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  G4 boot failure David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2014-04-09 06:16 +0000
    Re: G4 boot failure J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-04-09 12:49 -0400
      Re: G4 boot failure J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-04-09 12:53 -0400
      Re: G4 boot failure David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2014-04-11 19:30 +0000
    Re: G4 boot failure J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-04-12 07:52 -0400
      Re: G4 boot failure David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2014-04-21 02:30 +0000

#58420 — G4 boot failure

My faithful G4 MDD PowerMac3,6 would not boot. The screen would
start out with a folder, then a happy Mac, then a Slashed
circle.

It did so with 3 bootable volumes in the system: A 10.4 SATA
RAID with PCI controller, a 10.4 PATA raid, and a bootable DVD.

The last thing I did was set the startup disk to the DVD drive.

I did find the PRAM battery dead. But replacing it made things
worse; the machine would not even try to boot. So I removed the
new battery.

It would start into Target mode.

I finally pulled the SATA controller; and low and behold, it
booted off the PATA drive.

After I reset the startup drive, I powered down, reinstalled
the SATA controller, booted again and reset the startup to
there. Then I put in the new battery.

One issue appears to be the Open Firmware was NOT recognizing
the various keyboard commands, i.e. C for CD boot, OPTION for
a choice, PR, OF, etc. But T was, usually. I've seen this before
with non-apple keyboards, and used to keep an original Bondi
Blue one around for this reason. Now I can't find same, Grrr.

But does anyone know why it would not seek out a bootable drive,
when it didn't like the DVD?





-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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#58425

On 4/9/14, 2:16 AM, David Lesher wrote:

> One issue appears to be the Open Firmware was NOT recognizing
> the various keyboard commands, i.e. C for CD boot, OPTION for
> a choice, PR, OF, etc. But T was, usually. I've seen this before
> with non-apple keyboards, and used to keep an original Bondi
> Blue one around for this reason. Now I can't find same, Grrr.
>
When I want to use a keyboard command on startup, if it's a Windows 
keyboard, I have to remember to press the second key from the space bar, 
not the adjacent key.

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#58426

On 4/9/14, 12:49 PM, J Burns wrote:
> On 4/9/14, 2:16 AM, David Lesher wrote:
>
>> One issue appears to be the Open Firmware was NOT recognizing
>> the various keyboard commands, i.e. C for CD boot, OPTION for
>> a choice, PR, OF, etc. But T was, usually. I've seen this before
>> with non-apple keyboards, and used to keep an original Bondi
>> Blue one around for this reason. Now I can't find same, Grrr.
>>
> When I want to use a keyboard command on startup, if it's a Windows
> keyboard, I have to remember to press the second key from the space bar,
> not the adjacent key.
>
Uh-oh, I see C doesn't require the command key, at least on my computer.

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#58484

J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> writes:

>On 4/9/14, 2:16 AM, David Lesher wrote:

>> One issue appears to be the Open Firmware was NOT recognizing
>> the various keyboard commands, i.e. C for CD boot, OPTION for
>> a choice, PR, OF, etc. But T was, usually. I've seen this before
>> with non-apple keyboards, and used to keep an original Bondi
>> Blue one around for this reason. Now I can't find same, Grrr.
>>
>When I want to use a keyboard command on startup, if it's a Windows 
>keyboard, I have to remember to press the second key from the space bar, 
>not the adjacent key.

Yep, but I take that into account; and several functions use
neither or both so it does not matter....
-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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#58491

On 4/9/14, 2:16 AM, David Lesher wrote:
> My faithful G4 MDD PowerMac3,6 would not boot. The screen would
> start out with a folder, then a happy Mac, then a Slashed
> circle.
>
> It did so with 3 bootable volumes in the system: A 10.4 SATA
> RAID with PCI controller, a 10.4 PATA raid, and a bootable DVD.
>
> The last thing I did was set the startup disk to the DVD drive.
>
> I did find the PRAM battery dead. But replacing it made things
> worse; the machine would not even try to boot. So I removed the
> new battery.
>
> It would start into Target mode.
>
> I finally pulled the SATA controller; and low and behold, it
> booted off the PATA drive.
>
> After I reset the startup drive, I powered down, reinstalled
> the SATA controller, booted again and reset the startup to
> there. Then I put in the new battery.
>
> One issue appears to be the Open Firmware was NOT recognizing
> the various keyboard commands, i.e. C for CD boot, OPTION for
> a choice, PR, OF, etc. But T was, usually. I've seen this before
> with non-apple keyboards, and used to keep an original Bondi
> Blue one around for this reason. Now I can't find same, Grrr.
>
> But does anyone know why it would not seek out a bootable drive,
> when it didn't like the DVD?
>
>
I think you'd get a flashing, broken folder if it couldn't find a 
bootable drive.  I think the slashed circle means trouble with boot.efi. 
  One thing boot.efi does is load drivers.  I wonder if it was on a wild 
goose chase for SATA software.

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#58741

J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> writes:

>> But does anyone know why it would not seek out a bootable drive,
>> when it didn't like the DVD?

>I think you'd get a flashing, broken folder if it couldn't find
>a bootable drive.  I think the slashed circle means trouble
>with boot.efi.  One thing boot.efi does is load drivers.  I
>wonder if it was on a wild goose chase for SATA software.

Could be. I also found the DVD drive was not reading my new 10.5
DVD.  {I made it from a dmg file I had on hand....} I used a FW
cable & a Mini in Target Mode.

I first installed it on one of the PATA RAID's, then went back &
installed it on the SATA pair.

I now have 10.5 running on my "old faithful..." MDD. With it,
the latest CrashPlan update installed itself...and I'm on the
way.

-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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