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  Target disk query Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-02-10 08:17 -0500
    Re: Target disk query Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-10 14:04 +0000
    Re: Target disk query dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-02-11 09:03 +1300
      Re: Target disk query Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-02-10 16:04 -0500
        Re: Target disk query Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-10 21:19 +0000
          Re: Target disk query Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-10 18:07 -0800
            Re: Target disk query Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 04:19 +0000
              Re: Target disk query Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-02-11 08:32 -0500
                Re: Target disk query Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 15:09 +0000
                  Re: Target disk query Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-02-11 10:49 -0500
                    Re: Target disk query Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 15:57 +0000
                      Re: Target disk query Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-02-11 13:04 -0500
                        Re: Target disk query Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 18:11 +0000
                        Re: Target disk query Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-11 13:12 -0700
                          Re: Target disk query Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-02-11 18:23 -0500
                        Re: Target disk query Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-11 18:03 -0800
                          Re: Target disk query Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-12 14:15 +0000
                            Re: Target disk query Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-02-12 09:46 -0500
                              Re: Target disk query Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-12 14:52 +0000
                            Re: Target disk query Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-12 14:55 +0000
              Re: Target disk query Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-02-11 17:59 -0800
                Re: Target disk query Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-12 14:13 +0000

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#69647 — Target disk query

What disk is the 'target' if I have multiple disks (in a Mac Pro, say)?

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#69649

On 2015-02-10, Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> What disk is the 'target' if I have multiple disks (in a Mac Pro, say)?

That question makes no sense since "target" may have several definitions. 

If you are trying to ask which disk is the *startup* disk, then you can
take a look at the System Preferences > Startup Disk preference panel to
view or set the startup disk. You can also set the startup disk during
boot by pressing and holding the Option/Alt key after you hear the
startup chime to access the startup volume selection list. Then use the
mouse or keyboard to choose the disk you want to use as a startup
volume.

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#69654

Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:

> What disk is the 'target' if I have multiple disks (in a Mac Pro, say)?

Are you referring to target disk mode (holding down T at startup), via
Firewire or Thunderbolt?

If so, the answer for a Mac Pro is "all of them". The Mac acts as a disk
controller, providing access to all of its internal drives.

It might also provide access to some externally connected disks, but I
haven't experimented with that, and if it does, it would depend on the
interface (e.g. no need to provide access to Firewire drives if the host
is connecting via Firewire, since the host can access them directly).

Early PowerPC Macs with Firewire ports only provided access to the
"primary" internal SATA drive via Target mode. If I remember right,
multi-drive access was a feature of the firmware in later PowerPC
models, probably from around the introduction of the PowerMac G5.

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#69657

In article <1lzo8yj.1a064rzqts3mzN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> It might also provide access to some externally connected disks, but I
> haven't experimented with that, and if it does, it would depend on the
> interface (e.g. no need to provide access to Firewire drives if the host
> is connecting via Firewire, since the host can access them directly).
> 
> Early PowerPC Macs with Firewire ports only provided access to the
> "primary" internal SATA drive via Target mode. If I remember right,
> multi-drive access was a feature of the firmware in later PowerPC
> models, probably from around the introduction of the PowerMac G5.

Thanks! That's exactly the answer I wanted. Now, I know I could have 
just tried it, but I'm nervous about that kind of thing.

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#69661

On 2015-02-10, Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> In article <1lzo8yj.1a064rzqts3mzN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
>  dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
>
>> It might also provide access to some externally connected disks, but I
>> haven't experimented with that, and if it does, it would depend on the
>> interface (e.g. no need to provide access to Firewire drives if the host
>> is connecting via Firewire, since the host can access them directly).
>> 
>> Early PowerPC Macs with Firewire ports only provided access to the
>> "primary" internal SATA drive via Target mode. If I remember right,
>> multi-drive access was a feature of the firmware in later PowerPC
>> models, probably from around the introduction of the PowerMac G5.
>
> Thanks! That's exactly the answer I wanted. Now, I know I could have 
> just tried it, but I'm nervous about that kind of thing.

Next time you should explain more of what you really want in your
initial question rather than leaving us guessing.

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#69677

In article <cjvau7FarplU3@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-02-10, Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> > In article <1lzo8yj.1a064rzqts3mzN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
> >  dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
> >
> >> It might also provide access to some externally connected disks, but I
> >> haven't experimented with that, and if it does, it would depend on the
> >> interface (e.g. no need to provide access to Firewire drives if the host
> >> is connecting via Firewire, since the host can access them directly).
> >> 
> >> Early PowerPC Macs with Firewire ports only provided access to the
> >> "primary" internal SATA drive via Target mode. If I remember right,
> >> multi-drive access was a feature of the firmware in later PowerPC
> >> models, probably from around the introduction of the PowerMac G5.
> >
> > Thanks! That's exactly the answer I wanted. Now, I know I could have 
> > just tried it, but I'm nervous about that kind of thing.
> 
> Next time you should explain more of what you really want in your
> initial question rather than leaving us guessing.

Sorry, JR, but you're the only person who seems to have had any 
difficulty with the concept. It was pretty obvious with about 5 seconds' 
thought. I didn't know and wasn't motivated enough to try to find the 
answer, but Dave did a pretty good job of it with the same information 
you had. But then, neither Dave nor myself were (apparently) looking at 
the message with a "let's see what we can use to club this guy over the 
head with" attitude - Something I've noticed you seeming to be doing 
more and more frequently over the last few months.

Used to be I had a fair amount of respect for you, but lately, that's 
fading. Dunno what's got into you, but it almost looks like you're doing 
your best to pick a fight with somebody. If that's the case... <shrug> 
Different strokes, I guess.

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#69680

On 2015-02-11, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> Sorry, JR, but you're the only person who seems to have had any 
> difficulty with the concept. It was pretty obvious with about 5 seconds' 
> thought. I didn't know and wasn't motivated enough to try to find the 
> answer, but Dave did a pretty good job of it with the same information 
> you had. But then, neither Dave nor myself were (apparently) looking at 
> the message with a "let's see what we can use to club this guy over the 
> head with" attitude - Something I've noticed you seeming to be doing 
> more and more frequently over the last few months.

If so, it's not intentional.

> Used to be I had a fair amount of respect for you, but lately, that's
> fading. Dunno what's got into you, but it almost looks like you're
> doing your best to pick a fight with somebody. If that's the case...
> <shrug> Different strokes, I guess.

Fair enough. I do tend to move quickly; I admit I didn't take as much
time as I could have to think about it before answering. And I suppose I
may be letting the bickering of trolls and so on get to me, which may
boil over into interactions with others here. So I'll try to be more
aware and to do better.

You and the OP have my apologies. And thanks for the criticism, Don.

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#69689

In article <ck03j6Fgi2tU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Fair enough. I do tend to move quickly; I admit I didn't take as much
> time as I could have to think about it before answering. And I suppose I
> may be letting the bickering of trolls and so on get to me, which may
> boil over into interactions with others here. So I'll try to be more
> aware and to do better.
> 
> You and the OP have my apologies. And thanks for the criticism, Don.

Fair enough. I've been around Usenet for a long time, and I have a 
fairly thick skin. I've been around this group for a while too, and you 
can be prickly but usually your contributions are useful.

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out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it 
in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.

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#69692

On 2015-02-11, Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> In article <ck03j6Fgi2tU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Fair enough. I do tend to move quickly; I admit I didn't take as much
>> time as I could have to think about it before answering. And I suppose I
>> may be letting the bickering of trolls and so on get to me, which may
>> boil over into interactions with others here. So I'll try to be more
>> aware and to do better.
>> 
>> You and the OP have my apologies. And thanks for the criticism, Don.
>
> Fair enough. I've been around Usenet for a long time, and I have a 
> fairly thick skin. I've been around this group for a while too, and you 
> can be prickly but usually your contributions are useful.

Thanks for the kind words, Wilbur. I appreciate them, and will try to do
better.

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#69698

In article <ck19lqFpnuqU2@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-02-11, Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> > In article <ck03j6Fgi2tU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Fair enough. I do tend to move quickly; I admit I didn't take as much
> >> time as I could have to think about it before answering. And I suppose I
> >> may be letting the bickering of trolls and so on get to me, which may
> >> boil over into interactions with others here. So I'll try to be more
> >> aware and to do better.
> >> 
> >> You and the OP have my apologies. And thanks for the criticism, Don.
> >
> > Fair enough. I've been around Usenet for a long time, and I have a 
> > fairly thick skin. I've been around this group for a while too, and you 
> > can be prickly but usually your contributions are useful.
> 
> Thanks for the kind words, Wilbur. I appreciate them, and will try to do
> better.

Who are you two, and what did you do with my Usenet? This was supposed 
to devolve into an annoying flame war, so I could put it into my 
killfile. There's no apologies in Usenet!

-- 
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Arlington, MA
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#69701

On 2015-02-11, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <ck19lqFpnuqU2@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-02-11, Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
>> > In article <ck03j6Fgi2tU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Fair enough. I do tend to move quickly; I admit I didn't take as much
>> >> time as I could have to think about it before answering. And I suppose I
>> >> may be letting the bickering of trolls and so on get to me, which may
>> >> boil over into interactions with others here. So I'll try to be more
>> >> aware and to do better.
>> >> 
>> >> You and the OP have my apologies. And thanks for the criticism, Don.
>> >
>> > Fair enough. I've been around Usenet for a long time, and I have a 
>> > fairly thick skin. I've been around this group for a while too, and you 
>> > can be prickly but usually your contributions are useful.
>> 
>> Thanks for the kind words, Wilbur. I appreciate them, and will try to do
>> better.
>
> Who are you two, and what did you do with my Usenet? This was supposed 
> to devolve into an annoying flame war, so I could put it into my 
> killfile. There's no apologies in Usenet!

Just to add a cherry on top (just for you, Barry ; D), I gotta give
props to Wilbur for figuring out a way to use "rucafrukus" in his email
address. Love it! : D

We can now conclude the love fest and get back to normal Usenet
programming. : )

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#69711

In article <ck1cfjFpnuqU7@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Just to add a cherry on top (just for you, Barry ; D), I gotta give
> props to Wilbur for figuring out a way to use "rucafrukus" in his email
> address. Love it! : D

Mixmin won't accept messages that don't end in a valid TLD. I just 
picked a bunch of real ones in a row that won't get me in trouble for 
forging someone's domain. I never thought of it as an acronym. All sorts 
of possibilities there, though.

Marie Calendar's nose ...

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out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it 
in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.

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#69712

On 2015-02-11, Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> In article <ck1cfjFpnuqU7@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Just to add a cherry on top (just for you, Barry ; D), I gotta give
>> props to Wilbur for figuring out a way to use "rucafrukus" in his email
>> address. Love it! : D
>
> Mixmin won't accept messages that don't end in a valid TLD. I just 
> picked a bunch of real ones in a row that won't get me in trouble for 
> forging someone's domain. I never thought of it as an acronym. All sorts 
> of possibilities there, though.
>
> Marie Calendar's nose ...

: )

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#69716

In article <54db999d$0$46436$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>,
Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:

> In article <ck1cfjFpnuqU7@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > Just to add a cherry on top (just for you, Barry ; D), I gotta give
> > props to Wilbur for figuring out a way to use "rucafrukus" in his email
> > address. Love it! : D
> 
> Mixmin won't accept messages that don't end in a valid TLD. I just 
> picked a bunch of real ones in a row that won't get me in trouble for 
> forging someone's domain. I never thought of it as an acronym. All sorts 
> of possibilities there, though.

Nothing to do with this, huh?
<http://compgroups.net/comp.sys.mac.system/apple-got-bitten-4/1952713>

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#69717

In article <110220151312434679%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <54db999d$0$46436$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>,
> Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> 
> > In article <ck1cfjFpnuqU7@mid.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Just to add a cherry on top (just for you, Barry ; D), I gotta give
> > > props to Wilbur for figuring out a way to use "rucafrukus" in his email
> > > address. Love it! : D
> > 
> > Mixmin won't accept messages that don't end in a valid TLD. I just 
> > picked a bunch of real ones in a row that won't get me in trouble for 
> > forging someone's domain. I never thought of it as an acronym. All sorts 
> > of possibilities there, though.
> 
> Nothing to do with this, huh?
> <http://compgroups.net/comp.sys.mac.system/apple-got-bitten-4/1952713>

Still not a big fan of the Frenchies. They're not a race, still, just a 
bunch of white eurotrash who speak a half-dead language. I'd forgotten 
about that stuff. My dad was still a linebacker. I missed the reference 
to rucafrukuser back then.

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Fine then, I'm drinking coffee and rolling cigarettes and looking 
out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it 
in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.

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#69723

In article <54db999d$0$46436$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>,
 Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:

> In article <ck1cfjFpnuqU7@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > Just to add a cherry on top (just for you, Barry ; D), I gotta give
> > props to Wilbur for figuring out a way to use "rucafrukus" in his email
> > address. Love it! : D
> 
> Mixmin won't accept messages that don't end in a valid TLD. 

Will it accept ".invalid"? Which is, unless it's been changed since the 
last time I bothered to look at the RFCs, a valid TLD specifically 
intended to be used in "We want an address that can be resolved, but we 
want anything addressed there to get dumped straight into the 
bit-bucket" situations.

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#69728

On 2015-02-12, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article <54db999d$0$46436$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>,
>  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
>
>> In article <ck1cfjFpnuqU7@mid.individual.net>,
>>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Just to add a cherry on top (just for you, Barry ; D), I gotta give
>> > props to Wilbur for figuring out a way to use "rucafrukus" in his email
>> > address. Love it! : D
>> 
>> Mixmin won't accept messages that don't end in a valid TLD. 
>
> Will it accept ".invalid"? Which is, unless it's been changed since the 
> last time I bothered to look at the RFCs, a valid TLD specifically 
> intended to be used in "We want an address that can be resolved, but we 
> want anything addressed there to get dumped straight into the 
> bit-bucket" situations.

Seems like it should, right? It's actually interesting that it accepts
nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us, since technically that's not a valid
domain at all. : D

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#69730

In article <ck3qrvFfmsdU3@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Seems like it should, right? It's actually interesting that it accepts
> nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us, since technically that's not a valid
> domain at all. : D

You're right that "invalid" is a correct TLD, set up for this kind of 
use. The server would accept that, but it also accepts "us" as a valid 
domain, no matter what comes before it. It won't accept "me@screw.off" 
though, because there is no "off."  I also wouldn't use 
"you_can@screw.me" because, while that's the TLD for Montenegro, I would 
bet that someone has registered that domain. Hmm. "eat@my.sh.it" All 
sorts of possibilities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains

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Fine then, I'm drinking coffee and rolling cigarettes and looking 
out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it 
in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.

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#69731

On 2015-02-12, Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
> In article <ck3qrvFfmsdU3@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Seems like it should, right? It's actually interesting that it accepts
>> nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us, since technically that's not a valid
>> domain at all. : D
>
> You're right that "invalid" is a correct TLD, set up for this kind of
> use. The server would accept that, but it also accepts "us" as a valid
> domain, no matter what comes before it. It won't accept "me@screw.off"
> though, because there is no "off."  

Ah, so it only checks the TLD. That makes sense. : )

> I also wouldn't use "you_can@screw.me" because, while that's the TLD
> for Montenegro, I would bet that someone has registered that domain.
> Hmm. "eat@my.sh.it" All sorts of possibilities.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains

Indeed. : D

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#69733

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like:
> On 2015-02-12, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
>> In article <54db999d$0$46436$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>,
>>  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <ck1cfjFpnuqU7@mid.individual.net>,
>>>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Just to add a cherry on top (just for you, Barry ; D), I gotta give
>>> > props to Wilbur for figuring out a way to use "rucafrukus" in his email
>>> > address. Love it! : D
>>> 
>>> Mixmin won't accept messages that don't end in a valid TLD. 
>>
>> Will it accept ".invalid"? Which is, unless it's been changed since the 
>> last time I bothered to look at the RFCs, a valid TLD specifically 
>> intended to be used in "We want an address that can be resolved, but we 
>> want anything addressed there to get dumped straight into the 
>> bit-bucket" situations.

> Seems like it should, right? It's actually interesting that it accepts
> nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us, since technically that's not a valid
> domain at all. : D

There's nothing inherently invalid about it. Whoever controls uk.us
(Neustar, Inc) could certainly create 'nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us'.

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