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  Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-02 16:33 -0400
    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-02 20:43 +0000
      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-03 09:37 +1200
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-06-02 18:20 -0400
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-02 23:17 +0000
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-02 18:00 -0700
      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-06-02 16:55 -0700
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-02 18:01 -0700
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-03 13:18 +1200
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-02 20:12 -0700
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-02 20:23 -0700
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-02 20:29 -0700
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-03 13:07 +0000
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-06-03 06:48 -0700
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-06-03 14:35 +0000
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-06-03 12:53 -0400
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-03 16:59 +0000
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-06-03 16:08 -0400
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-03 11:16 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-06-03 13:35 -0700
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 09:29 +1200
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-03 21:39 +0000
                        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-03 22:08 +0000
                        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-06-05 23:52 -0400
                          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 05:39 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-03 16:17 -0700
                        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-06-04 01:03 -0400
                          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-03 22:48 -0700
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) cb <cb@aol.com> - 2014-06-04 15:39 +0200
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-03 20:57 +0000
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 09:35 +1200
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-03 11:09 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-06-03 17:04 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-03 17:19 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 13:16 +1200
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-06-03 22:11 -0700
                        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 18:54 +1200
                          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 15:50 +0000
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-04 03:08 +0000
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-03 19:39 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-06-03 17:05 -0700
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-03 17:57 -0400
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-06-03 17:06 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-04 21:33 -0400
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-06-05 15:56 -0400
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-03 08:46 +0200
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-03 01:43 +0000
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-06-02 20:20 -0700
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-03 05:02 +0000
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-06-03 10:07 +0200
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-06-03 06:51 -0700
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-03 18:46 +1200
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-06-04 01:17 -0400
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 19:00 +1200
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 15:52 +0000
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-06-10 04:03 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-10 16:06 +1200
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-06-10 10:35 -0500
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-10 16:06 -0400
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-06-10 15:47 -0500
                        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-11 09:38 +1200
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-11 09:22 +1200
                        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-10 22:57 +0000
                          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-11 13:18 +1200
                        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-10 16:24 -0700
                          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-10 16:28 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2014-06-10 18:54 -0600
                              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-10 20:40 -0700
                            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-11 13:17 +1200
                          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-11 02:52 +0000
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-11 09:20 +1200
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-11 12:23 +1200
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 15:50 +0000
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-04 08:58 -0700
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-04 15:09 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 20:14 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-04 19:26 -0700
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-05 09:53 +1200
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 04:05 +0000
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 05:19 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-05 18:13 +0000
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-06 09:25 +1200
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-06-05 17:06 -0700
                        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-06 13:03 +1200
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-03 12:35 -0400
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-03 16:40 +0000
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-03 12:58 -0400
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-03 17:00 +0000
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 09:33 +1200
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 09:45 +1200
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-03 17:56 -0400
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-03 02:47 +0000
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 13:07 -0700
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-19 09:34 +1200
      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-02 21:43 -0400
      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 13:40 +1200
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-06-03 22:14 -0500
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 03:20 +0000
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 16:32 +1200
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-06-04 07:30 -0500
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 15:48 +0000
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 15:48 +0000
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-04 22:53 +0000
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 04:19 +0000
    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-02 22:02 +0000
      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-03 17:55 -0400
    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-02 19:40 -0700
    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-03 02:44 +0000
      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-06-03 08:24 -0700
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-06-03 12:57 -0500
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-03 18:46 -0700
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-06-03 22:16 -0500
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-04 12:16 -0400
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-03 23:20 -0400
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 16:17 +1200
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-06-03 22:58 -0700
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-04 00:00 -0700
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-03 23:21 -0500
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-04 04:37 +0000
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 15:58 +0000
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-04 22:30 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 22:38 +0000
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-05 03:11 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 05:18 +0000
                        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-06-05 09:37 -0700
                          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 16:45 +0000
                            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-05 10:04 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 17:53 +0000
                            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-05 11:15 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 19:04 +0000
                                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 19:30 +0000
                                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-06-06 21:05 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 19:28 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-05 01:32 -0400
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-06-04 12:30 -0400
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-04 09:39 -0700
              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 04:03 +0000
                Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 05:23 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 19:02 +0000
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-05 19:34 +0000
                  Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-06-06 10:33 -0400
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-06 14:58 +0000
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-07 10:22 +1200
                    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-06 19:39 +0000
                      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-07 02:45 +0000
                        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-07 05:10 +0000
                          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-07 14:19 +0000
                            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-06-07 08:17 -0700
                              Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-07 16:20 +0000
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-04 19:01 +1200
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 15:54 +0000
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-04 15:57 +0000
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-05 04:16 +0000
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-06-03 15:06 -0400
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-04 09:36 +1200
      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-03 15:50 +0000
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-03 15:54 +0000
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-03 19:15 +0000
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-03 19:52 +0000
      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-03 15:54 +0000
    Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-03 15:55 +0000
      Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2014-06-03 15:24 -0400
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-03 19:38 +0000
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-03 21:33 +0000
        Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-03 19:53 +0000
          Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2014-06-03 17:52 -0400
            Re: Yosemite (OS X 10.10) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-03 22:07 +0000

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#60131

On 2014-06-04, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> On 2014-06-04 04:32:47 +0000, Your Name said:
>
>> In article <lmm2v9$chm$2@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
>> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-06-04 01:40:36 +0000, Your Name said:
>>>> In article <538ce1ef$0$52793$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter
>>>> <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <i_CdndcZovgYQhHOnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>> Alan Browne  <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You've all heard by now that 10.10 will be Yosemite.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hadn't, but then, I hadn't gone looking for new from WWDC.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, cool name. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but from all the publicty and
>>>> keynote screenshots I've found so far, the "flattening" of Mac OS X has
>>>> removed the 3D Dock (or at least no it is longer the default).
>>>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/features/3522886/OSX-Yosemite-Mac.jpg
>>> 
>>> I noticed it but didn't give it much thought, still haven't.  I try not
>>> to get hung up on the trivialities.
>> 
>> We might have to start a "Bring back the 3D Dock" petition.  ;-)
>> 
>> Personally I don't care either, but there were people in here whining
>> on about how the persepctive was wrong and "annoying".
>
> I complained when iOS7 came out almost entirely because of the over use 
> of pastels.  My aging eyes need a bit more contrast, especially on the 
> very small phone screens.  Since then I had cataract surgery and it 
> doesn't bother me as much, but if I had my druthers, I'd druther have 
> more contrast.

Apple apparently heard you, because in a later update, they added the
ability to increase contrast.

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#60130

On 2014-06-04, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <lmm2v9$chm$2@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
><lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-06-04 01:40:36 +0000, Your Name said:
>> > In article <538ce1ef$0$52793$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter
>> > <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <i_CdndcZovgYQhHOnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> >> Alan Browne  <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> You've all heard by now that 10.10 will be Yosemite.
>> >> 
>> >> I hadn't, but then, I hadn't gone looking for new from WWDC.
>> >> 
>> >> Anyway, cool name. :-)
>> > 
>> > I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but from all the publicty and
>> > keynote screenshots I've found so far, the "flattening" of Mac OS X has
>> > removed the 3D Dock (or at least no it is longer the default).
>> > http://www.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/features/3522886/OSX-Yosemite-Mac.jpg
>> 
>> I noticed it but didn't give it much thought, still haven't.  I try not 
>> to get hung up on the trivialities.
>
> We might have to start a "Bring back the 3D Dock" petition.  ;-)
>
> Personally I don't care either, but there were people in here whining
> on about how the persepctive was wrong and "annoying".

Apparently they had nothing better to do. Personally, I don't make a
habit of staring at UI elements when I use my computer. I typically have
a certain task I want to accomplish, and I focus on that. As long as Mac
OS allows me to get stuff done easily, I really couldn't care less
whether the perspective of some stupid UI element is slightly off.

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JR

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#60183

For your reference, records indicate that 
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but from all the publicty and
> keynote screenshots I've found so far, the "flattening" of Mac OS X has
> removed the 3D Dock (or at least no it is longer the default).
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/features/3522886/OSX-Yosemite-Mac.jpg

I’ve always kept my dock on the right side because:

1. Old NeXT habits die hard
2. My monitor has way more horizontal space than vertical

so flat is already what I get.  In general, I’ve never been a fan of fake
3D or glare, or questionable use of transparency, so Yosemite is looking like
a bit of a mixed bag for me.

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#60210

In message <lmo81l$psc$1@dont-email.me> 
  Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that 
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>> I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but from all the publicty and
>> keynote screenshots I've found so far, the "flattening" of Mac OS X has
>> removed the 3D Dock (or at least no it is longer the default).
>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/features/3522886/OSX-Yosemite-Mac.jpg

> I’ve always kept my dock on the right side because:

> 1. Old NeXT habits die hard
> 2. My monitor has way more horizontal space than vertical

> so flat is already what I get.  In general, I’ve never been a fan of fake
> 3D or glare, or questionable use of transparency, so Yosemite is looking like
> a bit of a mixed bag for me.

I've tried the dock on the side, and it’s OK on the laptop right until I
connect a second display. It's not worth moving the dock given how much
I use it (or don’t use it, rather) so it lives on the bottom.

I never minded the glass dock, but I also don't much care one way or the
other. It demos well, I'll give it that.

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replacement.

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#59945

Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> writes:

> iCloud Drive seems to be another Dropbox - but I'm not sure I want all 
> my eggs in the Apple basket.  OTOH, a free 5 GB here, a free 5 GB there 
> ... begins to add up at some point.

That only works when you can get at it reasonably well -

http://MIX.COM/50Mb.png

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#60065

On 2014.06.02, 18:02 , billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> writes:
>
>> iCloud Drive seems to be another Dropbox - but I'm not sure I want all
>> my eggs in the Apple basket.  OTOH, a free 5 GB here, a free 5 GB there
>> ... begins to add up at some point.
>
> That only works when you can get at it reasonably well -
>
> http://MIX.COM/50Mb.png

I get 30 Mbps (reliably) and 10 Mbps (reliably) from here to everywhere 
in the northeast and to Vancouver.  To LA I get about 25 and 8.

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#59969

On 2014-06-02 20:33:10 +0000, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:

> 
> You've all heard by now that 10.10 will be Yosemite.
> 
> Looking at the event transcript: I like a few things it, the dock 
> having much easier to see "app running" indicators, for example.
> 
> The transparent Finder seems silly.  I hope that can be turned off.
> 
> iCloud Drive seems to be another Dropbox - but I'm not sure I want all 
> my eggs in the Apple basket.  OTOH, a free 5 GB here, a free 5 GB there 
> ... begins to add up at some point.

It's the same free 5GB we have always had, it seems the difference is 
the restoration of some stuff such as file sharing which we lost when 
iDisc and mobileme went away. Also, Apple seems to have woken up to the 
fact they were not competitive price wise.
< 
http://www.zdnet.com/apple-to-challenge-dropbox-and-box-with-icloud-drive-7000030118/ 
>

I managed to pick up a free 50GB from Box with a promotion they had 
earlier this year.

> For the rest, we'll see in the fall...
> 
> Did you spot things you like or not in the presentation (I'll try to 
> catch the keynote on the Apple TV later...).


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#59971

In message <i_CdndcZovgYQhHOnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> You've all heard by now that 10.10 will be Yosemite.

> Looking at the event transcript: I like a few things it, the dock having 
> much easier to see "app running" indicators, for example.

> The transparent Finder seems silly.  I hope that can be turned off.

> iCloud Drive seems to be another Dropbox - but I'm not sure I want all 
> my eggs in the Apple basket.  OTOH, a free 5 GB here, a free 5 GB there 
> ... begins to add up at some point.

> For the rest, we'll see in the fall...

> Did you spot things you like or not in the presentation (I'll try to 
> catch the keynote on the Apple TV later...).

Concurrency? (not sure that was the name) but being able to move from
phone to computer to iPad seamlessly and even make calls or send SMS from
other devices? Oh yeah.

Widgets into Notification Center? Sounds great.

I like the new features in Safari and I am pleasantly surprised that RSS
is back.


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#60004

On 2014-06-03 02:44:55 +0000, Lewis said:

> Concurrency? (not sure that was the name) but being able to move from
> phone to computer to iPad seamlessly and even make calls or send SMS from
> other devices? Oh yeah.
> 
> Widgets into Notification Center? Sounds great.
> 
> I like the new features in Safari and I am pleasantly surprised that RSS
> is back.

Wow a post that wasn't about the name. I'm impressed.

I saw lots of interesting stuff—as always.

It seems that between the “Notifications” and the Dashboard and it’s 
widgets they’re going to cobble together ONE thing that will might 
really be useful: A quick way to see the x number of things that are 
interesting to *the user* on an immediate basis.

Spotlight, over many a year, cobbled together more effectively with the 
app launcher, seems to be maturing to a really usable item.

Mail Drop looks functional. We’ve been using Air Drop around the house 
here, the wife and I, and the ability for her to use it, as a bona fide 
iPad fan, in conjunction with her Mac looks great.

Mark-Up addresses something all of us have wanted: writing on any/all 
image type documents.

They seem to have taken off the gloves in the browser competition with 
Safari’s recent expansion. Under the hood they have really expanded it 
dramatically--we're told.  The idea of being able to stream NetFlix 
directly through the browser without using whatever MS software is 
currently in use sounds like an addition of significant refinement.

HealthKit, though clearly in its infancy, directs itself to real-world 
solutions to real-world problems.  I’m definitely for it’s expansion 
and refinement.

I found the cut-away shots the the audience interesting. It looked like 
a high-school assembly.  I know they’re pimping the “youth” and “up to 
date” aspect of all things Apple, but still doing it well.

The idea of merging iPhone, iPad and iMac into one large multi-headed 
Hydra (or is it Medusa?), is a brilliant way to move iPhone or iPad 
users into Mac users, but if they can really make it seamless—god bless 
them!

I was surprised when they showed the Android users adaptation to the 
current OS: only 9% are using the newest software, and over 40% (?) are 
stuck in software that is over 4 years old.  Similarly the stats for 
using the newest version of Windows, tells you something about how 
eager to adapt the other companies’ users are: They’re not.  On the 
other hand moving to the newest software for the iPhone/iPad/iMac is 
becoming less frightening all the time.  And expense?  Free is always 
the best number to move the intransigent…

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#60030

On 2014-06-03 15:24:59 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2014-06-03 02:44:55 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
>> Concurrency? (not sure that was the name) but being able to move from
>> phone to computer to iPad seamlessly and even make calls or send SMS from
>> other devices? Oh yeah.
>> 
>> Widgets into Notification Center? Sounds great.
>> 
>> I like the new features in Safari and I am pleasantly surprised that RSS
>> is back.
> 
> Wow a post that wasn't about the name. I'm impressed.
> 
> I saw lots of interesting stuff—as always.
> 
> It seems that between the “Notifications” and the Dashboard and it’s 
> widgets they’re going to cobble together ONE thing that will might 
> really be useful: A quick way to see the x number of things that are 
> interesting to *the user* on an immediate basis.
> 
> Spotlight, over many a year, cobbled together more effectively with the 
> app launcher, seems to be maturing to a really usable item.

Spotlight has been very useable already, adding the 'net to it just 
makes it much more sweet.  That's one of the things I like with Windows 
8/8.1 too, global search easily done.

> 
> Mail Drop looks functional. We’ve been using Air Drop around the house 
> here, the wife and I, and the ability for her to use it, as a bona fide 
> iPad fan, in conjunction with her Mac looks great.

Amen!! I didn't use it because the Mac had been left out of the mix.

> 
> Mark-Up addresses something all of us have wanted: writing on any/all 
> image type documents.

I was very impressed with that too!

> 
> They seem to have taken off the gloves in the browser competition with 
> Safari’s recent expansion. Under the hood they have really expanded it 
> dramatically--we're told.  The idea of being able to stream NetFlix 
> directly through the browser without using whatever MS software is 
> currently in use sounds like an addition of significant refinement.
> 
> HealthKit, though clearly in its infancy, directs itself to real-world 
> solutions to real-world problems.  I’m definitely for it’s expansion 
> and refinement.

It will be interesting to see how far this goes.

> 
> I found the cut-away shots the the audience interesting. It looked like 
> a high-school assembly.  I know they’re pimping the “youth” and “up to 
> date” aspect of all things Apple, but still doing it well.
> 
> The idea of merging iPhone, iPad and iMac into one large multi-headed 
> Hydra (or is it Medusa?), is a brilliant way to move iPhone or iPad 
> users into Mac users, but if they can really make it seamless—god bless 
> them!

I thought about that too.  When home I can put the iphone on a charger 
wherever and just use my iPad or Mac to make and receive calls.  And 
with the new 'instant hotspot', why would one need to buy an iPad with 
cell support?  It seems this is all similar to what is being done in 
many cars these days.  My Buick has bluetooth to the iPhone and it is 
seamless and simple.

> 
> I was surprised when they showed the Android users adaptation to the 
> current OS: only 9% are using the newest software, and over 40% (?) are 
> stuck in software that is over 4 years old.  Similarly the stats for 
> using the newest version of Windows, tells you something about how 
> eager to adapt the other companies’ users are: They’re not.  On the 
> other hand moving to the newest software for the iPhone/iPad/iMac is 
> becoming less frightening all the time.  And expense?  Free is always 
> the best number to move the intransigent…

Apple has almost always been much better about OS upgrades along the 
way, as well as integrating all things Apple to interact with each 
other.  Next thing you'll know is that you'll be able to make and 
receive phone calls from your apple TV!!  :)

-- 
Lloyd

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#60083

In article <lml2b1$a2u$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> I thought about that too.  When home I can put the iphone on a charger 
> wherever and just use my iPad or Mac to make and receive calls.  And 
> with the new 'instant hotspot', why would one need to buy an iPad with 
> cell support?

it all depends on what the carrier charges for the hotspot.  I have my
iPad and iPhone on different carriers so that if I'm in an area where
one doesn't have a usable connection and the other does, I'm still
connected.

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#60092

On 2014-06-04 01:46:22 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <lml2b1$a2u$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> I thought about that too.  When home I can put the iphone on a charger
>> wherever and just use my iPad or Mac to make and receive calls.  And
>> with the new 'instant hotspot', why would one need to buy an iPad with
>> cell support?
> 
> it all depends on what the carrier charges for the hotspot.  I have my
> iPad and iPhone on different carriers so that if I'm in an area where
> one doesn't have a usable connection and the other does, I'm still
> connected.

I got the impression from the keynote that the hotspot was all done by 
the phone and the carrier isn't involved.  I mean they do the same 
thing in my Buick now via bluetooth, can't see why it wouldn't work the 
same.

-- 
Lloyd

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#60145

On 14-06-03 23:16, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:

> I got the impression from the keynote that the hotspot was all done by 
> the phone and the carrier isn't involved.  I mean they do the same 
> thing in my Buick now via bluetooth, can't see why it wouldn't work the 
> same.

Apple included the ability of a carrier (Aka: AT&T) to disable tethering
alltogether (when it was not ready for it) and then to sell tethering
separatly at a premium as the connection is established to different APN
name allowing AT&T to know this is tethering data.

However, technically, a disabled tethering would not require disabling
of wi-fi hotspot since the wi-fi hotspot is beween local machines.
(tethering is what links it to the HSPA/LTE link with carrier).

There isn't much clarity on how voice will be billed with LTE. Will it
be billed by the minute , UBB free, or will voice be free but as data ?

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#60094

On 14-06-03 13:57, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:

> Spotlight has been very useable already, adding the 'net to it just 
> makes it much more sweet.  That's one of the things I like with Windows 
> 8/8.1 too, global search easily done.

I would prefer spotlight be limited to "fine file NAME". I personally do
not care about finding stuff on the internet.

iF i am looking for a recently downloaded submission from BelL Canada, I
want to be able to find it on the hard drive.

I wish they would then let me right click to choose the app to open it.


If spotlight will return all sorts of useless drivel from the internet,
it looses usefulness.

Having s mall buttons in the spotlight input field might be able to
restrict the search.




I cannot understand why Apple insists on claiming translucency is so
great. All it does is readuces readability of test, and to counter it,
you have to set yoru backdrop to drap blue or black. (which defeats the
whole point of having a background).

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#60095

In article <538e9070$0$18191$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 14-06-03 13:57, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
> 
> > Spotlight has been very useable already, adding the 'net to it just 
> > makes it much more sweet.  That's one of the things I like with Windows 
> > 8/8.1 too, global search easily done.
> 
> I would prefer spotlight be limited to "fine file NAME". I personally do
> not care about finding stuff on the internet.

Yep, me too. I want Finder to find a file on my computer. When I want
to find something on the Internet I'll use the web browser's search
feature as it was deisnged to do.  :-\



> iF i am looking for a recently downloaded submission from BelL Canada, I
> want to be able to find it on the hard drive.
> 
> I wish they would then let me right click to choose the app to open it.
> 
> 
> If spotlight will return all sorts of useless drivel from the internet,
> it looses usefulness.
> 
> Having s mall buttons in the spotlight input field might be able to
> restrict the search.

It's not as if it's even new ... Sherlock under Mac OS 9 (and earlier
versions of Mac OS X) was able to search various locations and use
plug-ins to add more, such as Amazon.




> I cannot understand why Apple insists on claiming translucency is so
> great. All it does is readuces readability of test, and to counter it,
> you have to set yoru backdrop to drap blue or black. (which defeats the
> whole point of having a background).

Ives has obviously a fetish about stupid translucency ... we saw it in
the first iMac and now he's interferring with the software, it's
becoming a hideous nuisance (the translucent menubar was bad enough). 
:-(

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#60107

On 2014-06-04 04:17:02 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <538e9070$0$18191$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
>> On 14-06-03 13:57, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>> 
>>> Spotlight has been very useable already, adding the 'net to it just
>>> makes it much more sweet.  That's one of the things I like with Windows
>>> 8/8.1 too, global search easily done.
>> 
>> I would prefer spotlight be limited to "fine file NAME". I personally do
>> not care about finding stuff on the internet.
> 
> Yep, me too. I want Finder to find a file on my computer. When I want
> to find something on the Internet I'll use the web browser's search
> feature as it was deisnged to do.  :-\
> 
> 
> 
>> iF i am looking for a recently downloaded submission from BelL Canada, I
>> want to be able to find it on the hard drive.
>> 
>> I wish they would then let me right click to choose the app to open it.
>> 
>> 
>> If spotlight will return all sorts of useless drivel from the internet,
>> it looses usefulness.
>> 
>> Having s mall buttons in the spotlight input field might be able to
>> restrict the search.
> 
> It's not as if it's even new ... Sherlock under Mac OS 9 (and earlier
> versions of Mac OS X) was able to search various locations and use
> plug-ins to add more, such as Amazon.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> I cannot understand why Apple insists on claiming translucency is so
>> great. All it does is readuces readability of test, and to counter it,
>> you have to set yoru backdrop to drap blue or black. (which defeats the
>> whole point of having a background).
> 
> Ives has obviously a fetish about stupid translucency ... we saw it in
> the first iMac and now he's interferring with the software, it's
> becoming a hideous nuisance (the translucent menubar was bad enough).
> :-(

I assume you can turn that off; that is, you can limit your Spotlight 
searches in myriad ways, just like now.

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#60116

On 2014-06-04 04:17:02 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <538e9070$0$18191$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
>> On 14-06-03 13:57, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>> 
>>> Spotlight has been very useable already, adding the 'net to it just
>>> makes it much more sweet.  That's one of the things I like with Windows
>>> 8/8.1 too, global search easily done.
>> 
>> I would prefer spotlight be limited to "fine file NAME". I personally do
>> not care about finding stuff on the internet.
> 
> Yep, me too. I want Finder to find a file on my computer. When I want
> to find something on the Internet I'll use the web browser's search
> feature as it was deisnged to do.  :-\

1. I'll be that the find field in Finder windows won't search the 
internet, so there's that.

2. I'll also bet that "filename:<filenamesnippet>" will work in the new 
Spotlight search just the way it works now.

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#60096

On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:20:15 -0400, JF Mezei 
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-06-03 13:57, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>
>> Spotlight has been very useable already, adding the 'net to it just 
>> makes it much more sweet.  That's one of the things I like with 
>> Windows 8/8.1 too, global search easily done.
>
> I would prefer spotlight be limited to "fine file NAME". I personally 
> do not care about finding stuff on the internet.

It's like the Return of Sherlock:  Spotlock or Sherlight.  No thanks; I 
don't want web page hits cluttering up my search for a file (and I don't 
want the further erosion of privacy that is bound to come with this).

I wish that Spotlight in Mavericks would tell me where the damn file is 
rather than letting me just quick-look at it or open it.  I usually want 
to know what folder I lost something in.

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#60101

Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> writes:

> It's like the Return of Sherlock:  Spotlock or Sherlight.  No thanks; I 
> don't want web page hits cluttering up my search for a file (and I don't 
> want the further erosion of privacy that is bound to come with this).
> 
> I wish that Spotlight in Mavericks would tell me where the damn file is 
> rather than letting me just quick-look at it or open it.  I usually want 
> to know what folder I lost something in.

You want Find Any File.

http://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/

| Find Any File is a program for Mac OS X that lets you search for files
| on your disks.
|
| Contrary to Spotlight, it does not use a database but instead uses the
| file system driver's fast search operations, where available. This lets
| you search for file properties such as name, dates, size, etc., but not
| for file content (use Spotlight or EasyFind for that).
|
| Find Any File can find files that Spotlight doesn't, e.g. those inside
| bundles and packages and in inside folders that are usually excluded
| from Spotlight search.
|
| Finally, it is quite fast. A search only takes a few seconds on an
| internal hard disk or SSD. Try for yourself!

And, it can also seach with root permission.

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#60138

On 2014-06-04, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 23:20:15 -0400, JF Mezei 
><jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> On 14-06-03 13:57, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>>
>>> Spotlight has been very useable already, adding the 'net to it just 
>>> makes it much more sweet.  That's one of the things I like with 
>>> Windows 8/8.1 too, global search easily done.
>>
>> I would prefer spotlight be limited to "fine file NAME". I personally 
>> do not care about finding stuff on the internet.
>
> It's like the Return of Sherlock:  Spotlock or Sherlight.  No thanks; I 
> don't want web page hits cluttering up my search for a file (and I don't 
> want the further erosion of privacy that is bound to come with this).
>
> I wish that Spotlight in Mavericks would tell me where the damn file is 
> rather than letting me just quick-look at it or open it.  I usually want 
> to know what folder I lost something in.

That's brain-dead easy already: Just hold down the Command key while
clicking a file in the search results. ; )

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