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  Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 15:16 -0700
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 18:42 -0400
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 16:43 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 12:50 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 20:04 -0400
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 05:53 -0500
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:14 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 15:17 -0400
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:09 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-11-04 15:15 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 15:26 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-05 09:12 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 09:28 +1300
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 20:56 +0000
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 16:25 -0400
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:10 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-03 17:50 -0500
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:11 -0800
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:11 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 15:17 -0400
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:08 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 20:28 -0400
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 21:49 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 01:14 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-04 06:46 -0800
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 13:11 -0500
                          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-05 09:09 -0800
                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 12:58 -0500
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-05 10:52 -0800
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-05 21:37 +0000
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 09:49 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 09:13 +1300
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 16:38 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 18:57 +1300
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-15 09:45 +0100
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 09:42 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-15 08:14 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-15 09:23 -0800
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-17 12:25 +0100
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 12:56 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:28 +1300
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-15 09:44 +0100
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:24 +1300
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-16 16:37 +1300
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-14 21:33 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:57 -0400
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 19:46 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-03 08:00 -0500
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:40 -0700
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 13:34 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 20:59 +0000
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 12:00 -0700
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 14:27 -0400
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 11:44 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 09:16 +1300
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 16:38 -0800
                          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 19:01 +1300
                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-15 07:10 -0800
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-15 08:19 -0800
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 12:59 -0500
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 11:40 +1300
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:36 +1300
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 23:35 -0500
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-15 22:31 -0700
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 01:23 -0500
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 08:27 +0100
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-16 08:32 -0700
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 18:54 +1300
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-16 08:34 -0700
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-20 17:33 +0100
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 11:41 +1300
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 13:14 +0100
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 14:18 +0000
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 12:40 -0500
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 23:29 +0100
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 12:17 +1300
                                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 20:15 -0500
                                          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2013-11-17 09:10 +0100
                                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-18 09:36 +1300
                                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-17 15:41 -0500
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 20:12 -0500
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 12:30 -0500
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-16 09:43 -0800
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-18 02:13 -0800
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-19 09:01 +1300
                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-15 09:24 -0700
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-14 13:59 -0800
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 11:37 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:00 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-03 17:40 -0500
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 16:24 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-06 16:52 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-07 13:31 +1300
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-07 06:02 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 18:24 +1300
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 21:49 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 19:15 +1300
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 11:59 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 13:43 -0700
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-04 03:00 -0800
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 20:02 -0400
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-04 02:57 -0800
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 13:11 -0500
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-04 10:24 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-05 02:24 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 09:59 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-05 08:59 -0700
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-05 20:01 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 20:29 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-06 07:45 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-06 02:20 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-06 07:56 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-05 08:39 -0800
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 12:58 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-05 20:02 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-06 16:38 +1300
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-05 21:55 +0100
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 17:04 -0500
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-06 09:29 +1300
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 11:47 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-15 06:57 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 13:01 -0500
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 13:25 +0100
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 09:47 -0800
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 09:09 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-14 14:06 -0800
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-02 16:56 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 17:34 -0700
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 11:59 -0800
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 12:04 +1300
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 16:46 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:57 -0400
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 17:35 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 13:03 +1300
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 21:52 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 18:03 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-02 22:06 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:09 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 15:26 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:07 -0800
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-04 00:41 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 21:47 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-04 06:30 -0700
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-04 06:38 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 18:26 +1300
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 12:28 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 13:44 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:09 -0800
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-03 12:20 +0100
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 16:53 -0700
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 17:41 -0700
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-02 19:49 -0500
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-03 14:22 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 18:34 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:15 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 12:30 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 18:29 +1300
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 19:48 -0700
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 02:00 +0100
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 18:13 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 07:59 +0100
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 00:05 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:39 -0700
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 07:51 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 08:26 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-04 17:14 +0100
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-04 09:11 -0800
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:20 +0000
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-03 12:16 +0100
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 00:22 -0400
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 21:56 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 13:38 -0500
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-03 17:51 -0500
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-03 12:14 +0100
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:08 -0800
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks glawrie <gavin.lawrie@2gc.co.uk> - 2013-11-07 15:02 +0000
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-07 09:24 -0600
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-07 09:06 -0800
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-07 08:27 -0800
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-10 16:45 +1300
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-11-08 09:48 -0800

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#51784

In article <2013110312110043443-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> > Personally I've never seen a reason use Spotlight, but some people
> > (including some of the MacFormat magazine staff) love it and use it to
> > do everything - find document, launch applications, etc.
> 
> As do I--particularly when I only have a shard in mind of the file name.

spotlight won't always find things when searching on partial file names.

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#51809

On 2013-11-03 19:17:51 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <2013110312110043443-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>>> Personally I've never seen a reason use Spotlight, but some people
>>> (including some of the MacFormat magazine staff) love it and use it to
>>> do everything - find document, launch applications, etc.
>> 
>> As do I--particularly when I only have a shard in mind of the file name.
> 
> spotlight won't always find things when searching on partial file names.

What will it not find?

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#51817

In article <201311031708113345-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> >>> Personally I've never seen a reason use Spotlight, but some people
> >>> (including some of the MacFormat magazine staff) love it and use it to
> >>> do everything - find document, launch applications, etc.
> >> 
> >> As do I--particularly when I only have a shard in mind of the file name.
> > 
> > spotlight won't always find things when searching on partial file names.
> 
> What will it not find?

exactly as i wrote, partial name searches will fail. 

it also does not index every folder, and if the file you want is in one
of those folders, well that's just too bad.

another problem is there is no consistency check of the index and if it
is corrupted (which happens on occasion, nothing is perfect), you'll
never know, other than searches return no results. there is no error.

that means there's no way to know if it didn't find something because
it really isn't there or if it was because of a spotlight problem. you
can't ever be sure.

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#51828

On 2013-11-04 00:28:00 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <201311031708113345-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>>>>> Personally I've never seen a reason use Spotlight, but some people
>>>>> (including some of the MacFormat magazine staff) love it and use it to
>>>>> do everything - find document, launch applications, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> As do I--particularly when I only have a shard in mind of the file name.
>>> 
>>> spotlight won't always find things when searching on partial file names.
>> 
>> What will it not find?
> 
> exactly as i wrote, partial name searches will fail.

That's half the things I feed  it so I'm unconvinced.

> another problem is there is no consistency check of the index and if it
> is corrupted (which happens on occasion, nothing is perfect), you'll
> never know, other than searches return no results. there is no error.
> 
> that means there's no way to know if it didn't find something because
> it really isn't there or if it was because of a spotlight problem. you
> can't ever be sure.

You've proved to me that there is a possibility it won't find what I'm 
looking for. But my real world experience is that it DOES find what I'm 
looking for.  Maybe the level of obscurity in our searches is 
dramatically different.

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#51831

In article <2013110321490442307-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> >>>>> Personally I've never seen a reason use Spotlight, but some people
> >>>>> (including some of the MacFormat magazine staff) love it and use it to
> >>>>> do everything - find document, launch applications, etc.
> >>>> 
> >>>> As do I--particularly when I only have a shard in mind of the file name.
> >>> 
> >>> spotlight won't always find things when searching on partial file names.
> >> 
> >> What will it not find?
> > 
> > exactly as i wrote, partial name searches will fail.
> 
> That's half the things I feed  it so I'm unconvinced.

i'm assuming you started with the first letter and did not complete the
full name. that will work. if you start anywhere after the first
letter, it will fail.

for example, if the file name is 'mavericks' and you search for 'mav'
it will work, but if you search for 'ricks' it will fail. even if you
search for 'avericks', it will fail.

if the file name has camelcase, it may work if the search term begins
at the start of one of the sub-words, as it does when the name is
separated by spaces.

this has been broken since spotlight first appeared and it still is on
mountain lion (just confirmed it), so i expect it to still be broken on
mavericks. 

one scenario where this is a problem is if you have a number of files
with a common ending, such as biology, physiology, hematology,
pathology, etc., and you want all of them, so you search on 'ology' and
you get nothing.

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#51836

On 2013-11-04 06:14:23 +0000, nospam said:

>>> exactly as i wrote, partial name searches will fail.
>> 
>> That's half the things I feed  it so I'm unconvinced.
> 
> i'm assuming you started with the first letter and did not complete the
> full name. that will work. if you start anywhere after the first
> letter, it will fail.

Not in my world.  I frequently search for song titles (I have a 100k 
mp3's) and can look for "very young" and find "For the Very Young" or 
"of my mind" and find "Stoned Out of My Mind", "Windmills of my mind", 
"My Heart Has a Mind of It's Own", "I Can't Get Mississippi Off of my 
Mind" and so forth.

I do note if I type "indmills", it won't pull up "windmills", nor does 
"ery young" pulle up "very Young", so you have a point.  But apparently 
I don't think to search for partial words".  Lucky me.

> if the file name has camelcase, it may work if the search term begins
> at the start of one of the sub-words, as it does when the name is
> separated by spaces.
> 
> this has been broken since spotlight first appeared and it still is on
> mountain lion (just confirmed it), so i expect it to still be broken on
> mavericks.
> 
> one scenario where this is a problem is if you have a number of files
> with a common ending, such as biology, physiology, hematology,
> pathology, etc., and you want all of them, so you search on 'ology' and
> you get nothing.

I see.

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#51845

In article <2013110406461064933-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2013-11-04 06:14:23 +0000, nospam said:
> 
> >>> exactly as i wrote, partial name searches will fail.
> >> 
> >> That's half the things I feed  it so I'm unconvinced.
> > 
> > i'm assuming you started with the first letter and did not complete the
> > full name. that will work. if you start anywhere after the first
> > letter, it will fail.
> 
> Not in my world.  I frequently search for song titles (I have a 100k 
> mp3's) and can look for "very young" and find "For the Very Young" or 
> "of my mind" and find "Stoned Out of My Mind", "Windmills of my mind", 
> "My Heart Has a Mind of It's Own", "I Can't Get Mississippi Off of my 
> Mind" and so forth.

that's because those are full words, not partials.

also, why are you using finder to manage music? itunes does a much
better job.

> I do note if I type "indmills", it won't pull up "windmills", nor does 
> "ery young" pulle up "very Young", so you have a point.  But apparently 
> I don't think to search for partial words".  Lucky me.

lucky you. 

it's broken. they are requiring a search term to *must* be the
beginning of a word. 

that's a very strange definition of partial.

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#51883

On 2013-11-04 18:11:57 +0000, nospam said:

> it's broken. they are requiring a search term to *must* be the
> beginning of a word.
> 
> that's a very strange definition of partial.

It is. How long has it been broken?

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#51888

In article <2013110509094166135-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> > it's broken. they are requiring a search term to *must* be the
> > beginning of a word.
> > 
> > that's a very strange definition of partial.
> 
> It is. How long has it been broken?

since spotlight was first introduced, about a decade ago.

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#51895

On 2013-11-05 17:58:54 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <2013110509094166135-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>>> it's broken. they are requiring a search term to *must* be the
>>> beginning of a word.
>>> 
>>> that's a very strange definition of partial.
>> 
>> It is. How long has it been broken?
> 
> since spotlight was first introduced, about a decade ago.

Man did I get off easy!

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#51902

On 2013-11-05, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2013-11-05 17:58:54 +0000, nospam said:
>
>> In article <2013110509094166135-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> 
>>>> it's broken. they are requiring a search term to *must* be the
>>>> beginning of a word.
>>>> 
>>>> that's a very strange definition of partial.
>>> 
>>> It is. How long has it been broken?
>> 
>> since spotlight was first introduced, about a decade ago.
>
> Man did I get off easy!

That's what she said.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#52237

On 2013-11-02 23:50:11 +0000, Your Name said:

> Personally I've never seen a reason use Spotlight, but some people
> (including some of the MacFormat magazine staff) love it and use it to
> do everything - find document, launch applications, etc.

I use it to launch apps constantly.  I rarely use it to find a 
document, at least not via the spotlight from the main menu bar.  I do 
use the search in the Finder windows all the time, since that makes it 
much easier to switch to a search by filename rather than by file 
contents.  And, yes, that's still Spotlight.

What I actually use the little menu bar magnifying glass search for 
most often, or perhaps second only to launching apps, is for 
calculations.  Just start entering numbers and operations and it's the 
easy to use always there handy dandy desktop calculator.  (It would be 
nice if there was a key to hit to copy the result of a calculation 
right to the clipboard, though. Is there one that I haven't noticed?)

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#52246

In article <l632fu$ctr$1@reader1.panix.com>, Bread
<BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:
> On 2013-11-02 23:50:11 +0000, Your Name said:
> 
> > Personally I've never seen a reason use Spotlight, but some people
> > (including some of the MacFormat magazine staff) love it and use it to
> > do everything - find document, launch applications, etc.
> 
> I use it to launch apps constantly.  I rarely use it to find a 
> document, at least not via the spotlight from the main menu bar.  I do 
> use the search in the Finder windows all the time, since that makes it 
> much easier to switch to a search by filename rather than by file 
> contents.  And, yes, that's still Spotlight.
> 
> What I actually use the little menu bar magnifying glass search for 
> most often, or perhaps second only to launching apps, is for 
> calculations.  Just start entering numbers and operations and it's the 
> easy to use always there handy dandy desktop calculator.  (It would be 
> nice if there was a key to hit to copy the result of a calculation 
> right to the clipboard, though. Is there one that I haven't noticed?)

I've never seen a point in using Spotlight (nor Google) for calucations
either - that's what the Calculator application is for and that does
let you copy results from it, and paste numbers into it. If it still
exists in Lion, etc., then putting the Calculator in the Dock means
it's always handy (as is the numeric keypad if you do lots of number
crunching) - you could even define a keyboard shortcut to run it.

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#52255

On 2013-11-14 20:13:56 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <l632fu$ctr$1@reader1.panix.com>, Bread
> <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:
>> 
>> What I actually use the little menu bar magnifying glass search for
>> most often, or perhaps second only to launching apps, is for
>> calculations.  Just start entering numbers and operations and it's the
>> easy to use always there handy dandy desktop calculator.
> 
> I've never seen a point in using Spotlight (nor Google) for calucations
> either - that's what the Calculator application is for and that does

Google can actually do some more sophisticated computations (i.e., it'll
do unit conversions and all sorts of other things).

But the main thing for me using Spotlight for it is that it's just
there - all the time - no window to open, no anything else to get in
the way.  It's just there.

If I'm doing a lot of computations, I'll either open up the calculator
(the "tape" is especially nice) or pull up a spreadsheet.

Using google for routine calculations makes no sense to me since it
means opening up my web browser and pointing a page at it - that's
certainly no faster or easier than the alternatives unless I happen
to already be doing a search in Google.

> let you copy results from it, and paste numbers into it. If it still
> exists in Lion, etc., then putting the Calculator in the Dock means
> it's always handy (as is the numeric keypad if you do lots of number
> crunching) - you could even define a keyboard shortcut to run it.

A keyboard shortcut for it might be helpful.  But there's no substitute
for it just being *there* and for no window or app to have to start.

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#52269

In article <l63qda$sqo$1@reader1.panix.com>, Bread
<BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:
> On 2013-11-14 20:13:56 +0000, Your Name said:
> > In article <l632fu$ctr$1@reader1.panix.com>, Bread
> > <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> What I actually use the little menu bar magnifying glass search for
> >> most often, or perhaps second only to launching apps, is for
> >> calculations.  Just start entering numbers and operations and it's the
> >> easy to use always there handy dandy desktop calculator.
> > 
> > I've never seen a point in using Spotlight (nor Google) for calucations
> > either - that's what the Calculator application is for and that does
> 
> Google can actually do some more sophisticated computations (i.e., it'll
> do unit conversions and all sorts of other things).

The Calculator application in Mac OS X does conversions too (at least
the version of Calculator in my Mac OS X 10.2.8 does) - measurements,
temperatures, currency, etc.




> But the main thing for me using Spotlight for it is that it's just
> there - all the time - no window to open, no anything else to get in
> the way.  It's just there.

Set Calculator to open on startup and that will "always be there" too
by clicking on it's Dock icon (instead of the Spotlight box).   :-)




> > let you copy results from it, and paste numbers into it. If it still
> > exists in Lion, etc., then putting the Calculator in the Dock means
> > it's always handy (as is the numeric keypad if you do lots of number
> > crunching) - you could even define a keyboard shortcut to run it.
> 
> A keyboard shortcut for it might be helpful.  But there's no substitute
> for it just being *there* and for no window or app to have to start.

There's always the silly Dashboard, that almost nobody uses, which has
(had?) a Calculator widget too.  :-)

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#52276

Your Name wrote:

> The Calculator application in Mac OS X does conversions too (at least
> the version of Calculator in my Mac OS X 10.2.8 does) - measurements,
> temperatures, currency, etc.

The last time I looked it thought a pint was a US pint, which isn't the
same as an Imperial pint...

-- 
Paul Sture

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#52281

On 11-15-2013, 00:57, Your Name wrote:
> In article <l63qda$sqo$1@reader1.panix.com>, Bread
>> A keyboard shortcut for it might be helpful.  But there's no substitute
>> for it just being *there* and for no window or app to have to start.

Seems to me that clicking a Dock icon to open a calculator window is not 
much different than clicking a magnifier icon to open the even bigger 
Spotlight window.

> There's always the silly Dashboard, that almost nobody uses, which has
> (had?) a Calculator widget too.  :-)

I definitely don't use Dashboard, and either I turned it off and don't 
remember, or Apple has discontinued it.  In response to this thread, I 
wanted to look at it and couldn't find it.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    “Missing a train is only painful if you run after it!”
                                  — Nassim Nicholas Taleb

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#52286

On 2013-11-15 14:42:48 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

> On 11-15-2013, 00:57, Your Name wrote:
>> In article <l63qda$sqo$1@reader1.panix.com>, Bread
>>> A keyboard shortcut for it might be helpful.  But there's no substitute
>>> for it just being *there* and for no window or app to have to start.
> 
> Seems to me that clicking a Dock icon to open a calculator window is 
> not much different than clicking a magnifier icon to open the even 
> bigger Spotlight window.

The magnifier icon is very much faster, even on a modern quad-core i7.  
And there's no window involved at all.  (And mind you, when I say "the 
magnifier icon" I mean hit cmd-space and immediately type numbers).  No 
changing of windows, focus, nothing. Just cmd-space and type.

> 
>> There's always the silly Dashboard, that almost nobody uses, which has
>> (had?) a Calculator widget too.  :-)
> 
> I definitely don't use Dashboard, and either I turned it off and don't 
> remember, or Apple has discontinued it.  In response to this thread, I 
> wanted to look at it and couldn't find it.

Ugh.  Removing Dashboard from my Dock is perhaps the very first thing I 
do when setting up a new account.  (Second is probably removing 
LaunchBar, but Dashboard's been wasting space on docks for a lot 
longer).

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#52289

On 2013-11-15 16:14:00 +0000, Bread said:

> On 2013-11-15 14:42:48 +0000, Wes Groleau said:
> 
>> On 11-15-2013, 00:57, Your Name wrote:
>>> There's always the silly Dashboard, that almost nobody uses, which has
>>> (had?) a Calculator widget too.  :-)

I use the silly Dashboard frequently, to check time (elsewhere in the 
world), a quick word or phrase translate into 4-5 other languages, 
check the shifts in value between euro/dollar/yen, see the weather 
radar--and occasionally do a quick calc.

>> I definitely don't use Dashboard, and either I turned it off and don't 
>> remember, or Apple has discontinued it.  In response to this thread, I 
>> wanted to look at it and couldn't find it.
> 
> Ugh.  Removing Dashboard from my Dock is perhaps the very first thing I 
> do when setting up a new account.  (Second is probably removing 
> LaunchBar, but Dashboard's been wasting space on docks for a lot 
> longer).

I use a hotkey for the dashboard.  I use a hot key for damned near 
everything, either native if available, or via one of jillions of 
quickey macros set up for the purpose.

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#52394

gtr wrote:

> On 2013-11-15 16:14:00 +0000, Bread said:
>
>> On 2013-11-15 14:42:48 +0000, Wes Groleau said:
>> 
>>> On 11-15-2013, 00:57, Your Name wrote:
>>>> There's always the silly Dashboard, that almost nobody uses, which has
>>>> (had?) a Calculator widget too.  :-)
>
> I use the silly Dashboard frequently, to check time (elsewhere in the 
> world), a quick word or phrase translate into 4-5 other languages, 
> check the shifts in value between euro/dollar/yen, see the weather 
> radar--and occasionally do a quick calc.

That's more or less my use of Dashboard too, except I keep it in the
Dock.  I have 4 clocks set up for different timezones and they really
come into their own around the twice yearly clock change - although I
can remember time zone differences I don't have to remember which
timezones change clocks on which dates.

The Units conversion widget is another one I find handy.

For currency rates I have been using xe.com for years.  This site allows
you to do your own custom web pages with their information embedded,
which minimises the amount of clicking you have to do.

-- 
Paul Sture

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