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Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw

Started by	Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com>
First post	2014-02-22 12:56 -0600
Last post	2014-03-01 21:53 +0000
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  Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-22 12:56 -0600
    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 14:15 -0500
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 14:47 -0500
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 21:30 +0000
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 19:04 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 00:36 +0000
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 09:48 -0500
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 16:41 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 12:05 -0500
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 17:22 +0000
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-24 02:15 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 03:57 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 18:25 -0500
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-25 08:16 +0000
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:50 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-23 07:51 -0800
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 11:23 -0500
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-23 15:05 -0800
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 20:01 -0500
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 04:21 +0000
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-24 04:35 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 06:00 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-24 16:52 -0500
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-24 21:54 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:44 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:19 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 19:26 -0500
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:40 +0000
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 19:46 -0500
                                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:57 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:43 -0500
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:19 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 19:29 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:40 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 19:45 -0500
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-25 00:57 +0000
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 05:04 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 06:00 +0000
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 16:10 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-24 12:15 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 22:33 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:47 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-25 13:41 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-25 09:06 -0500
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-25 17:34 +0000
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-25 19:14 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-25 20:42 +0100
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-25 21:32 +0000
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-25 17:12 -0600
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-25 17:24 -0600
                                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 02:38 +0000
                                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-25 21:03 -0600
                                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 04:19 +0000
                                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-02-28 11:29 -0500
                                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-28 12:48 -0600
                                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-26 01:44 +0000
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-25 21:59 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 22:33 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 23:13 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:45 -0500
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 23:17 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 18:28 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-24 23:16 -0500
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-24 21:17 -0800
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-25 21:03 +0100
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-25 21:00 +0100
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-25 22:02 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-25 08:11 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-25 16:47 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-25 17:03 -0500
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:45 -0500
                                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-26 00:05 -0500
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-25 20:57 +0100
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-02-26 09:52 -0500
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-06 02:36 +0200
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-24 21:24 +0100
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 20:43 +0000
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:40 -0500
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 16:47 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-23 15:37 -0800
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 20:08 -0500
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 01:15 +0000
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-23 18:45 -0800
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 02:52 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-23 19:01 -0800
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 04:23 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-24 22:10 +0100
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 22:21 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:27 -0500
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:27 -0500
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-24 21:05 -0800
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:34 -0500
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-24 21:58 +0100
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 18:04 -0500
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-25 02:44 +0000
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 01:14 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-24 04:11 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 18:36 -0500
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-25 08:20 +0000
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-25 17:00 +0000
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-25 20:05 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-25 21:31 +0000
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-02-25 19:13 -0800
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 04:35 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-26 06:42 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-01 21:57 +0000
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-26 23:29 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-04-13 15:06 -0400
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-04-13 21:11 +0000
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-04-15 17:03 -0400
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-16 09:29 +1200
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:29 -0500
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-26 00:49 +0000
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:59 -0500
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-26 02:03 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 22:13 -0500
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-26 14:03 +0000
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-26 23:42 +0000
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:03 -0500
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 02:47 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-26 00:10 -0500
                                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-04-13 15:11 -0400
                                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-13 15:43 -0400
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-26 02:42 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-04-13 15:08 -0400
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-13 15:41 -0400
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-25 19:18 -0500
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-26 23:39 +0000
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-27 17:09 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 13:03 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-02-23 01:32 +0000
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 10:07 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-06 02:44 +0200
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-22 17:49 -0500
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 19:07 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-22 22:23 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 03:49 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 10:12 -0500
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 16:42 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 14:38 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 10:11 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 14:38 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-24 10:42 -0800
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-24 17:07 -0500
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-02-22 23:01 -0800
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 14:38 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-24 01:46 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-01 21:52 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-02 00:05 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-24 22:24 +0100
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw mcarels@xs4all.nl (Maarten Carels) - 2014-02-24 10:43 +0100
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 18:39 -0500
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-24 19:16 -0500
    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 14:18 -0500
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-22 13:43 -0600
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 14:52 -0500
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-22 20:05 +0000
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 15:16 -0500
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-22 21:10 +0000
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 16:25 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-22 22:13 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 22:19 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 18:55 -0500
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 09:38 +0000
                    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 10:17 -0500
                      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 15:42 +0000
                        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 10:45 -0500
                          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 17:09 +0000
                            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 13:51 -0500
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 20:07 +0000
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 15:14 -0500
                                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 15:20 -0500
                              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-24 02:18 +0000
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-22 17:51 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 17:55 -0500
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 21:50 +0000
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-22 19:09 -0500
    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-02-22 12:35 -0800
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 16:59 -0500
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 22:14 +0000
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 17:53 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-22 18:01 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 18:22 -0500
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-22 18:29 -0500
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-22 23:33 +0000
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 18:23 -0500
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 01:08 +0000
    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 21:49 +0000
    Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-02-22 22:57 -0800
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 16:36 +0000
      Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-23 11:58 -0500
        Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 14:35 -0500
          Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-23 21:03 +0000
            Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-23 18:23 -0500
              Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-24 01:07 +0000
                Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-24 01:53 +0000
                  Re: Latest IOS/OS X SSL security flaw Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-01 21:53 +0000

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#57008

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2014-02-24 22:33 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnlgni6a.1gv5.g.kreme@oswin.local>
In reply to	#56974

In message <_dadnQGhF7aH45bOnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> 
  Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>       While I have to admit to be fascinated by this, I have but one 
> question. Please explain to a person whose only exposure to programming 
> was a single FORTRAN class in the mid-70s, is this something I should be 
> concerned about and, if so, WHEN should I be concerned about it?

Only if you are suddenly going to start writing code.

-- 
Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards for they are subtle and quick to
anger.

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#57014

From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date	2014-02-24 17:47 -0500
Message-ID	<Ls-dnW81lJOZUZbOnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#56974

On 2014.02.24, 12:15 , Kurt Ullman wrote:
>
>        While I have to admit to be fascinated by this, I have but one
> question. Please explain to a person whose only exposure to programming
> was a single FORTRAN class in the mid-70s, [1] is this something I should be
> concerned about and, if so, [2] WHEN should I be concerned about it?

Answer 1:  No.

Answer 2:  N/A




-- 
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   people are not trained to perform.
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#57064

From	Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk>
Date	2014-02-25 13:41 +0000
Message-ID	<wwvy50znwbn.fsf@l1AntVDjLrnP7Td3DQJ8ynzIq3lJMueXf87AxnpFoA.invalid>
In reply to	#56974

Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> writes:
> While I have to admit to be fascinated by this, I have but one
> question. Please explain to a person whose only exposure to
> programming was a single FORTRAN class in the mid-70s, is this
> something I should be concerned about

Yes.

> and, if so, WHEN should I be concerned about it?

Whenever you make any https (or other SSL/TLS-protected) connection to a
website, mail server, etc, using Apple software (Safari etc) under OSX
10.9.

-- 
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#57066

From	Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
Date	2014-02-25 09:06 -0500
Message-ID	<eaSdnTY9ZZ3BPpHOnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#57064

In article 
<wwvy50znwbn.fsf@l1AntVDjLrnP7Td3DQJ8ynzIq3lJMueXf87AxnpFoA.invalid>,
 Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> writes:
> > While I have to admit to be fascinated by this, I have but one
> > question. Please explain to a person whose only exposure to
> > programming was a single FORTRAN class in the mid-70s, is this
> > something I should be concerned about
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > and, if so, WHEN should I be concerned about it?
> 
> Whenever you make any https (or other SSL/TLS-protected) connection to a
> website, mail server, etc, using Apple software (Safari etc) under OSX
> 10.9.

ALL or just public? Am I okay on my own WiFi? Is the same concern there 
if I am using the cell phone data line?
-- 
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
     but what they conceal is vital."
                       -- Aaron Levenstein

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#57308

From	billy@MIX.COM
Date	2014-02-25 17:34 +0000
Message-ID	<leik6i$1jh$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to	#57066

Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> writes, quotiing
Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk>:

> > Whenever you make any https (or other SSL/TLS-protected) connection to a
> > website, mail server, etc, using Apple software (Safari etc) under OSX
> > 10.9.
> 
> ALL or just public? Am I okay on my own WiFi? Is the same concern there 
> if I am using the cell phone data line?

See above.  The problem is in verifying signatures, not in the path you
use to reach a particular site.

I'm surprised (well, not really) Apple has yet to cough up a patch for
OS 10.9/10.9.1.  By the way.

Billy Y..
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#57309

From	billy@MIX.COM
Date	2014-02-25 19:14 +0000
Message-ID	<leiq2p$4g6$3@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to	#57308

> I'm surprised (well, not really) Apple has yet to cough up a patch for
> OS 10.9/10.9.1.  By the way.

OK, I must retract this, as they just did.

http://support.apple.com/downloads/

Billy Y..
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#57080

From	Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date	2014-02-25 20:42 +0100
Message-ID	<p98vta-au71.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to	#57064

On 2014-02-25, Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> writes:
>> While I have to admit to be fascinated by this, I have but one
>> question. Please explain to a person whose only exposure to
>> programming was a single FORTRAN class in the mid-70s, is this
>> something I should be concerned about
>
> Yes.
>
>> and, if so, WHEN should I be concerned about it?
>
> Whenever you make any https (or other SSL/TLS-protected) connection to a
> website, mail server, etc, using Apple software (Safari etc) under OSX
> 10.9.

Am I correct in assuming that includes Apple Mail?
And any third party mail apps which use the Apple libraries of course.

Mavericks Server too?

-- 
Paul Sture

How many Linux users does it take to change a lightbulb? 20. 1 to change it
and 19 others to install new sockets do it their own way.

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#57085

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2014-02-25 21:32 +0000
Message-ID	<bn4gf6FcrkaU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#57080

On 2014-02-25, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> On 2014-02-25, Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> While I have to admit to be fascinated by this, I have but one
>>> question. Please explain to a person whose only exposure to
>>> programming was a single FORTRAN class in the mid-70s, is this
>>> something I should be concerned about
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> and, if so, WHEN should I be concerned about it?
>>
>> Whenever you make any https (or other SSL/TLS-protected) connection to a
>> website, mail server, etc, using Apple software (Safari etc) under OSX
>> 10.9.
>
> Am I correct in assuming that includes Apple Mail?
> And any third party mail apps which use the Apple libraries of course.

Best to assume it goes for *any* SSL connection.

> Mavericks Server too?

Of course. Mavericks Server is just an extension of Mavericks "client".

BTW, the Mac OS X update is available now.

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#57093

From	Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com>
Date	2014-02-25 17:12 -0600
Message-ID	<lej80m$bs5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#57085

On 2/25/14, 3:32 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> BTW, the Mac OS X update is available now.

So it is.  Interesting that it didn't tell me about it unasked -- I had 
to open the app store and ask it to check for updates.

-- 
Ted

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#57094

From	Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com>
Date	2014-02-25 17:24 -0600
Message-ID	<lej8mh$bs5$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#57085

On 2/25/14, 3:32 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> BTW, the Mac OS X update is available now.

No fix for the wifi/bluetooth problem, it would seem.  It does claim 
some fixes to gmail/Mailapp problems.

Nor does either the update info or the link to security update info say 
anything that implies the SSL flaw has been fixed!  At least I couldn't 
find it.

-- 
Ted

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#57106

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2014-02-26 02:38 +0000
Message-ID	<bn52dbFgm4aU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#57094

On 2014-02-25, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/25/14, 3:32 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> BTW, the Mac OS X update is available now.
>
> No fix for the wifi/bluetooth problem, it would seem.  It does claim 
> some fixes to gmail/Mailapp problems.

"The" WiFi/Bluetooth problem? I don't have any problems at all with
either one. Maybe it's not as wide spread as you seem to think?

> Nor does either the update info or the link to security update info say 
> anything that implies the SSL flaw has been fixed!  At least I couldn't 
> find it.

Yes it does:

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6150>

Data Security
Available for:  OS X Mavericks 10.9 and 10.9.1
Impact:  An attacker with a privileged network position may capture
or modify data in sessions protected by SSL/TLS
Description:  Secure Transport failed to validate the authenticity of
the connection. This issue was addressed by restoring missing
validation steps.
CVE-ID
CVE-2014-1266

Secure Transport
Available for:  OS X Mountain Lion v10.8.5
Impact:  An attacker may be able to decrypt data protected by SSL
Description:  There were known attacks on the confidentiality of SSL
3.0 and TLS 1.0 when a cipher suite used a block cipher in CBC mode.
To address these issues for applications using Secure Transport, the
1-byte fragment mitigation was enabled by default for this
configuration.
CVE-ID
CVE-2011-3389 : Juliano Rizzo and Thai Duong

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#57111

From	Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com>
Date	2014-02-25 21:03 -0600
Message-ID	<lejliq$ai1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#57106

On 2/25/14, 8:38 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-02-25, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/25/14, 3:32 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> BTW, the Mac OS X update is available now.
>> No fix for the wifi/bluetooth problem, it would seem.  It does claim
>> some fixes to gmail/Mailapp problems.
> "The" WiFi/Bluetooth problem? I don't have any problems at all with
> either one. Maybe it's not as wide spread as you seem to think?
>
Go check the support community discussions.  It appears to be quite 
common with certain hardware (If I remember right, recent laptops) and 
Mavericks -- if bluetooth is on, wifi won't reconnect well, if at all, 
after waking from sleep.  It certainly was a problem with mine.  I don't 
use bluetooth much, but I did once and accidentally left it on -- 
thereafter, not that I was aware of the "thereafter" at the time, I had 
that problem with my wifi until I turned the bluetooth off, after having 
stumbled across a discussion about it.

Having said that, I just tried turning on bluetooth after installing the 
update and could not make the misbehavior happen, so possibly they did 
fix it.
>> Nor does either the update info or the link to security update info say
>> anything that implies the SSL flaw has been fixed!  At least I couldn't
>> find it.
> Yes it does:
>
> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6150>
>
>
Thanks.  Where did you find that link?  The one with the update, 
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222, and anything referenced in it that I 
followed, has no details and doesn't even list an update for any 10.9. 
security issues.
> -- 
> Ted

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#57118

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2014-02-26 04:19 +0000
Message-ID	<bn58b2FhkarU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#57111

On 2014-02-26, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/25/14, 8:38 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2014-02-25, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/25/14, 3:32 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> BTW, the Mac OS X update is available now.
>>> No fix for the wifi/bluetooth problem, it would seem.  It does claim
>>> some fixes to gmail/Mailapp problems.
>> "The" WiFi/Bluetooth problem? I don't have any problems at all with
>> either one. Maybe it's not as wide spread as you seem to think?
>>
> Go check the support community discussions.  It appears to be quite 
> common with certain hardware (If I remember right, recent laptops) and 
> Mavericks -- if bluetooth is on, wifi won't reconnect well, if at all, 
> after waking from sleep.  It certainly was a problem with mine.  I don't 
> use bluetooth much, but I did once and accidentally left it on -- 
> thereafter, not that I was aware of the "thereafter" at the time, I had 
> that problem with my wifi until I turned the bluetooth off, after having 
> stumbled across a discussion about it.
>
> Having said that, I just tried turning on bluetooth after installing the 
> update and could not make the misbehavior happen, so possibly they did 
> fix it.
>>> Nor does either the update info or the link to security update info say
>>> anything that implies the SSL flaw has been fixed!  At least I couldn't
>>> find it.
>>
>> Yes it does:
>>
>> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6150>
>>
> Thanks.  Where did you find that link?  

Since I am subscribed to the apple security announcements mail list, I
got a message this morning announcing the release. The message gave an
exhaustive list of all of the updated packages, along with a link to
<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222>.

> The one with the update, http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222, and
> anything referenced in it that I followed, has no details and doesn't
> even list an update for any 10.9.  security issues.

It's the very first item at the top of the "Security updates" list:

<http://imageshack.com/a/img716/1199/580s.png>

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#57245

From	"M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com>
Date	2014-02-28 11:29 -0500
Message-ID	<leqdgl$vnk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#57111

On 2/25/14, 10:03 PM, Ted Lee wrote:
> On 2/25/14, 8:38 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2014-02-25, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/25/14, 3:32 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> BTW, the Mac OS X update is available now.
>>> No fix for the wifi/bluetooth problem, it would seem.  It does claim
>>> some fixes to gmail/Mailapp problems.
>> "The" WiFi/Bluetooth problem? I don't have any problems at all with
>> either one. Maybe it's not as wide spread as you seem to think?
>>
> Go check the support community discussions.  It appears to be quite
> common with certain hardware (If I remember right, recent laptops) and
> Mavericks -- if bluetooth is on, wifi won't reconnect well, if at all,
> after waking from sleep.  It certainly was a problem with mine.  I don't
> use bluetooth much, but I did once and accidentally left it on --
> thereafter, not that I was aware of the "thereafter" at the time, I had
> that problem with my wifi until I turned the bluetooth off, after having
> stumbled across a discussion about it.
>
> Having said that, I just tried turning on bluetooth after installing the
> update and could not make the misbehavior happen, so possibly they did
> fix it.

Still working out for you? My MacBook Air is still having a problem with 
bluetooth on.  Seems a little different, though.  I don't see any 
indication that it's looking for a wifi connection.  Turned off 
bluetooth, no problem.

>>> Nor does either the update info or the link to security update info say
>>> anything that implies the SSL flaw has been fixed!  At least I couldn't
>>> find it.
>> Yes it does:
>>
>> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6150>
>>
>>
> Thanks.  Where did you find that link?  The one with the update,
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222, and anything referenced in it that I
> followed, has no details and doesn't even list an update for any 10.9.
> security issues.
>> --
>> Ted

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#57251

From	Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com>
Date	2014-02-28 12:48 -0600
Message-ID	<leqllt$kvr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#57245

On 2/28/14, 10:29 AM, M. John Matlaw wrote:
>
> Still working out for you? My MacBook Air is still having a problem with
> bluetooth on.  Seems a little different, though.  I don't see any
> indication that it's looking for a wifi connection.  Turned off
> bluetooth, no problem.

It may not be -- last couple of times I tried turning bt on, while wifi 
connected OK, it didn't negotiate a very good rate (only 7 mbps!). 
Turned bt off and rate came back up to a good speed (117)

-- 
Ted

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#57312

From	billy@MIX.COM
Date	2014-02-26 01:44 +0000
Message-ID	<lejguo$5d6$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to	#57094

Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> writes:

> Nor does either the update info or the link to security update info say 
> anything that implies the SSL flaw has been fixed!  At least I couldn't 
> find it.

It's not on the web site yet, but -

| APPLE-SA-2014-02-25-1 OS X Mavericks 10.9.2 and Security Update
| 2014-001
|
| OS X Mavericks 10.9.2 and Security Update 2014-001 is now available
| and addresses the following:

| Data Security
|
| Available for:  OS X Mavericks 10.9 and 10.9.1
|
| Impact:  An attacker with a privileged network position may capture
| or modify data in sessions protected by SSL/TLS
|
| Description:  Secure Transport failed to validate the authenticity of
| the connection.  This issue was addressed by restoring missing
| validation steps.
|
| CVE-ID
| CVE-2014-1266

Billy Y..
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#57310

From	billy@MIX.COM
Date	2014-02-25 21:59 +0000
Message-ID	<lej3n8$re7$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to	#57085

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes, quoting
Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> and Paul
Sture <nospam@sture.ch>:

> >> Whenever you make any https (or other SSL/TLS-protected) connection to a
> >> website, mail server, etc, using Apple software (Safari etc) under OSX
> >> 10.9.
> >
> > Am I correct in assuming that includes Apple Mail?
> > And any third party mail apps which use the Apple libraries of course.
> 
> Best to assume it goes for *any* SSL connection.

From what I read the Firefox and Chrome use other libs and weren't affected,
but I don't use either of those.  FF has fallen into tab hell, and I don't
feel like disclosing what I do to Google.  On the good side, Chrome is now
pinning at least Google certs, and FF has the Convergence addon.

Billy Y..
-- 
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#57007

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2014-02-24 22:33 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnlgni58.1gv5.g.kreme@oswin.local>
In reply to	#56967

In message <bn1988Fmd88U1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <bn026nFe8lqU1@mid.individual.net> 
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-02-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com> 
>>>>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>  if bar(foo) then
>>>>>    begin
>>>>>      brat (tat);
>>>>>      stat (a,v)
>>>>>    end
>>>>>  else
>>>>>    faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>
>>>> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
>>>> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>>>>
>>>>   if bar(foo) {
>>>>     brat(tat);
>>>>     stat(a,v);
>>>>   } else {
>>>>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>>>   }
>>>>
>>>> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>>>>
>>>> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
>>>> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.

     vvvvvvvvvv this vvvvvvvv
>>>> That said, I can't stand writing in python because of its reliance of
>>>> using white space for block control. That seems like the stupidest idea
>>>> any language designer ever had.

>>> White space isn't the enemy. Far from it.

>> SIGNIFICANT white space is *an* enemy.

> I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your definition of
> significant if it includes placing brackets on their own lines. And
> that's okay. As I said earlier, getting developers to agree on minutia
> is like herding cats. ; ) I'm happy we have the freedom of choice.

No, I was talking about my dislike for coding python because it requires
specific and significant spacing to control logical blocks.

-- 
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the time might start to think.

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#57018

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2014-02-24 23:13 +0000
Message-ID	<bn21vuFrogrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#57007

On 2014-02-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <bn1988Fmd88U1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-02-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
> No, I was talking about my dislike for coding python because it requires
> specific and significant spacing to control logical blocks.

Yeah. Python is just plain fugly.

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#57013

From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date	2014-02-24 17:45 -0500
Message-ID	<Ls-dnWw1lJMGVpbOnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#56951

On 2014.02.24, 00:04 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-02-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <ItGdnd5-bfmfB5fOnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>   if bar(foo) then
>>>     begin
>>>       brat (tat);
>>>       stat (a,v)
>>>     end
>>>   else
>>>     faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>
>> Is how I would space that. However, that else is something I
>> particularly dislike. That, to me, is terrible obtuse code.
>>
>>    if bar(foo) {
>>      brat(tat);
>>      stat(a,v);
>>    } else {
>>      faggetaboutit("I object!");
>>    }
>>
>> That is much clearer and more concise that the code above.
>>
>> I don't like putting {'s on empty lines for no reason, but the last
>> close bracket matches up the else and if showing the block has ended.
>>
>> That said, I can't stand writing in python because of its reliance of
>> using white space for block control. That seems like the stupidest idea
>> any language designer ever had.
>
> White space isn't the enemy. Far from it.

As structure guidance for the compiler it sure is ...

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   Those who have reduced our privacy, whether they are state
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                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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