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| Started by | Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it> |
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| First post | 2013-10-24 10:25 +0200 |
| Last post | 2013-11-01 19:22 +0100 |
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Multiple Mavericks... a pity Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it> - 2013-10-24 10:25 +0200
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-24 04:33 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-10-24 01:46 -0700
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it> - 2013-10-24 11:30 +0200
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-25 00:04 +1300
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2013-10-25 10:30 -0500
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-24 13:30 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2013-10-25 13:50 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 14:49 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-25 15:35 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-10-25 21:49 +0200
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 16:56 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-24 17:04 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-24 18:26 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-24 22:25 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-24 23:09 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-25 16:15 +1300
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 16:38 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-25 18:20 -0700
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 21:37 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-10-25 03:02 -0700
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 16:40 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 20:16 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 20:55 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-26 14:13 +1300
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 21:37 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:10 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-25 21:31 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 21:37 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-26 15:11 +1300
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 12:16 +0200
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-26 14:19 +0000
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:20 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-04 08:04 -0800
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:18 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-26 10:42 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 11:05 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-27 10:00 +1300
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:09 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-26 20:31 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-27 14:05 +1300
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:12 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 21:37 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:16 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 23:44 +0200
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:19 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-26 20:21 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:37 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-26 02:36 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:19 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-26 14:17 +0000
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:29 -0400
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-01 16:14 +0100
Re: Multiple Mavericks... a pity Ned Mantei <ned.mantei@biol.ethz.ch> - 2013-11-01 19:22 +0100
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| From | Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 10:25 +0200 |
| Subject | Multiple Mavericks... a pity |
| Message-ID | <m27gd3oz2c.fsf@pd.infn.it> |
Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB". But this is _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble. I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have to wait seven hours and a half. My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please, make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN. I think that that would be a clean and easy solution. -- (@_ | Maurizio Loreti //\ | V_/_ | EMail/ROT13: Znhevmvb.Ybergv@tznvy.pbz
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 04:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <241020130433270894%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #50519 |
In article <m27gd3oz2c.fsf@pd.infn.it>, Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it> wrote: > Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the > estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the > download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB". But this is > _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble. > > I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a > friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have > to wait seven hours and a half. > > My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please, > make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an > installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then > quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN. I > think that that would be a clean and easy solution. download it once, the copy the app to the other macs.
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| From | rcp27g@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 01:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2090f919-fa96-4f5c-b33a-54fef393b3fd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #50519 |
On Thursday, 24 October 2013 10:25:31 UTC+2, Maurizio Loreti wrote: > Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the > estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the > download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB". But this is > _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble. > > I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a > friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have > to wait seven hours and a half. > > My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please, > make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an > installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then > quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN. I > think that that would be a clean and easy solution. The installer you download from the App Store is just a regular .app. Once it is finished downloading, quit the process that auto-launches (cmd-Q). The installer .app can then be copied (from the Applications folder) to wherever you want, to any number of macs (just drop it in the Applications folder on the destination mac), and used there, with no further downloading reuqired. I just upgraded three macs last night, and my backup HD now has the installer .apps for Lion, Moutain Lion and Mavericks on it, with only a single download. Robin Robin
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| From | Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 11:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m27gd3uib4.fsf@pd.infn.it> |
| In reply to | #50522 |
rcp27g@gmail.com writes: > The installer you download from the App Store is just a regular .app. > Once it is finished downloading, quit the process that auto-launches > (cmd-Q). The installer .app can then be copied (from the Applications > folder) to wherever you want, to any number of macs (just drop it in > the Applications folder on the destination mac), and used there, with > no further downloading reuqired. Thank you - just I didn't know that. -- (@_ | Maurizio Loreti //\ | V_/_ | EMail/ROT13: Znhevmvb.Ybergv@tznvy.pbz
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 00:04 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1lb9rxk.aorr1v1kbe28mN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #50522 |
<rcp27g@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thursday, 24 October 2013 10:25:31 UTC+2, Maurizio Loreti wrote: > > Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the > > estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the > > download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB". But this is > > _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble. > > > > I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a > > friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have > > to wait seven hours and a half. > > > > My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please, > > make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an > > installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then > > quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN. I > > think that that would be a clean and easy solution. > > The installer you download from the App Store is just a regular .app. > Once it is finished downloading, quit the process that auto-launches > (cmd-Q). The installer .app can then be copied (from the Applications > folder) to wherever you want, to any number of macs (just drop it in the > Applications folder on the destination mac), and used there, with no > further downloading reuqired. I just upgraded three macs last night, and > my backup HD now has the installer .apps for Lion, Moutain Lion and > Mavericks on it, with only a single download. An important footnote to that: if you do intend to keep a copy, make sure it is outside the Applications folder when run to do the install (or make sure you keep another copy on an external volume). If an OS X installer application is run from the /Applications folder (its default download location), it will be deleted automatically after OS X is installed. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 10:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Us-dnUbkrKA9E_fPnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #50522 |
rcp27g@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 October 2013 10:25:31 UTC+2, Maurizio Loreti wrote:
> > Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the
> > estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the
> > download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB". But this is
> > _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble.
> >
> > I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a
> > friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have
> > to wait seven hours and a half.
> >
> > My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please,
> > make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an
> > installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then
> > quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN. I
> > think that that would be a clean and easy solution.
> The installer you download from the App Store is just a regular .app. Once it is finished downloading, quit the process that auto-launches (cmd-Q). The installer .app can then be copied (from the Applications folder) to wherever you want, to any number of macs (just drop it in the Applications folder on the destination mac), and used there, with no further downloading reuqired. I just upgraded three macs last night, and my backup HD now has the installer .apps for Lion, Moutain Lion and Mavericks on it, with only a single download.
However, the downloaded app has your Apple ID account data. So, don't
share with other people.
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 13:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fmoore-FD3C65.13305324102013@mx05.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #50519 |
In article <m27gd3oz2c.fsf@pd.infn.it>, Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it> wrote: > Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the > estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the > download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB". But this is > _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble. > > I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a > friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have > to wait seven hours and a half. > > My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please, > make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an > installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then > quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN. I > think that that would be a clean and easy solution. This might be helpful: How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive <http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks -install-drive.html>
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| From | John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 13:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <526aaf7e$0$1278$862e30e2@ngroups.net> |
| In reply to | #50545 |
On 10/24/13 1:30 PM, Fred Moore wrote: > This might be helpful: > > How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive > <http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks > -install-drive.html> Just an aside, and I know I'll be razzed for even suggesting it. There was a time when you received the new OS on a bootable DVD. Just put it into the DVD drive, restart, and shaazzammm! You'd be all booted up, just like that, no 30-step operation to do beforehand. It ain't easy like that no mo'. Yes, I realize that Macs don't have DVD drives anymore. I remember serial ports and SCSI ports and ADB ports. Times change. But there's no reason why Apple couldn't make the OS installer available on DVD format, for those who care to use it that way. Having the "hard copy" DVD makes reinstallation easy enough as well (provided you safeguard the DVD). USB3 flashdrives are cheap, and just about all modern Macs have them, do they not? Apple could issue a bootable USB flashdrive version as well (as they have done before). I believe quite a few users would be willing to pony up a modest amount (say, $20) for a "hard copy" bootable version of the OS. This could become "easy revenue" earners at the Apple stores. Booting and installing from a DVD or flashdrive just makes things much easier.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 14:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <251020131449457757%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #50678 |
In article <526aaf7e$0$1278$862e30e2@ngroups.net>, John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote: > Just an aside, and I know I'll be razzed for even suggesting it. > > There was a time when you received the new OS on a bootable DVD. there was a time when it was on a floppy too. > Just put it into the DVD drive, restart, and shaazzammm! > You'd be all booted up, just like that, no 30-step operation > to do beforehand. > > It ain't easy like that no mo'. what 30 step operation? click update and it updates. that's much easier than putting a disc in the drive and holding down the proper key to boot from it. > Yes, I realize that Macs don't have DVD drives anymore. I > remember serial ports and SCSI ports and ADB ports. Times > change. they do change, and have. physical media as a distribution mechanism is dead, which is why it's no longer distributed that way. everything is available online now, with the rare app on disc because it's huge (multiple dvds) or some vertical market system. > But there's no reason why Apple couldn't make the OS > installer available on DVD format, for those who care to use > it that way. Having the "hard copy" DVD makes reinstallation > easy enough as well (provided you safeguard the DVD). yes there is. it's not worth the bother. most people installed the system and that's the end of that. they never use the disc again. if their hard drive fails, they restore it from a backup. > USB3 flashdrives are cheap, and just about all modern Macs > have them, do they not? Apple could issue a bootable USB > flashdrive version as well (as they have done before). apple offered lion on usb sticks. very few people bought it that way, so they didn't bother making a usb stick for mountain lion. no point in making something nobody buys. > I believe quite a few users would be willing to pony up a > modest amount (say, $20) for a "hard copy" bootable version > of the OS. This could become "easy revenue" earners at the > Apple stores. you believe wrong. not enough wanted lion on usb to bother making it for mountain lion. the little revenue they did get didn't offset the cost of manufacturing and distributing it. > Booting and installing from a DVD or flashdrive just makes > things much easier. no it doesn't. it doesn't get any easier than clicking update and then letting it do its thing. and you don't have to stand in line at the apple store to get a copy either.
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 15:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fmoore-AD0469.15350325102013@mx05.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #50678 |
In article <526aaf7e$0$1278$862e30e2@ngroups.net>, John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote: > On 10/24/13 1:30 PM, Fred Moore wrote: > > This might be helpful: > > > > How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive > > <http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks > > -install-drive.html> > > Just an aside, and I know I'll be razzed for even suggesting it. > > There was a time when you received the new OS on a bootable DVD. > > Just put it into the DVD drive, restart, and shaazzammm! > You'd be all booted up, just like that, no 30-step operation > to do beforehand. > > It ain't easy like that no mo'. > > Yes, I realize that Macs don't have DVD drives anymore. I > remember serial ports and SCSI ports and ADB ports. Times > change. > > But there's no reason why Apple couldn't make the OS > installer available on DVD format, for those who care to use > it that way. Having the "hard copy" DVD makes reinstallation > easy enough as well (provided you safeguard the DVD). I can but presume that Apple's response would be that as long as you have an internet connection you can install OS 10 on a Mac where the one and only hard drive is completely blank. Of course the 'if you have an internet connection' condition is indeed a deal breaker for many. > USB3 flashdrives are cheap, and just about all modern Macs > have them, do they not? Apple could issue a bootable USB > flashdrive version as well (as they have done before). > > I believe quite a few users would be willing to pony up a > modest amount (say, $20) for a "hard copy" bootable version > of the OS. This could become "easy revenue" earners at the > Apple stores. > > Booting and installing from a DVD or flashdrive just makes > things much easier. Personally, my option is for the USB drive. Faster and updatable.
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| From | bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 21:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <l4ehvq$tfn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #50678 |
On 2013-10-25 17:50:54 +0000, John Albert said: > On 10/24/13 1:30 PM, Fred Moore wrote: >> This might be helpful: >> >> How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive >> <http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks >> -install-drive.html> > > Just an aside, and I know I'll be razzed for even suggesting it. > > There was a time when you received the new OS on a bootable DVD. > > Just put it into the DVD drive, restart, and shaazzammm! You'd be all > booted up, just like that, no 30-step operation to do beforehand. > > It ain't easy like that no mo'. > > Yes, I realize that Macs don't have DVD drives anymore. I remember > serial ports and SCSI ports and ADB ports. Times change. There was also a time when OSs came on stacks of floppy disks. Indeed, times do change. > But there's no reason why Apple couldn't make the OS installer > available on DVD format, for those who care to use it that way. Having > the "hard copy" DVD makes reinstallation easy enough as well (provided > you safeguard the DVD). > > USB3 flashdrives are cheap, and just about all modern Macs have them, > do they not? Apple could issue a bootable USB flashdrive version as > well (as they have done before). I think this is the point. When Lion went live, Apple were concerned that there would genuinely be people for whom this mode of installation was important, and provided media as you suggest. I expect the reason fro ML and Mavericks this was not offered was almost certainly down to how well those devices actually sold when offered. > I believe quite a few users would be willing to pony up a modest amount > (say, $20) for a "hard copy" bootable version of the OS. This could > become "easy revenue" earners at the Apple stores. > > Booting and installing from a DVD or flashdrive just makes things much easier. When I looked at how to instal to multiple macs from a single download, I found relatively clear instructions of how to create a bootable flash drive from the downloaded installer. The question I would have to ask is who would actually buy such a thing? Apple hasn't exactly prevented people from making one from the installer. There are some non-computer people who wouldn't dare use one if they had one even if they had it. There are people who want one, and have no trouble making their own from the downloaded installer. There might be a few people who fall into the gap between these two categories, but I just don't see that there are very many of them. Robin
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 16:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_ImdnZZV9-qHRvfPnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #50678 |
On 2013.10.25, 13:50 , John Albert wrote:
> I believe quite a few users would be willing to pony up a modest amount
> (say, $20) for a "hard copy" bootable version of the OS. This could
> become "easy revenue" earners at the Apple stores.
Apple made flashdrives (USB dongles) available for Lion, but not
Mountain Lion. The price was about $70 IIRC (incl. the Lion license).
End of story. No more physical media.
That said, after DL I simply make a bootable CF card with each new major
version and keep it handy for a few months after the DL (also keep the
install file on external spinners).
--
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-Ambrose Bierce
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 17:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <foSdnRRM_dn5FvTPnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #50519 |
On 2013.10.24, 04:25 , Maurizio Loreti wrote:
> Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the
> estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the
> download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB". But this is
> _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble.
>
> I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a
> friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have
> to wait seven hours and a half.
>
> My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please,
> make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an
> installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then
> quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN. I
> think that that would be a clean and easy solution.
Apple have the installer app (containing the new OS) erase after
install. It's really dumb. It's not necessary. If it were copied to a
folder somewhere it would make more sense.
But as others point out, you simply stop the install after the download,
make an off system copy and also copy it to other computers.
I also made an install "disk" on USB flash "just in case" I need a
convenient, bootable installer using Disk Utility. See my other post
for the "how".
--
"Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
-Ambrose Bierce
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 18:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <241020131826090242%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #50573 |
In article <foSdnRRM_dn5FvTPnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > Apple have the installer app (containing the new OS) erase after > install. It's really dumb. It's not necessary. If it were copied to a > folder somewhere it would make more sense. no need to keep it. those who want to use it for other systems can make a copy before its deleted. most people have no need to keep it around beyond the install.
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 22:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l4ckq3$vf8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #50588 |
On 10-24-2013, 18:26, nospam wrote:
> In article <foSdnRRM_dn5FvTPnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Apple have the installer app (containing the new OS) erase after
>> install. It's really dumb. It's not necessary. If it were copied to a
>> folder somewhere it would make more sense.
>
> no need to keep it.
>
> those who want to use it for other systems can make a copy before its
> deleted. most people have no need to keep it around beyond the install.
1. Interrupt the install, relocate the image.
2. Do the install, manually delete if you want to.
(2) is easy for almost everyone. (1) is a challenge for some people and
more work than (2) for anyone.
So seems to me that (2) is the better choice on the average.
Best of all:
3. At the end of install, a pop-up
"Install successful. Delete installer?"
--
Wes Groleau
A UNIX signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent
of a black velvet clown painting. It's a rectangle of carets
surrounding a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like
Heinlein or Dr. Who.
— Chris Maeda
Ha, ha, Dr. ..... Who's Chris Maeda?
— Wes Groleau
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 23:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <241020132309038685%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #50621 |
In article <l4ckq3$vf8$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > >> Apple have the installer app (containing the new OS) erase after > >> install. It's really dumb. It's not necessary. If it were copied to a > >> folder somewhere it would make more sense. > > > > no need to keep it. > > > > those who want to use it for other systems can make a copy before its > > deleted. most people have no need to keep it around beyond the install. > > 1. Interrupt the install, relocate the image. > > 2. Do the install, manually delete if you want to. > > (2) is easy for almost everyone. (1) is a challenge for some people and > more work than (2) for anyone. > > So seems to me that (2) is the better choice on the average. most people have no need to have the installer beyond the installation. it also works like every other upgrade. apple aims for the masses, not the power user. those who need to keep it for additional installs know what to do.
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 16:15 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1lbb0z1.4thkp31cp3izvN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #50626 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <l4ckq3$vf8$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau > <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > > > >> Apple have the installer app (containing the new OS) erase after > > >> install. It's really dumb. It's not necessary. If it were copied to a > > >> folder somewhere it would make more sense. > > > > > > no need to keep it. > > > > > > those who want to use it for other systems can make a copy before its > > > deleted. most people have no need to keep it around beyond the install. > > > > 1. Interrupt the install, relocate the image. > > > > 2. Do the install, manually delete if you want to. > > > > (2) is easy for almost everyone. (1) is a challenge for some people and > > more work than (2) for anyone. > > > > So seems to me that (2) is the better choice on the average. > > most people have no need to have the installer beyond the installation. > > it also works like every other upgrade. > > apple aims for the masses, not the power user. those who need to keep > it for additional installs know what to do. I think Apple could make it more obvious for the huge number of users who still have no idea how to navigate the file system using the Finder, and those who simply never happened to look inside their Applications folder while an install is taking place and notice that's where the installer is kept for the duration, by moving the installer to the Trash afterwards, instead of deleting outright. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 16:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ic2dnUnIGo5XS_fPnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #50628 |
On 2013.10.24, 23:15 , Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> I think Apple could make it more obvious for the huge number of users
> who still have no idea how to navigate the file system using the Finder,
> and those who simply never happened to look inside their Applications
> folder while an install is taking place and notice that's where the
> installer is kept for the duration, by moving the installer to the Trash
> afterwards, instead of deleting outright.
That would be better than the present method, to be sure.
Just moving it to an "installs" folder would be better.
As it is, even making an installer disk or USB-flash is a little harder
than for L/ML. (See my other post).
--
"Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
-Ambrose Bierce
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 18:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <l4f5cq$t3g$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #50626 |
On 2013-10-25 03:09:03 +0000, nospam said: >> > > most people have no need to have the installer beyond the installation. It could maybe *ask* if you want to delete it or keep it? Would that have been so hard? > > apple aims for the masses, not the power user. those who need to keep > it for additional installs know what to do. The masses could say "ok" and the power users could say "no". Automatically deleting without asking is just flat out unfriendly.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 21:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <251020132137386126%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #50730 |
In article <l4f5cq$t3g$1@reader1.panix.com>, Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote: > > most people have no need to have the installer beyond the installation. > > It could maybe *ask* if you want to delete it or keep it? Would that have > been so hard? > > > > apple aims for the masses, not the power user. those who need to keep > > it for additional installs know what to do. > > The masses could say "ok" and the power users could say "no". why bother asking when nearly everyone will say yes? power users know how to make a copy.
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