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Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal

Started byDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
First post2014-06-03 16:52 +0000
Last post2014-06-03 16:58 +0000
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  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-03 16:52 +0000
    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-03 12:56 -0400
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-03 19:35 +0000
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-04 16:15 +0000
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-05 08:36 +1000
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-04 19:25 -0700
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 15:05 +1200
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 03:47 +0000
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-05 17:45 +0000
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-05 20:06 +0200
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-05 20:09 +0200
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 15:25 +0000
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-07 10:58 +1000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-07 08:38 +0000
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-08 09:41 +1000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 15:55 +0000
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-07 23:10 +0200
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-06 08:28 +1000
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 02:14 +0000
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-07 02:54 +1200
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 15:34 +0000
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-05 17:38 -0400
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 16:03 +0000
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 08:25 -0400
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 16:32 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-08 16:05 +1200
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 17:00 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-09 13:49 +1200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 21:27 -0500
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-09 15:46 +1200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 00:56 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-09 18:39 +1200
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-09 06:17 -0700
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:58 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-09 11:02 -0700
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-10 09:49 +1200
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-09 18:47 -0400
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-10 14:07 +1200
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 02:17 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-10 02:03 -0400
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-10 07:23 -0700
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-10 22:28 -0500
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:21 -0400
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-10 18:09 -0400
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 17:17 +0000
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-11 15:00 -0400
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:30 -0400
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 22:22 +0000
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:33 -0400
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-12 10:23 +1000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-09 20:39 -0500
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-10 07:21 -0700
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-11 08:51 +1000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:37 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-09 20:34 -0500
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-10 08:27 -0500
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-10 14:49 -0400
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-10 14:20 -0500
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-10 22:25 -0500
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 05:20 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:53 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 17:48 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 08:48 +0200
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:17 -0400
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 17:17 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 19:58 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 22:29 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 12:09 -0500
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-08 19:34 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 19:59 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-08 20:03 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-09 12:47 +1200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:00 -0400
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:30 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 02:39 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 18:14 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-06-09 13:59 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 16:35 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 18:53 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 15:58 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 18:15 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-09 14:52 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-10 11:11 +1000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:06 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-10 18:43 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 12:55 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:14 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:05 -0400
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 05:16 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:05 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 18:32 +0200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:18 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-10 18:40 +0200
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 15:46 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 17:02 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:26 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-10 10:09 -0700
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-10 12:13 -0500
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-10 10:46 -0700
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 15:55 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-10 18:25 +0100
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 19:56 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-10 21:53 +0100
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-11 09:27 -0700
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 19:29 +0000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-11 16:10 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 12:08 -0500
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 19:28 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 16:53 -0500
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 17:04 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 19:26 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:02 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 22:29 +0200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:50 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 22:55 +0200
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 16:54 -0500
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-09 12:47 +1200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:33 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:35 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 19:57 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 22:29 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 18:11 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 20:31 +0200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 17:16 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 18:48 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 17:25 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 19:39 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-06-09 15:49 -0400
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 22:06 +0200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 17:53 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-10 19:59 +0200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 22:40 +0200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-10 07:20 -0700
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 17:41 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-10 12:48 -0500
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:39 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:53 +0000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 22:38 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-11 19:35 +0200
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-11 17:39 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-11 13:42 -0400
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-11 18:09 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-12 20:24 -0400
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-11 09:33 +1000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 02:43 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-11 03:05 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 03:47 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 16:55 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-11 17:23 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 19:30 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-12 00:22 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-12 00:46 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 19:26 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:28 -0400
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:24 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 22:32 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:29 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2014-06-11 16:35 -0500
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-11 22:40 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-12 03:42 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-12 19:47 +1200
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-12 18:28 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-12 22:11 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:37 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-11 23:11 +0100
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-11 22:44 +0000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-11 17:18 -0700
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-12 14:36 +1200
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-12 02:44 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-12 19:44 +1200
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-12 16:04 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-13 09:40 +1200
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-13 09:10 +1000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-13 17:26 +0000
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 12:51 +1200
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 11:13 +1000
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 15:24 +1200
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 14:13 +1000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 19:47 +1200
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 18:24 +1000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 20:55 +1200
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 19:25 +1000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 23:03 +1200
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 23:43 +1000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 18:09 +0000
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 17:02 +0000
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 18:52 +0000
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 19:04 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 21:45 +0000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 23:00 +0000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 00:03 +0000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-14 23:01 -0500
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 04:24 +0000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-15 00:38 -0400
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 16:18 +1000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-15 18:28 +1200
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 18:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 17:41 +0000
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-15 12:25 +1200
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-11 20:33 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-12 02:34 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-12 00:47 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-11 09:34 -0700
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-12 20:24 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-12 18:51 -0700
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-13 00:14 -0500
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-13 02:44 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-13 18:04 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-13 14:16 -0400
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-13 13:49 -0500
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-13 19:21 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 12:51 +1200
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 02:18 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 15:24 +1200
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 04:44 +0000
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 19:47 +1200
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 15:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 19:53 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-15 12:25 +1200
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 19:41 +0000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-16 15:19 +1200
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-16 17:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-16 18:11 +0100
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-16 17:19 +0000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-16 17:28 +0000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 17:46 -0400
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 17:29 +0000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-17 09:12 +1200
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-16 17:39 -0400
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-17 16:45 +0000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-17 09:12 +1200
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-14 07:49 -0400
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-13 22:01 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 09:12 +1000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 11:54 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-14 15:04 +0100
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 14:13 +0000
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-14 15:35 +0100
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 15:31 +0000
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-14 17:42 +0100
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 16:54 +0000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-14 18:06 +0100
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 18:01 +0000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 10:33 +1000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 18:57 +0000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 18:39 +0000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 10:40 +1000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 00:57 +0000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 12:56 +1000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 04:37 +0000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 16:15 +1000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 07:48 +0000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 19:30 +1000
                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 10:05 +0000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 18:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 10:30 +1000
                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-16 15:51 +0000
                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-17 08:11 +1000
                                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-17 13:53 +0000
                                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 09:10 +1000
                                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-18 00:06 +0000
                                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 10:27 +1000
                                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-18 01:02 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 17:15 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-18 08:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 19:29 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-18 13:11 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 23:34 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-19 10:51 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-19 21:31 +1000
                                                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-19 21:08 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-20 12:02 +1000
                                                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-21 15:00 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-22 08:53 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-18 12:12 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 23:09 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-18 18:38 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-19 08:37 +1000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 10:35 +1000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 07:55 +0000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 22:07 +1000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 13:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 10:12 +1000
                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 05:34 +0000
                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 17:51 +1000
                                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 15:10 +0000
                                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-16 15:18 +0000
                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 07:33 -0400
                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 23:03 +1000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 17:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 10:21 +1000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 10:16 +1000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 07:44 +0000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-15 09:31 +0100
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 09:51 +0000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-15 13:17 +0100
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 13:49 +0000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 19:19 +1000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 09:59 +0000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 08:09 +1000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 23:17 +0000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 10:47 +1000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 10:10 +0000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 20:36 +1000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 15:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-16 12:22 +0100
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 15:46 +0000
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 19:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 21:53 +0000
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 10:00 +1000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 07:42 +0000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 18:27 +1000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 09:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 19:59 +0000
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 19:29 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-13 18:17 -0500
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 02:14 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 15:24 +1200
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 11:55 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 19:13 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-14 07:47 -0400
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 19:22 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-16 17:09 -0400
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 18:49 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 19:01 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-15 07:27 -0400
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 19:28 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-16 17:08 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-14 02:36 -0400
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 09:32 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 16:27 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 12:51 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:15 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:32 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 15:44 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 18:30 +0200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:53 -0400
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-09 16:13 +0000
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-10 08:03 +1200
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-10 07:56 +0000
    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-03 16:58 +0000

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#60360

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-06 15:34 +0000
Message-ID<lmsn2o$ilo$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60310
For your reference, records indicate that 
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <do_ray_me-1786A5.08282806062014@aioe.org> 
>   dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > Don't get upset by my remarks, I just think simple is much better in 
> > communication across the internet given the different clients, it is 
> > *not* printed communication.
> 
> It’s no one’s fault but yours that your software does not support the
> USENET standard of UTF-8.

But it might *still* be my fault if I’m doing something wrong in how I
issue that UTF-8.  While smart quote substitutions are certainly more
common in pointing out the issue than things like äccéñ†é∂ characters,
I will do my best to fix things on my end.  But, as I said in other
parts of the thread, I *know* MT-NW can do UTF-8 in some form, so I’m
hoping to find a solution that makes it happier rather than removing
modern features.

-- 
dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ

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#60289

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-05 17:38 -0400
Message-ID<9eWdnVQgKbylfg3OnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#60178
On 2014.06.04, 18:36 , dorayme wrote:
> In article <lmngnp$i0l$4@dont-email.me>,
>   Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
>
>> For your reference, records indicate that
>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>
>>> UTF was certainly more than a gleam, MTNW just ignored it as many people
>>> on USENET did.
>>
>> To be fair to MT-NW, it was carried forward from *deep* in Mac’s past, and
>> there are a ton of things Carbon didn’t do that Cocoa developers get for
>> free.  That’s a big part of why starting from “scratch” is going to be
>> better in the long run.
>
> Do you liberally use characters that appear badly on MT_NW to make an
> extra point about the need for a new usenet reader for Mac?

Yes - it's part of his smear campaign.  Similar to the tagline at the 
indiegogo site:

             "Bring Usenet Back to the Mac" as if it were lost.

It isn't.  Hasn't been.

Create a new usenet client?  That's great.

Raise non-issues or irritants and insinuate that there is no solution 
for Macs - that's just crap.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.



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#60365

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-06 16:03 +0000
Message-ID<lmsonp$ilo$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60289
For your reference, records indicate that 
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Yes - it's part of his smear campaign.  Similar to the tagline at the
> indiegogo site:
> 
>              "Bring Usenet Back to the Mac" as if it were lost.
> 
> It isn't.  Hasn't been.

To me, this is a strange thing to get bent out of shape over.  But I can
actually take it one step further: The Mac has *never* had Usenet support.
Oh, sure, just like other platforms it has had news *reader* software.  But,
at I noted on several occasions, none of those projects ever bothered to
factor out a libnntp to Mac Usenet itself a first-class protocol.  That’s
why one of my primary goals is to have NNTP.framework as a separate entity.

> Raise non-issues or irritants and insinuate that there is no solution
> for Macs - that's just crap.

I’m not saying you *can’t* run a newreader, GUI or command line, on a Mac.
All I’m saying is that Usenet is more than that, and that writing *for* the
Mac is a significant difference.  For a Mac user, Unison represents the last
available Mac app, and it ain’t free.  Don’t blame me for pointing out the
harsh realities of how poor Usenet support is on the Mac.


-- 
dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ

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#60416

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-07 08:25 -0400
Message-ID<w-GdnccPnqdQmQ7OnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#60365
On 2014.06.06, 12:03 , Darrin Doc O'Leary wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Yes - it's part of his smear campaign.  Similar to the tagline at the
>> indiegogo site:
>>
>>               "Bring Usenet Back to the Mac" as if it were lost.
>>
>> It isn't.  Hasn't been.
>
> To me, this is a strange thing to get bent out of shape over.  But I can
> actually take it one step further: The Mac has *never* had Usenet support.
> Oh, sure, just like other platforms it has had news *reader* software.  But,
> at I noted on several occasions, none of those projects ever bothered to
> factor out a libnntp to Mac Usenet itself a first-class protocol.  That’s
> why one of my primary goals is to have NNTP.framework as a separate entity.

Then get cracking.

Seriously - where the Apple world needs a usenet client is for iOS.

>> Raise non-issues or irritants and insinuate that there is no solution
>> for Macs - that's just crap.
>
> I’m not saying you *can’t* run a newreader, GUI or command line, on a Mac.
> All I’m saying is that Usenet is more than that, and that writing *for* the
> Mac is a significant difference.  For a Mac user, Unison represents the last
> available Mac app, and it ain’t free.  Don’t blame me for pointing out the
> harsh realities of how poor Usenet support is on the Mac.

Your request for funding isn't free either.  I could understand a 
realistic goal.  Say $2500 to keep you in scotch and cigars.  Then when 
the thing is published, donations or or a fee or even a license.  There 
is nothing wrong with that at all (just about everyone here -does- pay 
for some or much of their software.  There are few "it must be free" 
types here.

$20000 is more akin to projects where material and/or tooling is needed. 
  I've contributed to those.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.


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#60440

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-07 16:32 +0000
Message-ID<lmveq4$3fd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60416
For your reference, records indicate that 
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Then get cracking.

I already got cracking.  That’s the point of me demoing a prototype for the
campaign.  A separate framework already exists and works fairly well, but I
would still want to to *a lot* of tweaking before releasing it (especially
cleaning up the API for public consumption).

> Seriously - where the Apple world needs a usenet client is for iOS.

Well, unless funding picks up dramatically, they’re not going to get it
from me.  It seems the economics of the “need” just isn’t in line with the
effort involved.  Either a lot more people need to get interested in Usenet
as a social network, or some entity with funding needs to see how it can be
leveraged for a particular goal.  And, in the grand scheme of things, the
$20K or $50K that it would take is hardly a drop in the bucket compared to
some of the projects I’ve worked on that cost much more and achieved so
much less.

> Your request for funding isn't free either.

It’s free in that the result will be free to everyone, and possibly even
free to the extent of putting the code in the public domain, and that is
*hugely* important when you want to be able to introduce new people to
Usenet.  That’s a far better deal than having *everyone* pay, like Unison
does.  Even a non-commercial effort like mine has a non-zero cost.

> $20000 is more akin to projects where material and/or tooling is needed.

$20K is the economic reality.  If you don’t agree, you’re welcome to pay
someone to else to write the software for you.  Let me know how much cheaper
it ends up being.

-- 
dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ

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#60449

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-06-08 16:05 +1200
Message-ID<080620141605550347%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#60440
In article <lmveq4$3fd$1@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary
<droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that 
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > $20000 is more akin to projects where material and/or tooling is needed.
> 
> $20K is the economic reality.  If you don't agree, you're welcome to pay
> someone to else to write the software for you.  Let me know how much cheaper
> it ends up being.

It's only an "economic reality" if it's the way you making your
livelihood ... even then it's debateable since far too many people
charge far too much, which has a flow-on effect and creates the
greed-circle called "infaltion". 

If it's simply a hobby project you're doing in your spare time, then
it's not even remotely an "economic reality", more like common
greediness, especially if the final product is free and if those
generous / stupid enough to donate won't be getting anything everybody
else gets anyway. Of course if the product never appears, then it's
simply a scam.

The more sensible option is simply to release the application as
freeware or donationware.

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#60505

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-08 17:00 +0000
Message-ID<ln24qf$8h2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60449
For your reference, records indicate that 
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> It's only an "economic reality" if it's the way you making your
> livelihood

It’s an economic reality to anyone who doesn’t try to externalize costs.
Are *you* offering me some other way to make my livelihood so that I *could*
just give Signal away?  If so, it may even fit into the $10K perk that is
already listed for Signal.  Otherwise, contact me directly if the large sums
of money you want to give me are unrelated to leveraging Usenet.

> If it's simply a hobby project you're doing in your spare time, then
> it's not even remotely an "economic reality", more like common
> greediness, especially if the final product is free and if those
> generous / stupid enough to donate won't be getting anything everybody
> else gets anyway. Of course if the product never appears, then it's
> simply a scam.

Yes, this app I already have running is a complete scam.  And, really,
aren’t we all sick an tired of the string of newsreaders we’ve had that
*were* run like they were hobby projects?  So, no; that stops here.  The
only signs of greediness here is people who expect to get something for
nothing.

> The more sensible option is simply to release the application as
> freeware or donationware.

Nope.  Having to support software released to the general public would
result in a *far* greater cost than I’m prepared to pay at this time.  My
generosity right now is limited to doing development in advance of funding.


-- 
dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ

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#60567

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-06-09 13:49 +1200
Message-ID<090620141349017749%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#60505
In article <ln24qf$8h2$1@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary
<droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that 
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > It's only an "economic reality" if it's the way you making your
> > livelihood
> 
> It’Äôs an economic reality to anyone who doesn’Äôt try to externalize costs.
> Are *you* offering me some other way to make my livelihood so that I *could*
> just give Signal away?  If so, it may even fit into the $10K perk that is
> already listed for Signal.  Otherwise, contact me directly if the large sums
> of money you want to give me are unrelated to leveraging Usenet.
> 
> > If it's simply a hobby project you're doing in your spare time, then
> > it's not even remotely an "economic reality", more like common
> > greediness, especially if the final product is free and if those
> > generous / stupid enough to donate won't be getting anything everybody
> > else gets anyway. Of course if the product never appears, then it's
> > simply a scam.
> 
> Yes, this app I already have running is a complete scam.  And, really,
> aren’Äôt we all sick an tired of the string of newsreaders we’Äôve had that
> *were* run like they were hobby projects?  So, no; that stops here.  The
> only signs of greediness here is people who expect to get something for
> nothing.
> 
> > The more sensible option is simply to release the application as
> > freeware or donationware.
> 
> Nope.  Having to support software released to the general public would
> result in a *far* greater cost than I’Äôm prepared to pay at this time.  My
> generosity right now is limited to doing development in advance of funding.

I'm steering well clear of this (not that it will run on my ancient Mac
anyway) ... it's sounding scammier and scammier by the minute.  :-\

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#60568

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2014-06-08 21:27 -0500
Message-ID<slrnlpa6s5.hdk.timmcn@sugaree.local>
In reply to#60567
On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 13:49:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
wrote:
> In article <ln24qf$8h2$1@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary 
><droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
>
>> For your reference, records indicate that Your Name 
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > It's only an "economic reality" if it's the way you making your 
>> > livelihood
>> 
>> It’Äôs an economic reality to anyone who doesn’Äôt try to 
>> externalize costs. Are *you* offering me some other way to make my 
>> livelihood so that I *could* just give Signal away?  If so, it may 
>> even fit into the $10K perk that is already listed for Signal.  
>> Otherwise, contact me directly if the large sums of money you want to 
>> give me are unrelated to leveraging Usenet.
>> 
>> > If it's simply a hobby project you're doing in your spare time, 
>> > then it's not even remotely an "economic reality", more like common 
>> > greediness, especially if the final product is free and if those 
>> > generous / stupid enough to donate won't be getting anything 
>> > everybody else gets anyway. Of course if the product never appears, 
>> > then it's simply a scam.
>> 
>> Yes, this app I already have running is a complete scam.  And, 
>> really, aren’Äôt we all sick an tired of the string of newsreaders 
>> we’Äôve had that *were* run like they were hobby projects?  So, no; 
>> that stops here.  The only signs of greediness here is people who 
>> expect to get something for nothing.
>> 
>> > The more sensible option is simply to release the application as 
>> > freeware or donationware.
>> 
>> Nope.  Having to support software released to the general public 
>> would result in a *far* greater cost than I’Äôm prepared to pay at 
>> this time.  My generosity right now is limited to doing development 
>> in advance of funding.
>
> I'm steering well clear of this (not that it will run on my ancient 
> Mac anyway) ... it's sounding scammier and scammier by the minute.  
> :-\

Different ways to read this, I guess.  I see it as Doc just responding 
to attacks from multiple sides as people try to box him in, intent on 
proving that he's a ripoff artist.  The problem is that I've been around 
the newsgroup long enough to have formed my own assessment of whether 
Doc is as or more reliable than his attackers.

I kicked in $50 to see what happens.  A good modern newsreader for the 
Mac would be a nice thing to have.  That gets him all the way up to 
$430.  

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#60572

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-06-09 15:46 +1200
Message-ID<090620141546341382%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#60568
In article <slrnlpa6s5.hdk.timmcn@sugaree.local>, Tim McNamara
<timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 13:49:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
> wrote:
> > In article <ln24qf$8h2$1@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary 
> ><droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> >> For your reference, records indicate that Your Name 
> >> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > It's only an "economic reality" if it's the way you making your 
> >> > livelihood
> >> 
> >> It¬íˆÑˆ¥s an economic reality to anyone who doesn¬íˆÑˆ¥t try to 
> >> externalize costs. Are *you* offering me some other way to make my 
> >> livelihood so that I *could* just give Signal away?  If so, it may 
> >> even fit into the $10K perk that is already listed for Signal.  
> >> Otherwise, contact me directly if the large sums of money you want to 
> >> give me are unrelated to leveraging Usenet.
> >> 
> >> > If it's simply a hobby project you're doing in your spare time, 
> >> > then it's not even remotely an "economic reality", more like common 
> >> > greediness, especially if the final product is free and if those 
> >> > generous / stupid enough to donate won't be getting anything 
> >> > everybody else gets anyway. Of course if the product never appears, 
> >> > then it's simply a scam.
> >> 
> >> Yes, this app I already have running is a complete scam.  And, 
> >> really, aren¬íˆÑˆ¥t we all sick an tired of the string of newsreaders 
> >> we¬íˆÑˆ¥ve had that *were* run like they were hobby projects?  So, no; 
> >> that stops here.  The only signs of greediness here is people who 
> >> expect to get something for nothing.
> >> 
> >> > The more sensible option is simply to release the application as 
> >> > freeware or donationware.
> >> 
> >> Nope.  Having to support software released to the general public 
> >> would result in a *far* greater cost than I¬íˆÑˆ¥m prepared to pay at 
> >> this time.  My generosity right now is limited to doing development 
> >> in advance of funding.
> >
> > I'm steering well clear of this (not that it will run on my ancient 
> > Mac anyway) ... it's sounding scammier and scammier by the minute.  
> > :-\
> 
> Different ways to read this, I guess.  I see it as Doc just responding 
> to attacks from multiple sides as people try to box him in, intent on 
> proving that he's a ripoff artist.  The problem is that I've been around 
> the newsgroup long enough to have formed my own assessment of whether 
> Doc is as or more reliable than his attackers.
> 
> I kicked in $50 to see what happens.  A good modern newsreader for the 
> Mac would be a nice thing to have.  That gets him all the way up to 
> $430.  

The shareware / donationware system has worked for many people
(assuming their software was worth using in the first place) for
decades ... this just screams of someone greddily jumping on the
crowd-source-funding bandwagon to try and grab some money.

Besides which, since it appears to be a hobby / spare time thing, it's
not like he's actually making a living from it, so this "economic
reality" nonsense is just a load of BS to excuse his own greediness.

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#60576

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-06-09 00:56 -0400
Message-ID<fredp151-89AD7A.00561409062014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#60572
In article <090620141546341382%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> The shareware / donationware system has worked for many people
> (assuming their software was worth using in the first place) for
> decades ... this just screams of someone greddily jumping on the
> crowd-source-funding bandwagon to try and grab some money.
> 
> Besides which, since it appears to be a hobby / spare time thing, it's
> not like he's actually making a living from it, so this "economic
> reality" nonsense is just a load of BS to excuse his own greediness.

Jump to many conclusions, do we?

Shareware/Donationware works for who, exactly?  It worked for years 
because there wasn't a whole lot of options.

Now, there are many more options...  So someone who takes advantage of 
them is greedy?

Automatically?  Or is this just selective greed?

-- 
 Knowledge is Power. Power Corrupts. Study Hard, Be Evil.

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#60586

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-06-09 18:39 +1200
Message-ID<090620141839451234%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#60576
In article <fredp151-89AD7A.00561409062014@news.eternal-september.org>,
FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <090620141546341382%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > The shareware / donationware system has worked for many people
> > (assuming their software was worth using in the first place) for
> > decades ... this just screams of someone greddily jumping on the
> > crowd-source-funding bandwagon to try and grab some money.
> > 
> > Besides which, since it appears to be a hobby / spare time thing, it's
> > not like he's actually making a living from it, so this "economic
> > reality" nonsense is just a load of BS to excuse his own greediness.
> 
> Jump to many conclusions, do we?
> 
> Shareware/Donationware works for who, exactly?  It worked for years 
> because there wasn't a whole lot of options.
> 
> Now, there are many more options...  So someone who takes advantage of 
> them is greedy?
> 
> Automatically?  Or is this just selective greed?

He (supposedly) already has a application, written as a hobby, that is
going to be released for free, and yet he's wanting people to donate
money ... something smells fishier than the local SeaWorld. :-\

I don't know the crowd-source website he's using, but theonly thing
stopping this being an outright scam would be the possibility that
nobody has to pay out any money until it reaches its over-bloated
target.

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#60592

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-06-09 06:17 -0700
Message-ID<090620140617195613%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#60586
In article <090620141839451234%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> He (supposedly) already has a application, written as a hobby, that is
> going to be released for free, and yet he's wanting people to donate
> money ... something smells fishier than the local SeaWorld. :-\

He is working on an application that is in the pre-alpha, or maybe
alpha, stage of development.  It is by far a long way from completion. 
You may think he's lying about that, but I don't.

> I don't know the crowd-source website he's using, but theonly thing
> stopping this being an outright scam would be the possibility that
> nobody has to pay out any money until it reaches its over-bloated
> target.

If you had bothered to read the thread, you would know that the site is
http://www.indiegogo.com, and that if the goal is not reached, everyone
gets their money back.

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#60610

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-09 16:58 +0000
Message-ID<ln4p2p$j3t$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60586
For your reference, records indicate that 
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> He (supposedly) already has a application, written as a hobby, that is
> going to be released for free, and yet he's wanting people to donate
> money ... something smells fishier than the local SeaWorld. :-\

Yes, it’s a smell you don’t find much these days: rational generosity (or
for the B5 fans, enlightened self-interest :-).  Sorry that you and Alan
(assume you’re not all just the same sock-puppet) have a difficult time
understanding why someone would have an interest in running a development
effort the way I have for Signal.

But what really baffles me is that you’d jump to the conclusion that it’s
a scam.  I mean, I started doing ObjC development in the 90s.
Incorporated Subsume Technologies in 1997.  Did a lot of consulting for
others as well as releasing our own software.  Transitioned to iOS.  Etc.

And *this* $20K effort is finally the scam-tastic pay off?  Something worth
faking all these posts over?  Faking the screencast video?  You anonymous
trolls are really just too funny for your own good.

> I don't know the crowd-source website he's using, but theonly thing
> stopping this being an outright scam would be the possibility that
> nobody has to pay out any money until it reaches its over-bloated
> target.

I love reading this line of reasoning.  Here’s a fun thing for you to do:
give us all a breakdown of how much you think software development such
as this *should* cost.  I want to see what you’d pay people per hour along
with how many hours you think each particular feature should take.  Don’t
even bother with things like overhead, equipment, and external services.
Just the straight “heads-down” cost of running the project.

-- 
dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ

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#60625

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-06-09 11:02 -0700
Message-ID<090620141102402860%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#60610
In article <ln4p2p$j3t$9@dont-email.me>, Doc
<droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

>  Sorry that you and Alan (assume you¹re not all just the same
> sock-puppet) 

they're not.

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#60645

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-06-10 09:49 +1200
Message-ID<100620140949366436%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#60610
In article <ln4p2p$j3t$9@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary
<droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that 
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > He (supposedly) already has a application, written as a hobby, that is
> > going to be released for free, and yet he's wanting people to donate
> > money ... something smells fishier than the local SeaWorld. :-\
> 
> Yes, it’Äôs a smell you don’Äôt find much these days: rational generosity (or
> for the B5 fans, enlightened self-interest :-).

"Rational generosity" ... "give me $20,000 and I'll release it for
'free'". Fishier and fishier.

What an utter load of greed-driven crap. I'd advise everyone to stay
WELL clear of this scammer and his vapourware garbage.

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#60648

FromInvid Fan <invid@loclanet.com>
Date2014-06-09 18:47 -0400
Message-ID<090620141847185442%invid@loclanet.com>
In reply to#60645
In article <100620140949366436%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <ln4p2p$j3t$9@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary
> <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> > For your reference, records indicate that 
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > He (supposedly) already has a application, written as a hobby, that is
> > > going to be released for free, and yet he's wanting people to donate
> > > money ... something smells fishier than the local SeaWorld. :-\
> > 
> > Yes, it’Äôs a smell you don’Äôt find much these days: rational generosity
> > (or
> > for the B5 fans, enlightened self-interest :-).
> 
> "Rational generosity" ... "give me $20,000 and I'll release it for
> 'free'". Fishier and fishier.
> 
> What an utter load of greed-driven crap. I'd advise everyone to stay
> WELL clear of this scammer and his vapourware garbage.

So, like Alan Browne, I assume you're against the whole business model
of Kickstarter and Indigogo. That's fair.

-- 
Chris Mack       "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

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#60657

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-06-10 14:07 +1200
Message-ID<100620141407263195%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#60648
In article <090620141847185442%invid@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
<invid@loclanet.com> wrote:
> In article <100620140949366436%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <ln4p2p$j3t$9@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary
> > <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> > > For your reference, records indicate that 
> > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > He (supposedly) already has a application, written as a hobby, that is
> > > > going to be released for free, and yet he's wanting people to donate
> > > > money ... something smells fishier than the local SeaWorld. :-\
> > > 
> > > Yes, it’Äôs a smell you don’Äôt find much these days: rational generosity
> > > (or for the B5 fans, enlightened self-interest :-).
> > 
> > "Rational generosity" ... "give me $20,000 and I'll release it for
> > 'free'". Fishier and fishier.
> > 
> > What an utter load of greed-driven crap. I'd advise everyone to stay
> > WELL clear of this scammer and his vapourware garbage.
> 
> So, like Alan Browne, I assume you're against the whole business model
> of Kickstarter and Indigogo. That's fair.

There's nothing wrong with crowd-source funding for actual products
that deserve it.

This moron is *SAYS* he already has the application written as hobby
project, will be releasing it for free, and yet still expects naive
people to pay him a ridiculous $20,000 for the privilege ... and claims
that's being "generous" ... yeah, right. It stinks heavily of some
ckind of greediness, scam, and / or simply vapourware.  :-\

Any normal human being would simply release it as freeware / shareware
/ donationware, or sell it properly via the App Store or similar.

Time to bin this idiotic topic and the greedy fool promoting it.

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#60659

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-06-10 02:17 +0000
Message-ID<bvn864F5tseU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#60657
On 2014-06-10, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <090620141847185442%invid@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
><invid@loclanet.com> wrote:
>> In article <100620140949366436%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> > In article <ln4p2p$j3t$9@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary
>> > <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
>> > > For your reference, records indicate that 
>> > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> > > > 
>> > > > He (supposedly) already has a application, written as a hobby, that is
>> > > > going to be released for free, and yet he's wanting people to donate
>> > > > money ... something smells fishier than the local SeaWorld. :-\
>> > > 
>> > > Yes, it’Äôs a smell you don’Äôt find much these days: rational generosity
>> > > (or for the B5 fans, enlightened self-interest :-).
>> > 
>> > "Rational generosity" ... "give me $20,000 and I'll release it for
>> > 'free'". Fishier and fishier.
>> > 
>> > What an utter load of greed-driven crap. I'd advise everyone to stay
>> > WELL clear of this scammer and his vapourware garbage.
>> 
>> So, like Alan Browne, I assume you're against the whole business model
>> of Kickstarter and Indigogo. That's fair.
>
> There's nothing wrong with crowd-source funding for actual products
> that deserve it.

"But, boy don't you *dare* try to crowd-source a product that I think
*doesn't* deserve it, or I will strike down upon thee with great
vengeance and furious anger!!!"

Right...

> This moron

Name calling. Noted.

> is *SAYS* he already has the application written as hobby
> project, will be releasing it for free, and yet still expects naive
> people to pay him a ridiculous $20,000 for the privilege ... and claims
> that's being "generous" ... yeah, right. It stinks heavily of some
> ckind of greediness, scam, and / or simply vapourware.  :-\

"And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!!"

> Any normal human being would simply release it as freeware / shareware
> / donationware, or sell it properly via the App Store or similar.

...said the one having anything but a normal reaction to a crowd-funded
effort. Clearly, this one knows "normal" very well.

> Time to bin this idiotic topic and the greedy fool promoting it.

Oh, joy!

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#60663

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2014-06-10 02:03 -0400
Message-ID<fredp151-6040B0.02030910062014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#60657
In article <100620141407263195%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Time to bin this idiotic topic and the greedy fool promoting it.

Just curious... what finally did it?

Some would like to know for future reference.

-- 
 Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil. - Roosevelt

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