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| Started by | David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2014-01-15 11:30 -0800 |
| Last post | 2014-01-24 22:36 +0000 |
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Latest OS X David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 11:30 -0800
Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 14:36 -0500
Re: Latest OS X Tom Joad <no@spam.nl> - 2014-01-15 20:48 +0100
Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 14:51 -0500
Re: Latest OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-15 17:03 -0800
Re: Latest OS X Tom Joad <no@spam.nl> - 2014-01-16 20:12 +0100
Re: Latest OS X Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> - 2014-01-15 12:52 -0700
Re: Latest OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-16 08:57 +1300
Re: Latest OS X Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 14:12 -0600
Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 15:15 -0500
Re: Latest OS X Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-01-16 06:47 +0000
Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 15:14 -0500
Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-01-16 02:35 +0100
Re: Latest OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-24 21:51 +1000
Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-24 19:45 +0200
Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-24 14:53 -0400
Re: Latest OS X dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-04-25 12:20 +1200
Re: Latest OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-16 08:55 +1300
Re: Latest OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:05 +1000
Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-19 17:24 +0000
Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-19 20:17 +0200
Re: Latest OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-19 14:31 -0400
Re: Latest OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-19 20:54 +0000
Re: Latest OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 22:39 -0400
Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-20 13:49 +0200
Re: Latest OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-20 14:14 +0100
Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-20 16:21 +0200
Re: Latest OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-20 11:21 -0400
Re: Latest OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-04-20 17:37 +0200
Re: Latest OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-20 11:42 -0400
Re: Latest OS X billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-20 16:16 +0000
Re: Latest OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-20 12:50 -0400
Re: Latest OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-20 15:30 -0400
Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-20 22:26 +0200
Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-21 04:07 +0000
Re: Latest OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-20 22:18 +0100
Re: Latest OS X billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-21 02:16 +0000
Re: Latest OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-21 08:48 +0100
Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-21 04:09 +0000
Re: Latest OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-25 20:58 +1000
Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:43 +0000
Re: Latest OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 19:09 -0400
Re: Latest OS X dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-21 10:01 +1000
Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-21 03:15 +0200
Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-21 04:11 +0000
Re: Latest OS X dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-22 06:59 +1000
Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-21 23:35 +0200
Re: Latest OS X dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-22 11:21 +1000
Re: Latest OS X ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-04-22 03:40 +0200
Re: Latest OS X dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-22 13:08 +1000
Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-22 04:13 +0000
Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-21 04:00 +0000
Re: Latest OS X billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-21 17:29 +0000
Re: Latest OS X Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-04-20 20:15 -0700
Re: Latest OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-20 10:07 +1200
Re: Latest OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 18:09 -0400
Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-19 22:09 +0000
Re: Latest OS X billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-19 23:54 +0000
Re: Latest OS X David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 13:07 -0800
Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 16:30 -0500
Re: Latest OS X John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-01-15 20:16 -0500
Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-16 01:59 +0000
Re: Latest OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-15 19:12 -0700
Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 23:03 -0500
Re: Latest OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-16 18:17 +1300
Re: Latest OS X Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-15 17:09 -0500
Re: Latest OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:07 +1000
Re: Latest OS X David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 15:16 -0800
Re: Latest OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-15 18:27 -0500
Re: Latest OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-15 18:37 -0500
Re: Latest OS X dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-16 14:02 +1300
Re: Latest OS X Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 22:23 -0600
Re: Latest OS X Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> - 2014-01-16 12:43 +0000
Re: Latest OS X "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-16 15:14 +0000
Re: Latest OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-23 16:00 +1000
Re: Latest OS X dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-17 10:11 +1300
Re: Latest OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-16 02:00 +0000
Re: Latest OS X Earl Grey <earl@t.net> - 2014-01-15 18:30 -0500
Re: Latest OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:36 +0000
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| From | ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-04-19 20:17 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <liuekh$uk2$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #58666 |
Lewis wrote: > Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> wrote: >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>> David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Is snow Leopard the latest version of OS X? >>> >>> No, that's three versions old. Since then there has been Lion, Mountain >>> Lion, and Mavericks. >> >> Mavericks is free because its a downgrade. > > You are a troll and I claim my £5 Then please tell me how it can be that so many do downgrade again to 10.8.x? cheers, Erik Richard -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-04-19 14:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Y9ydnYDyNoaKXM_OnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #58672 |
On 2014.04.19, 14:17 , ErikRS wrote:
>
> Lewis wrote:
>> Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>> David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Is snow Leopard the latest version of OS X?
>>>>
>>>> No, that's three versions old. Since then there has been Lion, Mountain
>>>> Lion, and Mavericks.
>>>
>>> Mavericks is free because its a downgrade.
>>
>> You are a troll and I claim my £5
>
> Then please tell me how it can be that so many do downgrade again to
> 10.8.x?
There may be good reason to do so - Mavericks is borderline "too much"
for my SO's MBA (2 GB - some of which is shared with the graphics) so I
may soon push her back to 10.8.
But 10.9 is fine on my iMac and my son's MBP which have more memory.
The troll's assertion that it's free because it's bad is just plain
wrong - but that doesn't prevent trolling - nothing does.
It's free because Apple have decided that OS updates for the hardware it
sells should be included in the price people pay for Macs (and iPhones
and iPads ...) as well as some s/w such as Pages, Numbers and Keynote.
--
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
-Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-04-19 20:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <190420142054002525%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #58673 |
In article <Y9ydnYDyNoaKXM_OnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2014.04.19, 14:17 , ErikRS wrote: > > > > Lewis wrote: > >> Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> wrote: > >>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >>>> David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Is snow Leopard the latest version of OS X? > >>>> > >>>> No, that's three versions old. Since then there has been Lion, Mountain > >>>> Lion, and Mavericks. > >>> > >>> Mavericks is free because its a downgrade. > >> > >> You are a troll and I claim my £5 > > > > Then please tell me how it can be that so many do downgrade again to > > 10.8.x? > > There may be good reason to do so - Mavericks is borderline "too much" > for my SO's MBA (2 GB - some of which is shared with the graphics) so I > may soon push her back to 10.8. Are there any other reasons to go back? I could wish that the Dock was not translucent, but that's about all. OTOH it gave me more recent versions of PHP and SQLite, which I view as a plus. -- "Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2014-04-19 22:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190420142239189299%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #58672 |
ErikRS: > Then please tell me how it can be that so many do downgrade again to 10.8.x? Because they have a streak of Luddite in them and a fear of new things? -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-04-20 13:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lj0c8t$oi0$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #58697 |
Davoud wrote: > ErikRS: >> Then please tell me how it can be that so many do downgrade again to 10.8.x? > > Because they have a streak of Luddite in them and a fear of new things? I don't think so... Many of them are professionals with newest or nearly newest hardware - iMacs, MBPs, MBs and MacPros... Either they simply made a total re-installation with ML, or they shrinked the Mavericks partiotion to a minimum and then install ML on the new partition... One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends people to do the above. Last time we talked about it he said that downgrading to ML reduced his stress level when he's out on work.:-) Cheers, Erik Richard -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-04-20 14:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <200420141414225126%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #58715 |
In article <lj0c8t$oi0$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote: > One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so > tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends > people to do the above. What problems are we talking about? -- "If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid tripping your hair-trigger insecurities." - D M Procida, UCSM
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| From | ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-04-20 16:21 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lj0l4c$ocf$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #58719 |
Tim Streater wrote: > ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote: >> One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so >> tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends >> people to do the above. > > What problems are we talking about? General unstability, very long startup time or hangs in startup, some apps - like Safari and iTunes hang or quit unexpectedly. Very slow MSO 2011. Very slow Photoshop CS4/5/6. Slow Illustrator. Loss of wifi connectivity to a.m.o Airport and NetGear wifi routers. Very slow wake-up from sleep. Problems with synching from some iPhone models etc.etc.. - But it isn't all problems at the same time on the same machine - they occour randomly. Some problems look to me much similar to the problems that were with the very old System 7.5.0, OS 8.0 and later on also 10.3.3 and 10.3.5 Server... Cheers, Erik Richard -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-04-20 11:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <C_qdnfV5t_t4eM7OnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #58725 |
On 2014.04.20, 10:21 , ErikRS wrote:
>
> Tim Streater wrote:
>> ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
>>> One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so
>>> tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends
>>> people to do the above.
>>
>> What problems are we talking about?
>
> General unstability, very long startup time or hangs in startup, some
> apps - like Safari and iTunes hang or quit unexpectedly. Very slow MSO
> 2011. Very slow Photoshop CS4/5/6. Slow Illustrator. Loss of wifi
- very stable here on 3 machines.
- no issues with startup. I did have one restart that seemed to take
long to shut down, but otherwise no issues.
- no issues wish Safari or iTunes
- MSO is fine - that is to say it is the same clunky crap it's always
been (2008 v. here).
- Bridge + PS (CS5) seem fine to me. I did a batch conversion of about
500 raws the other day to proof JPG's for distribution. Nice and quick
- used the cores richly.
-no issues with WiFi (3 Macs)
> connectivity to a.m.o Airport and NetGear wifi routers. Very slow
> wake-up from sleep. Problems with synching from some iPhone models
- Wake up from sleep is near instant (on 3 Macs)
- No issues syncing iPhone 4 or 4S.
> etc.etc.. - But it isn't all problems at the same time on the same
> machine - they occour randomly.
- not at all here.
Mavericks is a little too much for my SO's MBA and I will probably move
it back to 10.8 in the by and by.
If your friend is listing individual issues from many machines and
aggregating them into the complaint you posted then he is doing many
people a disservice. Each of those machines needs its particular issues
fixed - not a broadbrush against Mavericks.
--
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
-Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07
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| From | android <here@there.was> |
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| Date | 2014-04-20 17:37 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <bri7svFhhvvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #58726 |
In article <C_qdnfV5t_t4eM7OnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > Mavericks is a little too much for my SO's MBA and I will probably move > it back to 10.8 in the by and by. You didn't clone it before the upgrade? Sloppy... ;-P -- teleportation kills http://tinyurl.com/androidphotography
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-04-20 11:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jridnceA6PhWd87OnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #58728 |
On 2014.04.20, 11:37 , android wrote:
> In article <C_qdnfV5t_t4eM7OnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Mavericks is a little too much for my SO's MBA and I will probably move
>> it back to 10.8 in the by and by.
>
> You didn't clone it before the upgrade? Sloppy... ;-P
Her "footprint" on that system is quite tiny, so just installing the OS
will be sufficient. Though I may have to remove some apps such as
Pages/Numbers/Keynote that were post Mavericks. TBD.
--
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
-Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-04-20 16:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lj0rs9$gfl$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #58725 |
ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> writes about OS 10.9:
> General unstability, very long startup time or hangs in startup
I've had it hang coming up once. Cold boots do take quite a while,
but I can see things getting done (I use the verbose boot mode).
Rendering icons is painfully slow. It's hard to believe Apple
released it - they must have noticed it.
Other than that, it's been ok. Wifi is pretty good, wakeup from
sleep is very fast. I'm not using any Adobe or MS stuff, but I'm
not suprised to hear they run slowly.
> Some problems look to me much similar to the problems that were with the
> very old System 7.5.0, OS 8.0 and later on also 10.3.3 and 10.3.5 Server...
I'm still a very happy user of 10.3.9. I just can't run newer
programs on it.
Billy Y..
--
sub #'9+1 ,r0 ; convert ascii byte
add #9.+1 ,r0 ; to an integer
bcc 20$ ; not a number
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-04-20 12:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Iu2dnVX7jrt-Z87OnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #58730 |
On 2014.04.20, 12:16 , billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> Other than that, it's been ok. Wifi is pretty good, wakeup from
> sleep is very fast. I'm not using any Adobe or MS stuff, but I'm
> not suprised to hear they run slowly.
They run fine.
--
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
-Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2014-04-20 15:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <200420141530242974%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #58725 |
ErikRS: > >> One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so > >> tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends > >> people to do the above. Tim Streater: > > What problems are we talking about? ErikRS: > General unstability, very long startup time or hangs in startup, some > apps - like Safari and iTunes hang or quit unexpectedly. Very slow MSO > 2011. Very slow Photoshop CS4/5/6. Slow Illustrator... Wow, that was quite a list. My wife and I are professionals, too, with MS Office, Adobe CC, Final Cut ProX, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, research-grade astronomy software, etc., and we like the stability of Mavericks, the speed, and the general feel. That's on three MacBook Pro's and two 27-in. iMacs. Maybe it's something in the air where you live. Everybody we know who runs Mavericks, pros and web surfers alike, loves it. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-04-20 22:26 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lj1ai4$6ft$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #58732 |
Davoud wrote: > ErikRS: >>>> One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so >>>> tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends >>>> people to do the above. > > Tim Streater: >>> What problems are we talking about? > > ErikRS: >> General unstability, very long startup time or hangs in startup, some >> apps - like Safari and iTunes hang or quit unexpectedly. Very slow MSO >> 2011. Very slow Photoshop CS4/5/6. Slow Illustrator... > > Wow, that was quite a list. My wife and I are professionals, too, with > MS Office, Adobe CC, Final Cut ProX, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, > research-grade astronomy software, etc., and we like the stability of > Mavericks, the speed, and the general feel. That's on three MacBook > Pro's and two 27-in. iMacs. Maybe it's something in the air where you > live. Everybody we know who runs Mavericks, pros and web surfers alike, > loves it. Well, - I can only tell what he tells me. - His working area all all over Denmark except the insel Bornholm in the Baltic Sea.:-) - And the wifi problems could be because of poor coverage in some places in Denmark - especially here in Jutland... On his own MBP he has both 10.6.x, 10.7.x, 10.8.x and 10.9.x - bootable in 10.7.x only and the three others virtually so he can switch between them very fast... Sometimes he calls me for sparring to hear my opinion, and my first question is always "How much memory does the machine have?" - and he always replies that this is also his first question to the customer... Many of the times it turns out that the machine has as little as 2gb or 3gb. And I always advice him to advice his customers to upgrade to 4gb as the absolute minimum - best to 8gb if possible - else to 4gb or 6gb on MBs/MBPs and 8gb or more on iMacs and MacPros. This has always increased both performance and stability - but not always on speed of the applications... I've run MSOffice 2011 myself on my MacPro 4x2,66ghz, 16gb RAM, and MSO is as slow as an overfatted snail.:-( - So I downgraded to MSO2008 again which is much faster than 2011... Cheers, Erik Richard -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-04-21 04:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnll96bu.1k5e.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #58735 |
In message <lj1ai4$6ft$1@solani.org> ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote: > Many of the times it turns out that the machine has as little as 2gb or > 3gb. And I always advice him to advice his customers to upgrade to 4gb > as the absolute minimum - best to 8gb if possible - else to 4gb or 6gb > on MBs/MBPs and 8gb or more on iMacs and MacPros. This has always > increased both performance and stability - but not always on speed of > the applications... I would agree that 2GB is too little to run Mavericks well. 4GB seems fine, but of course more RAM is *always* better. On any laptop my rule is "First thing, maximize the RAM." > I've run MSOffice 2011 myself on my MacPro 4x2,66ghz, 16gb RAM, and MSO > is as slow as an overfatted snail.:-( - So I downgraded to MSO2008 again > which is much faster than 2011... The option to run 2008 disappeared for my wife earlier this year. She has to have 2011 to deal with the files she gets from admin. Every time there is a new OS X version I hear lots of complaints, and even more so for 10.6, 10.7, 10.8, and 10.9. I am always confused since I think that, overall, OS X has been on a very steady trend upwards since the public beta. I think 10.7 was maybe a slght step down from 10.6, and there's (to my mind) absolutely no reason to run 10.8, but other than that... When I use the 10.6.8 machine I am astounded anew at how clunky it is compared to my 10.9 machines. -- If you [Carrot] were dice, you'd always roll sixes. And the dice don't roll themselves. If it wasn't against everything he wanted to be true about the world, Vimes might just then have believed in destiny controlling people. And gods help the other people who were around when a big destiny was alive in the world, bending every poor bugger around itself...
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-04-20 22:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <200420142218297957%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #58732 |
In article <200420141530242974%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > ErikRS: > > >> One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so > > >> tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends > > >> people to do the above. > > Tim Streater: > > > What problems are we talking about? > > ErikRS: > > General unstability, very long startup time or hangs in startup, some > > apps - like Safari and iTunes hang or quit unexpectedly. Very slow MSO > > 2011. Very slow Photoshop CS4/5/6. Slow Illustrator... > > Wow, that was quite a list. My wife and I are professionals, too, with > MS Office, Adobe CC, Final Cut ProX, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, > research-grade astronomy software, etc., and we like the stability of > Mavericks, the speed, and the general feel. That's on three MacBook > Pro's and two 27-in. iMacs. Maybe it's something in the air where you > live. Everybody we know who runs Mavericks, pros and web surfers alike, > loves it. Well, the only odd thing happening with Mavericks is where, with some sites, Safari doesn't succeed in completing the loading of a webpage. Some css and image files just don't arrive. Symptoms talk of timeouts. The BBC News site is a case in point. But I can click a link within the BBC News home page that takes me to another BBC page, and then one there to take me back to the BBC News page, no problems at all. I can't tell if that's Mavericks, Safari, my SSD, or the unusual way I'm using Safari (see http://www.iLetter.org.uk). -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-04-21 02:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lj1v13$ks6$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #58737 |
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> writes:
> Well, the only odd thing happening with Mavericks is where, with some
> sites, Safari doesn't succeed in completing the loading of a webpage.
> Some css and image files just don't arrive. Symptoms talk of timeouts.
> The BBC News site is a case in point. But I can click a link within the
> BBC News home page that takes me to another BBC page, and then one
> there to take me back to the BBC News page, no problems at all.
>
> I can't tell if that's Mavericks, Safari, my SSD, or the unusual way
> I'm using Safari (see http://www.iLetter.org.uk).
What happens if your email user agent isn't loaded?
Billy Y..
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-04-21 08:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <210420140848185329%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #58740 |
In article <lj1v13$ks6$1@reader2.panix.com>, <billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> writes: > > > Well, the only odd thing happening with Mavericks is where, with some > > sites, Safari doesn't succeed in completing the loading of a webpage. > > Some css and image files just don't arrive. Symptoms talk of timeouts. > > The BBC News site is a case in point. But I can click a link within the > > BBC News home page that takes me to another BBC page, and then one > > there to take me back to the BBC News page, no problems at all. > > > > I can't tell if that's Mavericks, Safari, my SSD, or the unusual way > > I'm using Safari (see http://www.iLetter.org.uk). > > What happens if your email user agent isn't loaded? Dunno. I have it on permanently. -- "Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-04-21 04:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnll96f5.1k5e.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #58737 |
In message <200420142218297957%timstreater@greenbee.net> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > In article <200420141530242974%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> > wrote: >> ErikRS: >> > >> One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so >> > >> tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends >> > >> people to do the above. >> >> Tim Streater: >> > > What problems are we talking about? >> >> ErikRS: >> > General unstability, very long startup time or hangs in startup, some >> > apps - like Safari and iTunes hang or quit unexpectedly. Very slow MSO >> > 2011. Very slow Photoshop CS4/5/6. Slow Illustrator... >> >> Wow, that was quite a list. My wife and I are professionals, too, with >> MS Office, Adobe CC, Final Cut ProX, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, >> research-grade astronomy software, etc., and we like the stability of >> Mavericks, the speed, and the general feel. That's on three MacBook >> Pro's and two 27-in. iMacs. Maybe it's something in the air where you >> live. Everybody we know who runs Mavericks, pros and web surfers alike, >> loves it. > Well, the only odd thing happening with Mavericks is where, with some > sites, Safari doesn't succeed in completing the loading of a webpage. > Some css and image files just don't arrive. Symptoms talk of timeouts. > The BBC News site is a case in point. But I can click a link within the > BBC News home page that takes me to another BBC page, and then one > there to take me back to the BBC News page, no problems at all. I have that happen at times as well, but it is not isolated to 10.9. It happens more in Safari, but I've seen the same behavior with Chrome and on Windows machines with IE10. I think it is a function of the Web 2.broken world we live in. -- IT WOULD BE A MILLION TO ONE CHANCE, said Death. EXACTLY A MILLION TO ONE CHANCE. 'Oh,' said the Bursar, intensely relieved. 'Oh dear. What a shame.' --Eric
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| From | Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> |
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| Date | 2014-04-25 20:58 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <4sfkl9pj1nlijfvjhbgt5isq8jum1jiqtu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #58749 |
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:09:09 +0000 (UTC), Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >In message <200420142218297957%timstreater@greenbee.net> > Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >> In article <200420141530242974%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> >> wrote: > >>> ErikRS: >>> > >> One of my friends - a system supporter with his own business - is so >>> > >> tired of Mavericks and all it's problems that he simply recommends >>> > >> people to do the above. >>> >>> Tim Streater: >>> > > What problems are we talking about? >>> >>> ErikRS: >>> > General unstability, very long startup time or hangs in startup, some >>> > apps - like Safari and iTunes hang or quit unexpectedly. Very slow MSO >>> > 2011. Very slow Photoshop CS4/5/6. Slow Illustrator... >>> >>> Wow, that was quite a list. My wife and I are professionals, too, with >>> MS Office, Adobe CC, Final Cut ProX, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, >>> research-grade astronomy software, etc., and we like the stability of >>> Mavericks, the speed, and the general feel. That's on three MacBook >>> Pro's and two 27-in. iMacs. Maybe it's something in the air where you >>> live. Everybody we know who runs Mavericks, pros and web surfers alike, >>> loves it. > >> Well, the only odd thing happening with Mavericks is where, with some >> sites, Safari doesn't succeed in completing the loading of a webpage. >> Some css and image files just don't arrive. Symptoms talk of timeouts. >> The BBC News site is a case in point. But I can click a link within the >> BBC News home page that takes me to another BBC page, and then one >> there to take me back to the BBC News page, no problems at all. > >I have that happen at times as well, but it is not isolated to 10.9. It >happens more in Safari, but I've seen the same behavior with Chrome and >on Windows machines with IE10. > >I think it is a function of the Web 2.broken world we live in. Mavericks is free because its a downgrade. -- Creationists - get educated before you argue, And when you're corrected, try to learn something. Creationists only need know that Evolution is important proven science and creation is made up nonsense
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