it is probably not fixable
>> by the end user.
>> 
>> You could "fix" it by not using SSL, but I wouldn't. I'd just get a
>> client written by a competent programmer instead of a petulant thief.
> 
> 
> it's worked just fine until today
> 
> what do i do to get it off SSL?

If it's workingm I would advise against fixing it.

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#70162

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On Monday, 23 February 2015 16:16 -0800, 
 in article <54ebc2e2$0$44243$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>, 
 edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2015-02-23 21:54:32 +0000, Lewis said:

>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> was
>> all, like:

>>>> Invalid Certificate Chain.

>>>> More likely, Toth's certificate handling is broken in some way.

>>> do you know how to fix it?

>> Since it has nothing to do with the end user, it is probably not 
>> fixable by the end user.

>> You could "fix" it by not using SSL, but I wouldn't. I'd just get a 
>> client written by a competent programmer instead of a petulant 
>> thief.

> it's worked just fine until today
> 
> what do i do to get it off SSL?

You don't want or need to turn off SSL.  You want to accept Astroweb's 
expired and no longer valid certificate.

In Thoth, go to Edit>News Server Settings menu and select your 
Astroweb server, ie. 'news.astraweb.com'.  Under the SSL heading, tick 
the Allow Bad Certificates.

If my assumptions pan out, you should be good to go.

HTH.

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#70166

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1502231940470.2595@mako.ath.cx>, David Ritz
<dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> You don't want or need to turn off SSL.  You want to accept Astroweb's 
> expired and no longer valid certificate.
> 
> In Thoth, go to Edit>News Server Settings menu and select your 
> Astroweb server, ie. 'news.astraweb.com'.  Under the SSL heading, tick 
> the Allow Bad Certificates.
> 
> If my assumptions pan out, you should be good to go.
> 
> HTH.


brilliant man

thank you

Allow Bad Certificates did it

is there anything else i need to do with astraweb?

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#70176

In article <230220152108042944%heron@invalid.invalid>,
 heron stone <heron@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1502231940470.2595@mako.ath.cx>, David Ritz
> <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> > You don't want or need to turn off SSL.  You want to accept Astroweb's 
> > expired and no longer valid certificate.
> > 
> > In Thoth, go to Edit>News Server Settings menu and select your 
> > Astroweb server, ie. 'news.astraweb.com'.  Under the SSL heading, tick 
> > the Allow Bad Certificates.
> > 
> > If my assumptions pan out, you should be good to go.
> > 
> > HTH.
> 
> 
> brilliant man
> 
> thank you
> 
> Allow Bad Certificates did it
> 
> is there anything else i need to do with astraweb?

It's back to normal now, anyway.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#70179

For your reference, records indicate that 
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's back to normal now, anyway.

That’s the funny thing about getting certificates (or domain registrations
or whatever) that only expire after 10 or 20 years.  People think it makes
them look more professional/stable, but what it really does is make people
forget about it, especially if 2 or 3 people cycle through the job over
the years.  Then everyone is surprised when the inevitable happens.
Better (maybe?) that it was on a Monday than a Friday.

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#70161

In article <slrnmen4v6.1b9u.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Invalid Certificate Chain.
> 
> More likely, Toth's certificate handling is broken in some way.

No, it's Astraweb's cert is out of date. MTNW reports it, but lets me 
continue anyway.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#70165

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On Monday, 23 February 2015 10:39 -0800, 
 in article <54eb73e4$0$1658$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com>, 
 edna hosner <edna.hosner@gmail.com> wrote:

> i've been using thoth for ages for text groups on usenet

I took another look, to see what other issues may be occurring.  I 
believe I've identified your problem.

$ nmap news.astroweb.com -p 119,563

Starting Nmap 6.47 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-02-23 21:51 CST
Nmap scan report for news.astroweb.com (184.168.221.104)
Host is up (0.087s latency).
rDNS record for 184.168.221.104: ip-184-168-221-104.ip.secureserver.net
PORT    STATE  SERVICE
119/tcp closed nntp
563/tcp closed snews

Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 11.41 seconds

The host is 'up', but the nntp and snews ports are closed.  It may be 
time to find yourself a different Usenet provider.

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#70167

> I took another look, to see what other issues may be occurring.  I 
> believe I've identified your problem.
> 
> $ nmap news.astroweb.com -p 119,563
> 
> Starting Nmap 6.47 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-02-23 21:51 CST
> Nmap scan report for news.astroweb.com (184.168.221.104)
> Host is up (0.087s latency).
> rDNS record for 184.168.221.104: ip-184-168-221-104.ip.secureserver.net
> PORT    STATE  SERVICE
> 119/tcp closed nntp
> 563/tcp closed snews
> 
> Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 11.41 seconds
> 
> The host is 'up', but the nntp and snews ports are closed.  It may be 
> time to find yourself a different Usenet provider.


i don't understand a word of the above

it's working for the time being... thanks to "Allow Bad Certificates"

is there anything i need to do?

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#70173

David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> I took another look, to see what other issues may be occurring.  I 
> believe I've identified your problem.

> $ nmap news.astroweb.com -p 119,563

You should of tried astraweb.com, would of worked better.

Plus most news systems that support SSL usually use different machines and
hostnames (ssl-us.astraweb.com vs. news.astraweb.com).

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

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