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Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?

Started byDon Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
First post2014-04-27 17:25 -0700
Last post2014-05-02 19:48 -0400
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  Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-27 17:25 -0700
    Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-27 20:29 -0400
    Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-04-27 18:05 -0700
    Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-04-27 18:10 -0700
      Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-27 18:53 -0700
    Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-28 16:47 +0000
      Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-28 11:32 -0700
        Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? android <here@there.was> - 2014-04-28 21:30 +0200
        Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-29 09:17 +1200
          Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-29 03:02 +0000
            Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 17:04 -0400
        Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-28 22:22 +0000
          Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-28 19:23 -0400
            Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-28 18:32 -0700
              Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 16:38 -0400
        Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-29 03:00 +0000
          POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-04-29 08:36 +0200
            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-29 19:10 +1200
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-04-29 10:49 +0200
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-30 09:21 +1200
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:23 +0000
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-02 17:27 +0000
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-04-30 15:28 +0100
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-30 14:52 +0000
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 16:28 -0400
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 16:39 -0400
            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-29 03:18 -0400
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-29 19:22 +1200
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-29 10:05 +0100
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-04-29 10:23 -0400
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-30 09:16 +1200
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-29 17:28 -0400
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 16:28 -0400
            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-29 20:47 +0000
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-04-29 20:27 -0500
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-29 21:42 -0400
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-30 14:19 +0000
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-04-30 17:50 -0500
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-30 23:36 +0000
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-30 17:50 -0700
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-01 13:13 +1200
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-04-30 21:15 -0700
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-01 18:22 +1200
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:11 +0000
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:09 +0000
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-04-30 08:41 +0200
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-30 03:17 -0400
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-04-30 09:47 +0200
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-30 04:54 -0400
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-04-30 11:32 +0200
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-04-30 06:51 -0700
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-01 09:27 +1200
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 18:00 -0400
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-05-02 10:00 +0200
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-02 09:48 +0100
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 10:07 -0400
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:16 +0000
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-30 14:09 +0000
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:14 +0000
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-30 14:14 +0000
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-04-30 19:18 +0000
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 17:06 -0400
            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?) John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-05-01 18:56 -0400
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-02 12:23 +1200
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-05-02 10:34 -0400
              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2014-05-01 18:25 -0600
                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-02 01:46 +0000
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-02 05:48 +0000
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-02 03:20 -0400
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP android <here@there.was> - 2014-05-02 10:50 +0200
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-02 06:04 -0400
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP android <here@there.was> - 2014-05-02 12:14 +0200
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:39 +0000
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-02 18:32 +0000
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-02 10:55 -0500
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-02 16:50 +0000
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-03 11:30 -0500
                              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-03 16:45 +0000
                                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-04 11:43 -0500
                                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-05 20:41 +0000
                                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-06 12:32 -0500
                                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-06 17:41 +0000
                                        Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-07 12:25 -0500
                                          Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-08 00:10 +0000
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-07 20:32 -0400
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-05-08 04:29 +0000
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) dyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid - 2014-05-08 14:40 +0000
                                              Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-10 07:16 -0700
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-08 16:14 -0500
                                              Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-08 21:42 +0000
                                                Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-09 12:15 -0500
                                                  Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-09 18:42 +0000
                                                    Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-10 16:42 -0500
                                                      Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-11 01:08 +0000
                                                        Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-11 16:40 -0500
                                                          Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-05-11 17:52 -0700
                                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-12 11:39 -0500
                                                          Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-05-11 21:25 -0400
                                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-12 11:53 -0500
                                                          Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 10:29 +0000
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-09 03:45 +0000
                                              Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-09 09:30 -0400
                                                Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-09 18:17 -0400
                                                  Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-09 19:28 -0400
                                                  Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-10 13:30 +1200
                                              Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-05-12 00:12 +0000
                                                Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2014-05-11 21:32 -0400
                                                  Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-12 04:00 -0700
                                          Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2014-05-08 11:42 +0200
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-08 16:33 -0500
                                            Re: Of what value is Usenet? (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-09 03:43 +0000
                                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-07 19:27 +0000
                                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-08 15:55 -0500
                                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-08 22:16 +0000
                                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-09 11:35 -0500
                                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-09 16:20 +0000
                                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-10 13:43 -0500
                                              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-11 04:20 +0000
                                                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-11 15:01 -0500
                                                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 14:27 +0000
                                                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-12 17:24 +0100
                                                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 17:38 +0000
                                                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-12 20:58 +0000
                                                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 21:33 +0000
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-02 17:17 +0000
                            Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-03 12:10 -0500
                              Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-03 23:13 +0000
                              Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-08 03:49 +0000
                                Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-08 16:02 -0500
                                  Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-09 09:22 +1200
                                  Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-09 01:20 +0000
                                    Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-09 11:43 -0500
                                      Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-09 18:36 +0000
                                        Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-10 17:47 +0000
                                          Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-11 19:38 +0100
                                            Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-11 19:05 +0000
                                              Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-11 20:13 +0100
                                                Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-11 23:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-12 10:01 +0100
                                                    Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 10:48 +0000
                                                      Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-12 15:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-12 17:22 +0100
                                                          Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-12 20:34 +0000
                                                          Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-12 20:57 +0000
                                                Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-12 02:20 +0000
                                          Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-11 15:14 -0500
                                        Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-10 13:53 -0500
                                          Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-10 20:29 +0000
                                            Re: Usenet enters the ring!  NNTP vs. (Re: POP3 vs. IMAP) Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-05-11 16:21 -0500
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP android <here@there.was> - 2014-05-04 20:08 +0200
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 13:17 -0400
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 22:08 +0000
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 18:35 -0400
                            Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-03 00:02 +0000
                              Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-03 09:37 -0400
                                Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-03 17:09 +0000
                                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-03 13:23 -0400
                                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-05-05 13:30 -0700
                                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP John White <jccw@comcast.net> - 2014-05-05 16:41 -0400
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-02 13:55 +0000
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP android <here@there.was> - 2014-05-02 16:10 +0200
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-05-02 10:37 -0400
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 10:48 -0400
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 11:09 -0400
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-02 17:06 +0000
                          Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-02 17:23 +0000
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:34 +0000
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-03 12:01 +1200
                  Re: POP3 vs. IMAP dyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid - 2014-05-02 17:00 +0000
                    Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 13:19 -0400
                      Re: POP3 vs. IMAP dyera@not.freeshell.org.invalid - 2014-05-03 16:29 +0000
                        Re: POP3 vs. IMAP Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-03 12:46 -0400
          Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-30 16:35 -0400
            Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 17:27 +0000
              Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 17:41 -0400
                Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-02 22:14 +0000
                  Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-02 18:46 -0400
                  Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-05-02 23:33 +0000
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#58971 — Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?

FromDon Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
Date2014-04-27 17:25 -0700
SubjectObnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?
Message-ID<ljk74s$ubi$1@dont-email.me>
This is gonna sound severely OCD, but... <shrug> So be it.

I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several 
years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4 
- yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny 
new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about 
upgrading to something newer)

It functions well enough, but it has a flaw that's right on the edge of 
driving me back to the hell of web-based email: It makes cutesy noises. 
I hear you already - "Wuddaya mean, it makes noises?" Exactly that! IT 
MAKES NOISES! I hit send, and a jet plane whooshes by. It has trouble 
talking to the server, and I hear something like an asthmatic foghorn. 
It checks for mail but finds nothing, so it "plinks". And I have no idea 
what other situations might make it decide to sound off. And less 
interest! All I want is for it to shut up and silently handle my email 
traffic.

Now, I'm sure there are folks who think it's cool, but so far as I'm 
concerned, the *ONLY* acceptable noise for a mail program to make is 
some sort of "New mail has arrived" signal. Aside from that, there's 
never, ever, under any circumstances whatsoever, any good reason for a 
mail program to make any sound at all. So I've gone looking for a way to 
silence Mail. With no luck. I've looked *EVERYWHERE* that makes even the 
most flimsy kind of sense to look, and come up with no way to make it 
shut up! Nothing in system prefs, nothing in the Mail program itself, 
nothing shows up on Google - NOTHING! Yet there MUST be a way to make 
this program shut the hell up and do its job silently, rather than 
having it trying to act like some sort of sound-effects program. 

Yes, I know this sounds like an insane gripe. Sorry, it's just how I am. 
Programs that make noises for no good reason bug me. SEVERELY. Even back 
in the days of the Apple II, I hated it when my computer made noises 
without my explicitly asking it to. So much that I literally wired in a 
switch to totally disable the speaker on my //e. That dislike for 
"chatty" computers hasn't changed a bit in all my years at a keyboard. 

Never mind that, at 4 in the everlovin' morning, that jet plane whoosh 
is (or at least seems) loud enough to wake the dead!

So I turn to the "group mind":
Can anyone tell me a way (that doesn't involve inane suggestions like 
"don't run it" or "turn off your speakers") to make Apple's Mail program 
operate in complete silence? The *ONLY* time I ever want to hear 
anything from it is when new mail comes in. Other than that, it should 
never, under any circumstances, make a sound. So how about it? Any ideas?

-- 
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#58972

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2014-04-27 20:29 -0400
Message-ID<270420142029544371%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58971
In article <ljk74s$ubi$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
wrote:

> This is gonna sound severely OCD, but... <shrug> So be it.
> 
> I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several 
> years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4 
> - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny 
> new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about 
> upgrading to something newer)
> 
> It functions well enough, but it has a flaw that's right on the edge of 
> driving me back to the hell of web-based email: It makes cutesy noises. 
> I hear you already - "Wuddaya mean, it makes noises?" Exactly that! IT 
> MAKES NOISES! I hit send, and a jet plane whooshes by. It has trouble 
> talking to the server, and I hear something like an asthmatic foghorn. 
> It checks for mail but finds nothing, so it "plinks". And I have no idea 
> what other situations might make it decide to sound off. And less 
> interest! All I want is for it to shut up and silently handle my email 
> traffic.
> 
> Now, I'm sure there are folks who think it's cool, but so far as I'm 
> concerned, the *ONLY* acceptable noise for a mail program to make is 
> some sort of "New mail has arrived" signal. Aside from that, there's 
> never, ever, under any circumstances whatsoever, any good reason for a 
> mail program to make any sound at all. So I've gone looking for a way to 
> silence Mail. With no luck. I've looked *EVERYWHERE* that makes even the 
> most flimsy kind of sense to look, and come up with no way to make it 
> shut up! Nothing in system prefs, nothing in the Mail program itself, 
> nothing shows up on Google - NOTHING! Yet there MUST be a way to make 
> this program shut the hell up and do its job silently, rather than 
> having it trying to act like some sort of sound-effects program. 

replace the sound resources in the app bundle with silent ones. it
might even work if you delete them.

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#58975

FromMichael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net>
Date2014-04-27 18:05 -0700
Message-ID<vilain-75AAD7.18053927042014@news.individual.net>
In reply to#58971
In article <ljk74s$ubi$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> 
wrote:

> This is gonna sound severely OCD, but... <shrug> So be it.
> 
> I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several 
> years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4 
> - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny 
> new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about 
> upgrading to something newer)
> 
> It functions well enough, but it has a flaw that's right on the edge of 
> driving me back to the hell of web-based email: It makes cutesy noises. 
> I hear you already - "Wuddaya mean, it makes noises?" Exactly that! IT 
> MAKES NOISES! I hit send, and a jet plane whooshes by. It has trouble 
> talking to the server, and I hear something like an asthmatic foghorn. 
> It checks for mail but finds nothing, so it "plinks". And I have no idea 
> what other situations might make it decide to sound off. And less 
> interest! All I want is for it to shut up and silently handle my email 
> traffic.
> 
> Now, I'm sure there are folks who think it's cool, but so far as I'm 
> concerned, the *ONLY* acceptable noise for a mail program to make is 
> some sort of "New mail has arrived" signal. Aside from that, there's 
> never, ever, under any circumstances whatsoever, any good reason for a 
> mail program to make any sound at all. So I've gone looking for a way to 
> silence Mail. With no luck. I've looked *EVERYWHERE* that makes even the 
> most flimsy kind of sense to look, and come up with no way to make it 
> shut up! Nothing in system prefs, nothing in the Mail program itself, 
> nothing shows up on Google - NOTHING! Yet there MUST be a way to make 
> this program shut the hell up and do its job silently, rather than 
> having it trying to act like some sort of sound-effects program. 
> 
> Yes, I know this sounds like an insane gripe. Sorry, it's just how I am. 
> Programs that make noises for no good reason bug me. SEVERELY. Even back 
> in the days of the Apple II, I hated it when my computer made noises 
> without my explicitly asking it to. So much that I literally wired in a 
> switch to totally disable the speaker on my //e. That dislike for 
> "chatty" computers hasn't changed a bit in all my years at a keyboard. 
> 
> Never mind that, at 4 in the everlovin' morning, that jet plane whoosh 
> is (or at least seems) loud enough to wake the dead!
> 
> So I turn to the "group mind":
> Can anyone tell me a way (that doesn't involve inane suggestions like 
> "don't run it" or "turn off your speakers") to make Apple's Mail program 
> operate in complete silence? The *ONLY* time I ever want to hear 
> anything from it is when new mail comes in. Other than that, it should 
> never, under any circumstances, make a sound. So how about it? Any ideas?

Well, I have a solution for you but I question your technical ability to 
follow or implement it.

You'll find 4 files in /Applications/Mail.app/Contents/Resources

Mail Fetch Error.aiff  
Mail Sent.aiff         
New Mail.aiff          
No Mail.aiff

Use a Music editor to make them silent or duplicate them with the 
Finder's COMMAND-D key after selecting them.

Then use the Terminal to zero out the files
cd /Applications/Mail.app/Contents/Resources
for i in Mail\ Fetch\ Error.aiff /
     Mail\ Sent.aiff \
     New\ Mail.aiff  \
     No\ Mail.aiff; do
cat /dev/null > $i
done

This will permanently silence Mail from making these sounds.

OR you could just use this pencil, paper, an envelop and some stamps.

Jesus, if such things bother you, just dump your computer and don't let 
the door bang you on the ass when you leave.

-- 
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[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#58976

Frombill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca>
Date2014-04-27 18:10 -0700
Message-ID<billvan-7A18AD.18102227042014@news.shawcable.net>
In reply to#58971
In article <ljk74s$ubi$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> 
wrote:

> This is gonna sound severely OCD, but... <shrug> So be it.
> 
> I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several 
> years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4 
> - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny 
> new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about 
> upgrading to something newer)

(snip)

> The *ONLY* time I ever want to hear 
> anything from it is when new mail comes in. Other than that, it should 
> never, under any circumstances, make a sound. So how about it? Any ideas?

Here's something cut and pasted from a Web forum dealing with something 
similar. Maybe it will work for you:

"Sounds like your preferences icon toolbar is missing, which can happen 
in Mail 2.1.3 alone and was removed from Mail 3.0. In the upper right 
hand corner of the window you opened by going to the Mail menu and then 
Preferences, along the title bar, is a light white/gray oval. Click on 
it once to reveal the different items you can change. You may have 
Accounts selected at the moment, click to Rules and make your changes."
-- 
bill

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#58978

FromDon Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
Date2014-04-27 18:53 -0700
Message-ID<ljkcak$ubi$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58976
In article <billvan-7A18AD.18102227042014@news.shawcable.net>,
 bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:

> In article <ljk74s$ubi$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> > This is gonna sound severely OCD, but... <shrug> So be it.
> > 
> > I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several 
> > years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4 
> > - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny 
> > new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about 
> > upgrading to something newer)
> 
> (snip)
> 
> > The *ONLY* time I ever want to hear 
> > anything from it is when new mail comes in. Other than that, it should 
> > never, under any circumstances, make a sound. So how about it? Any ideas?
> 
> Here's something cut and pasted from a Web forum dealing with something 
> similar. Maybe it will work for you:
> 
> "Sounds like your preferences icon toolbar is missing, which can happen 
> in Mail 2.1.3 alone and was removed from Mail 3.0. In the upper right 
> hand corner of the window you opened by going to the Mail menu and then 
> Preferences, along the title bar, is a light white/gray oval. Click on 
> it once to reveal the different items you can change. You may have 
> Accounts selected at the moment, click to Rules and make your changes."

<goes to prefs, looks for oval, finds it, clicks it>
<BLINK BLINK>
I wish I'd realized that was there... All I've ever seen was what I now 
know is the "Accounts" sub-window. And on "General" is exactly what I've 
been trying to find - a checkbox to kill the sounds. 

How in the world did I manage to miss that oval gadget? <sigh>

Thanks Bill!

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#58985

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-04-28 16:47 +0000
Message-ID<ljm0ni$nv3$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#58971
Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:

> I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several 
> years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4 
> - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny 
> new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about 
> upgrading to something newer)

Here's something you'll find useful, if you're using IMAP -

http://www.rothwell.us/imap-idle

Billy Y..
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#58987

FromDon Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
Date2014-04-28 11:32 -0700
Message-ID<ljm6qb$69k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58985
In article <ljm0ni$nv3$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote:

> Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:
> 
> > I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several 
> > years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4 
> > - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny 
> > new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about 
> > upgrading to something newer)
> 
> Here's something you'll find useful, if you're using IMAP -
> 
> http://www.rothwell.us/imap-idle
> 
> Billy Y..

I'm running POP3/SMTP with the outfit I'm going through now. I *THINK* 
they offer IMAP, but haven't bothered to look past the (for me) 
plenty-functional POP3/SMTP combination.

While I've heard folks talking about IMAP for years, I haven't seen any 
particular reason it's better/worth my effort to try to use it - Wanna 
try to "sell me"? I know very little about it beyond its existence and 
the fact that some people seem to think its the greatest thing since 
sliced bread, while others think it sucks, and still others fall 
somewhere between.

-- 
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#58988

Fromandroid <here@there.was>
Date2014-04-28 21:30 +0200
Message-ID<bs7oiuF3303U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#58987
In article <ljm6qb$69k$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> 
wrote:

> In article <ljm0ni$nv3$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> 
> > Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:
> > 
> > > I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several 
> > > years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4 
> > > - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny 
> > > new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about 
> > > upgrading to something newer)
> > 
> > Here's something you'll find useful, if you're using IMAP -
> > 
> > http://www.rothwell.us/imap-idle
> > 
> > Billy Y..
> 
> I'm running POP3/SMTP with the outfit I'm going through now. I *THINK* 
> they offer IMAP, but haven't bothered to look past the (for me) 
> plenty-functional POP3/SMTP combination.
> 
> While I've heard folks talking about IMAP for years, I haven't seen any 
> particular reason it's better/worth my effort to try to use it - Wanna 
> try to "sell me"? I know very little about it beyond its existence and 
> the fact that some people seem to think its the greatest thing since 
> sliced bread, while others think it sucks, and still others fall 
> somewhere between.

IMAP gives you access to your mail on several devices simultaneously. If 
idle is supported by your server you can get push like functionality.
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#58994

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-04-29 09:17 +1200
Message-ID<290420140917140370%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#58987
In article <ljm6qb$69k$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
wrote:
> In article <ljm0ni$nv3$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> > Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:
> > >
> > > I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several 
> > > years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4 
> > > - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny 
> > > new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about 
> > > upgrading to something newer)
> > 
> > Here's something you'll find useful, if you're using IMAP -
> > 
> > http://www.rothwell.us/imap-idle
> 
> I'm running POP3/SMTP with the outfit I'm going through now. I *THINK* 
> they offer IMAP, but haven't bothered to look past the (for me) 
> plenty-functional POP3/SMTP combination.
> 
> While I've heard folks talking about IMAP for years, I haven't seen any 
> particular reason it's better/worth my effort to try to use it - Wanna 
> try to "sell me"? I know very little about it beyond its existence and 
> the fact that some people seem to think its the greatest thing since 
> sliced bread, while others think it sucks, and still others fall 
> somewhere between.

Yep, I've never bothered with IMAP either, plartly because it's
pointless when you only have one device to do email on anyway.

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#59003

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-04-29 03:02 +0000
Message-ID<slrnllu5in.1rn9.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#58994
In message <290420140917140370%YourName@YourISP.com> 
  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <ljm6qb$69k$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
> wrote:
>> In article <ljm0ni$nv3$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote:
>> > Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:
>> > >
>> > > I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several 
>> > > years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4 
>> > > - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny 
>> > > new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about 
>> > > upgrading to something newer)
>> > 
>> > Here's something you'll find useful, if you're using IMAP -
>> > 
>> > http://www.rothwell.us/imap-idle
>> 
>> I'm running POP3/SMTP with the outfit I'm going through now. I *THINK* 
>> they offer IMAP, but haven't bothered to look past the (for me) 
>> plenty-functional POP3/SMTP combination.
>> 
>> While I've heard folks talking about IMAP for years, I haven't seen any 
>> particular reason it's better/worth my effort to try to use it - Wanna 
>> try to "sell me"? I know very little about it beyond its existence and 
>> the fact that some people seem to think its the greatest thing since 
>> sliced bread, while others think it sucks, and still others fall 
>> somewhere between.

> Yep, I've never bothered with IMAP either, plartly because it's
> pointless when you only have one device to do email on anyway.

No, IMAP is better than POP even if you only have one device. You have
your mail, and your server has your mail. Even the most clueless moron
will have a backup of sorts of their mail with IMAP.

IMAP also (almost) always allows you to access mail via a web browser,
so if you happen to be somewhere else and need to look up an email, not
only can you, but the email is there on the server.

-- 
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk?

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#59055

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-04-30 17:04 -0400
Message-ID<fvqdnXNteqnf-PzOnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#59003
On 2014.04.28, 23:02 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <290420140917140370%YourName@YourISP.com>
>    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> In article <ljm6qb$69k$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
>> wrote:
>>> In article <ljm0ni$nv3$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote:
>>>> Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several
>>>>> years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4
>>>>> - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny
>>>>> new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about
>>>>> upgrading to something newer)
>>>>
>>>> Here's something you'll find useful, if you're using IMAP -
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rothwell.us/imap-idle
>>>
>>> I'm running POP3/SMTP with the outfit I'm going through now. I *THINK*
>>> they offer IMAP, but haven't bothered to look past the (for me)
>>> plenty-functional POP3/SMTP combination.
>>>
>>> While I've heard folks talking about IMAP for years, I haven't seen any
>>> particular reason it's better/worth my effort to try to use it - Wanna
>>> try to "sell me"? I know very little about it beyond its existence and
>>> the fact that some people seem to think its the greatest thing since
>>> sliced bread, while others think it sucks, and still others fall
>>> somewhere between.
>
>> Yep, I've never bothered with IMAP either, plartly because it's
>> pointless when you only have one device to do email on anyway.
>
> No, IMAP is better than POP even if you only have one device. You have
> your mail, and your server has your mail. Even the most clueless moron
> will have a backup of sorts of their mail with IMAP.

In over 20 years of home ISP service, using POP mail, I've never had an 
issue with a lost e-mail.  I archive my e-mail at home.  I don't want it 
lingering on a server somewhere.  And if e-mail is lost or deleted, 
getting the correspondent to re-e-mail has never been an issue.

If I were running a business from home, that would be another matter. 
Though these days I might even look at Apple iCloud rather than an IMAP.

> IMAP also (almost) always allows you to access mail via a web browser,
> so if you happen to be somewhere else and need to look up an email, not
> only can you, but the email is there on the server.

I can do this with my POP account up to the number of days that I have 
it set to delete (1 day in my case).  When I access "un popped" e-mail 
via the web interface (while traveling) it does not affect the "timer", 
so when I get home and access the mail, it is still there (and finally 
POPed).

IMAP is great for businesses and some home users, POP is fine for most 
home users.

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
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#58995

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-04-28 22:22 +0000
Message-ID<ljmkbs$h1i$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#58987
Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:

> I'm running POP3/SMTP with the outfit I'm going through now. I *THINK* 
> they offer IMAP, but haven't bothered to look past the (for me) 
> plenty-functional POP3/SMTP combination.
> 
> While I've heard folks talking about IMAP for years, I haven't seen any 
> particular reason it's better/worth my effort to try to use it - Wanna 
> try to "sell me"? I know very little about it beyond its existence and 
> the fact that some people seem to think its the greatest thing since 
> sliced bread, while others think it sucks, and still others fall 
> somewhere between.

The main advantage of adding support for IMAP Idle is you get new
mail delivered immediately, without polling for it.  Other than that,
if you're happy with what you have, and are leaving a copy of mail on
the server until you back up (IMAP keeps copies), there's no need to
switch.

Apple Mail didn't support IMAP Idle until OS 10.5.

Billy Y..
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#58997

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-04-28 19:23 -0400
Message-ID<mLadndVNE_2dfsPOnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#58995
On 2014.04.28, 18:22 , billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:
>
>> I'm running POP3/SMTP with the outfit I'm going through now. I *THINK*
>> they offer IMAP, but haven't bothered to look past the (for me)
>> plenty-functional POP3/SMTP combination.
>>
>> While I've heard folks talking about IMAP for years, I haven't seen any
>> particular reason it's better/worth my effort to try to use it - Wanna
>> try to "sell me"? I know very little about it beyond its existence and
>> the fact that some people seem to think its the greatest thing since
>> sliced bread, while others think it sucks, and still others fall
>> somewhere between.
>
> The main advantage of adding support for IMAP Idle is you get new
> mail delivered immediately, without polling for it.

Which e-mail clients handle very well, automatically and at any period 
you like.  Personally I set POP to 30 minutes.  If it's important that I 
get it quick, they'll call or text and I'll pull it.

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#58999

FromDon Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
Date2014-04-28 18:32 -0700
Message-ID<ljmvf7$cdt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58997
In article <mLadndVNE_2dfsPOnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.04.28, 18:22 , billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> > Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:
> >
> >> I'm running POP3/SMTP with the outfit I'm going through now. I *THINK*
> >> they offer IMAP, but haven't bothered to look past the (for me)
> >> plenty-functional POP3/SMTP combination.
> >>
> >> While I've heard folks talking about IMAP for years, I haven't seen any
> >> particular reason it's better/worth my effort to try to use it - Wanna
> >> try to "sell me"? I know very little about it beyond its existence and
> >> the fact that some people seem to think its the greatest thing since
> >> sliced bread, while others think it sucks, and still others fall
> >> somewhere between.
> >
> > The main advantage of adding support for IMAP Idle is you get new
> > mail delivered immediately, without polling for it.
> 
> Which e-mail clients handle very well, automatically and at any period 
> you like.  Personally I set POP to 30 minutes.  If it's important that I 
> get it quick, they'll call or text and I'll pull it.

(One reply to all the responses)

Thus far, it sounds as thought the main "features" of IMAP over 
POP3/SMTP are "multiple device support" and "no need to poll", with a 
side of "Server keeps backups for you" (Which POP3 can do easily enough, 
though I've never liked working things that way - Logical or not, I've 
got this "thing" about leaving my mail laying where somebody else can 
get to it). 

I read mail on precisely one device - the one on which I'm typing 
currently. 

Anything so urgent as to need to be "pushed" at me, or polled for more 
often than my normal schedule can/will get to me via text message or 
phone call. 

Backups are taken care of routinely through other methods. 

Which, I guess, adds up to "I probably won't be bothering to switch to 
IMAP anytime soon - For me, POP3/SMTP ain't broke, so I'm not going to 
bother trying to fix it."

-- 
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#59053

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-04-30 16:38 -0400
Message-ID<ieudnX6DZunMwvzOnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#58999
On 2014.04.28, 21:32 , Don Bruder wrote:
> In article <mLadndVNE_2dfsPOnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.04.28, 18:22 , billy@MIX.COM wrote:
>>> Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> I'm running POP3/SMTP with the outfit I'm going through now. I *THINK*
>>>> they offer IMAP, but haven't bothered to look past the (for me)
>>>> plenty-functional POP3/SMTP combination.
>>>>
>>>> While I've heard folks talking about IMAP for years, I haven't seen any
>>>> particular reason it's better/worth my effort to try to use it - Wanna
>>>> try to "sell me"? I know very little about it beyond its existence and
>>>> the fact that some people seem to think its the greatest thing since
>>>> sliced bread, while others think it sucks, and still others fall
>>>> somewhere between.
>>>
>>> The main advantage of adding support for IMAP Idle is you get new
>>> mail delivered immediately, without polling for it.
>>
>> Which e-mail clients handle very well, automatically and at any period
>> you like.  Personally I set POP to 30 minutes.  If it's important thatI
>> get it quick, they'll call or text and I'll pull it.
>
> (One reply to all the responses)
>
> Thus far, it sounds as thought the main "features" of IMAP over
> POP3/SMTP are "multiple device support" and "no need to poll", with a
> side of "Server keeps backups for you" (Which POP3 can do easily enough,
> though I've never liked working things that way - Logical or not, I've
> got this "thing" about leaving my mail laying where somebody else can
> get to it).
>
> I read mail on precisely one device - the one on which I'm typing
> currently.
>
> Anything so urgent as to need to be "pushed" at me, or polled for more
> often than my normal schedule can/will get to me via text message or
> phone call.
>
> Backups are taken care of routinely through other methods.
>
> Which, I guess, adds up to "I probably won't be bothering to switch to
> IMAP anytime soon - For me, POP3/SMTP ain't broke, so I'm not going to
> bother trying to fix it."

We're in violent agreement.

Ever since my first ISP account I've taken care of all my mail on my 
home computer.  I POP it, it's mine and I back it up (or not), I archive 
it (or not) and that's it.  It stays on the ISP server for 1 day and 
then it's deleted on that end.

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#59002

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-04-29 03:00 +0000
Message-ID<slrnllu5f3.1rn9.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#58987
In message <ljm6qb$69k$1@dont-email.me> 
  Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article <ljm0ni$nv3$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote:

>> Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> writes:
>> 
>> > I recently started running Apple's 2.1.3 version of "Mail" after several 
>> > years of making due with web-based email. (This version ships with 10.4 
>> > - yes, I know, it's old. Unless you're volunteering to buy me a shiny 
>> > new Mac that can run the newer versions, don't talk to me about 
>> > upgrading to something newer)
>> 
>> Here's something you'll find useful, if you're using IMAP -
>> 
>> http://www.rothwell.us/imap-idle
>> 
>> Billy Y..

> I'm running POP3/SMTP with the outfit I'm going through now. I *THINK* 
> they offer IMAP, but haven't bothered to look past the (for me) 
> plenty-functional POP3/SMTP combination.

> While I've heard folks talking about IMAP for years, I haven't seen any 
> particular reason it's better/worth my effort to try to use it - Wanna 
> try to "sell me"? I know very little about it beyond its existence and 
> the fact that some people seem to think its the greatest thing since 
> sliced bread, while others think it sucks, and still others fall 
> somewhere between.

IMAP can do everything that POP3 can do, but can also do many more
things.

<https://www.google.com/search?q=why+imap>

-- 
You and me Sunday driving Not arriving

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#59004 — POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?)

Frombefr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich)
Date2014-04-29 08:36 +0200
SubjectPOP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?)
Message-ID<1lkuvlk.we7paplh2d4N%befr@eaglesoft.de>
In reply to#59002
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> IMAP can do everything that POP3 can do, but can also do many more
> things.

Which means, that there are many more potential pitfalls (different
default folder names, sync-problems, etc.)

POP3 is lean and easy, IMAP is big and (if you´re unlucky) troublesome.
Sure, it works, mostly, ... until it doesn´t.

Plus (for the paranoid amongst us): I don´t like to have all my mail
lying on a server where the snoops can get to it.
Yes, I know, if they really want it, they´ll get it, but at least the´ll
have to try harder.

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#59005 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?)

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-04-29 19:10 +1200
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP (Was: Re: Obnoxious noises in Apple Mail - how to silence?)
Message-ID<290420141910434919%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#59004
In article <1lkuvlk.we7paplh2d4N%befr@eaglesoft.de>, Bernd Fröhlich
<befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > 
> > IMAP can do everything that POP3 can do, but can also do many more
> > things.
> 
> Which means, that there are many more potential pitfalls (different
> default folder names, sync-problems, etc.)
> 
> POP3 is lean and easy, IMAP is big and (if you´re unlucky) troublesome.
> Sure, it works, mostly, ... until it doesn´t.
> 
> Plus (for the paranoid amongst us): I don´t like to have all my mail
> lying on a server where the snoops can get to it.
> Yes, I know, if they really want it, they´ll get it, but at least the´ll
> have to try harder.

Although they have been getting larger, email providers usually have a
limited mailbox storage space (and in some cases that limited space
also has to include your website data, cloud backup, etc.), whereas the
amount of space on your own computer is virtually unimited. A big email
or many emails left sitting on the server can cause new emails to be
bounced back with a "mailbox full" error.

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#59008 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

Frombefr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich)
Date2014-04-29 10:49 +0200
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<1lkv1yf.1pi9s3p19vmkuaN%befr@eaglesoft.de>
In reply to#59005
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Although they have been getting larger, email providers usually have a
> limited mailbox storage space (and in some cases that limited space also
> has to include your website data, cloud backup, etc.), whereas the
> amount of space on your own computer is virtually unimited. A big email
> or many emails left sitting on the server can cause new emails to be
> bounced back with a "mailbox full" error.

Good point.
My mail-archive dates back into the last century and has a size of about
100000 mails / 3GB.

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#59016 — Re: POP3 vs. IMAP

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2014-04-30 09:21 +1200
SubjectRe: POP3 vs. IMAP
Message-ID<300420140921364770%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#59008
In article <1lkv1yf.1pi9s3p19vmkuaN%befr@eaglesoft.de>, Bernd Fröhlich
<befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Although they have been getting larger, email providers usually have a
> > limited mailbox storage space (and in some cases that limited space also
> > has to include your website data, cloud backup, etc.), whereas the
> > amount of space on your own computer is virtually unimited. A big email
> > or many emails left sitting on the server can cause new emails to be
> > bounced back with a "mailbox full" error.
> 
> Good point.
> My mail-archive dates back into the last century and has a size of about
> 100000 mails / 3GB.

Personally I can't be bothered keeping emails, including work ones -
once I've dealt with them, they get deleted. I've never need to go back
to any old emails.

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