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Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS :(

Started byLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
First post2014-07-26 12:00 -0500
Last post2014-07-29 00:54 +0000
Articles 20 on this page of 465 — 30 participants

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  Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-26 12:00 -0500
    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-26 12:34 -0500
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-26 13:11 -0500
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-27 10:45 +1200
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-26 18:01 -0500
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-27 11:03 -0400
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-27 11:27 -0500
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-27 14:10 -0400
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-27 13:21 -0500
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-27 16:44 -0400
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-27 14:46 -0400
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-27 19:09 +0000
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-27 10:40 +1200
    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-26 20:06 +0000
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-26 15:04 -0700
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-27 00:41 +0000
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-26 23:17 -0400
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-28 13:12 +0200
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-26 23:52 -0700
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-26 22:03 -0500
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-27 04:18 +0000
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-27 13:45 -0400
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-27 18:14 +0000
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-27 13:20 -0500
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-27 19:08 +0000
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-29 00:57 +0000
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-28 15:46 -0700
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-28 20:02 -0400
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-29 01:06 +0000
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 01:26 +0000
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-28 22:01 -0700
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-29 11:46 -0400
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 10:18 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-29 21:13 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 19:11 -0700
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-31 01:47 -0400
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 06:51 -0700
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-31 08:55 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 20:17 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-08-01 22:52 -0400
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-31 12:37 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-31 09:40 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-31 13:18 -0400
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 11:05 -0700
                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 18:23 +0000
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 11:35 -0700
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 18:55 +0000
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-02 01:26 +0000
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 16:59 +0000
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-31 21:46 +0000
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-31 18:38 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 16:03 +0000
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 16:12 +0000
                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-08-01 17:51 +0000
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 18:22 +0000
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-08-01 12:35 -0700
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-08-02 01:31 +0000
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-08-11 18:38 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-31 14:35 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-31 23:33 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 20:20 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 16:02 +0000
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-28 22:30 -0400
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-28 22:04 -0700
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 02:13 -0400
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 07:56 -0700
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-07-29 10:39 -0400
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 10:58 -0400
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-07-29 13:39 -0400
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-29 10:57 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 18:17 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 14:56 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-29 22:15 +0100
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 19:33 -0400
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-30 09:36 +1000
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-08-04 14:01 +0200
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-04 11:32 -0400
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 19:09 -0700
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-07-29 21:49 -0500
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 22:11 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-07-29 23:10 -0400
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 08:05 -0700
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-07-29 13:34 -0400
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 11:10 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 14:56 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-07-29 23:12 -0400
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-30 16:07 +1200
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-30 00:10 -0400
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-30 01:59 +0000
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 09:32 -0400
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-29 13:39 +0000
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 15:10 +0000
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-30 01:51 +0000
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 11:37 -0400
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 14:56 -0400
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-29 14:11 -0500
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 15:14 -0400
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-29 14:48 -0500
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 23:20 +0000
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 19:33 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-30 00:19 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-29 14:48 -0500
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 15:58 -0400
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 17:21 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 19:33 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-30 13:36 +1200
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-29 20:38 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 17:18 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-30 09:21 +1000
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-30 09:37 +1000
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 19:33 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-30 13:33 +1200
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-30 01:55 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-30 00:10 -0400
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 09:23 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 13:27 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 11:30 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-30 10:34 -0700
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 16:30 -0400
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-30 13:37 -0700
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 17:10 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-30 22:05 +0000
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-30 23:16 +0100
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-31 02:09 +0000
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-30 17:56 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 09:29 -0400
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 06:56 -0700
                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 11:25 -0400
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-31 16:31 +0100
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 12:17 -0400
                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-31 14:39 -0700
                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 03:01 -0400
                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 15:51 +0000
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 19:18 -0700
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 03:31 -0400
                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:25 -0700
                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 11:33 -0400
                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 11:52 -0700
                                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-01 14:56 -0400
                                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 12:01 -0700
                                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-01 15:13 -0400
                                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 12:22 -0700
                                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-01 15:42 -0400
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 12:49 -0700
                                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-08-01 23:09 -0400
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-02 03:17 +0000
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 03:53 -0400
                                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 01:13 -0700
                                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:29 -0400
                                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 15:55 -0400
                                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 13:08 -0700
                                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 16:53 -0400
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-01 16:00 -0500
                                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 14:04 -0700
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 14:04 -0700
                                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 03:56 -0400
                                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 01:14 -0700
                                                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:32 -0400
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-02 01:29 +0000
                                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:03 -0400
                                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-08-02 01:36 +0000
                                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 17:25 -0700
                                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 17:22 -0700
                                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:05 -0400
                                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-08-02 01:23 +0000
                                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:08 -0400
                                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 01:17 -0700
                                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:33 -0400
                                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 09:25 -0700
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 13:30 -0400
                                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 10:38 -0700
                                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 13:46 -0400
                                                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 10:51 -0700
                                                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 13:57 -0400
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                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-29 10:58 -0500
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 15:06 +0000
    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-26 13:30 -0700
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-07-26 21:11 +0000
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              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-27 10:01 -0500
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                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-27 12:16 -0500
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                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-27 22:49 -0700
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                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-27 20:36 -0400
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                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-27 23:14 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-28 21:32 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-28 19:51 -0700
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 14:53 +0000
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-29 08:44 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 18:00 +0000
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-29 11:16 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-28 21:22 +0000
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                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-30 08:47 +1200
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              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-28 12:58 +0200
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-26 22:53 -0400
    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-26 20:25 -0700
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-27 17:00 +1200
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        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-27 13:27 -0500
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#62797

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-08-01 15:13 -0400
Message-ID<010820141513440109%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#62795
In article <lrgo5r$5vm$3@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> >>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
> >>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
> >>>> 
> >>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
> >>>> 
> >>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
> >>> 
> >>> The shadow knows.
> >>> 
> >>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
> >> 
> >> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
> >> is WRONG.
> >> 
> >> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
> > 
> > yes they are.
> 
> No, they are not.

yes, they absolutely are the same. 

> >> (FPP, go use one of those "useless" tools that come with Mac OS X and
> >> see for yourself: DigitalColor Meter; you can't erase that, either.)
> > 
> > digitalcolor meter says {120,120,120} for both.
> 
> Look further. The entire B square is {120,120,120}, but only one corner 
> of the A square is that colour.

nope. the entire a and b squares are *identical* rgb  {120,120,120}.

the only area that isn't are letter markings, which obviously would
have to be different or you would not be able to know which was which.

make sure you are sampling a small enough sample, as in one pixel, to
not include the letters, the neighboring cells or the anti-aliasing of
the borders.

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#62798

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2014-08-01 12:22 -0700
Message-ID<lrgpdp$8jr$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#62797
On 2014-08-01 19:13:44 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <lrgo5r$5vm$3@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>>>> 
>>>>> The shadow knows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>>>> 
>>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>>>> is WRONG.
>>>> 
>>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
>>> 
>>> yes they are.
>> 
>> No, they are not.
> 
> yes, they absolutely are the same.

You are, alas, incorrect.

Put the DigitalColour Meter cursor in the uppermost corner of the A 
square: it reads as low as {101,101,101}

> 
>>>> (FPP, go use one of those "useless" tools that come with Mac OS X and
>>>> see for yourself: DigitalColor Meter; you can't erase that, either.)
>>> 
>>> digitalcolor meter says {120,120,120} for both.
>> 
>> Look further. The entire B square is {120,120,120}, but only one corner
>> of the A square is that colour.
> 
> nope. the entire a and b squares are *identical* rgb  {120,120,120}.
> 
> the only area that isn't are letter markings, which obviously would
> have to be different or you would not be able to know which was which.
> 
> make sure you are sampling a small enough sample, as in one pixel, to
> not include the letters, the neighboring cells or the anti-aliasing of
> the borders.

I've been at this a long time, and I am using a one pixel sample, and 
at least 5-6 pixels away from the edge of the square.

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#62801

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-08-01 15:42 -0400
Message-ID<010820141542363969%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#62798
In article <lrgpdp$8jr$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> >>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
> >>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> The shadow knows.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
> >>>> 
> >>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
> >>>> is WRONG.
> >>>> 
> >>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
> >>> 
> >>> yes they are.
> >> 
> >> No, they are not.
> > 
> > yes, they absolutely are the same.
> 
> You are, alas, incorrect.

nope. they are *identical*. 

> Put the DigitalColour Meter cursor in the uppermost corner of the A 
> square: it reads as low as {101,101,101}

it's {120,120,120} in the entire square.

the uppermost corner has some jpeg artifacting, which is throwing off
your reading. 

read the middle of the square, away from any interference.

> >>>> (FPP, go use one of those "useless" tools that come with Mac OS X and
> >>>> see for yourself: DigitalColor Meter; you can't erase that, either.)
> >>> 
> >>> digitalcolor meter says {120,120,120} for both.
> >> 
> >> Look further. The entire B square is {120,120,120}, but only one corner
> >> of the A square is that colour.
> > 
> > nope. the entire a and b squares are *identical* rgb  {120,120,120}.
> > 
> > the only area that isn't are letter markings, which obviously would
> > have to be different or you would not be able to know which was which.
> > 
> > make sure you are sampling a small enough sample, as in one pixel, to
> > not include the letters, the neighboring cells or the anti-aliasing of
> > the borders.
> 
> I've been at this a long time, and I am using a one pixel sample, and 
> at least 5-6 pixels away from the edge of the square.

it's being thrown off by something.

put the cursor in the middle, away from the letter markings and
borders. 

it's {120,120,120} on both. period.

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#62802

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2014-08-01 12:49 -0700
Message-ID<lrgr0p$b0m$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#62801
On 2014-08-01 19:42:36 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <lrgpdp$8jr$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The shadow knows.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>>>>>> is WRONG.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
>>>>> 
>>>>> yes they are.
>>>> 
>>>> No, they are not.
>>> 
>>> yes, they absolutely are the same.
>> 
>> You are, alas, incorrect.
> 
> nope. they are *identical*.
> 
>> Put the DigitalColour Meter cursor in the uppermost corner of the A
>> square: it reads as low as {101,101,101}
> 
> it's {120,120,120} in the entire square.
> 
> the uppermost corner has some jpeg artifacting, which is throwing off
> your reading.
> 
> read the middle of the square, away from any interference.
> 
>>>>>> (FPP, go use one of those "useless" tools that come with Mac OS X and
>>>>>> see for yourself: DigitalColor Meter; you can't erase that, either.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> digitalcolor meter says {120,120,120} for both.
>>>> 
>>>> Look further. The entire B square is {120,120,120}, but only one corner
>>>> of the A square is that colour.
>>> 
>>> nope. the entire a and b squares are *identical* rgb  {120,120,120}.
>>> 
>>> the only area that isn't are letter markings, which obviously would
>>> have to be different or you would not be able to know which was which.
>>> 
>>> make sure you are sampling a small enough sample, as in one pixel, to
>>> not include the letters, the neighboring cells or the anti-aliasing of
>>> the borders.
>> 
>> I've been at this a long time, and I am using a one pixel sample, and
>> at least 5-6 pixels away from the edge of the square.
> 
> it's being thrown off by something.
> 
> put the cursor in the middle, away from the letter markings and
> borders.
> 
> it's {120,120,120} on both. period.

My apologies.

I see where I erred. I placed window for DigitalColor Meter too close 
to the graphic...

...and forgot about the shadow that surrounds the frontmost window. 

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#62838

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2014-08-01 23:09 -0400
Message-ID<53dc5673$0$45927$c3e8da3$88b277c5@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#62798
>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png

In Photoshop:


A is 120, 120, 120
B is 120, 120, 120

Breaking the illusion with some cut and paste :

http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/illusion.png

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#62842

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-08-02 03:17 +0000
Message-ID<c433j2Fdp4dU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#62838
On 2014-08-02, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>
> In Photoshop:
>
>
> A is 120, 120, 120
> B is 120, 120, 120
>
> Breaking the illusion with some cut and paste :
>
> http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/illusion.png

Perfect.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#62852

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-08-02 03:53 -0400
Message-ID<lri5e6$5kq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62838
On 2014-08-01 23:09:38 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said:

> 
>>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
> 
> In Photoshop:
> 
> 
> A is 120, 120, 120
> B is 120, 120, 120
> 
> Breaking the illusion with some cut and paste :
> 
> http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/illusion.png

So, who are you going to believe?

Alan, or your LYING eyes?
-- 
Light moves faster than sound.  That's why some folks appear bright 
until you hear them speak...

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#62857

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2014-08-02 01:13 -0700
Message-ID<lri6jt$8gl$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#62852
On 2014-08-02 07:53:42 +0000, FPP said:

> On 2014-08-01 23:09:38 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said:
> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>> 
>> In Photoshop:
>> 
>> 
>> A is 120, 120, 120
>> B is 120, 120, 120
>> 
>> Breaking the illusion with some cut and paste :
>> 
>> http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/illusion.png
> 
> So, who are you going to believe?
> 
> Alan, or your LYING eyes?

I never said the illusion wasn't valid.

For someone who proofreads, you really don't read very well.

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#62862

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-08-02 04:29 -0400
Message-ID<lri7he$f8e$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62857
On 2014-08-02 04:13:48 -0400, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:

> On 2014-08-02 07:53:42 +0000, FPP said:
> 
>> On 2014-08-01 23:09:38 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> said:
>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>> 
>>> In Photoshop:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A is 120, 120, 120
>>> B is 120, 120, 120
>>> 
>>> Breaking the illusion with some cut and paste :
>>> 
>>> http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/illusion.png
>> 
>> So, who are you going to believe?
>> 
>> Alan, or your LYING eyes?
> 
> I never said the illusion wasn't valid.
> 
> For someone who proofreads, you really don't read very well.

And AS someone who proofreads, my opinion is that maybe you just don't 
write very well.
-- 
If you're not a part of the solution, there's good money to be made 
prolonging the problem.

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#62803

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-08-01 15:55 -0400
Message-ID<lrgrc3$6oc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62795
On 2014-08-01 19:01:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:

> On 2014-08-01 18:56:45 +0000, nospam said:
> 
>> In article <lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
>> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>>> 
>>>> The shadow knows.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>>> 
>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>>> is WRONG.
>>> 
>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
>> 
>> yes they are.
> 
> No, they are not.

You're not a color editor, but you play one on Usenet, right?  I don't 
pretend to know everything... but I'm the graphics guy with 38 years 
experience, here.  But, hey, don't take MY word for it.

"The checker shadow illusion is an optical illusion published by Edward 
H. Adelson, Professor of Vision Science at MIT in 1995."

That's THE Massachusetts Institute of technology that has produced 81 
Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes 
Scholars, 38 MacArthur Fellows.

I have a 25K stationary Spectrophotometer, and I'm not afraid to use it 
:-)  Of course, all that can't hold a candle (FYI - that's an "idiom", 
and not strictly a "figure of speech".) next to a guy who has a free 
color meter on his home computer.

My hand held X-Rite densitometer also says it matches.  Do you want to 
know the L*a*b* values, too?

Of course not... because you haven't a clue that L*a*b* is a a 
three-dimensional color specification system.

Would you prefer to know the Delta E values?  (Delta E is defined as 
the difference between two colors in an L*a*b* color space.)

For the knuckle draggers out there (no offense), you can simply cut 
square A out of the background and drop it directly over square B, and 
it will match with almost perfect accuracy.

So I'm wrong, am I?   Have you NOT been paying attention?  Do you 
REALLY think I would post it if I didn't KNOW I was right?

You're a guy who doesn't know his ass from his elbow about a great many things.
You've already embarrassed yourself... please, for your own sake, stop 
trying before you hurt yourself.

-- 
"Listen, I'm a politician... which means that I'm a cheat and a liar, 
and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops." -Hunt 
for Red October

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#62804

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2014-08-01 13:08 -0700
Message-ID<lrgs4g$d0t$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#62803
On 2014-08-01 19:55:47 +0000, FPP said:

> On 2014-08-01 19:01:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
> 
>> On 2014-08-01 18:56:45 +0000, nospam said:
>> 
>>> In article <lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
>>> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>>>> 
>>>>> The shadow knows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>>>> 
>>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>>>> is WRONG.
>>>> 
>>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
>>> 
>>> yes they are.
>> 
>> No, they are not.
> 
> You're not a color editor, but you play one on Usenet, right?  I don't 
> pretend to know everything... but I'm the graphics guy with 38 years 
> experience, here.  But, hey, don't take MY word for it.
> 
> "The checker shadow illusion is an optical illusion published by Edward 
> H. Adelson, Professor of Vision Science at MIT in 1995."
> 
> That's THE Massachusetts Institute of technology that has produced 81 
> Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes 
> Scholars, 38 MacArthur Fellows.
> 
> I have a 25K stationary Spectrophotometer, and I'm not afraid to use it 
> :-)  Of course, all that can't hold a candle (FYI - that's an "idiom", 
> and not strictly a "figure of speech".) next to a guy who has a free 
> color meter on his home computer.
> 
> My hand held X-Rite densitometer also says it matches.  Do you want to 
> know the L*a*b* values, too?
> 
> Of course not... because you haven't a clue that L*a*b* is a a 
> three-dimensional color specification system.
> 
> Would you prefer to know the Delta E values?  (Delta E is defined as 
> the difference between two colors in an L*a*b* color space.)
> 
> For the knuckle draggers out there (no offense), you can simply cut 
> square A out of the background and drop it directly over square B, and 
> it will match with almost perfect accuracy.
> 
> So I'm wrong, am I?   Have you NOT been paying attention?  Do you 
> REALLY think I would post it if I didn't KNOW I was right?
> 
> You're a guy who doesn't know his ass from his elbow about a great many things.
> You've already embarrassed yourself... please, for your own sake, stop 
> trying before you hurt yourself.

Says the person who claimed the Dock couldn't do something that it 
quite clearly could...

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#62807

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-08-01 16:53 -0400
Message-ID<lrgunc$use$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62804
On 2014-08-01 20:08:48 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:

> On 2014-08-01 19:55:47 +0000, FPP said:
> 
>> On 2014-08-01 19:01:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-08-01 18:56:45 +0000, nospam said:
>>> 
>>>> In article <lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
>>>> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The shadow knows.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>>>>> 
>>>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>>>>> is WRONG.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
>>>> 
>>>> yes they are.
>>> 
>>> No, they are not.
>> 
>> You're not a color editor, but you play one on Usenet, right?  I don't 
>> pretend to know everything... but I'm the graphics guy with 38 years 
>> experience, here.  But, hey, don't take MY word for it.
>> 
>> "The checker shadow illusion is an optical illusion published by Edward 
>> H. Adelson, Professor of Vision Science at MIT in 1995."
>> 
>> That's THE Massachusetts Institute of technology that has produced 81 
>> Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes 
>> Scholars, 38 MacArthur Fellows.
>> 
>> I have a 25K stationary Spectrophotometer, and I'm not afraid to use it 
>> :-)  Of course, all that can't hold a candle (FYI - that's an "idiom", 
>> and not strictly a "figure of speech".) next to a guy who has a free 
>> color meter on his home computer.
>> 
>> My hand held X-Rite densitometer also says it matches.  Do you want to 
>> know the L*a*b* values, too?
>> 
>> Of course not... because you haven't a clue that L*a*b* is a a 
>> three-dimensional color specification system.
>> 
>> Would you prefer to know the Delta E values?  (Delta E is defined as 
>> the difference between two colors in an L*a*b* color space.)
>> 
>> For the knuckle draggers out there (no offense), you can simply cut 
>> square A out of the background and drop it directly over square B, and 
>> it will match with almost perfect accuracy.
>> 
>> So I'm wrong, am I?   Have you NOT been paying attention?  Do you 
>> REALLY think I would post it if I didn't KNOW I was right?
>> 
>> You're a guy who doesn't know his ass from his elbow about a great many things.
>> You've already embarrassed yourself... please, for your own sake, stop 
>> trying before you hurt yourself.
> 
> Says the person who claimed the Dock couldn't do something that it 
> quite clearly could...

Oh, for fucks sake, give it a rest.  I "quite clearly" don't give two 
shits about the dock.  Did you read anything I wrote?  Did you 
understand anything I wrote?  I'm wasting my breath on a lost cause.

You ARE wrong.  You WERE wrong.  And, until you grow up and realize it, 
you'll CONTINUE to be wrong.

It's a sign of maturity when you can take responsibility and admit a 
mistake.  I offered you an olive branch when I KNEW you had made a 
simple grammar mistake.  Did you take it?  No. You grabbed the branch 
and took a swing at me.

You ready to tell me, now, that the new Yosemite system font isn't 
harder to read like I said?  That I'm WRONG about that, too, like I was 
wrong about the checker shadow illusion?   'Cause I can do this all day.

Just what is YOUR area of expertise?  It sure isn't graphic arts, 
grammar or reading comprehension...

Care to enlighten us?  Or do you just want to tell me about the fucking 
dock once more...

-- 
"To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable." -Goldwater

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#62808

FromLloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2014-08-01 16:00 -0500
Message-ID<c42dfbF9phfU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#62807
> On 2014-08-01 20:08:48 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>
>> On 2014-08-01 19:55:47 +0000, FPP said:
>>
>>> On 2014-08-01 19:01:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-08-01 18:56:45 +0000, nospam said:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
>>>>> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The shadow knows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>>>>>> is WRONG.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
>>>>>
>>>>> yes they are.
>>>>
>>>> No, they are not.
>>>
>>> You're not a color editor, but you play one on Usenet, right?  I don't
>>> pretend to know everything... but I'm the graphics guy with 38 years
>>> experience, here.  But, hey, don't take MY word for it.
>>>
>>> "The checker shadow illusion is an optical illusion published by Edward
>>> H. Adelson, Professor of Vision Science at MIT in 1995."
>>>
>>> That's THE Massachusetts Institute of technology that has produced 81
>>> Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes
>>> Scholars, 38 MacArthur Fellows.
>>>
>>> I have a 25K stationary Spectrophotometer, and I'm not afraid to use it
>>> :-)  Of course, all that can't hold a candle (FYI - that's an "idiom",
>>> and not strictly a "figure of speech".) next to a guy who has a free
>>> color meter on his home computer.
>>>
>>> My hand held X-Rite densitometer also says it matches.  Do you want to
>>> know the L*a*b* values, too?
>>>
>>> Of course not... because you haven't a clue that L*a*b* is a a
>>> three-dimensional color specification system.
>>>
>>> Would you prefer to know the Delta E values?  (Delta E is defined as
>>> the difference between two colors in an L*a*b* color space.)
>>>
>>> For the knuckle draggers out there (no offense), you can simply cut
>>> square A out of the background and drop it directly over square B, and
>>> it will match with almost perfect accuracy.
>>>
>>> So I'm wrong, am I?   Have you NOT been paying attention?  Do you
>>> REALLY think I would post it if I didn't KNOW I was right?
>>>
>>> You're a guy who doesn't know his ass from his elbow about a great many things.
>>> You've already embarrassed yourself... please, for your own sake, stop
>>> trying before you hurt yourself.
>>
>> Says the person who claimed the Dock couldn't do something that it
>> quite clearly could...
>
> Oh, for fucks sake, give it a rest.  I "quite clearly" don't give two
> shits about the dock.  Did you read anything I wrote?  Did you
> understand anything I wrote?  I'm wasting my breath on a lost cause.
>
> You ARE wrong.  You WERE wrong.  And, until you grow up and realize it,
> you'll CONTINUE to be wrong.
>
> It's a sign of maturity when you can take responsibility and admit a
> mistake.  I offered you an olive branch when I KNEW you had made a
> simple grammar mistake.  Did you take it?  No. You grabbed the branch
> and took a swing at me.
>
> You ready to tell me, now, that the new Yosemite system font isn't
> harder to read like I said?  That I'm WRONG about that, too, like I was
> wrong about the checker shadow illusion?   'Cause I can do this all day.
>
> Just what is YOUR area of expertise?  It sure isn't graphic arts,
> grammar or reading comprehension...
>
> Care to enlighten us?  Or do you just want to tell me about the fucking
> dock once more...
>
> --
> "To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable." -Goldwater
>
>
Alan's posting style is mostly of the antagonist sort, nearly trollish in nature.  You get used to it or just ignore him most of the time and life gets better.  He's that way in every newsgroup he posts to and that's a lot of newsgroups.


--
--

Lloyd
from SurfacePro via NewsgroupsRT

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#62810

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2014-08-01 14:04 -0700
Message-ID<lrgvdc$ij0$2@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#62808
On 2014-08-01 21:00:23 +0000, Lloyd Parsons said:

>> 
>> On 2014-08-01 20:08:48 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-08-01 19:55:47 +0000, FPP said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-08-01 19:01:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-08-01 18:56:45 +0000, nospam said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In article <lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
>>>>>> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>>>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The shadow knows.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>>>>>>> is WRONG.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> yes they are.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, they are not.
>>>> 
>>>> You're not a color editor, but you play one on Usenet, right?  I don't
>>>> pretend to know everything... but I'm the graphics guy with 38 years
>>>> experience, here.  But, hey, don't take MY word for it.
>>>> 
>>>> "The checker shadow illusion is an optical illusion published by Edward
>>>> H. Adelson, Professor of Vision Science at MIT in 1995."
>>>> 
>>>> That's THE Massachusetts Institute of technology that has produced 81
>>>> Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes
>>>> Scholars, 38 MacArthur Fellows.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a 25K stationary Spectrophotometer, and I'm not afraid to use it
>>>> :-)  Of course, all that can't hold a candle (FYI - that's an "idiom",
>>>> and not strictly a "figure of speech".) next to a guy who has a free
>>>> color meter on his home computer.
>>>> 
>>>> My hand held X-Rite densitometer also says it matches.  Do you want to
>>>> know the L*a*b* values, too?
>>>> 
>>>> Of course not... because you haven't a clue that L*a*b* is a a
>>>> three-dimensional color specification system.
>>>> 
>>>> Would you prefer to know the Delta E values?  (Delta E is defined as
>>>> the difference between two colors in an L*a*b* color space.)
>>>> 
>>>> For the knuckle draggers out there (no offense), you can simply cut
>>>> square A out of the background and drop it directly over square B, and
>>>> it will match with almost perfect accuracy.
>>>> 
>>>> So I'm wrong, am I?   Have you NOT been paying attention?  Do you
>>>> REALLY think I would post it if I didn't KNOW I was right?
>>>> 
>>>> You're a guy who doesn't know his ass from his elbow about a great many things.
>>>> You've already embarrassed yourself... please, for your own sake, stop
>>>> trying before you hurt yourself.
>>> 
>>> Says the person who claimed the Dock couldn't do something that it
>>> quite clearly could...
>> 
>> Oh, for fucks sake, give it a rest.  I "quite clearly" don't give two
>> shits about the dock.  Did you read anything I wrote?  Did you
>> understand anything I wrote?  I'm wasting my breath on a lost cause.
>> 
>> You ARE wrong.  You WERE wrong.  And, until you grow up and realize it,
>> you'll CONTINUE to be wrong.
>> 
>> It's a sign of maturity when you can take responsibility and admit a
>> mistake.  I offered you an olive branch when I KNEW you had made a
>> simple grammar mistake.  Did you take it?  No. You grabbed the branch
>> and took a swing at me.
>> 
>> You ready to tell me, now, that the new Yosemite system font isn't
>> harder to read like I said?  That I'm WRONG about that, too, like I was
>> wrong about the checker shadow illusion?   'Cause I can do this all day.
>> 
>> Just what is YOUR area of expertise?  It sure isn't graphic arts,
>> grammar or reading comprehension...
>> 
>> Care to enlighten us?  Or do you just want to tell me about the fucking
>> dock once more...
>> 
>> --
>> "To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable." -Goldwater
>> 
>> 
> Alan's posting style is mostly of the antagonist sort, nearly trollish 
> in nature.  You get used to it or just ignore him most of the time and 
> life gets better.  He's that way in every newsgroup he posts to and 
> that's a lot of newsgroups.
> 
> 

A fairly accurate assessment....

<shrug>

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#62809

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2014-08-01 14:04 -0700
Message-ID<lrgvcd$ij0$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#62807
On 2014-08-01 20:53:01 +0000, FPP said:

> On 2014-08-01 20:08:48 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
> 
>> On 2014-08-01 19:55:47 +0000, FPP said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-08-01 19:01:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-08-01 18:56:45 +0000, nospam said:
>>>> 
>>>>> In article <lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
>>>>> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The shadow knows.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>>>>>> is WRONG.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
>>>>> 
>>>>> yes they are.
>>>> 
>>>> No, they are not.
>>> 
>>> You're not a color editor, but you play one on Usenet, right?  I don't 
>>> pretend to know everything... but I'm the graphics guy with 38 years 
>>> experience, here.  But, hey, don't take MY word for it.
>>> 
>>> "The checker shadow illusion is an optical illusion published by Edward 
>>> H. Adelson, Professor of Vision Science at MIT in 1995."
>>> 
>>> That's THE Massachusetts Institute of technology that has produced 81 
>>> Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes 
>>> Scholars, 38 MacArthur Fellows.
>>> 
>>> I have a 25K stationary Spectrophotometer, and I'm not afraid to use it 
>>> :-)  Of course, all that can't hold a candle (FYI - that's an "idiom", 
>>> and not strictly a "figure of speech".) next to a guy who has a free 
>>> color meter on his home computer.
>>> 
>>> My hand held X-Rite densitometer also says it matches.  Do you want to 
>>> know the L*a*b* values, too?
>>> 
>>> Of course not... because you haven't a clue that L*a*b* is a a 
>>> three-dimensional color specification system.
>>> 
>>> Would you prefer to know the Delta E values?  (Delta E is defined as 
>>> the difference between two colors in an L*a*b* color space.)
>>> 
>>> For the knuckle draggers out there (no offense), you can simply cut 
>>> square A out of the background and drop it directly over square B, and 
>>> it will match with almost perfect accuracy.
>>> 
>>> So I'm wrong, am I?   Have you NOT been paying attention?  Do you 
>>> REALLY think I would post it if I didn't KNOW I was right?
>>> 
>>> You're a guy who doesn't know his ass from his elbow about a great many things.
>>> You've already embarrassed yourself... please, for your own sake, stop 
>>> trying before you hurt yourself.
>> 
>> Says the person who claimed the Dock couldn't do something that it 
>> quite clearly could...
> 
> Oh, for fucks sake, give it a rest.  I "quite clearly" don't give two 
> shits about the dock.  Did you read anything I wrote?  Did you 
> understand anything I wrote?  I'm wasting my breath on a lost cause.

Well... ...you "don't give two shits" NOW...

...having been shown you were clueless.

> 
> You ARE wrong.  You WERE wrong.  And, until you grow up and realize it, 
> you'll CONTINUE to be wrong.

I'm not wrong. I'm correct.

> 
> It's a sign of maturity when you can take responsibility and admit a 
> mistake.  I offered you an olive branch when I KNEW you had made a 
> simple grammar mistake.  Did you take it?  No. You grabbed the branch 
> and took a swing at me.
> 
> You ready to tell me, now, that the new Yosemite system font isn't 
> harder to read like I said?  That I'm WRONG about that, too, like I was 
> wrong about the checker shadow illusion?   'Cause I can do this all day.
> 
> Just what is YOUR area of expertise?  It sure isn't graphic arts, 
> grammar or reading comprehension...
> 
> Care to enlighten us?  Or do you just want to tell me about the fucking 
> dock once more...

Sure. Right after you admit you were wrong about the limitation you 
claimed it had...

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#62853

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-08-02 03:56 -0400
Message-ID<lri5j9$709$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62809
On 2014-08-01 17:04:13 -0400, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:

> On 2014-08-01 20:53:01 +0000, FPP said:
> 
>> On 2014-08-01 20:08:48 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-08-01 19:55:47 +0000, FPP said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-08-01 19:01:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-08-01 18:56:45 +0000, nospam said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In article <lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
>>>>>> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>>>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The shadow knows.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>>>>>>> is WRONG.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> yes they are.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, they are not.
>>>> 
>>>> You're not a color editor, but you play one on Usenet, right?  I don't 
>>>> pretend to know everything... but I'm the graphics guy with 38 years 
>>>> experience, here.  But, hey, don't take MY word for it.
>>>> 
>>>> "The checker shadow illusion is an optical illusion published by Edward 
>>>> H. Adelson, Professor of Vision Science at MIT in 1995."
>>>> 
>>>> That's THE Massachusetts Institute of technology that has produced 81 
>>>> Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes 
>>>> Scholars, 38 MacArthur Fellows.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a 25K stationary Spectrophotometer, and I'm not afraid to use it 
>>>> :-)  Of course, all that can't hold a candle (FYI - that's an "idiom", 
>>>> and not strictly a "figure of speech".) next to a guy who has a free 
>>>> color meter on his home computer.
>>>> 
>>>> My hand held X-Rite densitometer also says it matches.  Do you want to 
>>>> know the L*a*b* values, too?
>>>> 
>>>> Of course not... because you haven't a clue that L*a*b* is a a 
>>>> three-dimensional color specification system.
>>>> 
>>>> Would you prefer to know the Delta E values?  (Delta E is defined as 
>>>> the difference between two colors in an L*a*b* color space.)
>>>> 
>>>> For the knuckle draggers out there (no offense), you can simply cut 
>>>> square A out of the background and drop it directly over square B, and 
>>>> it will match with almost perfect accuracy.
>>>> 
>>>> So I'm wrong, am I?   Have you NOT been paying attention?  Do you 
>>>> REALLY think I would post it if I didn't KNOW I was right?
>>>> 
>>>> You're a guy who doesn't know his ass from his elbow about a great many things.
>>>> You've already embarrassed yourself... please, for your own sake, stop 
>>>> trying before you hurt yourself.
>>> 
>>> Says the person who claimed the Dock couldn't do something that it 
>>> quite clearly could...
>> 
>> Oh, for fucks sake, give it a rest.  I "quite clearly" don't give two 
>> shits about the dock.  Did you read anything I wrote?  Did you 
>> understand anything I wrote?  I'm wasting my breath on a lost cause.
> 
> Well... ...you "don't give two shits" NOW...
> 
> ...having been shown you were clueless.
> 
>> 
>> You ARE wrong.  You WERE wrong.  And, until you grow up and realize it, 
>> you'll CONTINUE to be wrong.
> 
> I'm not wrong. I'm correct.
> 
>> 
>> It's a sign of maturity when you can take responsibility and admit a 
>> mistake.  I offered you an olive branch when I KNEW you had made a 
>> simple grammar mistake.  Did you take it?  No. You grabbed the branch 
>> and took a swing at me.
>> 
>> You ready to tell me, now, that the new Yosemite system font isn't 
>> harder to read like I said?  That I'm WRONG about that, too, like I was 
>> wrong about the checker shadow illusion?   'Cause I can do this all day.
>> 
>> Just what is YOUR area of expertise?  It sure isn't graphic arts, 
>> grammar or reading comprehension...
>> 
>> Care to enlighten us?  Or do you just want to tell me about the fucking 
>> dock once more...
> 
> Sure. Right after you admit you were wrong about the limitation you 
> claimed it had...

To you?   Fat chance.

Why?  So you can twist THAT, too?

Accept it.  I have nothing for you, and you certainly have nothing that 
I would ever want, or trust.
-- 
"Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." - 
Will Rogers

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#62858

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2014-08-02 01:14 -0700
Message-ID<lri6lc$8gl$2@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#62853
On 2014-08-02 07:56:25 +0000, FPP said:

> On 2014-08-01 17:04:13 -0400, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
> 
>> On 2014-08-01 20:53:01 +0000, FPP said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-08-01 20:08:48 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-08-01 19:55:47 +0000, FPP said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-08-01 19:01:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2014-08-01 18:56:45 +0000, nospam said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In article <lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
>>>>>>> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>>>>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The shadow knows.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>>>>>>>> is WRONG.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> yes they are.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, they are not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You're not a color editor, but you play one on Usenet, right?  I don't 
>>>>> pretend to know everything... but I'm the graphics guy with 38 years 
>>>>> experience, here.  But, hey, don't take MY word for it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "The checker shadow illusion is an optical illusion published by Edward 
>>>>> H. Adelson, Professor of Vision Science at MIT in 1995."
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's THE Massachusetts Institute of technology that has produced 81 
>>>>> Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes 
>>>>> Scholars, 38 MacArthur Fellows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a 25K stationary Spectrophotometer, and I'm not afraid to use it 
>>>>> :-)  Of course, all that can't hold a candle (FYI - that's an "idiom", 
>>>>> and not strictly a "figure of speech".) next to a guy who has a free 
>>>>> color meter on his home computer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My hand held X-Rite densitometer also says it matches.  Do you want to 
>>>>> know the L*a*b* values, too?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Of course not... because you haven't a clue that L*a*b* is a a 
>>>>> three-dimensional color specification system.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would you prefer to know the Delta E values?  (Delta E is defined as 
>>>>> the difference between two colors in an L*a*b* color space.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the knuckle draggers out there (no offense), you can simply cut 
>>>>> square A out of the background and drop it directly over square B, and 
>>>>> it will match with almost perfect accuracy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I'm wrong, am I?   Have you NOT been paying attention?  Do you 
>>>>> REALLY think I would post it if I didn't KNOW I was right?
>>>>> 
>>>>> You're a guy who doesn't know his ass from his elbow about a great many things.
>>>>> You've already embarrassed yourself... please, for your own sake, stop 
>>>>> trying before you hurt yourself.
>>>> 
>>>> Says the person who claimed the Dock couldn't do something that it 
>>>> quite clearly could...
>>> 
>>> Oh, for fucks sake, give it a rest.  I "quite clearly" don't give two 
>>> shits about the dock.  Did you read anything I wrote?  Did you 
>>> understand anything I wrote?  I'm wasting my breath on a lost cause.
>> 
>> Well... ...you "don't give two shits" NOW...
>> 
>> ...having been shown you were clueless.
>> 
>>> 
>>> You ARE wrong.  You WERE wrong.  And, until you grow up and realize it, 
>>> you'll CONTINUE to be wrong.
>> 
>> I'm not wrong. I'm correct.
>> 
>>> 
>>> It's a sign of maturity when you can take responsibility and admit a 
>>> mistake.  I offered you an olive branch when I KNEW you had made a 
>>> simple grammar mistake.  Did you take it?  No. You grabbed the branch 
>>> and took a swing at me.
>>> 
>>> You ready to tell me, now, that the new Yosemite system font isn't 
>>> harder to read like I said?  That I'm WRONG about that, too, like I was 
>>> wrong about the checker shadow illusion?   'Cause I can do this all day.
>>> 
>>> Just what is YOUR area of expertise?  It sure isn't graphic arts, 
>>> grammar or reading comprehension...
>>> 
>>> Care to enlighten us?  Or do you just want to tell me about the fucking 
>>> dock once more...
>> 
>> Sure. Right after you admit you were wrong about the limitation you 
>> claimed it had...
> 
> To you?   Fat chance.

Riiiight.

Because you aren't wrong if you don't admit it!

> 
> Why?  So you can twist THAT, too?
> 
> Accept it.  I have nothing for you, and you certainly have nothing that 
> I would ever want, or trust.

What I have is facts. But I agree you have nothing for me.

:-)

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#62863

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-08-02 04:32 -0400
Message-ID<lri7m7$iaa$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62858
On 2014-08-02 04:14:35 -0400, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:

> On 2014-08-02 07:56:25 +0000, FPP said:
> 
>> On 2014-08-01 17:04:13 -0400, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-08-01 20:53:01 +0000, FPP said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-08-01 20:08:48 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-08-01 19:55:47 +0000, FPP said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2014-08-01 19:01:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2014-08-01 18:56:45 +0000, nospam said:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In article <lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
>>>>>>>> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>>>>>>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The shadow knows.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>>>>>>>>> is WRONG.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> yes they are.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No, they are not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You're not a color editor, but you play one on Usenet, right?  I don't 
>>>>>> pretend to know everything... but I'm the graphics guy with 38 years 
>>>>>> experience, here.  But, hey, don't take MY word for it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "The checker shadow illusion is an optical illusion published by Edward 
>>>>>> H. Adelson, Professor of Vision Science at MIT in 1995."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's THE Massachusetts Institute of technology that has produced 81 
>>>>>> Nobel laureates, 52 National Medal of Science recipients, 45 Rhodes 
>>>>>> Scholars, 38 MacArthur Fellows.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a 25K stationary Spectrophotometer, and I'm not afraid to use it 
>>>>>> :-)  Of course, all that can't hold a candle (FYI - that's an "idiom", 
>>>>>> and not strictly a "figure of speech".) next to a guy who has a free 
>>>>>> color meter on his home computer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My hand held X-Rite densitometer also says it matches.  Do you want to 
>>>>>> know the L*a*b* values, too?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Of course not... because you haven't a clue that L*a*b* is a a 
>>>>>> three-dimensional color specification system.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would you prefer to know the Delta E values?  (Delta E is defined as 
>>>>>> the difference between two colors in an L*a*b* color space.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For the knuckle draggers out there (no offense), you can simply cut 
>>>>>> square A out of the background and drop it directly over square B, and 
>>>>>> it will match with almost perfect accuracy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I'm wrong, am I?   Have you NOT been paying attention?  Do you 
>>>>>> REALLY think I would post it if I didn't KNOW I was right?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You're a guy who doesn't know his ass from his elbow about a great many things.
>>>>>> You've already embarrassed yourself... please, for your own sake, stop 
>>>>>> trying before you hurt yourself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Says the person who claimed the Dock couldn't do something that it 
>>>>> quite clearly could...
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, for fucks sake, give it a rest.  I "quite clearly" don't give two 
>>>> shits about the dock.  Did you read anything I wrote?  Did you 
>>>> understand anything I wrote?  I'm wasting my breath on a lost cause.
>>> 
>>> Well... ...you "don't give two shits" NOW...
>>> 
>>> ...having been shown you were clueless.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You ARE wrong.  You WERE wrong.  And, until you grow up and realize it, 
>>>> you'll CONTINUE to be wrong.
>>> 
>>> I'm not wrong. I'm correct.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It's a sign of maturity when you can take responsibility and admit a 
>>>> mistake.  I offered you an olive branch when I KNEW you had made a 
>>>> simple grammar mistake.  Did you take it?  No. You grabbed the branch 
>>>> and took a swing at me.
>>>> 
>>>> You ready to tell me, now, that the new Yosemite system font isn't 
>>>> harder to read like I said?  That I'm WRONG about that, too, like I was 
>>>> wrong about the checker shadow illusion?   'Cause I can do this all day.
>>>> 
>>>> Just what is YOUR area of expertise?  It sure isn't graphic arts, 
>>>> grammar or reading comprehension...
>>>> 
>>>> Care to enlighten us?  Or do you just want to tell me about the fucking 
>>>> dock once more...
>>> 
>>> Sure. Right after you admit you were wrong about the limitation you 
>>> claimed it had...
>> 
>> To you?   Fat chance.
> 
> Riiiight.
> 
> Because you aren't wrong if you don't admit it!
> 
>> 
>> Why?  So you can twist THAT, too?
>> 
>> Accept it.  I have nothing for you, and you certainly have nothing that 
>> I would ever want, or trust.
> 
> What I have is facts. But I agree you have nothing for me.
> 
> :-)

My god... you're like a cartoon.

You have a very large horn, and it only blows ONE note.

But, boy, does it blow...   sorta like you.  :-)
-- 
“I'm fairly certain that YOLO is just Carpe Diem for stupid people.”  - 
Jack Black

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#62830

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-08-02 01:29 +0000
Message-ID<slrnltofos.1to1.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#62807
Okay, so one time? In band camp? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> was all, like: 
 --> 	 Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:53:01 -0400 <lrgunc$use$1@dont-email.me>
> You ARE wrong.  You WERE wrong.  And, until you grow up and realize it, 
> you'll CONTINUE to be wrong.

You've just been initiated into the club of people who are astonished at
the levels of pure shitheaded stupidity nospam will exhibit at the mere
hint that he's wrong.

It's a very large club. We have cookies and coffee in the back.

-- 
A sadder and a wiser man he rose the morrow morn.

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#62854

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-08-02 04:03 -0400
Message-ID<lri60a$9fq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62830
On 2014-08-01 21:29:54 -0400, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> was all, like:
>  --> 	 Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:53:01 -0400 <lrgunc$use$1@dont-email.me>
>> You ARE wrong.  You WERE wrong.  And, until you grow up and realize it,
>> you'll CONTINUE to be wrong.
> 
> You've just been initiated into the club of people who are astonished at
> the levels of pure shitheaded stupidity nospam will exhibit at the mere
> hint that he's wrong.
> 
> It's a very large club. We have cookies and coffee in the back.

There used to be a saying:

"We have s support group for that.  It's called "everybody", and it 
meets around the corner, at the nearest bar."
-- 
"Listen, I'm a politician... which means that I'm a cheat and a liar, 
and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops." -Hunt 
for Red October

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