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  Getting two computers to talk to each other David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 10:45 -0800
    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 18:50 +0000
    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 08:58 +1300
      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:59 -0500
      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 18:49 -0500
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:24 +1300
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 20:57 -0500
            Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 09:58 +0000
              Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:13 +0000
                Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 15:01 +0000
                  Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 21:06 +0000
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-01-30 16:57 -0500
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-30 17:05 -0500
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-30 14:12 -0800
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 22:02 +0000
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-01-30 17:51 -0500
                Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 12:02 -0500
                  Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-01 17:08 +0000
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-01 23:03 +0000
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-02 00:57 +0000
                        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-01 21:23 -0600
                        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-02 04:54 +0000
                        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 09:29 -0500
              Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 08:58 +1300
                Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 21:13 +0000
                  Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-30 13:53 -0800
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 22:09 +0000
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-30 22:40 -0800
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-31 12:41 +0000
                  Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 13:39 +1300
                    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-31 08:27 +0000
                      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-01 09:45 +1300
                        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-31 22:33 +0000
                Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 01:15 +0100
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:24 +1300
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 02:49 +0000
            Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 01:22 +0100
              Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 00:55 +0000
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 12:02 -0500
      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2014-01-30 02:45 +0100
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 12:30 -0500
    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 18:18 -0500
    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 18:54 -0500
      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 02:53 +0000
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Gary <gary_w1@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-30 03:44 -0500
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 10:00 +0000
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 14:59 +0000
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 09:02 +1300
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 12:32 -0500
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-30 12:26 -0800
            Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 01:30 +0100
        Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-31 00:49 +0000
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-31 03:55 +0000
          Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 18:25 +1300
    Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2014-01-30 20:02 -0600
      Re: Getting two computers to talk to each other Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-31 18:27 +1300

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#55755

On 2/1/14, 6:57 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> I have fond memories of assembly language programming with a limited set
> of registers etc, rebuilding TRS-DOS diskette directories by hand in
> hexadecimal, repairing crappy disk drives by hand with a solder gun.
> I feel those of us who learned computing and programming in those days
> are actually pretty lucky, because it allowed us to gain a rudimentary
> understanding of how things work that is harder to attain today,

What I found especially educational (and it was part of my profession at 
the time) was figuring out how to defeat the copy-protection schemes on 
the Apple II diskettes.

-- 
Ted

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#55757

In message <bl5jfoFnaaU1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-02-01, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <bl4o0eFpmdpU1@mid.individual.net> 
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-02-01, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2014.01.30, 08:13 , Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>>>>>    Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <-u2dnf2PD4kFLHTPnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>>>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
>>>>>> on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
>>>>>> bleating about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hell, you could easily network the original Mac 128K. Just plug it in to
>>>>> a chain of other Macs and VOILA! a LAN appeared as if by magic.
>>>>
>>>> I was a member of the other faith at the time.
>>
>>> I was still doing Basic/Zilog Assembly programming on TRS-80s back then
>>> and the experience of using Apple's LocalTalk networking on Macs was
>>> magical compared with other networking solutions available for other
>>> platforms at the time.
>>
>> I remember hand wiring a serial cable to connect a computer to the other
>> using... damn, I don't remember how we got them to 'talk'.  All you
>> could do was type on one screen and see it on the other, but if you had
>> two people trying to talk it was garbled. Even that was magic.  Of
>> course, this was before any of us ever heard of the Internet or
>> modems.

>: )

> I have fond memories of assembly language programming with a limited set
> of registers etc, rebuilding TRS-DOS diskette directories by hand in
> hexadecimal, repairing crappy disk drives by hand with a solder gun.
> I feel those of us who learned computing and programming in those days
> are actually pretty lucky, because it allowed us to gain a rudimentary
> understanding of how things work that is harder to attain today,

But to be clear, I have no desire to go back to those days. I like the
tools I have now and the fact that freaking *everything* is on the
Internet and that I can find the answer to a question in minutes so I
can keep working instead of in days (or weeks, or never) which was so
often the case 30 years ago.

Just the other day I thought I would take a stab at redoing a header
logo on a blog in HTML canvas instead of the old png I'd made by hand
several years ago. It was just a text logo, nothing terribly fancy, a
drop shadow, a little tweak to the kerning, but it was this big blob of
an image and it didn't scale down well.

There were some issues with getting started though. First, I'd never
written a single line of javascript. Second, I'd never even looked at
the spec for HTML5 canvas element. Third, I had no idea if what I wanted
to do was even possible, but I was pretty sure it was. Fourth, Wordpress
has always been a thing I setup for someone and then walk away. What I
wanted to do required getting into the php/html code and not just
playing with the GUI (although, maybe I could have done some of it via
the GUI, not sure).

But, after a few hours I had what I wanted, a HTML canvas with the text
I wanted and the shadow and it looked pretty much exactly like the png
logo.

Then I got going and did some other stuff. I ended up writing three
functions, one to draw a graphic logo in the canvas, one to put text in
the canvas (accepting several passed variables like the text, the base
size, the primary color, the secondary color, and an array of letters to
put in the secondary color. I wrote a little subroutine that pulled the
kerning in on the punctuation characters even.

And I say this not to brag about my 1337 hax0rz skillz with the HTML5,
but rather that I would never have dove into this if I didn't have that
1980s foundation of "we'll just try it until something works."
Javascript? Dead simple to write, and not very different than C or php.
Canvas elements? Well, they're a little odd and I'm not sure IO
understand exactly how the y axis works in them, but I got the values
that worked by fiddling with it in BBEdit. And that's what I see a lot
of people don't do is just try things. Everyone, from the neophyte user
to the 'experienced' programmer under 30 seems to have a attitude that
if they don't get it just right, everything will go to hell and the
Internet will explode.

On the other hand, I spent about 15 minutes trying to add an alpha
channel to a jpeg file, so you know, still stupid. :)

I ended up, though, with a stand-alone javascript file that has my
functions and I will be able to reuse that in a bunch of other pages
and while I will probably continue to tweak them and I'm under no
illusions that the code is necessarily good (or 'good') it all works.

The equivilant sort of task in 1987 would have taken many posts to
various USENET groups, several days while those posts propagated and
replies came in, and going to the library and finding books (which were
probably checked out anyway).

-- 
'Winners never talk about glorious victories. That's because they're the
ones who see what the battlefield looks like afterwards. It's only the
losers who have glorious victories.' --Small Gods

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#55762

On 2014.02.01, 19:57 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-02-01, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <bl4o0eFpmdpU1@mid.individual.net>
>>    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-02-01, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2014.01.30, 08:13 , Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>>>>>     Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <-u2dnf2PD4kFLHTPnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>>>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
>>>>>> on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
>>>>>> bleating about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hell, you could easily network the original Mac 128K. Just plug it in to
>>>>> a chain of other Macs and VOILA! a LAN appeared as if by magic.
>>>>
>>>> I was a member of the other faith at the time.
>>
>>> I was still doing Basic/Zilog Assembly programming on TRS-80s back then
>>> and the experience of using Apple's LocalTalk networking on Macs was
>>> magical compared with other networking solutions available for other
>>> platforms at the time.
>>
>> I remember hand wiring a serial cable to connect a computer to the other
>> using... damn, I don't remember how we got them to 'talk'.  All you
>> could do was type on one screen and see it on the other, but if you had
>> two people trying to talk it was garbled. Even that was magic.  Of
>> course, this was before any of us ever heard of the Internet or
>> modems.
>
> : )
>
> I have fond memories of assembly language programming with a limited set
> of registers etc, rebuilding TRS-DOS diskette directories by hand in
> hexadecimal, repairing crappy disk drives by hand with a solder gun.
> I feel those of us who learned computing and programming in those days
> are actually pretty lucky, because it allowed us to gain a rudimentary
> understanding of how things work that is harder to attain today,

Similar experience here  -  though I wouldn't call it rudimentary. 
OTOH, in those days we could easily understand every register and i/o 
(ports, interrupts, mem mapping, etc.) and peripherals (UARTS, timers, 
interrupt controllers, etc) at both the h/w and s/w level down to every 
detail and clock cycle.  I wrote my own OS' (compact, real-time) on 
sparse processors like the 8085 and 8086.  It was fun.  (Having the 
hp-64000 ICE was a blessing as well).

Today's processor are incredibly complex in comparison.

-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#55616

In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <-u2dnf2PD4kFLHTPnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > On 2014.01.29, 19:24 , Your Name wrote:
> > > In article <ZaCdnc78U4IZDnTPnZ2dnUVZ_o4AAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > >> On 2014.01.29, 14:58 , Your Name wrote:
> > >>> In article <941d0674-4af2-4aad-81ef-52a04b41905c@googlegroups.com>,
> > >>> David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I
> > >>>> never
> > >>>> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I
> > >>>> recently
> > >>>> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that
> > >>>> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the
> > >>>> PC.
> > >>>> So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as
> > >>>> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the
> > >>>> attached files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves 
> > >>>> actually connecting the two computers to each other and sending the
> > >>>> files directly.
> > >>>> Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up as an icon on the other 
> > >>>> computer's desktop, so that I could directly move files back and 
> > >>>> forth. How is this done?
> > >>>
> > >>> The easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive or external hard
> > >>> drive.
> > >>>
> > >>> You could get the machines to connect over the network, but is it
> > >>> really worth the hassle and likely problems of networking just to
> > >>> transfer a few files?
> > >>
> > >> Hassle?
> > >
> > > Networking is notouriously problematic, especialy if you don't know
> > > what you're doing, although newer OSes have made it easier.
> > 
> > Even 10 years ago it was pretty easy for casual users by simply 
> > following "recipe" instruction found here or there on the web.  Today 
> > it's all but trivial.
> 
> More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
> on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
> bleating about.

AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots
of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside.

As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have
no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple
ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the
simplest way to exchange files.  :-\

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#55620

In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
> > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
> > bleating about.
> 
> AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots
> of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside.

What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting
as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another
switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration
needed.

> As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have
> no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple
> ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the
> simplest way to exchange files.  :-\

Given that here I already have the LAN so that both our Minis can talk
to the Internet, I just write files directly to the other Mini.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#55621

In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
> > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
> > > bleating about.
> > 
> > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots
> > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside.
> 
> What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting
> as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another
> switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration
> needed.
> 
> > As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have
> > no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple
> > ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the
> > simplest way to exchange files.  :-\
> 
> Given that here I already have the LAN so that both our Minis can talk
> to the Internet, I just write files directly to the other Mini.

Well, ftp is turned off by default and there's nothing to click on the 
Services menu to enable it. You have to use a GUI tool 

https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/39870/lion-ftpd-enable

Or result to command-line foo:

start ftpd:

sudo -s "launchctl load -wF /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/ftp.plist; 
launchctl start com.apple.ftpd"

stop ftpd:

sudo -s "launchctl stop com.apple.ftpd;launchctl unload -wF 
/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/ftp.plist"

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#55625

In article <vilain-079359.13533130012014@news.individual.net>, Michael
Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
> > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
> > > > bleating about.
> > > 
> > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots
> > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside.
> > 
> > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting
> > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another
> > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration
> > needed.
> > 
> > > As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have
> > > no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple
> > > ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the
> > > simplest way to exchange files.  :-\
> > 
> > Given that here I already have the LAN so that both our Minis can talk
> > to the Internet, I just write files directly to the other Mini.
> 
> Well, ftp is turned off by default and there's nothing to click on the 
> Services menu to enable it. You have to use a GUI tool 
> 
> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/39870/lion-ftpd-enable

What do I need FTP for? I just mount the remote disk and use it like
any other.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#55640

In article <300120142209436181%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <vilain-079359.13533130012014@news.individual.net>, Michael
> Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> 
> > In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
> >  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> > > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
> > > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
> > > > > bleating about.
> > > > 
> > > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots
> > > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside.
> > > 
> > > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting
> > > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another
> > > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration
> > > needed.
> > > 
> > > > As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have
> > > > no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple
> > > > ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the
> > > > simplest way to exchange files.  :-\
> > > 
> > > Given that here I already have the LAN so that both our Minis can talk
> > > to the Internet, I just write files directly to the other Mini.
> > 
> > Well, ftp is turned off by default and there's nothing to click on the 
> > Services menu to enable it. You have to use a GUI tool 
> > 
> > https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/39870/lion-ftpd-enable
> 
> What do I need FTP for? I just mount the remote disk and use it like
> any other.

If you'er talking CIFS mount of the PC on the Mac, that's requires a 
passworded account on the PC to allow the Mac to login. I don't know how 
an account with a blank password would work in that situation since I 
only use Windows 7 in emulation.  And there are different versions of 
CIFS. Depending on the version running on the PC, you may have problems 
connnecting until the versions right.

Note: I recall the OP wanted to network a Windows and a Mac together. 
You're talking about two Macs, which isn't the original problem as I 
recall it. If I got that wrong, apologies.

http://support.apple.com/kb/PH10780?viewlocale=en_US
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3208098?start=45&tstart=0

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#55649

In message <vilain-079359.13533130012014@news.individual.net> 
  Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

>> In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
>> > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
>> > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
>> > > bleating about.
>> > 
>> > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots
>> > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside.
>> 
>> What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting
>> as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another
>> switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration
>> needed.
>> 
>> > As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have
>> > no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple
>> > ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the
>> > simplest way to exchange files.  :-\
>> 
>> Given that here I already have the LAN so that both our Minis can talk
>> to the Internet, I just write files directly to the other Mini.

> Well, ftp is turned off by default and there's nothing to click on the 
> Services menu to enable it. You have to use a GUI tool 

Why would you use ftp?

There's no need to use ftp on your LAN, just copy the files.

-- 
"We're philosophers. We think, therefore we am."

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#55630

In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
> > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
> > > bleating about.
> > 
> > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots
> > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside.
> 
> What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting
> as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another
> switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration
> needed.

Until you hit something with an incorrect ID or duplicate ID, then
finding and fixing it can be a major pain in the backside (at least it
used to be, as I said, newer versions of the OSes have made it easier).

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#55647

In article <310120141339108861%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
> > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
> > > > bleating about.
> > > 
> > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots
> > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside.
> > 
> > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting
> > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another
> > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration
> > needed.
> 
> Until you hit something with an incorrect ID or duplicate ID, then
> finding and fixing it can be a major pain in the backside (at least it
> used to be, as I said, newer versions of the OSes have made it easier).

What do you mean by "incorrect or duplicate ID"?

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#55667

In article <310120140827591948%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <310120141339108861%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> > > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
> > > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
> > > > > bleating about.
> > > > 
> > > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots
> > > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside.
> > > 
> > > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting
> > > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another
> > > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration
> > > needed.
> > 
> > Until you hit something with an incorrect ID or duplicate ID, then
> > finding and fixing it can be a major pain in the backside (at least it
> > used to be, as I said, newer versions of the OSes have made it easier).
> 
> What do you mean by "incorrect or duplicate ID"?

Thanks for proving my point.  :-)

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#55674

In article <010220140945193388%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <310120140827591948%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > In article <310120141339108861%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > In article <300120142113233395%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > > In article <310120140858410556%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> > > > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > > > > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of
> > > > > > Macs
> > > > > > on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
> > > > > > bleating about.
> > > > > 
> > > > > AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches,
> > > > > lots
> > > > > of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside.
> > > > 
> > > > What's so hard about a router with a number of LAN ports on it acting
> > > > as a switch? If you run out of LAN ports on that just get another
> > > > switch and connect it all together. Simples, and no configuration
> > > > needed.
> > > 
> > > Until you hit something with an incorrect ID or duplicate ID, then
> > > finding and fixing it can be a major pain in the backside (at least it
> > > used to be, as I said, newer versions of the OSes have made it easier).
> > 
> > What do you mean by "incorrect or duplicate ID"?
> 
> Thanks for proving my point.  :-)

Which was what?

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#56322

On 2014-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <300120140958183018%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
><timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <-u2dnf2PD4kFLHTPnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > On 2014.01.29, 19:24 , Your Name wrote:
>> > > In article <ZaCdnc78U4IZDnTPnZ2dnUVZ_o4AAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> > > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> > >> On 2014.01.29, 14:58 , Your Name wrote:
>> > >>> In article <941d0674-4af2-4aad-81ef-52a04b41905c@googlegroups.com>,
>> > >>> David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I
>> > >>>> never
>> > >>>> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I
>> > >>>> recently
>> > >>>> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that
>> > >>>> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the
>> > >>>> PC.
>> > >>>> So far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as
>> > >>>> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the
>> > >>>> attached files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves
>> > >>>> actually connecting the two computers to each other and sending the
>> > >>>> files directly.
>> > >>>> Ideally, I'd like one computer to show up as an icon on the other
>> > >>>> computer's desktop, so that I could directly move files back and
>> > >>>> forth. How is this done?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive or external hard
>> > >>> drive.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> You could get the machines to connect over the network, but is it
>> > >>> really worth the hassle and likely problems of networking just to
>> > >>> transfer a few files?
>> > >>
>> > >> Hassle?
>> > >
>> > > Networking is notouriously problematic, especialy if you don't know
>> > > what you're doing, although newer OSes have made it easier.
>> >
>> > Even 10 years ago it was pretty easy for casual users by simply
>> > following "recipe" instruction found here or there on the web.  Today
>> > it's all but trivial.
>>
>> More than 20 years ago it was pretty easy to connect a number of Macs
>> on a LAN using AppleTalk. I don't know what the nameless one is
>> bleating about.
>
> AppleTalk was easy, but ethernet networks with routers / switches, lots
> of different equipment, etc. can be a pain in the backside.
>
> As I said the easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive ... I have
> no idea why so many people have such an aversion to using a simple
> ejectable media (disks, CDs, Flash drives, etc.). It's still the
> simplest way to exchange files.  :-\

A USB drive won't be as fast as this:

scp *flac me@mac:~/Downloads
file1.flac                    100%  876MB  25.0MB/s   00:35
file1.flac                    100%  510MB  25.5MB/s   00:20

1386MB in less than a minute.  Job done.

--
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#55580

In article <ZaCdnc78U4IZDnTPnZ2dnUVZ_o4AAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.01.29, 14:58 , Your Name wrote:
> > In article <941d0674-4af2-4aad-81ef-52a04b41905c@googlegroups.com>,
> > David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I never
> >> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I recently
> >> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that
> >> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the PC.
> >> So
> >> far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as
> >> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the attached
> >> files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves actually connecting
> >> the two computers to each other and sending the files directly. Ideally,
> >> I'd
> >> like one computer to show up as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so
> >> that I could directly move files back and forth. How is this done?
> >
> > The easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive or external hard
> > drive.
> >
> > You could get the machines to connect over the network, but is it
> > really worth the hassle and likely problems of networking just to
> > transfer a few files?
> 
> Hassle?

Of course the easier and probably better way would have been to use
Boot Camp or VMWare / Parallels so everything was on the Mac.

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#55587

On 2014-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
> Of course the easier and probably better way would have been to use
> Boot Camp or VMWare / Parallels so everything was on the Mac.

Yup.

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JR

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#56323

On 2014-01-30, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>
>> Of course the easier and probably better way would have been to use
>> Boot Camp or VMWare / Parallels so everything was on the Mac.
>
> Yup.

It depends on how you do the transfer.  I have found that using scp from
a VM under Fusion is considerably faster than using Fusion's host shared
folders once you are talking about largish files (e.g. > 100MB).
It's not noticeable for small files though.

--
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#56325

On 2014-02-10, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> On 2014-01-30, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-01-30, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course the easier and probably better way would have been to use
>>> Boot Camp or VMWare / Parallels so everything was on the Mac.
>>
>> Yup.
>
> It depends on how you do the transfer.  I have found that using scp from
> a VM under Fusion is considerably faster than using Fusion's host shared
> folders once you are talking about largish files (e.g. > 100MB).
> It's not noticeable for small files though.

Completely ignoring the fact that this requires significant TCP/IP setup
for each computer...

That's a lot to ignore.

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#55714

On 2014.01.29, 19:24 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <ZaCdnc78U4IZDnTPnZ2dnUVZ_o4AAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.01.29, 14:58 , Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <941d0674-4af2-4aad-81ef-52a04b41905c@googlegroups.com>,
>>> David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something Inever
>>>> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I recently
>>>> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that
>>>> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the PC.
>>>> So
>>>> far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as
>>>> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the attached
>>>> files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves actually connecting
>>>> the two computers to each other and sending the files directly. Ideally,
>>>> I'd
>>>> like one computer to show up as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so
>>>> that I could directly move files back and forth. How is this done?
>>>
>>> The easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive or external hard
>>> drive.
>>>
>>> You could get the machines to connect over the network, but is it
>>> really worth the hassle and likely problems of networking just to
>>> transfer a few files?
>>
>> Hassle?
>
> Of course the easier and probably better way would have been to use
> Boot Camp or VMWare / Parallels so everything was on the Mac.

As I had replied to the OP.

-- 
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#55585

Your Name wrote:
> David Downing <david.h.downing@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I realize this is a very basic question, but it concerns something I never
>> had to do before now. Obviously, since I'm here, I have a Mac. I recently
>> bought a secondhand PC so I could learn to use a piece of software that
>> does;t run on the Mac. I have a need to send files from my Mac to the PC. So
>> far, I've been doing via email -- emailing the files to myself as
>> attachments, then opening the emails on the PC and downloading the attached
>> files. But there's gotta be a better way that involves actually connecting
>> the two computers to each other and sending the files directly. Ideally, I'd
>> like one computer to show up as an icon on the other computer's desktop, so
>> that I could directly move files back and forth. How is this done?
>
> The easiest way is to simply use a USB flash drive or external hard
> drive.

Yes, but then he has to notice that the USB stick/harddisk is formatted 
in FAT32 to be sure that this will work...

> You could get the machines to connect over the network, but is it
> really worth the hassle and likely problems of networking just to
> transfer a few files?

A standard RJ45 ethernet cable between the two machines - and it should 
only take 10 secs. for both machines to recognize each others...

And no worriness about formatting tables. - A Mac reads and writes 
to/from any FAT32 disk, and if the PC is running XPPro SP3 or newer any 
Mac disks - external or internal, connected to a Mac, - will be 
recognized as 'shared disk', and you can read and write to/from these 
Mac disks from the PC.

Cheers, Erik Richard

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