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Grammar Gripe

Started bySalmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net>
First post2013-12-21 11:21 -0800
Last post2013-12-28 18:55 +1300
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  Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 11:21 -0800
    Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-21 21:09 +0000
      Re: Grammar Gripe Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-21 13:15 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 13:41 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 13:54 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-22 11:21 +1300
            Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 18:36 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 16:45 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:35 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:44 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:47 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 21:58 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 09:13 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-24 16:45 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:38 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 21:58 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-23 19:09 +1300
                  Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-23 09:05 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-23 18:58 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 14:06 +1300
                      Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 18:36 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 18:14 +1300
                          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:56 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:14 +1300
                              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:19 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-24 17:45 -0500
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2013-12-25 01:43 -0800
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-25 08:58 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:29 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 18:51 +1300
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:59 -0500
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 19:14 +1300
                              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:59 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:07 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:36 +1300
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 12:52 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 16:31 -0500
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 17:11 -0500
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:49 -0800
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 23:56 +0000
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:15 -0800
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 16:59 -0800
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:22 +1300
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe "Ed H." <fake@notreal.net> - 2013-12-27 13:30 -0600
                                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-24 22:02 +0000
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:20 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:58 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 12:47 -0500
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:09 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:09 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 12:18 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:38 +1300
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 17:18 -0500
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:52 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 18:44 -0500
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:03 -0800
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:24 +1300
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-24 23:05 -0500
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:50 +1300
                                            Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 13:28 -0500
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 15:52 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:54 +1300
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:10 -0800
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:26 +1300
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-25 04:34 +0000
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:52 +1300
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 21:34 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 15:16 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:11 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-26 19:00 -0800
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-27 08:20 -0500
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:48 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-27 18:52 -0500
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 10:20 -0500
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:50 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 09:27 -0800
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:51 -0800
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 13:07 -0800
                                            Re: Semantics Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-29 18:17 +0100
                                              Re: Semantics Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-29 12:34 -0500
                                                Re: Semantics Gripe Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-29 14:53 -0800
                                              Re: Semantics Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-29 10:56 -0800
                                                Re: Semantics Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-29 21:55 +0100
                              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:04 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-26 16:28 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-24 18:22 -0500
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-25 00:02 +0000
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:15 +1300
                              Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-26 23:30 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:51 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-27 18:36 -0500
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 21:08 -0800
                      Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-24 18:03 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-01 17:55 +1100
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 11:41 -0700
                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 11:29 -0800
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 09:10 +1300
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 13:49 -0700
                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 15:38 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 13:16 +1300
                            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 17:31 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 09:10 +0000
                            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:47 -0800
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 22:17 +0000
                                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 15:29 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-02 18:33 -0800
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 13:46 -0700
                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 15:41 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:42 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:03 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 10:49 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-12-22 16:54 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-26 10:37 +1100
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-26 18:32 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 05:36 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-26 09:30 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:35 +1300
          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-23 10:59 +1100
        Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:34 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:45 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 04:58 +0000
    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-21 20:11 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-22 15:43 +0000
      Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-22 11:53 -0500
        Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-22 22:35 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 18:08 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-23 09:07 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 04:12 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 15:15 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-23 15:39 +0000
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 18:46 +0000
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:03 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 04:52 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 22:02 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 01:04 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-23 19:41 +1300
            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-23 11:27 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-23 09:55 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 13:33 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:05 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:04 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 18:40 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 22:19 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 10:15 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:01 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:10 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 18:23 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:29 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:49 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-23 02:35 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 10:32 -0600
      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 12:36 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:40 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 16:06 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:18 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:41 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-23 09:26 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 18:47 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:39 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:46 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 19:10 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 04:34 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-25 14:17 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 18:36 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 01:18 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 07:59 -0500
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 05:41 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 09:53 -0500
                            Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-26 21:27 -0500
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 02:06 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-27 08:03 -0500
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:43 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 19:16 -0800
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-27 08:04 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:00 +1000
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 10:42 -0700
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 09:52 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 10:44 -0500
                            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-26 10:00 -0800
                              Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-27 13:22 +0200
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 10:18 -0500
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-27 15:57 +0000
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-27 18:34 +0200
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 12:43 -0500
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:41 -0800
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 11:00 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 10:57 -0500
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 09:11 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 14:18 -0500
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Joe Di Domenico <joedid@email.com> - 2013-12-28 14:46 -0500
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-31 11:54 +0200
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:47 -0800
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-31 14:13 -0500
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:04 +1000
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 15:55 -0400
                                          Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-19 21:20 +0100
                                            Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 17:21 -0400
                                              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 17:22 -0700
                                                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-04-20 03:16 +0000
                                                  Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-20 00:00 -0400
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 08:40 -0400
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 10:54 -0400
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:02 +1000
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 08:34 -0400
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-19 15:09 +0000
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-20 08:51 +1000
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 22:37 -0400
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 12:36 +0200
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-20 07:03 -0700
                                        Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 17:33 +0200
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-04-21 07:57 -0400
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 03:23 +0200
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-04-20 03:11 +0000
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 09:35 -0400
                                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 15:51 -0400
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 15:56 -0500
                              Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 17:07 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-27 12:05 +1300
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-27 21:52 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-28 09:48 -0500
                              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:47 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-26 09:48 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-27 09:38 +1300
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:59 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:58 +1000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-23 22:18 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 04:06 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-24 14:19 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 10:17 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:03 -0800
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:14 -0500
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 20:01 +0000
                        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 15:19 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:14 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 16:05 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 15:55 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:07 +1300
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:08 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:25 +1300
                          Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:46 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:11 +1300
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 20:54 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:00 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 10:21 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:12 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:40 +1300
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 13:37 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 04:42 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 16:20 +0000
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 09:49 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 19:59 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-24 15:38 -0600
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 21:04 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-24 20:03 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-25 10:53 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-25 11:17 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:55 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-19 13:42 +0000
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-19 06:52 -0700
                  Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-20 09:24 +1000
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 22:35 -0400
                    Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 23:56 -0400
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 21:02 -0700
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-19 21:16 -0700
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-20 13:43 +0100
            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-28 16:34 +1100
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-28 18:39 +1300
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:45 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:57 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:36 +0100
          Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-22 22:54 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-23 03:20 +0100
              Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 22:07 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-23 09:56 +0100
                  Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 04:10 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:45 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:38 +0000
      Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:50 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-28 16:24 +1100
        Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 08:55 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-28 04:27 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 10:09 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-28 09:39 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:37 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:18 +1100
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 22:36 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 15:07 +1100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 17:27 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:24 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-30 17:34 +1100
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 10:04 +0100
                      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 10:31 -0500
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 19:25 +0100
                          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 13:56 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:48 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-01-02 15:10 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-03 01:21 +0000
                      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-02 21:21 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:34 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-28 22:17 +1100
          Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 11:06 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 09:15 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-29 09:42 +1300
              Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 16:08 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 14:01 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 17:49 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 18:04 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 19:06 -0500
                        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 22:17 -0500
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 22:38 -0500
                            Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-29 01:12 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 21:41 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:27 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 00:51 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-30 01:54 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 11:57 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-30 07:39 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 08:55 -0700
                    Re: Grammar Gripe JoeWolfDee <joedid@email.com> - 2013-12-30 11:13 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:11 -0500
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 18:29 -0700
                          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 17:32 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 15:56 +1300
                              Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 21:32 -0700
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 20:44 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:25 +1300
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 22:41 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:41 -0800
                                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-31 15:27 +0000
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:42 -0700
                              Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-31 02:33 -0500
                                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:42 -0800
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-01 09:50 +1300
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:24 -0700
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 14:51 -0800
                                    Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-31 17:09 -0800
                                      Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-01 09:34 +0000
                                  Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-10 18:16 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-31 13:04 +0100
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 03:03 +0000
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 20:44 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-10 18:20 -0800
                            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-11 16:17 +1300
                        Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:29 +1300
                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:46 -0800
                          Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-31 14:31 -0500
                            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 12:42 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 09:27 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 19:29 +0100
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:52 -0800
                        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 16:12 -0800
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 17:53 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:01 +1100
        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 05:31 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:39 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 14:38 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 12:55 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-29 10:28 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 17:59 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 18:58 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 23:26 -0500
                    Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 21:46 -0800
                      Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-29 01:21 -0500
        Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 09:23 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:44 +1100
        Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:22 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-29 21:13 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-30 00:21 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-29 22:44 -0700
              Re: Grammar Gripe Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-29 21:49 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 09:26 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 12:14 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 09:23 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 12:51 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 16:11 -0800
                    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 21:13 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:54 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:26 -0500
                  Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 22:41 +0000
                    Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 18:11 -0500
                      Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 23:25 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-29 22:37 -0700
            Re: Uniqueness Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-31 13:21 +0100
              Re: Uniqueness gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:52 -0800
              Re: Uniqueness Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:47 -0700
                Re: Uniqueness gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 14:55 -0800
                Re: Uniqueness Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-01-01 00:32 +0100
    Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:33 +0100
    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-23 10:57 +1100
    Re: Grammar Gripe bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 00:00 +0000
    Re: Grammar Gripe RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) - 2013-12-27 21:36 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-28 18:55 +1300

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#53729

FromWes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us>
Date2013-12-23 21:04 -0500
Message-ID<l9aq2u$qq3$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53709
On 12-23-2013 11:27, Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article <l98jph$vh1$2@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12-22-2013, 17:35, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> course there are those who imagine "criteria" to be singular.
>>
>> Why not?  Data are singular.  :-)
>
> I think the Brits treat "data" as a plural, Americans usually treat it
> as a singular collective.

_This_ American treats it as the plural of 'datum'


-- 
Wes Groleau

Change is inevitable.
Liberals need to learn that “inevitable" is not a synonym for “good."
Conservatives should learn that “inevitable" is not a synonym for “bad.”

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#53735

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2013-12-23 18:40 -0800
Message-ID<2013122318404147176-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to#53729
On 2013-12-24 02:04:15 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

> On 12-23-2013 11:27, Barry Margolin wrote:
>> In article <l98jph$vh1$2@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12-22-2013, 17:35, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>> course there are those who imagine "criteria" to be singular.
>>> 
>>> Why not?  Data are singular.  :-)
>> 
>> I think the Brits treat "data" as a plural, Americans usually treat it
>> as a singular collective.
> 
> _This_ American treats it as the plural of 'datum'

After being a "data analyst" for a generation I got tired of hearing 
"the data are" instead of the data is.  The data is a file full of 
numbers so to me it's single. The multiple only comes up with there are 
many "data files" not many datas or datum. I think the world "data" got 
used about 5 thousand times a day in that building, but I never heard 
datum, and only heard "the data are" from newbies, interns, recent 
hires, etc.

Not that this fixes the word's usage in time and space. I've found that 
nothing fixes words in time and space, or at least not for very long.  
Thus both "bad" and "sick" seem to be descriptors of "good music".  But 
that's another cul-de-sac...

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#53738

FromWes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us>
Date2013-12-23 22:19 -0500
Message-ID<l9augp$elb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53735
On 12-23-2013 21:40, gtr wrote:
> After being a "data analyst" for a generation I got tired of hearing
> "the data are" instead of the data is.  The data is a file full of
> numbers so to me it's single.

The data are the numbers in the file.  And you just heard that from a 
thirty-year software engineer.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    “A man with an experience is never
     at the mercy of a man with an argument.”
                       — Ron Allen

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#53756

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2013-12-24 10:15 -0500
Message-ID<52b9a512$0$47875$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#53738
In article <l9augp$elb$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> 
wrote:

> On 12-23-2013 21:40, gtr wrote:
> > After being a "data analyst" for a generation I got tired of hearing
> > "the data are" instead of the data is.  The data is a file full of
> > numbers so to me it's single.
> 
> The data are the numbers in the file.  And you just heard that from a 
> thirty-year software engineer.

These news are truly horrible.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#53761

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2013-12-24 08:01 -0800
Message-ID<2013122408012052691-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to#53738
On 2013-12-24 03:19:53 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

> On 12-23-2013 21:40, gtr wrote:
>> After being a "data analyst" for a generation I got tired of hearing
>> "the data are" instead of the data is.  The data is a file full of
>> numbers so to me it's single.
> 
> The data are the numbers in the file.

It is if I say it is in my work environment.  Other wise it's not.  
That's how words work, and it's words we're talking about, not data.

> And you just heard that from a thirty-year software engineer.

Oh--authority!  I know this guy on the internet and he's a *40-year* 
software engineer and he says you're wrong.

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#53671

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-12-22 15:10 -0800
Message-ID<20131222151043980-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#53645
On 2013-12-22 16:53:42 +0000, Davoud <star@sky.net> said:

> Király:
>> The one that really gets me is the usage of "it's" when it should be
>> "its". Even people who have completely flawless spelling and grammar in
>> the rest of their posts screw that up. It seems to be more common to use
>> the wrong word that the right word, on internet posts anyway. Its misuse
>> makes me stumble every time it's encountered.
> 
> These errors tend to be made by people who don't read.
> 
> advice advise
> apostrophes in plurals
> ice tea (iced)
>    whip cream (whipped)
>    mash potatoes (mashed)
>    suppose to / supposed to
>    use to / used to
> its it's
> loose lose
> then than
> there their
> your you're
> off of / from
> that, which

I always wondered when "such fun" and "so much fun" became melded into 
the awkward "so fun".

Then there is ignorance as to the correct usage of "I", "me", "we", "us", etc.
You can also add to the list, the creation of the past tense with 
improper use of "did", as in using "did have" (news readers are the 
worst offenders here) where there is a perfectly good past tense in 
"had". Then there is the superfluous use of "did" as in the extra word 
added to, "I did understand" instead of "I understood".

Now that I have completed that little rant, I would add that I 
graduated from high School in 1966.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#53673

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2013-12-22 18:23 -0500
Message-ID<l97s8s$s2s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53671
On 12/22/13, 6:10 PM, Savageduck wrote:

> I always wondered when "such fun" and "so much fun" became melded into
> the awkward "so fun".
>
In "so fun," "fun" is an adjective and "so" is an adverb.

> Then there is ignorance as to the correct usage of "I", "me", "we",
> "us", etc.
> You can also add to the list, the creation of the past tense with
> improper use of "did", as in using "did have" (news readers are the
> worst offenders here) where there is a perfectly good past tense in
> "had". Then there is the superfluous use of "did" as in the extra word
> added to, "I did understand" instead of "I understood".
>

As an auxiliary verb, "do" can be used to emphasize a verb.

Genesis 9:13 - "I do set my bow in the cloud..."

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#53674

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-12-22 15:29 -0800
Message-ID<2013122215291716714-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#53673
On 2013-12-22 23:23:05 +0000, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> said:

> On 12/22/13, 6:10 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> 
>> I always wondered when "such fun" and "so much fun" became melded into
>> the awkward "so fun".
>> 
> In "so fun," "fun" is an adjective and "so" is an adverb.

Having learned "such fun" and "so much fun" when I went to school, I 
always wince when I hear the awkward and clumsy "so fun".
> 
>> Then there is ignorance as to the correct usage of "I", "me", "we",
>> "us", etc.
>> You can also add to the list, the creation of the past tense with
>> improper use of "did", as in using "did have" (news readers are the
>> worst offenders here) where there is a perfectly good past tense in
>> "had". Then there is the superfluous use of "did" as in the extra word
>> added to, "I did understand" instead of "I understood".
>> 
> 
> As an auxiliary verb, "do" can be used to emphasize a verb.
> 
> Genesis 9:13 - "I do set my bow in the cloud..."

See, even the translators of the King James version were unnecessarily 
verbose asses.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#53686

FromWes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us>
Date2013-12-23 00:49 -0500
Message-ID<l98isl$sa7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53671
The one that I have the hardest time figuring out is ...

How in the world did “I said ‘___’” evolve into “I'm like ____” ?!?

Still looking for the "Missing Link"

-- 
Wes Groleau

   Is it an on-line compliment to call someone a Net Wit ?

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#53697

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2013-12-23 02:35 -0500
Message-ID<l98p3u$jqs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53686
On 12/23/13, 12:49 AM, Wes Groleau wrote:
>
> The one that I have the hardest time figuring out is ...
>
> How in the world did “I said ‘___’” evolve into “I'm like ____” ?!?
>
> Still looking for the "Missing Link"
>
Blame it on a 14-year-old pedant named Moon Unit.  She and her father, a 
distinguished social reformer, wrote and sang "Valley Girl" to lampoon 
the slang of her peers.  They found this language "grody to the max," 
which apparently came from the term "grotty" in the 1964 film "A Hard 
Day's Night," which term perhaps derived from the Middle English 
"groti," meaning "muddy, slimy."

Apparently her peers said, "I'm like" to recount their experiences with 
facial expressions as well as words.

They released the song as a 12" single on the Barking Pumpkin label. 
Instead of saying, "Gag me with a spoon," the public loved it.  It 
became his only top-40 hit, popularizing the very slang they were trying 
to "nip in the bud."

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#53644

FromMatthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net>
Date2013-12-22 10:32 -0600
Message-ID<lybanon-5C9553.10325522122013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>
In reply to#53606
In article <SalmonEgg-865C82.11210121122013@news80.forteinc.com>,
 Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I have observed, on this group and many others, that sentences are used 
> without a subject. After reading them a time or two, I realize that in 
> most situations but not all, merely adding "I " would correct the 
> grammar.

People are bombarded by bad grammar and other barbarisms constantly.  
When did "gift" become a verb?  And the people who produce television 
commercials don't know (or don't care) the difference between "every 
day" and "everyday" (and television shows are "all new").  But the most 
annoying (to me) example is "look-a-like."

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#53649

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2013-12-22 12:36 -0500
Message-ID<l977ue$sce$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53644
On 12/22/13, 11:32 AM, Matthew Lybanon wrote:

>
> People are bombarded by bad grammar and other barbarisms constantly.
> When did "gift" become a verb?

As a transitive verb whose object is the recipient, it dates to the 
late 16th Century.  As a transitive verb whose object is the gift, it 
dates to the early 17th Century.  Lawyers have used it as a verb ever since.

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#53653

FromPaul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net>
Date2013-12-22 11:40 -0800
Message-ID<Fu-dncxhH_ex3SrPnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#53644
Matthew Lybanon wrote:

> But the most annoying (to me) example is "look-a-like."

The most annoying to me is "alternate" for "alternative".  But (in US 
English anyway) it seems to be so common that soon it will become the 
more usual (if it isn't already) — as "miniscule" has overtaken 
"minuscule", according to the COD.

Paul Magnussen

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#53657

FromJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Date2013-12-22 16:06 -0500
Message-ID<l97k83$9g1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53653
On 12/22/13, 2:40 PM, Paul Magnussen wrote:
> Matthew Lybanon wrote:
>
>> But the most annoying (to me) example is "look-a-like."
>
> The most annoying to me is "alternate" for "alternative".  But (in US
> English anyway) it seems to be so common that soon it will become the
> more usual (if it isn't already) — as "miniscule" has overtaken
> "minuscule", according to the COD.
>
> Paul Magnussen

"Alternative" is inappropriate if there are more than two choices.  Why 
not use "other" for the adjective and "option" for the noun?

"Minuscula" was coined to describe lower-case script.  Why use 
"minuscule" as a 9-letter word for "tiny?"

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#53672

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-12-22 15:18 -0800
Message-ID<2013122215183073423-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#53657
On 2013-12-22 21:06:06 +0000, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> said:

> On 12/22/13, 2:40 PM, Paul Magnussen wrote:
>> Matthew Lybanon wrote:
>> 
>>> But the most annoying (to me) example is "look-a-like."
>> 
>> The most annoying to me is "alternate" for "alternative".  But (in US
>> English anyway) it seems to be so common that soon it will become the
>> more usual (if it isn't already) — as "miniscule" has overtaken
>> "minuscule", according to the COD.
>> 
>> Paul Magnussen
> 
> "Alternative" is inappropriate if there are more than two choices.  Why 
> not use "other" for the adjective and "option" for the noun?
> 
> "Minuscula" was coined to describe lower-case script.  Why use 
> "minuscule" as a 9-letter word for "tiny?"

You can add to those the general lack of understanding and use of 
"quantum leap" vs Paradigm shift, and the ever misunderstood and 
misused "decimate".

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#53677

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-12-22 23:41 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlbeu57.1t45.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#53672
In message <2013122215183073423-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> 
  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-12-22 21:06:06 +0000, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> said:

>> On 12/22/13, 2:40 PM, Paul Magnussen wrote:
>>> Matthew Lybanon wrote:
>>> 
>>>> But the most annoying (to me) example is "look-a-like."
>>> 
>>> The most annoying to me is "alternate" for "alternative".  But (in US
>>> English anyway) it seems to be so common that soon it will become the
>>> more usual (if it isn't already) — as "miniscule" has overtaken
>>> "minuscule", according to the COD.
>>> 
>>> Paul Magnussen
>> 
>> "Alternative" is inappropriate if there are more than two choices.  Why 
>> not use "other" for the adjective and "option" for the noun?
>> 
>> "Minuscula" was coined to describe lower-case script.  Why use 
>> "minuscule" as a 9-letter word for "tiny?"

> You can add to those the general lack of understanding and use of 
> "quantum leap" vs Paradigm shift, and the ever misunderstood and 
> misused "decimate".

Decimate is neither misunderstood nor misused. What it meant thousands
of years ago bears *no* relation to what it means in modern use, and
that is "kill or destroy a large portion". Anyone who claims it may only
be used to mean "kill exactly 1 in 10) is not only a pedantic boob, but
also completely incorrect.

-- 
Ille Qui Nos Omnes Servabit

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#53712

FromPaul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net>
Date2013-12-23 09:26 -0800
Message-ID<_OKdnea9rcnK7yXPnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#53677
Lewis wrote:
.
> Decimate is neither misunderstood nor misused. What it meant thousands
> of years ago bears *no* relation to what it means in modern use, and
> that is "kill or destroy a large portion". Anyone who claims it may only
> be used to mean "kill exactly 1 in 10) is not only a pedantic boob, but
> also completely incorrect.

Filthy descriptivist!

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#53717

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-12-23 18:47 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlbh19t.21pr.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#53712
In message <_OKdnea9rcnK7yXPnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@earthlink.com> 
  Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Lewis wrote:
> .
>> Decimate is neither misunderstood nor misused. What it meant thousands
>> of years ago bears *no* relation to what it means in modern use, and
>> that is "kill or destroy a large portion". Anyone who claims it may only
>> be used to mean "kill exactly 1 in 10) is not only a pedantic boob, but
>> also completely incorrect.

> Filthy descriptivist!

Damn straight!

-- 
There used to be such simple directions, back in the days before they
invented parallel universes - Up and Down, Right and Left, Backward and
Forward, Past and Future...  But normal directions don't work in the
multiverse, which has far too many dimensions for anyone to find their
way. So new ones have to be invented so that the way can be found. Like:
East of the Sun, West of the Moon Or: Behind the North Wind.  Or: At the
Back of Beyond.  Or: There and Back Again.  Or: Beyond the Fields We
Know. --Lords and Ladies

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#53739

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2013-12-23 23:39 -0500
Message-ID<231220132339596748%star@sky.net>
In reply to#53672
Savageduck:
> You can add to those the general lack of understanding and use of 
> "quantum leap" vs Paradigm shift...

One of my favorite error, in fact, possibly the largest error that can
be. A quantum leap is said to be a huge difference, a sea change. In
fact, the quantum is the smallest possible size, or quantity, in the
Universe. A quantum leap would be a "leap" of 1.62 X 10E-35 meters--the
Planck length, the smallest distance that can be.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#53744

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2013-12-24 00:46 -0500
Message-ID<barmar-B39A80.00463424122013@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#53739
In article <231220132339596748%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> Savageduck:
> > You can add to those the general lack of understanding and use of 
> > "quantum leap" vs Paradigm shift...
> 
> One of my favorite error, in fact, possibly the largest error that can
> be. A quantum leap is said to be a huge difference, a sea change. In
> fact, the quantum is the smallest possible size, or quantity, in the
> Universe. A quantum leap would be a "leap" of 1.62 X 10E-35 meters--the
> Planck length, the smallest distance that can be.

The term "quantum leap" when used outside physics is a metaphor for the 
fact that quantum changes are sudden and discontinous. While they're 
miniscule with respect to the macroscopic universe, they're quite abrupt 
in the sub-atomic realm.

In general, you can't expect metaphors to adopt all the nuances of the 
concept from which they're derived. They often pick just one salient 
feature of the original concept. In this case it's the abruptness.

From Wikipedia:

Although changes of quantum state occur on the submicroscopic level, in 
popular discourse, the term "quantum leap" refers to a large increase.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_electron_transition

Wiktionary:

1. (physics) The discontinuous change of the state of an electron in an 
atom or molecule from one energy level to another.
2. (metaphorical) An abrupt change.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quantum_leap

Merriam-Webster:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quantum%20leap

an abrupt change, sudden increase, or dramatic advance

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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