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10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto?

Started byAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
First post2014-02-26 15:12 -0500
Last post2014-02-26 20:36 +0000
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  10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-26 15:12 -0500
    Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-27 10:12 +1300
      Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-26 22:18 +0000
        Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-26 17:48 -0500
          Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-26 22:53 +0000
            Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-26 17:57 -0500
      Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-27 17:56 +1300
        Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-27 12:52 -0500
          Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-28 12:04 +1300
        Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:07 -0500
          Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-28 12:20 +1300
          Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-28 00:46 +0000
    Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-26 23:33 +0000
      Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-27 10:10 -0800
    Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2014-02-26 21:04 -0500
    Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Sandy Foster <sw.foster1@gmail.com> - 2014-02-26 18:27 -0800
      Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:04 -0500
        Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-28 00:40 +0000
          Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 19:52 -0500
            Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-28 10:42 +0000
              Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-28 16:35 -0500
                Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-28 23:21 +0000
                  Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-28 21:15 -0500
    Re: 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-26 20:36 +0000

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#57254

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-28 16:35 -0500
Message-ID<9rudnWIFyvSCnIzOnZ2dnUVZ_ugAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#57232
On 2014.02.28, 05:42 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <7fudnfRPT-1BQJLOnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com>
>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.02.27, 19:40 , Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <t6mdnQQS_oLLK5LOnZ2dnUVZ_ggAAAAA@giganews.com>
>>>     Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2014.02.26, 21:27 , Sandy Foster wrote:
>>>>> 1. My Safari bookmarks were just as before — no problem there.
>>>>> 2. I also had to sign in for iCloud again on one machine, but second
>>>>> machine didn't.
>>>>> 3. iCloud had the same selections as before and the same items not
>>>>> selected.
>>>>> 4. No dock icon problems
>>>>>
>>>>> Another plus for me is that my Mail.app dock icon now has the correct
>>>>> number of unread messages showing; the incorrect, "frozen" number had
>>>>> been a minor annoyance before.
>>>
>>>> Next time that occurs (I haven't seen it in a few years, actually, tuck
>>>> this away to run in terminal (quit Mail first)):
>>>
>>>> sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/Envelope\ Index vacuum
>>>
>>> That hasn't been useful since 10.5
>
>> Really?  Any references to that?
>
> Simple enough, try it (with the right path which is now
> ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope Index

So you're saying the path changed, but not the use of sqlite3 ?

I never noticed the change in path.  And since using the prior command 
never generated an error message I assumed all was well...

-- 
   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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#57261

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-02-28 23:21 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlh26fi.hcn.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#57254
In message <9rudnWIFyvSCnIzOnZ2dnUVZ_ugAAAAA@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.02.28, 05:42 , Lewis wrote:
>> In message <7fudnfRPT-1BQJLOnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2014.02.27, 19:40 , Lewis wrote:
>>>> In message <t6mdnQQS_oLLK5LOnZ2dnUVZ_ggAAAAA@giganews.com>
>>>>     Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On 2014.02.26, 21:27 , Sandy Foster wrote:
>>>>>> 1. My Safari bookmarks were just as before — no problem there.
>>>>>> 2. I also had to sign in for iCloud again on one machine, but second
>>>>>> machine didn't.
>>>>>> 3. iCloud had the same selections as before and the same items not
>>>>>> selected.
>>>>>> 4. No dock icon problems
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another plus for me is that my Mail.app dock icon now has the correct
>>>>>> number of unread messages showing; the incorrect, "frozen" number had
>>>>>> been a minor annoyance before.
>>>>
>>>>> Next time that occurs (I haven't seen it in a few years, actually, tuck
>>>>> this away to run in terminal (quit Mail first)):
>>>>
>>>>> sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/Envelope\ Index vacuum
>>>>
>>>> That hasn't been useful since 10.5
>>
>>> Really?  Any references to that?
>>
>> Simple enough, try it (with the right path which is now
>> ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope Index

> So you're saying the path changed, but not the use of sqlite3 ?

No, I'm saying your information is woefully out of date. the sqlite3
vacuum comamnd is not needed and hasn't been for a long time.

As evidence of how out of date your info is, the path to the files has
changed, but not the path in the 'tip'.

> I never noticed the change in path.  And since using the prior command 
> never generated an error message I assumed all was well...

It never generated an error message because you were doing absolutely
nothing by issuing a command against a file that did not exist. This
would also explain why the command was so fast for you. Instantaneous,
even.

Running vacuum against the actual index will take time.

$ ls -lsn ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index && \
  time sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum && \
  ls -lsn ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index
221848 -rw-r--r--@ 1 1002  staff  113586176 Feb 27 17:44 /Users/kreme/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope Index

real    0m11.535s
user    0m8.645s
sys 0m1.426s
221848 -rw-r--r--@ 1 1002  staff  113586176 Feb 28 16:18 /Users/kreme/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope Index

11 seconds real time, identical file size.

-- 
I thank my lucky stars I'm not superstitious.

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#57273

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-28 21:15 -0500
Message-ID<dNqdnWLR2_RI34zOnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#57261
On 2014.02.28, 18:21 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <9rudnWIFyvSCnIzOnZ2dnUVZ_ugAAAAA@giganews.com>
>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.02.28, 05:42 , Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <7fudnfRPT-1BQJLOnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>>     Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2014.02.27, 19:40 , Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message <t6mdnQQS_oLLK5LOnZ2dnUVZ_ggAAAAA@giganews.com>
>>>>>      Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2014.02.26, 21:27 , Sandy Foster wrote:
>>>>>>> 1. My Safari bookmarks were just as before — no problem there.
>>>>>>> 2. I also had to sign in for iCloud again on one machine, but second
>>>>>>> machine didn't.
>>>>>>> 3. iCloud had the same selections as before and the same items not
>>>>>>> selected.
>>>>>>> 4. No dock icon problems
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another plus for me is that my Mail.app dock icon now has the correct
>>>>>>> number of unread messages showing; the incorrect, "frozen" number had
>>>>>>> been a minor annoyance before.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Next time that occurs (I haven't seen it in a few years, actually, tuck
>>>>>> this away to run in terminal (quit Mail first)):
>>>>>
>>>>>> sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/Envelope\ Index vacuum
>>>>>
>>>>> That hasn't been useful since 10.5
>>>
>>>> Really?  Any references to that?
>>>
>>> Simple enough, try it (with the right path which is now
>>> ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope Index
>
>> So you're saying the path changed, but not the use of sqlite3 ?
>
> No, I'm saying your information is woefully out of date. the sqlite3
> vacuum comamnd is not needed and hasn't been for a long time.
>
> As evidence of how out of date your info is, the path to the files has
> changed, but not the path in the 'tip'.
>
>> I never noticed the change in path.  And since using the prior command
>> never generated an error message I assumed all was well...
>
> It never generated an error message because you were doing absolutely
> nothing by issuing a command against a file that did not exist. This
> would also explain why the command was so fast for you. Instantaneous,
> even.
>
> Running vacuum against the actual index will take time.
>
> $ ls -lsn ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index && \
>    time sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum && \
>    ls -lsn ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index
> 221848 -rw-r--r--@ 1 1002  staff  113586176 Feb 27 17:44 /Users/kreme/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope Index
>
> real    0m11.535s
> user    0m8.645s
> sys 0m1.426s
> 221848 -rw-r--r--@ 1 1002  staff  113586176 Feb 28 16:18 /Users/kreme/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope Index
>
> 11 seconds real time, identical file size.


Thanks for that.


-- 
   Those who have reduced our privacy, whether they are state
   or commercial actors, prefer that we do not reduce theirs.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

    ... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term
    for the services these companies offer.  What they really
    want is to have us "on the leash."
                   -David Pogue, Scientific American, 2014.02

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#57315

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2014-02-26 20:36 +0000
Message-ID<lelj7u$ano$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#57143
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> asks:

> 10.9.2 rushed over goto/goto?

I don't see why it would be, as a simple, small security
patch (update) would have sufficed.  But, since it's Apple,
one never knows.

For once in my life random chance operated in my favor, and
I had no problems at all after installing 10.9.2.

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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