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Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal

Started byDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
First post2014-06-03 16:52 +0000
Last post2014-06-03 16:58 +0000
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  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-03 16:52 +0000
    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-03 12:56 -0400
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-03 19:35 +0000
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-04 16:15 +0000
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-05 08:36 +1000
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-04 19:25 -0700
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-05 15:05 +1200
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 03:47 +0000
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-05 17:45 +0000
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-05 20:06 +0200
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-05 20:09 +0200
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 15:25 +0000
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-07 10:58 +1000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-07 08:38 +0000
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-08 09:41 +1000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 15:55 +0000
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-07 23:10 +0200
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-06 08:28 +1000
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 02:14 +0000
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-07 02:54 +1200
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 15:34 +0000
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-05 17:38 -0400
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-06 16:03 +0000
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-07 08:25 -0400
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-07 16:32 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-08 16:05 +1200
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 17:00 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-09 13:49 +1200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 21:27 -0500
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-09 15:46 +1200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-09 00:56 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-09 18:39 +1200
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-09 06:17 -0700
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:58 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-09 11:02 -0700
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-10 09:49 +1200
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-09 18:47 -0400
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-10 14:07 +1200
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 02:17 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-10 02:03 -0400
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-10 07:23 -0700
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-10 22:28 -0500
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:21 -0400
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-10 18:09 -0400
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 17:17 +0000
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-11 15:00 -0400
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:30 -0400
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 22:22 +0000
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:33 -0400
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-12 10:23 +1000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-09 20:39 -0500
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-10 07:21 -0700
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-11 08:51 +1000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:37 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-09 20:34 -0500
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-10 08:27 -0500
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-10 14:49 -0400
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-10 14:20 -0500
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-10 22:25 -0500
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 05:20 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:53 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 17:48 +0000
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 08:48 +0200
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 10:17 -0400
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 17:17 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 19:58 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 22:29 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 12:09 -0500
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-08 19:34 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 19:59 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-08 20:03 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-09 12:47 +1200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:00 -0400
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:30 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 02:39 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 18:14 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-06-09 13:59 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 16:35 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 18:53 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 15:58 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 18:15 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-09 14:52 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-10 11:11 +1000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:06 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-10 18:43 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 12:55 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:14 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 17:05 -0400
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 05:16 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 16:05 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 18:32 +0200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:18 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-10 18:40 +0200
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 15:46 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 17:02 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:26 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-10 10:09 -0700
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-10 12:13 -0500
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-10 10:46 -0700
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 15:55 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-10 18:25 +0100
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 19:56 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-10 21:53 +0100
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-11 09:27 -0700
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 19:29 +0000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-11 16:10 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 12:08 -0500
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 19:28 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 16:53 -0500
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 17:04 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 19:26 +0200
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:02 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 22:29 +0200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:50 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 22:55 +0200
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-08 16:54 -0500
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-09 12:47 +1200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 06:33 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:35 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 19:57 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-08 22:29 +0200
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 18:11 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 20:31 +0200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 17:16 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 18:48 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 17:25 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 19:39 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-06-09 15:49 -0400
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 22:06 +0200
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 17:53 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-10 19:59 +0200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 22:40 +0200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-10 07:20 -0700
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 17:41 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Kaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-10 12:48 -0500
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:39 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-10 20:53 +0000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 22:38 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Paul Förster <paul.foerster@gmx.net> - 2014-06-11 19:35 +0200
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-11 17:39 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-11 13:42 -0400
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-11 18:09 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-12 20:24 -0400
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-11 09:33 +1000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 02:43 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-11 03:05 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 03:47 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 16:55 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-11 17:23 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 19:30 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-12 00:22 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-12 00:46 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 19:26 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:28 -0400
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:24 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 22:32 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:29 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2014-06-11 16:35 -0500
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-11 22:40 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-12 03:42 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-12 19:47 +1200
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-12 18:28 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-12 22:11 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-11 17:37 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-11 23:11 +0100
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-11 22:44 +0000
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-11 17:18 -0700
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-12 14:36 +1200
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-12 02:44 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-12 19:44 +1200
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-12 16:04 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-13 09:40 +1200
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-13 09:10 +1000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-13 17:26 +0000
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 12:51 +1200
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 11:13 +1000
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 15:24 +1200
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 14:13 +1000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 19:47 +1200
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 18:24 +1000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 20:55 +1200
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 19:25 +1000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 23:03 +1200
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 23:43 +1000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 18:09 +0000
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 17:02 +0000
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 18:52 +0000
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 19:04 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 21:45 +0000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 23:00 +0000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 00:03 +0000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-14 23:01 -0500
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 04:24 +0000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-15 00:38 -0400
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 16:18 +1000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-15 18:28 +1200
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 18:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 17:41 +0000
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-15 12:25 +1200
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-06-11 20:33 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-12 02:34 +0000
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-12 00:47 +0000
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-11 09:34 -0700
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-12 20:24 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-12 18:51 -0700
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-13 00:14 -0500
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-13 02:44 -0400
                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-13 18:04 +0000
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-13 14:16 -0400
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-13 13:49 -0500
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-13 19:21 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 12:51 +1200
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 02:18 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 15:24 +1200
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 04:44 +0000
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 19:47 +1200
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 15:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 19:53 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-15 12:25 +1200
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 19:41 +0000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-16 15:19 +1200
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-16 17:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-16 18:11 +0100
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-16 17:19 +0000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-16 17:28 +0000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 17:46 -0400
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 17:29 +0000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-17 09:12 +1200
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-16 17:39 -0400
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-17 16:45 +0000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-17 09:12 +1200
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-14 07:49 -0400
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-13 22:01 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-14 09:12 +1000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 11:54 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-14 15:04 +0100
                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 14:13 +0000
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-14 15:35 +0100
                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 15:31 +0000
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-14 17:42 +0100
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 16:54 +0000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-14 18:06 +0100
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 18:01 +0000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 10:33 +1000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 18:57 +0000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 18:39 +0000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 10:40 +1000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 00:57 +0000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 12:56 +1000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 04:37 +0000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 16:15 +1000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 07:48 +0000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 19:30 +1000
                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 10:05 +0000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 18:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 10:30 +1000
                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-16 15:51 +0000
                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-17 08:11 +1000
                                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-17 13:53 +0000
                                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 09:10 +1000
                                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-18 00:06 +0000
                                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 10:27 +1000
                                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-18 01:02 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 17:15 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-18 08:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 19:29 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-18 13:11 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 23:34 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-19 10:51 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-19 21:31 +1000
                                                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-19 21:08 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-20 12:02 +1000
                                                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-21 15:00 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-22 08:53 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-18 12:12 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-18 23:09 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-18 18:38 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-19 08:37 +1000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 10:35 +1000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 07:55 +0000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 22:07 +1000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 13:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 10:12 +1000
                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 05:34 +0000
                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 17:51 +1000
                                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 15:10 +0000
                                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-16 15:18 +0000
                                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-06-16 07:33 -0400
                                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 23:03 +1000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 17:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 10:21 +1000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 10:16 +1000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 07:44 +0000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-15 09:31 +0100
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 09:51 +0000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-15 13:17 +0100
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 13:49 +0000
                                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 19:19 +1000
                                                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 09:59 +0000
                                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 08:09 +1000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-15 23:17 +0000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 10:47 +1000
                                                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 10:10 +0000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-16 20:36 +1000
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 15:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-16 12:22 +0100
                                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-16 15:46 +0000
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 19:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 21:53 +0000
                                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 10:00 +1000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 07:42 +0000
                                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-15 18:27 +1000
                                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-15 09:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 19:59 +0000
                                              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 19:29 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-13 18:17 -0500
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-14 02:14 +0000
                                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-14 15:24 +1200
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-14 11:55 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 19:13 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-14 07:47 -0400
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 19:22 +0000
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-16 17:09 -0400
                                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-14 18:49 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-14 19:01 +0000
                                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-15 07:27 -0400
                                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-15 19:28 +0000
                                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-16 17:08 -0400
                                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-14 02:36 -0400
                    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 09:32 -0400
                      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-08 16:27 +0000
                        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-08 12:51 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-08 20:15 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:32 -0400
                          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-09 15:44 +0000
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 18:30 +0200
                            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-10 16:53 -0400
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-09 16:13 +0000
                Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2014-06-10 08:03 +1200
                  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-10 07:56 +0000
    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-03 16:58 +0000

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#60670

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-06-10 07:23 -0700
Message-ID<100620140723297854%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#60657
In article <100620141407263195%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > So, like Alan Browne, I assume you're against the whole business model
> > of Kickstarter and Indigogo. That's fair.
> 
> There's nothing wrong with crowd-source funding for actual products
> that deserve it.

And you are the sole arbiter of which products deserve it.

> This moron is *SAYS* he already has the application written

He never said that; stop lying.  He said that he's working on it, but
it's far from a finished product.

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#60760

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2014-06-10 22:28 -0500
Message-ID<slrnlpfj6r.mn1.timmcn@sugaree.local>
In reply to#60657
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:07:26 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
wrote:
>
> Time to bin this idiotic topic and the greedy fool promoting it.

Feel free to stop at any time.  You do realize that the only person 
perpetuating your participation in this is you, right?

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#60735

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-10 17:21 -0400
Message-ID<Mr2dnZxBhpBE6wrOnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#60648
On 2014.06.09, 18:47 , Invid Fan wrote:
> In article <100620140949366436%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <ln4p2p$j3t$9@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary
>> <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He (supposedly) already has a application, written as a hobby, that is
>>>> going to be released for free, and yet he's wanting people to donate
>>>> money ... something smells fishier than the local SeaWorld. :-\
>>>
>>> Yes, it’Äôs a smell you don’Äôt find much these days: rational generosity
>>> (or
>>> for the B5 fans, enlightened self-interest :-).
>>
>> "Rational generosity" ... "give me $20,000 and I'll release it for
>> 'free'". Fishier and fishier.
>>
>> What an utter load of greed-driven crap. I'd advise everyone to stay
>> WELL clear of this scammer and his vapourware garbage.
>
> So, like Alan Browne, I assume you're against the whole business model
> of Kickstarter and Indigogo. That's fair.

I am definitely not against crowdsourcing.  I've participated (funded) 
and in one case considered raising cash for such a project via indie.

What I object to in this instance is the amount when there is no 
material or tooling costs involved.  He's putting up a great promise, 
collecting the cash for something that may or may not satisfy.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.


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#60739

FromInvid Fan <invid@loclanet.com>
Date2014-06-10 18:09 -0400
Message-ID<100620141809191877%invid@loclanet.com>
In reply to#60735
In article <Mr2dnZxBhpBE6wrOnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.06.09, 18:47 , Invid Fan wrote:
> > In article <100620140949366436%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <ln4p2p$j3t$9@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary
> >> <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> >>> For your reference, records indicate that
> >>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> He (supposedly) already has a application, written as a hobby, that is
> >>>> going to be released for free, and yet he's wanting people to donate
> >>>> money ... something smells fishier than the local SeaWorld. :-\
> >>>
> >>> Yes, it¹Äôs a smell you don¹Äôt find much these days: rational generosity
> >>> (or
> >>> for the B5 fans, enlightened self-interest :-).
> >>
> >> "Rational generosity" ... "give me $20,000 and I'll release it for
> >> 'free'". Fishier and fishier.
> >>
> >> What an utter load of greed-driven crap. I'd advise everyone to stay
> >> WELL clear of this scammer and his vapourware garbage.
> >
> > So, like Alan Browne, I assume you're against the whole business model
> > of Kickstarter and Indigogo. That's fair.
> 
> I am definitely not against crowdsourcing.  I've participated (funded) 
> and in one case considered raising cash for such a project via indie.

Everything on Kickstarter is vaporware, until it isn't. There's no
recourse if the money is spent and it turns out to not be enough to
create the product.
 
> 
> What I object to in this instance is the amount when there is no 
> material or tooling costs involved.  He's putting up a great promise, 
> collecting the cash for something that may or may not satisfy.

Except he's not getting any cash. Asking, yes, but not getting. Given
he doesn't seem to be promoting this much, I'd almost guess he's using
it to talk himself of of continuing. Similar to an actor who doesn't
want to take a role (but doesn't want to burn bridges) who asks for a
huge paycheck. Certainly, if this WAS a scam I'd expect to see much
more about it outside of an empty newsgroup. Hell, just putting it on
Kickstarter would have raised its profile, given he wasn't taking
advantage of the Indigogo feature of taking the money even if the goal
wasn't met.

-- 
Chris Mack       "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

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#60782

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-11 17:17 +0000
Message-ID<lna2uh$hrl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60739
For your reference, records indicate that 
Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote:

> Except he's not getting any cash. Asking, yes, but not getting. Given
> he doesn't seem to be promoting this much, I'd almost guess he's using
> it to talk himself of of continuing.

On the contrary.  I’ve organized thinks specifically to put network effects
to the test.  It is meaningless for me to over-promote my own efforts.  I’m
just the guy doing the development; it is up to the *community* to decide
whether or not this app is something they want for themselves.  That’s why
I have your referrals apply towards your perks.  The whole *point* is to
give Usenet a shot in the arm as a social network, and that inherently
means people getting each other back to using it instead of (or in addition
to) Twitter and Facebook and the like.

> Similar to an actor who doesn't
> want to take a role (but doesn't want to burn bridges) who asks for a
> huge paycheck.

Anyone who thinks $20K is a big paycheck for the work involved really
doesn’t understand software development.  I’m still waiting for anyone
that says it should be less to actually do a break down of what they
think the time-costs should be.

> Certainly, if this WAS a scam I'd expect to see much
> more about it outside of an empty newsgroup. Hell, just putting it on
> Kickstarter would have raised its profile, given he wasn't taking
> advantage of the Indigogo feature of taking the money even if the goal
> wasn't met.

I can’t even imagine how misguided a scammer would have to be to think
*Usenet*, of all things, would be the place to focus their attention.

-- 
dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ

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#60788

FromInvid Fan <invid@loclanet.com>
Date2014-06-11 15:00 -0400
Message-ID<110620141500261768%invid@loclanet.com>
In reply to#60782
In article <lna2uh$hrl$1@dont-email.me>, Doc
<droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> 
> I can¹t even imagine how misguided a scammer would have to be to think
> *Usenet*, of all things, would be the place to focus their attention.

Exactly. The fact you're here but I haven't seen anything about the
project elsewhere tells me you're not a scammer. Possibly also not
promoting it right, but definitely not a scammer :)

-- 
Chris Mack       "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

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#60801

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-11 17:30 -0400
Message-ID<Q-idnU54G70dVwXOnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#60739
On 2014.06.10, 18:09 , Invid Fan wrote:
> In article <Mr2dnZxBhpBE6wrOnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.06.09, 18:47 , Invid Fan wrote:
>>> In article <100620140949366436%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <ln4p2p$j3t$9@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary
>>>> <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> He (supposedly) already has a application, written as a hobby, that is
>>>>>> going to be released for free, and yet he's wanting people to donate
>>>>>> money ... something smells fishier than the local SeaWorld. :-\
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it¹Äôs a smell you don¹Äôt find much these days: rational generosity
>>>>> (or
>>>>> for the B5 fans, enlightened self-interest :-).
>>>>
>>>> "Rational generosity" ... "give me $20,000 and I'll release it for
>>>> 'free'". Fishier and fishier.
>>>>
>>>> What an utter load of greed-driven crap. I'd advise everyone to stay
>>>> WELL clear of this scammer and his vapourware garbage.
>>>
>>> So, like Alan Browne, I assume you're against the whole business model
>>> of Kickstarter and Indigogo. That's fair.
>>
>> I am definitely not against crowdsourcing.  I've participated (funded)
>> and in one case considered raising cash for such a project via indie.
>
> Everything on Kickstarter is vaporware, until it isn't. There's no
> recourse if the money is spent and it turns out to not be enough to
> create the product.

S/W projects are the most sketchy which is why I don't like this full 
funding request.  IMO he should have skin in the game.  It's not like he 
needs to purchase material or tooling.

>>
>> What I object to in this instance is the amount when there is no
>> material or tooling costs involved.  He's putting up a great promise,
>> collecting the cash for something that may or may not satisfy.
>
> Except he's not getting any cash. Asking, yes, but not getting. Given

If he reaches his target funding by the planned date, he gets the cash. 
  I don't know of any milestones that he has to reach to be paid from 
the fund.

> he doesn't seem to be promoting this much, I'd almost guess he's using
> it to talk himself of of continuing. Similar to an actor who doesn't
> want to take a role (but doesn't want to burn bridges) who asks for a
> huge paycheck. Certainly, if this WAS a scam I'd expect to see much

I certainly never said it was a scam.  I simply objected to his claims, 
some character mangling and the 0 risk approach (to himself) that he's 
pushing.

> more about it outside of an empty newsgroup. Hell, just putting it on
> Kickstarter would have raised its profile, given he wasn't taking
> advantage of the Indigogo feature of taking the money even if the goal
> wasn't met.

At least there's that.  IMO, no funding should grant unless the goal is met.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#60740

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-06-10 22:22 +0000
Message-ID<ln80e9$bts$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#60735
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> What I object to in this instance is the amount when there is no 
> material or tooling costs involved.  He's putting up a great promise, 
> collecting the cash for something that may or may not satisfy.

Well, that risk is there even with material and tooling costs.
Take, for instance, AdTrap.  The result works fairly well, but
when they said it even catches adverts in videos, what they
didn't go on to say was it makes you wait for the same length
of time as if you were actually seeing them.

Billy Y..
-- 
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#60803

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-06-11 17:33 -0400
Message-ID<Q-idnUl4G72DVgXOnZ2dnUVZ_u8AAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#60740
On 2014.06.10, 18:22 , billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> What I object to in this instance is the amount when there is no
>> material or tooling costs involved.  He's putting up a great promise,
>> collecting the cash for something that may or may not satisfy.
>
> Well, that risk is there even with material and tooling costs.
> Take, for instance, AdTrap.  The result works fairly well, but
> when they said it even catches adverts in videos, what they
> didn't go on to say was it makes you wait for the same length
> of time as if you were actually seeing them.

Interesting widget.  I know when I watch a television program via a web 
page, I'm stuck waiting for adverts to go by (which I don't mind per 
se).  If that stream is "real time" (ish) on the source end, then the 
widget would have no choice but to wait.  Since, when those ads pass you 
have no control over them (FF, REW, or even PAUSE - which could be 
handy) I assume there is a real time control on the source end.

-- 
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

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#60818

Fromdorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date2014-06-12 10:23 +1000
Message-ID<do_ray_me-DD6436.10235812062014@aioe.org>
In reply to#60803
In article <Q-idnUl4G72DVgXOnZ2dnUVZ_u8AAAAA@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

...

AdTrap. 

> 
> Interesting widget.

How does it figure out what the ads are?

-- 
dorayme

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#60655

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2014-06-09 20:39 -0500
Message-ID<slrnlpcoek.juq.timmcn@sugaree.local>
In reply to#60645
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:49:36 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
wrote:
> In article <ln4p2p$j3t$9@dont-email.me>, Darrin "Doc" O'Leary 
><droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
>> For your reference, records indicate that Your Name 
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > He (supposedly) already has a application, written as a hobby, that 
>> > is going to be released for free, and yet he's wanting people to 
>> > donate money ... something smells fishier than the local SeaWorld. 
>> > :-\
>> 
>> Yes, it’Äôs a smell you don’Äôt find much these days: rational 
>> generosity (or for the B5 fans, enlightened self-interest :-).
>
> "Rational generosity" ... "give me $20,000 and I'll release it for 
> 'free'". Fishier and fishier.
>
> What an utter load of greed-driven crap. I'd advise everyone to stay 
> WELL clear of this scammer and his vapourware garbage.

Hmm, who should I believe?  A guy who's been posting here for years and 
is actually trackable in the real world (using his own name and having 
an incorportated business) or an anonymous coward?

Listen, dickwipe, you want to be taken seriously then have the balls put 
put your name on what you write.  If you're not willing to own up to it 
then it wasn't worth writing.

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#60669

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-06-10 07:21 -0700
Message-ID<100620140721149766%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#60645
In article <100620140949366436%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> What an utter load of greed-driven crap. I'd advise everyone to stay
> WELL clear of this scammer and his vapourware garbage.

What scam?

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#60745

Fromdorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date2014-06-11 08:51 +1000
Message-ID<do_ray_me-105BA4.08511311062014@aioe.org>
In reply to#60669
In article <100620140721149766%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <100620140949366436%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > What an utter load of greed-driven crap. I'd advise everyone to stay
> > WELL clear of this scammer and his vapourware garbage.
> 
> What scam?

You should know by now that the subscriber to whom you are replying is 
a nasty, twisted, paranoid individual who cannot sustain any logical 
argument. You will get nowhere pursuing him with reasonable questions. 

Not that this will stop you, too much fun eh?

-- 
dorayme

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#60606

FromDarrin "Doc" O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com>
Date2014-06-09 16:37 +0000
Message-ID<ln4nrt$j3t$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60572
For your reference, records indicate that 
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> The shareware / donationware system has worked for many people
> (assuming their software was worth using in the first place) for
> decades ...

Has it?  I mean, do you have any references to systematic studies that
show a net positive for the whole *ware ecosystem?  Hell, even the App
Store is mostly made up of money-losing efforts.  Not just because the
software was worth $1, but because it takes a boatload of people at $1
to cover the costs of even a modest development effort.

> this just screams of someone greddily jumping on the
> crowd-source-funding bandwagon to try and grab some money.

As I have stated numerous times, if you think $20K for the effort is a
money grab, *you* go out and try to find a way to accomplish the same
thing for less.  Anyone with any experience in software development knows
I’m making a generous offer.

> Besides which, since it appears to be a hobby / spare time thing, it's
> not like he's actually making a living from it, so this "economic
> reality" nonsense is just a load of BS to excuse his own greediness.

Here’s another thing to ponder:  How the *hell* do you think I could make
a living from something that hasn’t been released yet?  Some people . . .

-- 
dn ƃuᴉʞool ǝɹɐ sƃuᴉɥʇ

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#60654

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2014-06-09 20:34 -0500
Message-ID<slrnlpco4j.juq.timmcn@sugaree.local>
In reply to#60572
∆On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 15:46:34 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
wrote:
>
> The shareware / donationware system has worked for many people 
> (assuming their software was worth using in the first place) for 
> decades ... this just screams of someone greddily jumping on the 
> crowd-source-funding bandwagon to try and grab some money.

While I can't rule the latter part out, since I don't know Doc 
personally, it's a risk I am willing to take.  

However, your claim that the "shareware/donationware system has worked 
for many people... for decades" is bullshit.  It works great for people 
who want to get software for free; it works badly for people writing 
software who need to make a living.  A fraction of the people who 
download it pay for it, like 1-10 out of 1000.  And those 900-999 want 
their unpaid-for software maintained and updated.

I don't blame Doc for a second for wanting to see the money up front 
before he starts committing hours to development.  Software developed in 
people's spare time for free progresses very slowly because it 
necessarily takes a back seat to other things.

> Besides which, since it appears to be a hobby / spare time thing, it's 
> not like he's actually making a living from it, so this "economic 
> reality" nonsense is just a load of BS to excuse his own greediness.

How is it that you know this is a hobby/spare time thing for Doc?

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#60667

FromKaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com>
Date2014-06-10 08:27 -0500
Message-ID<539707c6$0$2359$862e30e2@ngroups.net>
In reply to#60654
On 2014-06-10 01:34:11 +0000, Tim McNamara said:

> ∆On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 15:46:34 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> The shareware / donationware system has worked for many people
>> (assuming their software was worth using in the first place) for
>> decades ... this just screams of someone greddily jumping on the
>> crowd-source-funding bandwagon to try and grab some money.
> 
> While I can't rule the latter part out, since I don't know Doc
> personally, it's a risk I am willing to take.
> 
> However, your claim that the "shareware/donationware system has worked
> for many people... for decades" is bullshit.  It works great for people
> who want to get software for free; it works badly for people writing
> software who need to make a living.  A fraction of the people who
> download it pay for it, like 1-10 out of 1000.  And those 900-999 want
> their unpaid-for software maintained and updated.
> 
> I don't blame Doc for a second for wanting to see the money up front
> before he starts committing hours to development.  Software developed in
> people's spare time for free progresses very slowly because it
> necessarily takes a back seat to other things.

It's patronage pure and simple. That's all Kickstarter and all these 
crowd funding things really are. They aren't pre-orders, they aren't 
investements. They are you, supporting the creator, possibly with some 
tangable benifit or product for you at the end. And thankfully, with 
today's technology we have been able to streamline the process. I've 
kickstarted a number of projects, most successful, some less so. In any 
case, I knew what I was getting into when I "donated" my money to the 
projects.

I can get behind not wanting to spend your money in such a way. It's 
your money, you can and should do as you please. But these personal 
attacks being slung about, WOW. Is there any wonder Usenet is a dying 
medium?

> 
>> Besides which, since it appears to be a hobby / spare time thing, it's
>> not like he's actually making a living from it, so this "economic
>> reality" nonsense is just a load of BS to excuse his own greediness.
> 
> How is it that you know this is a hobby/spare time thing for Doc?

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#60698

FromInvid Fan <invid@loclanet.com>
Date2014-06-10 14:49 -0400
Message-ID<100620141449530296%invid@loclanet.com>
In reply to#60667
In article <539707c6$0$2359$862e30e2@ngroups.net>, Kaltsas, Alexander
<macdude22@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> It's patronage pure and simple. That's all Kickstarter and all these 
> crowd funding things really are. They aren't pre-orders, they aren't 
> investements. 

Well, most of the ones I've funded ARE pre-orders. Creator wants to do
a print run of a book, but needs to raise a few thousand to cover
printing costs first, so uses Kickstarter to make sure there's demand
for 2000 copies and get the money up front. What I end up getting
usually equals in value the amount I've spent. There are exceptions,
such as when I funded the completion of the Pink Five fan film, but
that's rare for me.

Now, Patreon, from which I make a bit of money for my writing, IS pure
patronage.

-- 
Chris Mack       "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

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#60708

FromKaltsas, Alexander <macdude22@yahoo.com>
Date2014-06-10 14:20 -0500
Message-ID<53975a80$2$12438$862e30e2@ngroups.net>
In reply to#60698
On 2014-06-10 18:49:53 +0000, Invid Fan said:

> In article <539707c6$0$2359$862e30e2@ngroups.net>, Kaltsas, Alexander
> <macdude22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> It's patronage pure and simple. That's all Kickstarter and all these
>> crowd funding things really are. They aren't pre-orders, they aren't
>> investements.
> 
> Well, most of the ones I've funded ARE pre-orders. Creator wants to do
> a print run of a book, but needs to raise a few thousand to cover
> printing costs first, so uses Kickstarter to make sure there's demand
> for 2000 copies and get the money up front. What I end up getting
> usually equals in value the amount I've spent. There are exceptions,
> such as when I funded the completion of the Pink Five fan film, but
> that's rare for me.
> 
> Now, Patreon, from which I make a bit of money for my writing, IS pure
> patronage.

I've done this with several board games, practically they are 
pre-orders. They get a solid count of what to produce, and the funding 
to do it. But honestly, it really is micro-patronage. There's no 
meaniful recourse if the project never comes to completion. Given that, 
I think prefunding Signal in this manner is the perfect way to get it 
made. In the case of signal where the developer is trying to raise the 
money to cover his costs of developing the application so then it can 
be released free of charge to everyone, patronage. We are financially 
encouraging the developer to practice his art.

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#60759

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2014-06-10 22:25 -0500
Message-ID<slrnlpfj1o.mn1.timmcn@sugaree.local>
In reply to#60667
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 08:27:34 -0500, Kaltsas Alexander 
<macdude22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2014-06-10 01:34:11 +0000, Tim McNamara said:
>
>> ∆On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 15:46:34 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The shareware / donationware system has worked for many people 
>>> (assuming their software was worth using in the first place) for 
>>> decades ... this just screams of someone greddily jumping on the 
>>> crowd-source-funding bandwagon to try and grab some money.
>> 
>> While I can't rule the latter part out, since I don't know Doc 
>> personally, it's a risk I am willing to take.
>> 
>> However, your claim that the "shareware/donationware system has 
>> worked for many people... for decades" is bullshit.  It works great 
>> for people who want to get software for free; it works badly for 
>> people writing software who need to make a living.  A fraction of the 
>> people who download it pay for it, like 1-10 out of 1000.  And those 
>> 900-999 want their unpaid-for software maintained and updated.
>> 
>> I don't blame Doc for a second for wanting to see the money up front 
>> before he starts committing hours to development.  Software developed 
>> in people's spare time for free progresses very slowly because it 
>> necessarily takes a back seat to other things.
>
> It's patronage pure and simple. That's all Kickstarter and all these 
> crowd funding things really are. They aren't pre-orders, they aren't 
> investements. They are you, supporting the creator, possibly with some 
> tangable benifit or product for you at the end. And thankfully, with 
> today's technology we have been able to streamline the process. I've 
> kickstarted a number of projects, most successful, some less so. In 
> any case, I knew what I was getting into when I "donated" my money to 
> the projects.
>
> I can get behind not wanting to spend your money in such a way. It's 
> your money, you can and should do as you please. But these personal 
> attacks being slung about, WOW. Is there any wonder Usenet is a dying 
> medium?

I think you didn't pay enough attention to attribution here.

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#60579

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-06-09 05:20 +0000
Message-ID<ln3g6m$86h$3@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#60505
Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> Yes, this app I already have running is a complete scam.  And, really,
> aren't we all sick an tired of the string of newsreaders we've had that
> *were* run like they were hobby projects?

Care to be specific, and say exactly which ones these are?

Billy Y..
-- 
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