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ot - snowden, the short version

Started by"M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com>
First post2015-04-06 17:16 -0400
Last post2015-04-07 10:29 -0700
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  ot - snowden, the short version "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-04-06 17:16 -0400
    Re: ot - snowden, the short version Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-06 20:50 -0400
      Re: ot - snowden, the short version Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2015-04-06 20:13 -0700
      Re: ot - snowden, the short version Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2015-04-06 20:14 -0700
        Re: ot - snowden, the short version dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-07 15:52 +1000
      Re: ot - snowden, the short version dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-07 15:51 +1000
      Re: ot - snowden, the short version befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2015-04-07 14:47 +0200
      Re: ot - snowden, the short version Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 09:37 -0400
        Re: ot - snowden, the short version JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-07 13:20 -0400
          Re: ot - snowden, the short version nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-07 13:27 -0400
            Re: ot - snowden, the short version JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-07 15:46 -0400
              Re: ot - snowden, the short version J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2015-04-07 16:25 -0400
                Re: ot - snowden, the short version JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-07 17:35 -0400
                  Re: ot - snowden, the short version J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2015-04-07 20:13 -0400
              Re: ot - snowden, the short version Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-07 18:58 -0400
          Re: ot - snowden, the short version Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2015-04-08 03:11 +0000
            Re: ot - snowden, the short version nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-07 23:34 -0400
            Re: ot - snowden, the short version JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-07 23:56 -0400
              Re: ot - snowden, the short version befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2015-04-08 09:31 +0200
              Re: ot - snowden, the short version Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2015-04-08 12:51 +0000
            Re: ot - snowden, the short version Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-08 10:27 -0400
              Re: ot - snowden, the short version nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-08 10:49 -0400
                Re: ot - snowden, the short version Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-08 15:59 +0000
                  Re: ot - snowden, the short version Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-08 08:37 -0700
                    Re: ot - snowden, the short version Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-08 14:12 -0400
                Re: ot - snowden, the short version Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-08 11:19 -0400
                  Re: ot - snowden, the short version nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-08 11:47 -0400
                    Re: ot - snowden, the short version Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-08 12:57 -0400
                      Re: ot - snowden, the short version Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-08 18:09 +0000
                        Re: ot - snowden, the short version Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-08 13:56 -0400
                          Re: ot - snowden, the short version Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-08 19:02 +0000
                            Re: ot - snowden, the short version Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-08 16:50 -0400
                              Re: ot - snowden, the short version Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-08 22:00 +0000
                                Re: ot - snowden, the short version Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-08 19:56 -0400
                        Re: ot - snowden, the short version Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-08 21:14 -0400
                          Re: ot - snowden, the short version JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-08 21:32 -0400
                      Re: ot - snowden, the short version "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-04-08 14:11 -0400
                      Re: ot - snowden, the short version nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-08 14:24 -0400
                        Re: ot - snowden, the short version Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-08 16:57 -0400
                      Re: ot - snowden, the short version JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-08 15:35 -0400
                        Re: ot - snowden, the short version Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 10:37 +0000
                      Re: ot - snowden, the short version Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-08 21:25 -0400
                        Re: ot - snowden, the short version JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-08 21:45 -0400
                          Re: ot - snowden, the short version befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2015-04-09 09:26 +0200
                          Re: ot - snowden, the short version Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 12:44 +0000
                        Re: ot - snowden, the short version nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 10:06 -0400
                    Re: ot - snowden, the short version JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-08 15:25 -0400
                  Re: ot - snowden, the short version Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-04-08 17:57 +0200
                  Re: ot - snowden, the short version Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-08 19:05 +0000
                    Re: ot - snowden, the short version Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-08 21:49 +0000
                      Re: ot - snowden, the short version Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 10:33 +0000
                        Re: ot - snowden, the short version Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-09 13:23 +0100
                          Re: ot - snowden, the short version Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 12:46 +0000
                Re: ot - snowden, the short version JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-08 11:23 -0400
                  Re: ot - snowden, the short version Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-08 16:32 +0000
                    Re: ot - snowden, the short version Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-08 08:46 -0700
                      Re: ot - snowden, the short version Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-08 18:08 +0000
                        Re: ot - snowden, the short version Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-08 14:09 -0400
                          Re: ot - snowden, the short version JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-08 15:52 -0400
                            Re: ot - snowden, the short version Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-08 16:46 -0400
                              Re: ot - snowden, the short version Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-04-08 17:57 -0400
                        Re: ot - snowden, the short version Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-08 20:05 -0700
      Re: ot - snowden, the short version "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-04-07 11:30 -0400
      Re: ot - snowden, the short version Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-04-07 10:29 -0700

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#72888

FromFred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org>
Date2015-04-08 17:57 -0400
Message-ID<mg486r$77c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72879
On 4/8/15 4:46 p, Warren Oates wrote:
> In article <552586ee$0$1576$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com>,
> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> the Queen of Canada  Miss Elizabeth Windsor
>
> That'd be Mrs. Elizabeth Mountbatten to you.

You're sure that's not Großmutter Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld?

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#72904

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2015-04-08 20:05 -0700
Message-ID<080420152005363328%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#72859
In article <080420151808031481%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <080420150846197823%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> >In article <080420151632363024%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> ><timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >Government passes a law that enables/mandates the NSA to collect all
> >> >dick pics on the internet.  The NSA then lawfully collects dick pics. It
> >> >isn't breaking the law.
> >> 
> >> Actually the government doesn't pass a law. The legislature does - in
> >> this case the US Congress passes a law which relates to the US and
> >> nowhere else.
> >
> >In the USA, both houses of congress must pass the bill, and the
> >president must sign it for it to become a law.
> 
> OK so the King has to give it Royal Assent. No different from here.

But if the president vetoes it, Congress can still override the veto.

> It's still the legislature that decides on the content of the bill.

Ultimately, yes; however, the president can propose legislation to a
member of congress, who can then introduce it.

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#72791

From"M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com>
Date2015-04-07 11:30 -0400
Message-ID<mg0t4t$8ch$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72751
On 4/6/15 8:50 PM, Davoud wrote:
> M. John Matlaw:
>
>> Still recommending Citizenfour*  but John Oliver has an interview with
>> him...
>
> Whatever the merits of John Oliver's argument, Edward Snowden is a
> traitor, a liar, a coward, and a defector.
>
That can't be right.  He has (or had) a statue in Brooklyn.
<http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/04/06/edward-snowden-statue-illegally-placed-in-nyc-park/25371797/> 

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#72800

FromElectric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid>
Date2015-04-07 10:29 -0700
Message-ID<mg146j$s79$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72751
On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 20:50:57 -0400
Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> Whatever the merits of John Oliver's argument, Edward Snowden is a
> traitor, a liar, a coward, and a defector.

your position certainly tells us a lot about you













 


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