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Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS :(

Started byLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
First post2014-07-26 12:00 -0500
Last post2014-07-29 00:54 +0000
Articles 20 on this page of 465 — 30 participants

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  Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-26 12:00 -0500
    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-26 12:34 -0500
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-26 13:11 -0500
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-27 10:45 +1200
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-26 18:01 -0500
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-27 11:03 -0400
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-27 11:27 -0500
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-27 14:10 -0400
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-27 13:21 -0500
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-27 16:44 -0400
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-27 14:46 -0400
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-27 19:09 +0000
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-27 10:40 +1200
    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-26 20:06 +0000
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-26 15:04 -0700
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-27 00:41 +0000
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-26 23:17 -0400
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-28 13:12 +0200
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-26 23:52 -0700
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-26 22:03 -0500
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-27 04:18 +0000
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-27 13:45 -0400
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-27 18:14 +0000
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-27 13:20 -0500
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-27 19:08 +0000
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-29 00:57 +0000
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-28 15:46 -0700
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-28 20:02 -0400
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-29 01:06 +0000
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 01:26 +0000
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-28 22:01 -0700
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-29 11:46 -0400
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 10:18 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-29 21:13 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 19:11 -0700
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-31 01:47 -0400
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 06:51 -0700
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-31 08:55 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 20:17 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-08-01 22:52 -0400
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-31 12:37 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-31 09:40 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-31 13:18 -0400
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 11:05 -0700
                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 18:23 +0000
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 11:35 -0700
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 18:55 +0000
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-02 01:26 +0000
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 16:59 +0000
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-31 21:46 +0000
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-31 18:38 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 16:03 +0000
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 16:12 +0000
                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-08-01 17:51 +0000
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 18:22 +0000
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-08-01 12:35 -0700
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-08-02 01:31 +0000
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-08-11 18:38 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-31 14:35 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-31 23:33 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 20:20 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 16:02 +0000
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-28 22:30 -0400
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-28 22:04 -0700
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 02:13 -0400
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 07:56 -0700
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-07-29 10:39 -0400
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 10:58 -0400
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-07-29 13:39 -0400
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-29 10:57 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 18:17 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 14:56 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-29 22:15 +0100
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 19:33 -0400
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-30 09:36 +1000
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-08-04 14:01 +0200
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-04 11:32 -0400
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 19:09 -0700
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-07-29 21:49 -0500
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 22:11 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-07-29 23:10 -0400
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 08:05 -0700
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-07-29 13:34 -0400
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 11:10 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 14:56 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-07-29 23:12 -0400
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-30 16:07 +1200
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-30 00:10 -0400
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-30 01:59 +0000
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 09:32 -0400
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-29 13:39 +0000
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 15:10 +0000
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-30 01:51 +0000
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 11:37 -0400
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 14:56 -0400
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-29 14:11 -0500
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 15:14 -0400
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-29 14:48 -0500
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 23:20 +0000
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 19:33 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-30 00:19 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-29 14:48 -0500
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 15:58 -0400
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 17:21 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 19:33 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-30 13:36 +1200
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-29 20:38 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 17:18 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-30 09:21 +1000
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-30 09:37 +1000
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 19:33 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-30 13:33 +1200
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-30 01:55 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-30 00:10 -0400
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 09:23 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-30 13:27 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 11:30 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-30 10:34 -0700
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 16:30 -0400
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-30 13:37 -0700
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-30 17:10 -0400
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-30 22:05 +0000
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-30 23:16 +0100
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-31 02:09 +0000
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-30 17:56 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 09:29 -0400
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 06:56 -0700
                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 11:25 -0400
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-31 16:31 +0100
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 12:17 -0400
                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-31 14:39 -0700
                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 03:01 -0400
                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 15:51 +0000
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 19:18 -0700
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 03:31 -0400
                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:25 -0700
                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 11:33 -0400
                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 11:52 -0700
                                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-01 14:56 -0400
                                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 12:01 -0700
                                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-01 15:13 -0400
                                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 12:22 -0700
                                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-08-01 15:42 -0400
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 12:49 -0700
                                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-08-01 23:09 -0400
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-02 03:17 +0000
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 03:53 -0400
                                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 01:13 -0700
                                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:29 -0400
                                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 15:55 -0400
                                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 13:08 -0700
                                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 16:53 -0400
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-01 16:00 -0500
                                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 14:04 -0700
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 14:04 -0700
                                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 03:56 -0400
                                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 01:14 -0700
                                                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:32 -0400
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-02 01:29 +0000
                                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:03 -0400
                                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-08-02 01:36 +0000
                                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 17:25 -0700
                                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 17:22 -0700
                                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:05 -0400
                                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-08-02 01:23 +0000
                                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:08 -0400
                                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 01:17 -0700
                                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 04:33 -0400
                                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 09:25 -0700
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 13:30 -0400
                                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 10:38 -0700
                                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 13:46 -0400
                                                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 10:51 -0700
                                                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-02 13:57 -0400
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                                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 11:06 -0700
                                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-08-02 23:15 +0100
                                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-02 15:21 -0700
                                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-08-02 23:32 +0100
                                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-08-03 10:45 +1200
                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 11:43 -0700
                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 19:21 -0700
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-08-01 01:38 -0700
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:32 -0700
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-31 16:46 +0000
                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 13:17 -0400
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-31 20:28 +0100
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-31 16:35 -0400
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 02:34 -0400
                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-08-01 19:01 +1200
                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 14:09 +0000
                                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 11:10 -0400
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                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-31 21:53 +0000
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-08-01 12:18 +1200
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                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-07-30 22:39 -0500
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                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 02:43 -0400
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                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:17 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 11:31 -0400
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                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:16 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 11:24 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 15:41 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:50 -0700
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-08-01 13:29 -0400
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                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-08-02 01:44 +0000
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-01 20:58 -0500
                                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-02 03:14 +0000
                                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-02 07:13 -0500
                                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-02 03:11 +0000
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                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-01 13:32 -0500
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                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-01 13:30 -0500
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                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-08-01 19:46 -0500
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-31 01:44 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 06:36 -0700
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-29 07:59 -0700
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-29 11:21 -0400
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-29 10:58 -0500
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 15:06 +0000
    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-26 13:30 -0700
      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-07-26 21:11 +0000
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-26 17:28 -0400
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-07-26 15:11 -0700
          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2014-07-27 07:28 -0500
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-27 07:54 -0700
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-27 10:01 -0500
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-27 09:31 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-07-27 12:16 -0500
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-28 09:29 +1200
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-27 14:53 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-27 15:34 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-28 13:29 +1200
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-27 22:00 -0700
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                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-27 22:04 -0700
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-27 22:49 -0700
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-27 23:07 -0700
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-28 18:23 +1200
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-27 23:34 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-28 18:58 +1200
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-28 08:39 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-07-28 09:45 -0700
                                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-29 09:15 +1200
                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-28 19:51 -0700
                                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2014-07-29 06:35 -0500
                Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-07-27 18:32 -0500
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-27 20:36 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-07-27 23:44 -0500
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-28 09:03 +0200
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-28 13:32 +1200
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-27 23:14 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-28 21:32 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-28 19:51 -0700
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 14:53 +0000
                          Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-29 08:44 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-29 18:00 +0000
                              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-29 11:16 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-28 21:22 +0000
                    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 09:36 -0400
                      Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-30 08:47 +1200
                        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-29 17:23 -0400
            Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-27 13:50 -0400
              Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-28 12:58 +0200
        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-26 22:53 -0400
    Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-07-26 20:25 -0700
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        Re: Yosemite or how to make OSX look like iOS  :( George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-27 13:27 -0500
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#62647

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-07-30 17:10 -0400
Message-ID<lrbmv9$qsj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62646
On 2014-07-30 20:37:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:

> On 2014-07-30 20:30:32 +0000, FPP said:
> 
>> On 2014-07-30 17:34:45 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-07-30 13:23:41 +0000, FPP said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-07-30 01:55:27 +0000, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:
>>>> 
>>>>>> I never said I CLICKED the green stoplight by mistake.  (Okay... maybe
>>>>>> once, or twice.)  What I'm referring to is how the green light
>>>>>> FUNCTIONS now.  It no longer makes the window LARGER - it toggles
>>>>>> FULLSCREEN.  It didn't used to do that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, and that was pointed out in the keynote.
>>>> 
>>>> Great for people who watch keynotes...  I watched one, once.  Since 
>>>> Jobs died, I've really had no interest in keynotes.
>>>> 
>>>>>> Classic Menu is a small app that returns the hierarchical Apple menu, a
>>>>>> la OS9. (It replaces the current Apple logo in the menubar with it's
>>>>>> own colored apple.)  Now that Yosemite has made that apple logo a tad
>>>>>> smaller, it no longer matches Classic Menu's apple, and it's appearance
>>>>>> is jumbled.  (That I can fix by editing the mask resource within the
>>>>>> app itself.  Minor annoyance.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or by not trying to pretend that OS X is OS 9. That's an option.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes... but a dumb option. I have a great universal remote for my home 
>>>> entertainment equipment.  Just because I buy a new receiver and 
>>>> monitor, should I just stop using it because it's old?  It's old and 
>>>> discontinued, but it's still the best remote I've used in my life.
>>>> 
>>>> The Apple Menu was one of the great innovations in Mac OS history.  OSX 
>>>> was another.  Telling me that I shouldn't have the best of both worlds 
>>>> is rather shortsighted...  I'm not clinging to old technology - I'm 
>>>> clinging to GOOD technology.
>>>> 
>>>> Classic Menu returns a functionality that I use every single time I sit 
>>>> down at my machine.  Just because Apple fell in love with the Dock 
>>>> (which I really have absolutely no use for) is no reason to discard one 
>>>> of the really bright aspects of the old Mac OS.
>>>> 
>>>> With a single click, I can literally navigate to any folder or file in 
>>>> any of the 9 volumes on my system, and related network.  Tell me why I 
>>>> should give that up?
>>> 
>>> You can do that pretty well with the Dock as well you know...
>> 
>> You know what *I* know, now do you?
> 
> I know what a common figure of speech is...
> 
>> 
>> Then you'd know that I use Dragthing in my workflow, which puts a 
>> series of popup drawers on the bottom edge of the screen, as well as 
>> along the right and, sometimes, left side of my screen.  The dock takes 
>> up real estate I'd rather use for something else.  The Apple menu 
>> doesn't take up any real estate.
> 
> None of that changes what the Dock can DO, now does it?
> 
>> 
>> But then, you knew that was what I was doing, right?
> 
> I had (and in fact still have) no reason to know.
> 
> Your contention was (as phrased by YOU) that the Apple menu was 
> necessary because it could let you look at all your drives in a 
> hierarchical menu.
> 
> Well guess what, sunshine: the Dock can DO that! I do it all the time 
> with permanent dock "folders" for hard drives and network shares.

Good for you.  I'm not telling YOU what you should use.  And I never 
said the Apple menu was "necessary"... just more elegant and 
convenient.  You're reading something into my words that isn't there.

I never said the dock wouldn't do what you say it does.  I find the 
dock to be more of a distraction, and I don't find it adds anything I 
need.  I've found something that I think works better, and fits my 
workflow.

What is it about the dock that makes it indispensable?
-- 
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and 
I'm not sure about the former." -Einstein

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#62648

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-07-30 22:05 +0000
Message-ID<lrbq73$oh0$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#62647
FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm not telling YOU what you should use.

My job is to give people what they want, not
rag on them about what they should want...

> And I never said the Apple menu was "necessary"...
> just more elegant and convenient.

Oddly enough, I also give myself what I want.

In this case, elegant and convenient is the old
Apple menu.

> I find the dock to be more of a distraction,
> and I don't find it adds anything I need.  I've
> found something that I think works better, and
> fits my workflow.
>
> What is it about the dock that makes it indispensable?

It looks good in the computer shop, and sells hardware.

| Originally published February, 2001. Last updated January, 2004.
|
| Top Ten^W Nine Reasons the Apple Dock Still Sucks

http://www.asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks.html

| Apple Employee #66, Apple's first Interaction Designer and only
| Human Interface Evangelist, weighs in on the scientific evidence
| against the Dock and the sales reality that keeps it in place.   
|
| Apple Sales is in love with the Dock. You can't go into an Apple
| store without seeing it splayed across the bottom of the screen, in
| the very configuration least conducive to computing on a Macintosh.
| Why? Because it's sexy and it sells. It makes that bright, shiny new
| Apple look simple, approachable, and beautiful. It makes for a great
| demo, but not a great product.  [...]

| The problem does not lie with the Dock itself - if it makes a great
| demo, leave it in - but with Apple's apparent belief that it is a
| complete solution. The Dock is akin to a brightly-colored set of
| children's blocks, ideal for your first words - dog, cat, run, Spot,
| run - but not too effective for displaying the contents of War and
| Peace.  [...]

Billy Y..
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#62649

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2014-07-30 23:16 +0100
Message-ID<300720142316300785%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#62648
In article <lrbq73$oh0$1@reader2.panix.com>, <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:

> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> writes:

> > What is it about the dock that makes it indispensable?
> 
> It looks good in the computer shop, and sells hardware.
> 
> | Originally published February, 2001. Last updated January, 2004.
> |
> | Top Ten^W Nine Reasons the Apple Dock Still Sucks
> 
> http://www.asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks.html
> 
> | Apple Employee #66, Apple's first Interaction Designer and only
> | Human Interface Evangelist, weighs in on the scientific evidence
> | against the Dock and the sales reality that keeps it in place.   
> |
> | Apple Sales is in love with the Dock. You can't go into an Apple
> | store without seeing it splayed across the bottom of the screen, in
> | the very configuration least conducive to computing on a Macintosh.
> | Why? Because it's sexy and it sells. It makes that bright, shiny new
> | Apple look simple, approachable, and beautiful. It makes for a great
> | demo, but not a great product.

Certainly as delivered the Duck is not very good. First thing I do is
move it to the left of the screen where it takes up less space. Reduce
the icon size and magnification, and I have something quite useful. I
also throw out toys that I never use, such as Mail.

The Dock could be better. Such as it would be nice to be able to group
docs together when they belong together. E.g. I have a TextWrangler
window and a Safari window that belong together and it would be nice if
I could have a Dock section where they go together - and to where
they'd get minimised again after use. As it is I have to minimise them,
and then move them there by hand.

-- 
"Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you
bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where 
bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc

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#62655

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-07-31 02:09 +0000
Message-ID<lrc8hd$dbn$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#62649
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> writes:

> Certainly as delivered the Duck is not very good. First thing I do is
> move it to the left of the screen where it takes up less space. Reduce
> the icon size and magnification, and I have something quite useful. I
> also throw out toys that I never use, such as Mail.

I do this, too, but to the right.  I dump everything, so only running
programs and minimized windows remain.  At that point, for me, it's only
displaying useful info.

> The Dock could be better. Such as it would be nice to be able to group
> docs together when they belong together. E.g. I have a TextWrangler
> window and a Safari window that belong together and it would be nice if
> I could have a Dock section where they go together - and to where
> they'd get minimised again after use. As it is I have to minimise them,
> and then move them there by hand.

Yep.

Billy Y..
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#62652

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2014-07-30 17:56 -0700
Message-ID<lrc47o$lbn$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#62647
On 2014-07-30 21:10:02 +0000, FPP said:

> On 2014-07-30 20:37:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
> 
>> On 2014-07-30 20:30:32 +0000, FPP said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-07-30 17:34:45 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-07-30 13:23:41 +0000, FPP said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-07-30 01:55:27 +0000, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I never said I CLICKED the green stoplight by mistake.  (Okay... maybe
>>>>>>> once, or twice.)  What I'm referring to is how the green light
>>>>>>> FUNCTIONS now.  It no longer makes the window LARGER - it toggles
>>>>>>> FULLSCREEN.  It didn't used to do that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, and that was pointed out in the keynote.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Great for people who watch keynotes...  I watched one, once.  Since 
>>>>> Jobs died, I've really had no interest in keynotes.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Classic Menu is a small app that returns the hierarchical Apple menu, a
>>>>>>> la OS9. (It replaces the current Apple logo in the menubar with it's
>>>>>>> own colored apple.)  Now that Yosemite has made that apple logo a tad
>>>>>>> smaller, it no longer matches Classic Menu's apple, and it's appearance
>>>>>>> is jumbled.  (That I can fix by editing the mask resource within the
>>>>>>> app itself.  Minor annoyance.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or by not trying to pretend that OS X is OS 9. That's an option.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes... but a dumb option. I have a great universal remote for my home 
>>>>> entertainment equipment.  Just because I buy a new receiver and 
>>>>> monitor, should I just stop using it because it's old?  It's old and 
>>>>> discontinued, but it's still the best remote I've used in my life.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Apple Menu was one of the great innovations in Mac OS history.  OSX 
>>>>> was another.  Telling me that I shouldn't have the best of both worlds 
>>>>> is rather shortsighted...  I'm not clinging to old technology - I'm 
>>>>> clinging to GOOD technology.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Classic Menu returns a functionality that I use every single time I sit 
>>>>> down at my machine.  Just because Apple fell in love with the Dock 
>>>>> (which I really have absolutely no use for) is no reason to discard one 
>>>>> of the really bright aspects of the old Mac OS.
>>>>> 
>>>>> With a single click, I can literally navigate to any folder or file in 
>>>>> any of the 9 volumes on my system, and related network.  Tell me why I 
>>>>> should give that up?
>>>> 
>>>> You can do that pretty well with the Dock as well you know...
>>> 
>>> You know what *I* know, now do you?
>> 
>> I know what a common figure of speech is...

But apparently you don't....

>> 
>>> 
>>> Then you'd know that I use Dragthing in my workflow, which puts a 
>>> series of popup drawers on the bottom edge of the screen, as well as 
>>> along the right and, sometimes, left side of my screen.  The dock takes 
>>> up real estate I'd rather use for something else.  The Apple menu 
>>> doesn't take up any real estate.
>> 
>> None of that changes what the Dock can DO, now does it?

Well?

>> 
>>> 
>>> But then, you knew that was what I was doing, right?
>> 
>> I had (and in fact still have) no reason to know.
>> 
>> Your contention was (as phrased by YOU) that the Apple menu was 
>> necessary because it could let you look at all your drives in a 
>> hierarchical menu.
>> 
>> Well guess what, sunshine: the Dock can DO that! I do it all the time 
>> with permanent dock "folders" for hard drives and network shares.
> 
> Good for you.  I'm not telling YOU what you should use.  And I never 
> said the Apple menu was "necessary"... just more elegant and 
> convenient.  You're reading something into my words that isn't there.

And I'm not telling YOU what you should use either.

> 
> I never said the dock wouldn't do what you say it does.  I find the 
> dock to be more of a distraction, and I don't find it adds anything I 
> need.  I've found something that I think works better, and fits my 
> workflow.

Terrific. Just don't pretend that the reason you presented is a 
dealbreaker when it isn't.

> 
> What is it about the dock that makes it indispensable?

Nothing. What did I ever say that suggested otherwise?

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#62661

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-07-31 09:29 -0400
Message-ID<lrdgc0$7r9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62652
On 2014-07-31 00:56:24 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:

> On 2014-07-30 21:10:02 +0000, FPP said:
> 
>> On 2014-07-30 20:37:13 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>> 
>>> On 2014-07-30 20:30:32 +0000, FPP said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-07-30 17:34:45 +0000, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-07-30 13:23:41 +0000, FPP said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2014-07-30 01:55:27 +0000, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I never said I CLICKED the green stoplight by mistake.  (Okay... maybe
>>>>>>>> once, or twice.)  What I'm referring to is how the green light
>>>>>>>> FUNCTIONS now.  It no longer makes the window LARGER - it toggles
>>>>>>>> FULLSCREEN.  It didn't used to do that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, and that was pointed out in the keynote.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Great for people who watch keynotes...  I watched one, once.  Since 
>>>>>> Jobs died, I've really had no interest in keynotes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Classic Menu is a small app that returns the hierarchical Apple menu, a
>>>>>>>> la OS9. (It replaces the current Apple logo in the menubar with it's
>>>>>>>> own colored apple.)  Now that Yosemite has made that apple logo a tad
>>>>>>>> smaller, it no longer matches Classic Menu's apple, and it's appearance
>>>>>>>> is jumbled.  (That I can fix by editing the mask resource within the
>>>>>>>> app itself.  Minor annoyance.)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or by not trying to pretend that OS X is OS 9. That's an option.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes... but a dumb option. I have a great universal remote for my home 
>>>>>> entertainment equipment.  Just because I buy a new receiver and 
>>>>>> monitor, should I just stop using it because it's old?  It's old and 
>>>>>> discontinued, but it's still the best remote I've used in my life.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Apple Menu was one of the great innovations in Mac OS history.  OSX 
>>>>>> was another.  Telling me that I shouldn't have the best of both worlds 
>>>>>> is rather shortsighted...  I'm not clinging to old technology - I'm 
>>>>>> clinging to GOOD technology.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Classic Menu returns a functionality that I use every single time I sit 
>>>>>> down at my machine.  Just because Apple fell in love with the Dock 
>>>>>> (which I really have absolutely no use for) is no reason to discard one 
>>>>>> of the really bright aspects of the old Mac OS.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With a single click, I can literally navigate to any folder or file in 
>>>>>> any of the 9 volumes on my system, and related network.  Tell me why I 
>>>>>> should give that up?
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can do that pretty well with the Dock as well you know...
>>>> 
>>>> You know what *I* know, now do you?
>>> 
>>> I know what a common figure of speech is...
> 
> But apparently you don't....

Wait a minute... you don't get away that easy.  For the record, I 
PROOFREAD for a living, and my wife is an English teacher so, yeah, I 
have a passing acquaintance with language usage.  It's NOT a figure of 
speech (metaphor, simile, euphemism, idiom, or hyperbole) it's a 
presumptive statement.  You presumed what I know... and you're dead 
wrong.

I don't use the Dock.  After playing around with it a decade ago, I 
decided I didn't need it.  I give it another shot in every new OS, but 
I've never used it for more than a day or two, so, NO, I don't "well 
know" anything about it.

>>>> Then you'd know that I use Dragthing in my workflow, which puts a 
>>>> series of popup drawers on the bottom edge of the screen, as well as 
>>>> along the right and, sometimes, left side of my screen.  The dock takes 
>>>> up real estate I'd rather use for something else.  The Apple menu 
>>>> doesn't take up any real estate.
>>> 
>>> None of that changes what the Dock can DO, now does it?
> 
> Well?

Again, those are YOUR words.  And I never, EVER said that it did.  Or 
implied it.

>>>> But then, you knew that was what I was doing, right?
>>> 
>>> I had (and in fact still have) no reason to know.
>>> 
>>> Your contention was (as phrased by YOU) that the Apple menu was 
>>> necessary because it could let you look at all your drives in a 
>>> hierarchical menu.
>>> 
>>> Well guess what, sunshine: the Dock can DO that! I do it all the time 
>>> with permanent dock "folders" for hard drives and network shares.
>> 
>> Good for you.  I'm not telling YOU what you should use.  And I never 
>> said the Apple menu was "necessary"... just more elegant and 
>> convenient.  You're reading something into my words that isn't there.
> 
> And I'm not telling YOU what you should use either.
> 
>> 
>> I never said the dock wouldn't do what you say it does.  I find the 
>> dock to be more of a distraction, and I don't find it adds anything I 
>> need.  I've found something that I think works better, and fits my 
>> workflow.
> 
> Terrific. Just don't pretend that the reason you presented is a 
> dealbreaker when it isn't.

You presume an awful lot from an awful little.  I went back and looked 
at all of my posts on the subject.

You're reading something I didn't say.   AGAIN. I never said it was a 
dealbreaker.  I said that I don't find any use for it.  I'd get rid of 
it permanently, if I could.  Since I can't, I minimize it's effects, 
and use what suitable replacements.

Never said it was a "dealbreaker". Never said it, or implied it.  Those 
are YOUR words.

>> What is it about the dock that makes it indispensable?
> 
> Nothing. What did I ever say that suggested otherwise?

Here we disagree.  Actually, it is indispensable… but only because the 
Finder wouldn't work without it, and for it's part in other background 
processes.  Otherwise I WOULD kill it permanently.

You seem to be looking for a fight, and I can't (for the life of me) 
figure out why?
-- 
Amateurs built the ARK.  Professionals built the TITANIC.

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#62664

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-07-31 06:56 -0700
Message-ID<310720140656217518%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#62661
In article <lrdgc0$7r9$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since I can't, I minimize it's effects, and use what suitable
> replacements.

You're a proofreader by profession, and your wife is an English
teacher, so you have a passing acquaintance with language usage, yet
you type "it's" when the correct word is "its"????

Oh, by the way, the fact that you discard the Dock implies that you
well know it, and have made your decision based on that knowledge. 
Otherwise, you're admitting that you decided for reasons other than
knowledge.

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#62665

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-07-31 11:25 -0400
Message-ID<lrdn4c$qdk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62664
On 2014-07-31 13:56:21 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:

> In article <lrdgc0$7r9$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Since I can't, I minimize it's effects, and use what suitable
>> replacements.
> 
> You're a proofreader by profession, and your wife is an English
> teacher, so you have a passing acquaintance with language usage, yet
> you type "it's" when the correct word is "its"????

I've said this about a billion times.  After finishing a 10 hour shift, 
I don't want to spend another minute working when I get home.  And I 
don't WRITE the copy, I READ it.  I almost never proofread my own copy, 
not for free, anyway  :-)

I'm not a proofreader, by profession.  I proofread for a living, yes... 
but it's only a part of the pre-press/platemaking process.  It's not 
strictly for content, but more for color break, as well as typography.

That being said I sure as shit know what a "common figure of speech" 
is...  and "as well you know" is a direct statement, and an incorrect 
one at that.

> Oh, by the way, the fact that you discard the Dock implies that you
> well know it, and have made your decision based on that knowledge.

Where is it implied?  Implying is stating something indirectly. You 
*inferred* something...  I decided not to use Microsoft WORD a long 
time ago.  Does that imply that I know it well?  Not really... but I 
know it well enough to know that I can do everything I need to do 
without it.

> Otherwise, you're admitting that you decided for reasons other than
> knowledge.

I know enough to make an informed decision, and that's all that's 
required.  When I needed to change newsreaders for Mavericks, I test 
drove just about all of them.  When I got to Unison 2, I took one look 
at the font size, and dismissed it out of hand.

Once I found out for sure that I couldn't change the font size, I 
didn't NEED to know any more about it.  It was all the knowledge 
required to make an informed decision. After I had two kids, I didn't 
even bother to look at two seater sports cars anymore, either.

I know enough about the dock to know that any functionality I might 
need can be provided more efficiently by other means.  Dragthing alone 
does just about everything the dock can do, and is infinitely more 
customizable than the dock.
-- 
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits.

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#62666

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2014-07-31 16:31 +0100
Message-ID<310720141631246482%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#62665
In article <lrdn4c$qdk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2014-07-31 13:56:21 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:

> > You're a proofreader by profession, and your wife is an English
> > teacher, so you have a passing acquaintance with language usage, yet
> > you type "it's" when the correct word is "its"????
> 
> I've said this about a billion times.  After finishing a 10 hour shift, 
> I don't want to spend another minute working when I get home.  And I 
> don't WRITE the copy, I READ it.  I almost never proofread my own copy, 
> not for free, anyway  :-)

But you write your own posts, don't you, eh?

> -- 
> The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
> limits.

There, fixed that .sig for you.

-- 
"People don't buy Microsoft for quality, they buy it for compatibility
with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy
Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc

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#62669

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-07-31 12:17 -0400
Message-ID<lrdq6k$h2h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62666
On 2014-07-31 15:31:24 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:

> In article <lrdn4c$qdk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-07-31 13:56:21 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:
> 
>> > You're a proofreader by profession, and your wife is an English
>> > teacher, so you have a passing acquaintance with language usage, yet
>> > you type "it's" when the correct word is "its"????
>> 
>> I've said this about a billion times.  After finishing a 10 hour shift, 
>> I don't want to spend another minute working when I get home.  And I 
>> don't WRITE the copy, I READ it.  I almost never proofread my own copy, 
>> not for free, anyway  :-)
> 
> But you write your own posts, don't you, eh?
> 
>> --
>> The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
>> limits.
> 
> There, fixed that .sig for you.

Thanks...
-- 
“The two most common elements in the Universe are Hydrogen and 
stupidity… and I'm not sure about Hydrogen” -Ellison

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#62681

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2014-07-31 14:39 -0700
Message-ID<2014073114392878150-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to#62669
On 2014-07-31 16:17:24 +0000, FPP said:

> On 2014-07-31 15:31:24 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
> 
>> In article <lrdn4c$qdk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2014-07-31 13:56:21 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:
>> 
>>>> You're a proofreader by profession, and your wife is an English
>>>> teacher, so you have a passing acquaintance with language usage, yet
>>>> you type "it's" when the correct word is "its"????
>>> 
>>> I've said this about a billion times.  After finishing a 10 hour shift, 
>>> I don't want to spend another minute working when I get home.  And I 
>>> don't WRITE the copy, I READ it.  I almost never proofread my own copy, 
>>> not for free, anyway  :-)
>> 
>> But you write your own posts, don't you, eh?
>> 
>>> The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
>>> limits.
>> 
>> There, fixed that .sig for you.
> 
> Thanks...

“The two most common elements in the Universe are Hydrogen and 
stupidity… and I'm not sure about Hydrogen” -Ellison

Say, why did Ellison capitalize universe and hydrogen?

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#62697

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-08-01 03:01 -0400
Message-ID<lrfe03$8uj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62681
On 2014-07-31 17:39:28 -0400, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:

> On 2014-07-31 16:17:24 +0000, FPP said:
> 
>> On 2014-07-31 15:31:24 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
>> 
>>> In article <lrdn4c$qdk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-07-31 13:56:21 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:
>>> 
>>>>> You're a proofreader by profession, and your wife is an English
>>>>> teacher, so you have a passing acquaintance with language usage, yet
>>>>> you type "it's" when the correct word is "its"????
>>>> 
>>>> I've said this about a billion times.  After finishing a 10 hour shift, 
>>>> I don't want to spend another minute working when I get home.  And I 
>>>> don't WRITE the copy, I READ it.  I almost never proofread my own copy, 
>>>> not for free, anyway  :-)
>>> 
>>> But you write your own posts, don't you, eh?
>>> 
>>>> The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
>>>> limits.
>>> 
>>> There, fixed that .sig for you.
>> 
>> Thanks...
> 
> “The two most common elements in the Universe are Hydrogen and 
> stupidity… and I'm not sure about Hydrogen” -Ellison
> 
> Say, why did Ellison capitalize universe and hydrogen?

Maybe he copied it from the same place I did...  :-)
-- 
"Don't Believe Everything You Read on the Internet" -Albert Einstein

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#62741

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-08-01 15:51 +0000
Message-ID<slrnltnds4.1to1.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#62681
Okay, so one time? In band camp? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> was all, like: 
 --> 	 Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:39:28 -0700 <2014073114392878150-xxx@yyyzzz>
> On 2014-07-31 16:17:24 +0000, FPP said:

>> On 2014-07-31 15:31:24 +0000, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
>> 
>>> In article <lrdn4c$qdk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2014-07-31 13:56:21 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:
>>> 
>>>>> You're a proofreader by profession, and your wife is an English
>>>>> teacher, so you have a passing acquaintance with language usage, yet
>>>>> you type "it's" when the correct word is "its"????
>>>> 
>>>> I've said this about a billion times.  After finishing a 10 hour shift, 
>>>> I don't want to spend another minute working when I get home.  And I 
>>>> don't WRITE the copy, I READ it.  I almost never proofread my own copy, 
>>>> not for free, anyway  :-)
>>> 
>>> But you write your own posts, don't you, eh?
>>> 
>>>> The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its
>>>> limits.
>>> 
>>> There, fixed that .sig for you.
>> 
>> Thanks...

> “The two most common elements in the Universe are Hydrogen and 
> stupidity… and I'm not sure about Hydrogen” -Ellison

> Say, why did Ellison capitalize universe and hydrogen?

I would say that when talking about the element itself, you use caps,
when talking about it generally as a gas, you don't.

So, "We need hydrogen to power this reaction because Hydrogen has yadda
yadda yadda..."

Much like "The Earth is composed of molten metals, a hard crust a few
miles think, and a soft layer of soil (or earth) composed mostly of
degraded biological matter" or something.

-- 
They say whisky'll kill you, but I don't think it will I'm ridin' with
you to the top of the hill

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#62687

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-07-31 19:18 -0700
Message-ID<310720141918027728%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#62665
In article <lrdn4c$qdk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Since I can't, I minimize it's effects, and use what suitable
> >> replacements.
> > 
> > You're a proofreader by profession, and your wife is an English
> > teacher, so you have a passing acquaintance with language usage, yet
> > you type "it's" when the correct word is "its"????
> 
> I've said this about a billion times.  After finishing a 10 hour shift, 
> I don't want to spend another minute working when I get home.  And I 
> don't WRITE the copy, I READ it.  I almost never proofread my own copy, 
> not for free, anyway  :-)

You do realize that I was teasing you, don't you?  ;)

> That being said I sure as shit know what a "common figure of speech" 
> is...  and "as well you know" is a direct statement, and an incorrect 
> one at that.

It is both a direct statement, and in some parts of the country, it is
a figure of speech.

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#62699

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-08-01 03:31 -0400
Message-ID<lrffoh$jko$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62687
On 2014-07-31 22:18:02 -0400, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:

> In article <lrdn4c$qdk$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> Since I can't, I minimize it's effects, and use what suitable
>>>> replacements.
>>> 
>>> You're a proofreader by profession, and your wife is an English
>>> teacher, so you have a passing acquaintance with language usage, yet
>>> you type "it's" when the correct word is "its"????
>> 
>> I've said this about a billion times.  After finishing a 10 hour shift,
>> I don't want to spend another minute working when I get home.  And I
>> don't WRITE the copy, I READ it.  I almost never proofread my own copy,
>> not for free, anyway  :-)
> 
> You do realize that I was teasing you, don't you?  ;)

Sometimes we take things TOO literally - but that's a function of the job.

You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color 
correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...

http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png

(Square A and B are exactly the same color).

There are a series of optical illusions that probe just how easy it is 
to see something that's not there - or gloss over huge glaring things 
that are.  Proofing is sometimes more Zen than not.  You can get into a 
weird trance like state after a while.

http://www.moillusions.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Sharp_Mind_Illusion_1.jpg

How many people really look at something like the "Amazon" logo, and 
will actually notice that the little "smiley" arrow is actually 
pointing out that they carry everything from A to Z?

I was reading an item that I'd read regularly, at least once every 
couple of months, for at the last ten years.  I was daydreaming while 
copychecking it one day, and caught a misspelling that I (and everybody 
else) had missed for years.

It was an ingredient in a cosmetic product, so it's not like you'd ever 
see it in your daily life...  "TETRADIBUTYL PENTAERITHRITYL 
HYDROXYHYDROCINNAMATE", I think.

So, yeah... "it's" sometimes slips by...

-- 
"Primitive life is very common, and intelligent life is fairly rare. 
Some would say it has yet to occur on Earth.” -Hawking

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#62723

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-08-01 08:25 -0700
Message-ID<010820140825000920%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#62699
In article <lrffoh$jko$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color 
> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
> 
> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
> 
> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).

The shadow knows.

Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".

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#62729

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-08-01 11:33 -0400
Message-ID<lrgc04$jfq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#62723
On 2014-08-01 15:25:00 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:

> In article <lrffoh$jko$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>> 
>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>> 
>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
> 
> The shadow knows.
> 
> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".

I've seen the same words, but done up in a triangle, with the double 
words at the end of one line and the beginning of another.

For some reason, it makes it a lot harder to spot.
-- 
Every day, computers are making people easier to use.

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#62788

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2014-08-01 11:52 -0700
Message-ID<lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#62723
On 2014-08-01 15:25:00 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <lrffoh$jko$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>> 
>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>> 
>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
> 
> The shadow knows.
> 
> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".

And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion 
is WRONG.

A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.

(FPP, go use one of those "useless" tools that come with Mac OS X and 
see for yourself: DigitalColor Meter; you can't erase that, either.)

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#62790

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-08-01 14:56 -0400
Message-ID<010820141456458957%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#62788
In article <lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> >> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
> >> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
> >> 
> >> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
> >> 
> >> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
> > 
> > The shadow knows.
> > 
> > Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
> 
> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion 
> is WRONG.
> 
> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.

yes they are.

> (FPP, go use one of those "useless" tools that come with Mac OS X and 
> see for yourself: DigitalColor Meter; you can't erase that, either.)

digitalcolor meter says {120,120,120} for both.

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#62795

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2014-08-01 12:01 -0700
Message-ID<lrgo5r$5vm$3@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#62790
On 2014-08-01 18:56:45 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <lrgnln$5is$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> You'd be surprised at what people miss when copy checking and color
>>>> correcting.  The human brain is a strange thing...
>>>> 
>>>> http://brainden.com/images/same-color-illusion-big.png
>>>> 
>>>> (Square A and B are exactly the same color).
>>> 
>>> The shadow knows.
>>> 
>>> Oh, I readily caught the redundant "the" and "you".
>> 
>> And in back in real life, that particular illustration of that illusion
>> is WRONG.
>> 
>> A and B are NOT exactly the same colour.
> 
> yes they are.

No, they are not.

> 
>> (FPP, go use one of those "useless" tools that come with Mac OS X and
>> see for yourself: DigitalColor Meter; you can't erase that, either.)
> 
> digitalcolor meter says {120,120,120} for both.

Look further. The entire B square is {120,120,120}, but only one corner 
of the A square is that colour.

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