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| Started by | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| First post | 2014-06-19 11:18 -0400 |
| Last post | 2014-06-27 18:26 +1000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 160 — 16 participants |
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Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 11:18 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-06-19 11:25 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 11:31 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-06-19 11:44 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 11:51 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:24 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 12:49 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:10 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 13:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 17:39 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-19 22:24 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 19:32 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:08 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 21:56 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-19 21:59 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-20 12:05 +1000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 00:15 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:00 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-20 00:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 22:03 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-20 00:23 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 00:07 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 21:56 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 23:18 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 07:49 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:26 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:01 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 16:14 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:53 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 22:54 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:41 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:46 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:51 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 22:05 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:33 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-21 16:48 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:27 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 19:39 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-19 12:44 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-20 09:28 +1200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 09:27 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:30 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-21 15:12 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-19 23:47 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-19 20:00 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-20 17:09 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:39 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:32 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-19 18:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-19 18:29 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-19 21:54 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 02:29 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:28 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 19:34 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-20 15:59 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 20:06 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:26 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 07:52 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:05 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-20 16:48 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 08:57 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 08:45 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 18:08 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:12 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-20 09:27 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 10:36 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-22 16:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 17:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-22 20:24 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-22 17:24 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-22 23:15 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:39 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-23 08:00 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-23 08:09 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:43 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-24 15:35 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-23 08:42 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-23 14:41 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-24 07:46 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-24 12:06 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-24 18:40 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-25 03:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-25 07:19 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-25 21:16 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 06:52 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 15:59 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 17:25 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-26 22:45 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-26 20:47 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 01:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-27 06:43 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-20 17:50 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 09:15 +0200
Re: Unwanted Focus switches Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 09:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-25 07:21 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-06-25 07:41 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 17:25 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-06-25 18:34 +0100
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-25 14:51 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 19:55 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-25 15:04 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-25 15:32 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-25 20:02 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 12:22 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-26 17:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-26 19:08 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 04:41 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-27 04:48 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 08:20 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-27 22:04 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-27 06:36 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 10:34 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-29 15:11 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 01:59 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 08:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-27 07:59 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-27 22:08 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:11 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-28 22:22 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-29 14:46 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 13:01 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 20:36 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 13:46 -0700
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 23:13 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 21:54 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-29 21:40 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-30 02:12 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-30 02:27 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-30 13:52 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-30 19:51 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-30 16:07 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-01 02:52 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-01 15:08 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-01 13:16 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-01 08:19 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-01 15:12 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-27 04:19 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-28 16:10 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-28 20:35 +0000
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-26 14:42 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-26 22:03 -0400
Re: Unwanted Focus switches -- culprit trapped dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-27 18:26 +1000
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 16:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lo4d0e$com$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #61306 |
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> writes:
> Suddenly, unbidden ...
>
> 1. The window RYG lights go grey.
> 2. The 'bonging' sounds reply to each key (dude: that data goin' nowhere)
> 3. The app I'm in remains the foreground (menu bar) app.
>
> I did not launch anything. I was just typing away ...
>
> It's very plausible that something else has launched - but why does my
> app remain the FG app (named in menu bar)?
Here are, for example, some programs that cause this to happen, just as
you've described -
Bartender
UTC Global Clock
MoonMenu
I'm sure there's a name for this function, but I don't know what it is.
Maybe the output of 'ps -ax' would produce a clue.
Billy Y..
--
sub #'9+1 ,r0 ; convert ascii byte
add #9.+1 ,r0 ; to an integer
bcc 20$ ; not a number
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lo4dqu$nfh$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #61324 |
> Maybe the output of 'ps -ax' would produce a clue.
Got interrupted and missed saying that my three examples
are run at startup, so it's not likely the Python script
is going to catch one when it grabs input focus.
Billy Y..
--
sub #'9+1 ,r0 ; convert ascii byte
add #9.+1 ,r0 ; to an integer
bcc 20$ ; not a number
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 08:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <l7lf7b-vn4.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #61151 |
On 2014-06-19, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: > > I've seen focus-stealing in Windows and Unix [and, despite the > previous sentence, in Mac OSX] when a background process, like a very > large copy or move, encounters a problem or ends. That sort of > attention grabbing behaviour, though, would be expected. I don't think > I've seen it happen without a reasonable and obvious cause. Some applications seem to be better behaved than others here. OS X gives me problems in two main areas here: 1. I have Terminal set to start up during login, and I use its Window Group feature to bring up several Terminal windows. My first action once those windows appear is to perform a couple of ssh logins. Unfortunately other startup items can and do seize focus and either part of an ssh command or part of the subsequent password disappears into a black hole. Yes I can wait until all apps have started before starting my ssh logins, but that slows me down. 2. I use Hazel to perform actions on files arriving from other systems. Hazel is currently set to open downloaded PDFs and give them focus. This is fine for PDFs which come down quickly, but sometimes they take an age and I am usually doing something else when they gain focus. There is also the OS X behaviour where a background app bounces its Dock icon when it requires attention. The App Store version of Numbers is a culprit here. It takes long enough to fire up that I usually launch it then do something else, and the bouncing Dock icon starts to annoy me when it presents the template chooser. I really wish it didn't do that. Amadeus Pro has a better approach here. When launched by double clicking on a large sound file it quietly gets on with the job of opening and reading the file (which can take a minute or more for large files) and issues a notification once complete. At no point does it steal focus, but it does let you know when its ready for work. -- You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 17:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlqbels.18h4.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #61286 |
In message <l7lf7b-vn4.ln1@news.chingola.ch> Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On 2014-06-19, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: >> >> I've seen focus-stealing in Windows and Unix [and, despite the >> previous sentence, in Mac OSX] when a background process, like a very >> large copy or move, encounters a problem or ends. That sort of >> attention grabbing behaviour, though, would be expected. I don't think >> I've seen it happen without a reasonable and obvious cause. > Some applications seem to be better behaved than others here. OS X gives > me problems in two main areas here: > 1. I have Terminal set to start up during login, and I use its Window Group > feature to bring up several Terminal windows. My first action once those > windows appear is to perform a couple of ssh logins. Unfortunately other > startup items can and do seize focus and either part of an ssh command > or part of the subsequent password disappears into a black hole. Yes I > can wait until all apps have started before starting my ssh logins, but > that slows me down. You can also set those windows to execute the ssh commands you want without typing them. > 2. I use Hazel to perform actions on files arriving from other systems. > Hazel is currently set to open downloaded PDFs and give them focus. This > is fine for PDFs which come down quickly, but sometimes they take an age > and I am usually doing something else when they gain focus. So, sometimes the behavior you want is the behavior you don't want? > There is also the OS X behaviour where a background app bounces its Dock > icon when it requires attention. The App Store version of Numbers is a > culprit here. It takes long enough to fire up that I usually launch it > then do something else, and the bouncing Dock icon starts to annoy me > when it presents the template chooser. I really wish it didn't do that. Turn off the template chooser. These all sound self-inflicted to me. -- This wasn't a proper land. The sky was blue, not flaming with all the colours of the aurora. And time was passing. To a creature not born subject to time, it was a sensation not unakin to falling. --Lords and Ladies
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 19:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <risg7b-j761.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #61326 |
On 2014-06-21, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <l7lf7b-vn4.ln1@news.chingola.ch> > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: >> On 2014-06-19, John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote: >>> >>> I've seen focus-stealing in Windows and Unix [and, despite the >>> previous sentence, in Mac OSX] when a background process, like a very >>> large copy or move, encounters a problem or ends. That sort of >>> attention grabbing behaviour, though, would be expected. I don't think >>> I've seen it happen without a reasonable and obvious cause. > >> Some applications seem to be better behaved than others here. OS X gives >> me problems in two main areas here: > >> 1. I have Terminal set to start up during login, and I use its Window Group >> feature to bring up several Terminal windows. My first action once those >> windows appear is to perform a couple of ssh logins. Unfortunately other >> startup items can and do seize focus and either part of an ssh command >> or part of the subsequent password disappears into a black hole. Yes I >> can wait until all apps have started before starting my ssh logins, but >> that slows me down. > > You can also set those windows to execute the ssh commands you want > without typing them. Thanks. I'll look into that. >> 2. I use Hazel to perform actions on files arriving from other systems. >> Hazel is currently set to open downloaded PDFs and give them focus. This >> is fine for PDFs which come down quickly, but sometimes they take an age >> and I am usually doing something else when they gain focus. > > So, sometimes the behavior you want is the behavior you don't want? Yep. :-) >> There is also the OS X behaviour where a background app bounces its Dock >> icon when it requires attention. The App Store version of Numbers is a >> culprit here. It takes long enough to fire up that I usually launch it >> then do something else, and the bouncing Dock icon starts to annoy me >> when it presents the template chooser. I really wish it didn't do that. > > Turn off the template chooser. Done. I wouldn't mind it coming up if it didn't nag by bouncing in the Dock... > These all sound self-inflicted to me. It's one of those cases where the act of formulating the problem(s) in words was sufficient to make me realise what needs to be done. Sending notifications from the command line for the files arriving from other systems is a solution which looks good. -- You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 12:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53a31364$0$10317$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #61121 |
On 14-06-19 11:18, Alan Browne wrote: > > Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome > address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of > the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the > menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as > I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. Happens often in iPhoto when I enter the "description" text. For some reason, that app requires the mouse to REMAIN in the text field for it to continue to receive keystroke events. I think what happens is that after I have clicked into the field, I may be moving mouse away as my hands switch to keyboard.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-20 09:28 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <200620140928468708%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #61132 |
In article <53a31364$0$10317$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-06-19 11:18, Alan Browne wrote: > > > > Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome > > address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of > > the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the > > menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as > > I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. > > Happens often in iPhoto when I enter the "description" text. For some > reason, that app requires the mouse to REMAIN in the text field for it > to continue to receive keystroke events. I think what happens is that > after I have clicked into the field, I may be moving mouse away as my > hands switch to keyboard. If it's Apple's Magic Mouse, then when moving the mouse you might be accidently "clicking" again outside the text box. This re-focusing isn't new though. I'm stil using Mac OS X 10.2 and when logging on to the Internet I usually click on Eudora and Firefox in the Dock. I might start typing an email, click on Thoth in the Dock and then go back to the email while Thoth loads. Despite having clicked back into the email window, Thoth (or whatever other application I open) will insist on keep throwing its windows up over the top.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 17:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190620141750256906%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61146 |
In article <200620140928468708%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > This re-focusing isn't new though. I'm stil using Mac OS X 10.2 and > when logging on to the Internet I usually click on Eudora and Firefox > in the Dock. I might start typing an email, click on Thoth in the Dock > and then go back to the email while Thoth loads. Despite having clicked > back into the email window, Thoth (or whatever other application I > open) will insist on keep throwing its windows up over the top. bingo.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-20 09:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2014062009272824152-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #61147 |
On 2014-06-19 21:50:25 +0000, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said: > In article <200620140928468708%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >> This re-focusing isn't new though. I'm stil using Mac OS X 10.2 and >> when logging on to the Internet I usually click on Eudora and Firefox >> in the Dock. I might start typing an email, click on Thoth in the Dock >> and then go back to the email while Thoth loads. Despite having clicked >> back into the email window, Thoth (or whatever other application I >> open) will insist on keep throwing its windows up over the top. > > bingo. That sounds like an issue with Throth rather than the OS. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <200620141317131299%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61203 |
In article <2014062009272824152-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >> This re-focusing isn't new though. I'm stil using Mac OS X 10.2 and
> >> when logging on to the Internet I usually click on Eudora and Firefox
> >> in the Dock. I might start typing an email, click on Thoth in the Dock
> >> and then go back to the email while Thoth loads. Despite having clicked
> >> back into the email window, Thoth (or whatever other application I
> >> open) will insist on keep throwing its windows up over the top.
> >
> > bingo.
>
> That sounds like an issue with Throth rather than the OS.
nope, because it can happen to any app.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 08:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <hclf7b-vn4.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #61203 |
On 2014-06-20, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2014-06-19 21:50:25 +0000, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:
>
>> In article <200620140928468708%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This re-focusing isn't new though. I'm stil using Mac OS X 10.2 and
>>> when logging on to the Internet I usually click on Eudora and Firefox
>>> in the Dock. I might start typing an email, click on Thoth in the Dock
>>> and then go back to the email while Thoth loads. Despite having clicked
>>> back into the email window, Thoth (or whatever other application I
>>> open) will insist on keep throwing its windows up over the top.
>>
>> bingo.
>
> That sounds like an issue with Throth rather than the OS.
Agreed. As I just mentioned in another post, Amadeus Pro doesn't do that.
--
You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 15:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53a5d912$0$10284$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #61287 |
On 14-06-21 02:30, Paul Sture wrote: > Agreed. As I just mentioned in another post, Amadeus Pro doesn't do that. I think this is the crux of the problem. It appears that focus switchng is not uniformly enforced by the OS, it is something left up to applications which results in "unpredictable" behaviour depending on what apps you use. There are some advantage to letting each app decide how to handle focus. But there are perhaps more disadvantages due to non-uniform behaviour.
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 23:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lnvspk$kva$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #61146 |
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> writes:
> This re-focusing isn't new though. I'm stil using Mac OS X 10.2 and
> when logging on to the Internet I usually click on Eudora and Firefox
> in the Dock. I might start typing an email, click on Thoth in the Dock
> and then go back to the email while Thoth loads. Despite having clicked
> back into the email window, Thoth (or whatever other application I
> open) will insist on keep throwing its windows up over the top.
This has nothing to do with the bug Alan Browne's reporting.
It's also the expected behaviour.
If that's not to your liking, launch whatever like this -
open -a -g whatever
Billy Y..
--
sub #'9+1 ,r0 ; convert ascii byte
add #9.+1 ,r0 ; to an integer
bcc 20$ ; not a number
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 20:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190620142000466115%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61153 |
In article <lnvspk$kva$1@reader2.panix.com>, <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > > This re-focusing isn't new though. I'm stil using Mac OS X 10.2 and > > when logging on to the Internet I usually click on Eudora and Firefox > > in the Dock. I might start typing an email, click on Thoth in the Dock > > and then go back to the email while Thoth loads. Despite having clicked > > back into the email window, Thoth (or whatever other application I > > open) will insist on keep throwing its windows up over the top. > > This has nothing to do with the bug Alan Browne's reporting. actually it's the exact same issue. > It's also the expected behaviour. no it is not. if the user switches to another app, they expect to be using that app without any interruption. another app forcing itself forward is *not* expected. > If that's not to your liking, launch whatever like this - > > open -a -g whatever that doesn't actually fix anything because the interruption can still occur and needing to resort to the command line to launch an app is a failure anyway.
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-06-20 17:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lo1ps9$9st$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #61155 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes, quoting me:
> > open -a -g whatever
> and needing to resort to the command line to launch an app is a
> failure anyway.
So script it, copy the program's icon to it if that makes it easy to
find, stick it in the dock, or where ever, and you're done - problem
solved.
Billy Y..
--
sub #'9+1 ,r0 ; convert ascii byte
add #9.+1 ,r0 ; to an integer
bcc 20$ ; not a number
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-20 13:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <200620141317141404%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #61211 |
In article <lo1ps9$9st$1@reader2.panix.com>, <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > > > open -a -g whatever > > > and needing to resort to the command line to launch an app is a > > failure anyway. > > So script it, copy the program's icon to it if that makes it easy to > find, stick it in the dock, or where ever, and you're done - problem > solved. it doesn't solve a thing.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 08:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <hulf7b-vn4.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #61211 |
On 2014-06-20, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes, quoting me: > >> > open -a -g whatever > >> and needing to resort to the command line to launch an app is a >> failure anyway. > > So script it, copy the program's icon to it if that makes it easy to > find, stick it in the dock, or where ever, and you're done - problem > solved. And if you are writing a script you can send a message via Notification Center from the command line. 2 seconds worth of searching brought me the following from Stack Overflow: Either install terminal-notifier (which is a Ruby gem) or use AppleScript: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11777962/command-line-utility-to-send-notifications-to-notification-center-in-mountain-li> -- You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-21 08:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ihlf7b-vn4.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #61153 |
On 2014-06-19, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> writes: > >> This re-focusing isn't new though. I'm stil using Mac OS X 10.2 and >> when logging on to the Internet I usually click on Eudora and Firefox >> in the Dock. I might start typing an email, click on Thoth in the Dock >> and then go back to the email while Thoth loads. Despite having clicked >> back into the email window, Thoth (or whatever other application I >> open) will insist on keep throwing its windows up over the top. > > This has nothing to do with the bug Alan Browne's reporting. > It's also the expected behaviour. > > If that's not to your liking, launch whatever like this - > > open -a -g whatever This one makes life _a lot_ easier. -- You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 18:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlq6aeh.nj.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #61121 |
In message <L8ednfYEBIHKYj_OnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome > address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of > the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the > menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as > I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. > Irritating. > I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. There are many possibilities. What I find is that sometimes a dialog has popped up, I've not seen it, but I've kept typing, dismissing the dialog and then leaving the window I was in inactive. Accidentally hitting command-` happens to me on occasions as well. Another application coming forward for some reason. -- Knowledge, information, power, words... flying through the air, invisible... And suddenly the world was tap-dancing on quicksand. In that case, the prize went to the best dancer. --The Fifth Elephant
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| From | Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-06-19 18:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <myoaxocqs7.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU> |
| In reply to | #61121 |
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> writes: > Occasionally I'm typing away (say here or in Excel or Word or the Chrome > address/searchbar or whatever) and the focus switches suddenly out of > the window that I'm in. The app I'm in remains the front app (on the > menu bar) but the RYG 'lights' go off and then there are error bings as > I continue typing. Have to mouse back into where I was to continue. > > Irritating. > > I'm pretty sure I'm not causing it by hitting a modifier key. > > Does this happen to anyone else? Any causes known? I see this sort of thing a few times every day while I'm using X11, often when I'm not typing or touching anything. I don't recall ever seeing this happen when I was using an app other than X11. As you say, the RYG lights go off and if I'm typing at the time, an error bong occurs for each key typed. X11 continues to be the app listed in the Menubar, but no other X11 window gets its RYG lights turned on. The cursor stays where it was (in my current X11 window). No windows are raised or lowered. If I wait about 6-8 seconds, the focus comes back, the RYG lights go back on, and the cursor in the X11 window becomes solid again (instead of an outline). I can short circuit the 6-8 second wait by clicking in my window to get the focus back immediately. This is under Mavericks but was happening in at least Mountain Lion, Snow Leopard and Leopard (and maybe before Leopard as well). I mentioned it here years ago. Martin
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