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Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks

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First post2013-11-02 15:16 -0700
Last post2013-11-08 09:48 -0800
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  Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 15:16 -0700
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 18:42 -0400
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 16:43 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 12:50 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 20:04 -0400
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 05:53 -0500
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:14 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 15:17 -0400
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:09 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-11-04 15:15 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 15:26 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-05 09:12 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 09:28 +1300
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 20:56 +0000
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 16:25 -0400
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:10 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-03 17:50 -0500
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:11 -0800
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:11 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 15:17 -0400
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:08 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 20:28 -0400
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 21:49 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 01:14 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-04 06:46 -0800
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 13:11 -0500
                          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-05 09:09 -0800
                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 12:58 -0500
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-05 10:52 -0800
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-05 21:37 +0000
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 09:49 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 09:13 +1300
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 16:38 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 18:57 +1300
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-15 09:45 +0100
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 09:42 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-15 08:14 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-15 09:23 -0800
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-17 12:25 +0100
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 12:56 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:28 +1300
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-15 09:44 +0100
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:24 +1300
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-16 16:37 +1300
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-14 21:33 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:57 -0400
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 19:46 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-03 08:00 -0500
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:40 -0700
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 13:34 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 20:59 +0000
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 12:00 -0700
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 14:27 -0400
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 11:44 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 09:16 +1300
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 16:38 -0800
                          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 19:01 +1300
                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-15 07:10 -0800
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-15 08:19 -0800
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 12:59 -0500
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 11:40 +1300
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:36 +1300
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 23:35 -0500
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-15 22:31 -0700
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 01:23 -0500
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 08:27 +0100
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-16 08:32 -0700
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 18:54 +1300
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-16 08:34 -0700
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-20 17:33 +0100
                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 11:41 +1300
                                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 13:14 +0100
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 14:18 +0000
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 12:40 -0500
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 23:29 +0100
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 12:17 +1300
                                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 20:15 -0500
                                          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2013-11-17 09:10 +0100
                                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-18 09:36 +1300
                                              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-17 15:41 -0500
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 20:12 -0500
                                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-16 12:30 -0500
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-16 09:43 -0800
                                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-18 02:13 -0800
                                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-19 09:01 +1300
                            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-15 09:24 -0700
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-14 13:59 -0800
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 11:37 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:00 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-03 17:40 -0500
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 16:24 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-06 16:52 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-07 13:31 +1300
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-07 06:02 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 18:24 +1300
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 21:49 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 19:15 +1300
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 11:59 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 13:43 -0700
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-04 03:00 -0800
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 20:02 -0400
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-04 02:57 -0800
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-04 13:11 -0500
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-04 10:24 -0800
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-05 02:24 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 09:59 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-05 08:59 -0700
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-05 20:01 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 20:29 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-06 07:45 -0800
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-06 02:20 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-06 07:56 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-05 08:39 -0800
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 12:58 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-05 20:02 -0500
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-06 16:38 +1300
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-05 21:55 +0100
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-05 17:04 -0500
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-06 09:29 +1300
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 11:47 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-15 06:57 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-15 13:01 -0500
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 13:25 +0100
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-11-14 09:47 -0800
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 09:09 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-14 14:06 -0800
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-02 16:56 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 17:34 -0700
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 11:59 -0800
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 12:04 +1300
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 16:46 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:57 -0400
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 17:35 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 13:03 +1300
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 21:52 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-03 18:03 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-02 22:06 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:09 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 15:26 -0500
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 17:07 -0800
                  Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-04 00:41 -0500
                    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 21:47 -0800
                      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-04 06:30 -0700
                        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-04 06:38 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 18:26 +1300
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 12:28 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 13:44 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:09 -0800
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-03 12:20 +0100
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 16:53 -0700
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 17:41 -0700
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-02 19:49 -0500
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-03 14:22 +1300
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 18:34 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:15 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 12:30 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-04 18:29 +1300
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 19:48 -0700
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 02:00 +0100
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 18:13 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 07:59 +0100
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 00:05 -0700
            Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:39 -0700
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 07:51 -0800
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 08:26 -0800
              Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-04 17:14 +0100
                Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-04 09:11 -0800
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:20 +0000
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-03 12:16 +0100
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 00:22 -0400
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-02 21:56 -0700
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-11-03 13:38 -0500
          Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-03 17:51 -0500
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-03 12:14 +0100
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-03 12:08 -0800
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks glawrie <gavin.lawrie@2gc.co.uk> - 2013-11-07 15:02 +0000
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-07 09:24 -0600
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-07 09:06 -0800
      Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-07 08:27 -0800
        Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-10 16:45 +1300
    Re: Spotlight & Other Changes in Mavericks Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-11-08 09:48 -0800

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#51899

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-11-06 09:29 +1300
Message-ID<061120130929554212%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#51874
In article <bb898e41-bbda-46bf-b115-11c126d47f0a@googlegroups.com>,
<rcp27g@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 4 November 2013 19:11:55 UTC+1, nospam  wrote:
> > In article <bd62261a-f728-4e23-83cc-25e138ed3b59@googlegroups.com>,
> > <rcp27g@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > The functionality of "Duplicate" (save the open file to a new location
> > > with
> > > a new file name) is the same as the functionality of "Save As" in the old
> > > days.
> > 
> > it's not the same at all.
> > 
> > one you do before you know you want to save a different version (which
> > might not happen, depending on what you end up doing) and the other is
> > done if you did make changes and need to save it.
> 
> But that difference is nothing to do with Duplicate or Save As.  That is to
> do with autosave and versionning.  In any situation where you open a file and
> make some changes but decide you don't want them, Autosave will have saved
> them and you have to roll the file back to the un-changed version.  Whether
> there is a "Save As..." in there or not, this is the case.

In some applications Save As also forces the application to re-create
the document file, which gets rid of accumluated garbage no longer
needed. "Duplicate" apparently doesn't do that.

For example, working on a InDesign file and using Save can create quite
large files if you are doing things like importing images and then
later deciding you don't want them. Performing a "Save As" removes the
no longer needed image data / links and the fileszie shrinks.

The same used to hapen with PageMaker. It can also happen with
Microsoft Office documents.

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#52243

FromBread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>
Date2013-11-14 11:47 -0800
Message-ID<l639bl$5fs$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#51844
On 2013-11-04 18:11:55 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <bd62261a-f728-4e23-83cc-25e138ed3b59@googlegroups.com>,
> <rcp27g@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> The functionality of "Duplicate" (save the open file to a new location with a
>> new file name) is the same as the functionality of "Save As" in the old days.
> 
> it's not the same at all.

Duplicate followed by Revert (on the original).  Two steps (including, 
in my opinion,
the highly annoying "revert") - gets you what we all got used to as one 
single sensible step.

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#52282

Fromrcp27g@gmail.com
Date2013-11-15 06:57 -0800
Message-ID<bbd8e7a2-d7a6-4703-94f4-a141114d7557@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#52243
On Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:47:01 UTC+1, Bread  wrote:
> On 2013-11-04 18:11:55 +0000, nospam said:
> > In article <bd62261a-f728-4e23-83cc-25e138ed3b59@googlegroups.com>,
> > <rcp27g@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The functionality of "Duplicate" (save the open file to a new location with a
> >> new file name) is the same as the functionality of "Save As" in the old days.
> > 
> > it's not the same at all.
> 
> Duplicate followed by Revert (on the original).  Two steps (including, 
> in my opinion,
> the highly annoying "revert") - gets you what we all got used to as one 
> single sensible step.

File, hold down "option" to get "Save As...".  In the dialog box is a "do not keep modification in original file" tick box.  Select that and you have "save as" functionality that is identical to the way it was in 10.6 and earlier.

Robin

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#52296

FromWes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org>
Date2013-11-15 13:01 -0500
Message-ID<l65nik$jr2$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#52282
On 11-15-2013, 09:57, rcp27g@gmail.com wrote:
> File, hold down "option" to get "Save As...".  In the dialog box is a "do not keep modification in original file" tick box.  Select that and you have "save as" functionality that is identical to the way it was in 10.6 and earlier.

Two steps instead of one is not identical.

Forgetting the second results in the same screw-up
we were complaining about.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    What kind of smiley is C:\   ?

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#52344

Frombob <rcp27g@gmail.com>
Date2013-11-16 13:25 +0100
Message-ID<l67o8a$dvc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#52296
On 2013-11-15 18:01:56 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

> On 11-15-2013, 09:57, rcp27g@gmail.com wrote:
>> File, hold down "option" to get "Save As...".  In the dialog box is a 
>> "do not keep modification in original file" tick box.  Select that and 
>> you have "save as" functionality that is identical to the way it was in 
>> 10.6 and earlier.
> 
> Two steps instead of one is not identical.
> 
> Forgetting the second results in the same screw-up
> we were complaining about.

Moving goalposts.  From a previous post of yours, you stated,

"What Apple should have done with autosave is admit they screwed up, 
but since some people like it, make it a user-selectable option."

The above is a description of the user-selectable option that Apple has 
provided.  It seems to me that your preference is actually,

"What Apple should have done is not made any changes since 10.6, but 
since some people like it, make it a user-selectable option."

As you can still buy 10.6 and it is still supported, that option exists.

Robin

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#52236

FromBread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>
Date2013-11-14 09:47 -0800
Message-ID<l632b9$5v$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#51667
On 2013-11-02 23:43:22 +0000, Savageduck said:

> On 2013-11-02 22:42:32 +0000, Alan Browne 
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
> 
>> On 2013.11.02, 18:16 , Savageduck wrote:
> 
>>> 3.    What ever happened to "Save as" in Preview? What were they thinking?

It went away in Lion (10.7).  It came back (via a cmd-key) in Mountain 
Lion (10.8) and it's still there in the same place in Mavericks (10.9).
>> 
>> I still have it (in the File menu).

We all do.  Hold down the Option key when you pull down the File menu 
and Duplicate is replaced with Save As...

> I don't. It has vanished, blown away by the Cupertino "cyber winds".
> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_351.jpg >
> 
>> There's no toolbar button (was there before?).
> 
> Nope, I always accessed the "Save As " in Preview from the File menu or 
> keyboard short cut.
> In 10.9 the former keyboard shortcut for "Save As" (Shift-cmnd-S) is 
> now assigned to "Duplicate".

And it's still there, only now it's option-shift-cmd-S.  And if you 
hold the Option button down when you look at the menu, you'll see it, 
including the keyboard shortcut.

I think Apple was just being a little annoying to not leave it there in 
the menu all the time.  Having to remember additional far-from-obvious 
modifiers like Option when pulling down a *menu* is goofy.  It's a menu 
and it's *supposed* to list a lot of options.  Or, perhaps, for those 
of us who never use Duplicate, even better would be a system-wide Pref 
setting which leaves Save As... in all those menus in place of the 
Duplicate command.  But so be it.  Apple's not infallible.  But they 
certainy responded to the outrage over 10.7's entire lack of Save As.

Perhaps it's a more secure workflow to copy a file, rename it, *then* 
modify the new copy.
But I have, for years, been just opening a file, modifying it, then 
hitting Save As...

What I wish they'd bring back, which they had in 10.7 but did away 
with, was Auto-Lock.  If I haven't modified a file in, say, a week or 
two, I *want* it locked.  If I make edits, I want to make damned sure I 
make those edits on a new copy with a new file name, for lack of a true 
revision management system.  (And, no, Revisions is cute and helpful, 
but it's certainly not a revision management system, not least because 
the repository is tied to the root of your filesystem and not the file, 
so it's not synced across systems or even copied when you copy the 
file.)

> As I have said, nothing insurmountable, and nothing I cannot tolerate, 
> but I am irritated a tad, and I am mostly pleased with OSX 10.9.

Strongly agreed.  Possibly the most painless upgrade ever, and with 
subtle but actual improvements in speed, especially in my older 
machines.

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#52245

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-11-15 09:09 +1300
Message-ID<151120130909346575%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#52236
In article <l632b9$5v$1@reader1.panix.com>, Bread
<BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> On 2013-11-02 23:43:22 +0000, Savageduck said:
> 
> > On 2013-11-02 22:42:32 +0000, Alan Browne 
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
> > 
> >> On 2013.11.02, 18:16 , Savageduck wrote:
> > 
> >>> 3.    What ever happened to "Save as" in Preview? What were they thinking?
> 
> It went away in Lion (10.7).  It came back (via a cmd-key) in Mountain 
> Lion (10.8) and it's still there in the same place in Mavericks (10.9).
> >> 
> >> I still have it (in the File menu).
> 
> We all do.  Hold down the Option key when you pull down the File menu 
> and Duplicate is replaced with Save As...
> 
> > I don't. It has vanished, blown away by the Cupertino "cyber winds".
> > < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_351.jpg >
> > 
> >> There's no toolbar button (was there before?).
> > 
> > Nope, I always accessed the "Save As " in Preview from the File menu or 
> > keyboard short cut.
> > In 10.9 the former keyboard shortcut for "Save As" (Shift-cmnd-S) is 
> > now assigned to "Duplicate".
> 
> And it's still there, only now it's option-shift-cmd-S.  And if you 
> hold the Option button down when you look at the menu, you'll see it, 
> including the keyboard shortcut.
> 
> I think Apple was just being a little annoying to not leave it there in 
> the menu all the time.  Having to remember additional far-from-obvious 
> modifiers like Option when pulling down a *menu* is goofy.  It's a menu 
> and it's *supposed* to list a lot of options.  
<snip>

I'm not saying it's the best / correct way to do it, but holding down
the Option key has optionally given different options ;-) in many menus
for a long time. It's not new to Save As nor to Apple's software.

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#52251

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-11-14 14:06 -0800
Message-ID<2013111414060151257-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#52236
On 2013-11-14 17:47:21 +0000, Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> said:

> On 2013-11-02 23:43:22 +0000, Savageduck said:
> 
>> On 2013-11-02 22:42:32 +0000, Alan Browne 
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
>> 
>>> On 2013.11.02, 18:16 , Savageduck wrote:
>> 
>>>> 3.    What ever happened to "Save as" in Preview? What were they thinking?
> 
> It went away in Lion (10.7).  It came back (via a cmd-key) in Mountain 
> Lion (10.8) and it's still there in the same place in Mavericks (10.9).
>>> 
>>> I still have it (in the File menu).
> 
> We all do.  Hold down the Option key when you pull down the File menu 
> and Duplicate is replaced with Save As...
> 
>> I don't. It has vanished, blown away by the Cupertino "cyber winds".
>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_351.jpg >
>> 
>>> There's no toolbar button (was there before?).
>> 
>> Nope, I always accessed the "Save As " in Preview from the File menu or 
>> keyboard short cut.
>> In 10.9 the former keyboard shortcut for "Save As" (Shift-cmnd-S) is 
>> now assigned to "Duplicate".
> 
> And it's still there, only now it's option-shift-cmd-S.  And if you 
> hold the Option button down when you look at the menu, you'll see it, 
> including the keyboard shortcut.
> 
> I think Apple was just being a little annoying to not leave it there in 
> the menu all the time.  Having to remember additional far-from-obvious 
> modifiers like Option when pulling down a *menu* is goofy.  It's a menu 
> and it's *supposed* to list a lot of options.  Or, perhaps, for those 
> of us who never use Duplicate, even better would be a system-wide Pref 
> setting which leaves Save As... in all those menus in place of the 
> Duplicate command.  But so be it.  Apple's not infallible.  But they 
> certainy responded to the outrage over 10.7's entire lack of Save As.
> 
> Perhaps it's a more secure workflow to copy a file, rename it, *then* 
> modify the new copy.
> But I have, for years, been just opening a file, modifying it, then 
> hitting Save As...

...and that has been my standard workflow for years, which is why I was 
surprised with the change when I updated from OSX 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 
without the intermediate steps of 10.7 & 10.8.

> What I wish they'd bring back, which they had in 10.7 but did away 
> with, was Auto-Lock.  If I haven't modified a file in, say, a week or 
> two, I *want* it locked.  If I make edits, I want to make damned sure I 
> make those edits on a new copy with a new file name, for lack of a true 
> revision management system.  (And, no, Revisions is cute and helpful, 
> but it's certainly not a revision management system, not least because 
> the repository is tied to the root of your filesystem and not the file, 
> so it's not synced across systems or even copied when you copy the 
> file.)
> 
>> As I have said, nothing insurmountable, and nothing I cannot tolerate, 
>> but I am irritated a tad, and I am mostly pleased with OSX 10.9.
> 
> Strongly agreed.  Possibly the most painless upgrade ever, and with 
> subtle but actual improvements in speed, especially in my older 
> machines.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#51671

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2013-11-02 16:56 -0700
Message-ID<2013110216564690539-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to#51654
On 2013-11-02 22:42:32 +0000, Alan Browne said:

[ Edited for clarity. ]

> On 2013.11.02, 18:16 , Savageduck wrote:
>> 
>> 1.    With "Spotlight" in 10.6.8, if I hovered the cursor over any file
>> in the result list I was able to see/read path information to that file.
>> Now with "Spotlight" in 10.9 it has no trouble locating files and
>> providing a similar result list, but the once useful path information is
>> now a thing of the past. We have been given the very pretty, fat
>> thumbnails, which is are useless when it comes to providing location
>> information.
> 
> The path is at the bottom of the finder window, and you can "right" 
> click to "open enclosing folder" (or "view in finder", whatever).

But if I am in "Spotlight" I am not in a finder window. Going back to 
SG's question, when I am in Spotlight, if I hover over a file it will 
show me that thumnail. (Incidentally if the thumnail is an audio or 
(some) video files, if you move your cursor over the image you can play 
it right there). If I hold the Apple/Command key down while I am 
hovering,  the thumbnail will give me the full name of the file. Of 
course this isn't the path.

I mentioned this to another and they were unfamiliar so I mention it 
here: While you hover, if you hit Cmd-r it will take you to that file 
in its home folder, where you can see (as Alan indicates above) the 
full path at the bottom of the display.

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#51679

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-11-02 17:34 -0700
Message-ID<2013110217341968222-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#51671
On 2013-11-02 23:56:46 +0000, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:

> On 2013-11-02 22:42:32 +0000, Alan Browne said:
> 
> [ Edited for clarity. ]
> 
>> On 2013.11.02, 18:16 , Savageduck wrote:
>>> 
>>> 1.    With "Spotlight" in 10.6.8, if I hovered the cursor over any file
>>> in the result list I was able to see/read path information to that file.
>>> Now with "Spotlight" in 10.9 it has no trouble locating files and
>>> providing a similar result list, but the once useful path information is
>>> now a thing of the past. We have been given the very pretty, fat
>>> thumbnails, which is are useless when it comes to providing location
>>> information.
>> 
>> The path is at the bottom of the finder window, and you can "right" 
>> click to "open enclosing folder" (or "view in finder", whatever).
> 
> But if I am in "Spotlight" I am not in a finder window.

Exactly!

> Going back to SG's question, when I am in Spotlight, if I hover over a 
> file it will show me that thumnail. (Incidentally if the thumnail is an 
> audio or (some) video files, if you move your cursor over the image you 
> can play it right there). If I hold the Apple/Command key down while I 
> am hovering,  the thumbnail will give me the full name of the file. Of 
> course this isn't the path.
> 
> I mentioned this to another and they were unfamiliar so I mention it 
> here: While you hover, if you hit Cmd-r it will take you to that file 
> in its home folder, where you can see (as Alan indicates above) the 
> full path at the bottom of the display.

...but now I actually have to go to that file or folder, when I didn't 
have to in the past. Extra unneeded steps.

In the older version ( fortunately I have such an older version on my 
steam driven MBP 17'') I can make a search in "Spotlight"and get the 
path information without opening the file or folder. OSX 10.9 compile 
you to actually open the folder or file to get such information. A step 
which was not necessary in the past.
< 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Shared%20Images/Savageduck/screenshot_01.jpg 
>


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#51775

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2013-11-03 11:59 -0800
Message-ID<2013110311591826299-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to#51679
On 2013-11-03 00:34:19 +0000, Savageduck said:

> On 2013-11-02 23:56:46 +0000, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:
> 
>> On 2013-11-02 22:42:32 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>> 
>> [ Edited for clarity. ]
>> 
>>> On 2013.11.02, 18:16 , Savageduck wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 1.    With "Spotlight" in 10.6.8, if I hovered the cursor over any file
>>>> in the result list I was able to see/read path information to that file.
>>>> Now with "Spotlight" in 10.9 it has no trouble locating files and
>>>> providing a similar result list, but the once useful path information is
>>>> now a thing of the past. We have been given the very pretty, fat
>>>> thumbnails, which is are useless when it comes to providing location
>>>> information.
>>> 
>>> The path is at the bottom of the finder window, and you can "right" 
>>> click to "open enclosing folder" (or "view in finder", whatever).
>> 
>> But if I am in "Spotlight" I am not in a finder window.
> 
> Exactly!
> 
>> Going back to SG's question, when I am in Spotlight, if I hover over a 
>> file it will show me that thumnail. (Incidentally if the thumnail is an 
>> audio or (some) video files, if you move your cursor over the image you 
>> can play it right there). If I hold the Apple/Command key down while I 
>> am hovering,  the thumbnail will give me the full name of the file. Of 
>> course this isn't the path.
>> 
>> I mentioned this to another and they were unfamiliar so I mention it 
>> here: While you hover, if you hit Cmd-r it will take you to that file 
>> in its home folder, where you can see (as Alan indicates above) the 
>> full path at the bottom of the display.
> 
> ...but now I actually have to go to that file or folder, when I didn't 
> have to in the past. Extra unneeded steps.

Right--but it wasn't offered as replication, nor solution, just related info.

> In the older version ( fortunately I have such an older version on my 
> steam driven MBP 17'') I can make a search in "Spotlight"and get the 
> path information without opening the file or folder. OSX 10.9 compile 
> you to actually open the folder or file to get such information. A step 
> which was not necessary in the past.
> < 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Shared%20Images/Savageduck/screenshot_01.jpg 
> 

Seems I use to have a utility or apple script to do that, but I'm quite 
sure it wasn't functional within spotlight.  I use to need that kind of 
thing more frequently when I was using unix, which, as I'm retired, I 
rarely use now. 

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#51661

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-11-03 12:04 +1300
Message-ID<031120131204485376%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#51653
In article <2013110215163944927-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
> Since I have moved from OSX 10.6.8 to 10.9 there have been a few 
> changes I can tolerate and one or two I find irritating and might just 
> have to tolerate.
> This little rant does not include the whine over applications lost due 
> to lost support such as MT-NW. I will stick to four issues.
> 
<snip>
> 
> 4.  ...and now for my idiot encounter.
> After my 10.6.8 to 10.9 move, I checked all my various applications to 
> see what other than MT-NW was lost to me. I have a LinkSys/Cisco E4200 
> providing me with my home Wi-Fi network. With that comes "Cisco 
> Connect" management app. when I checked that I got this message;
> "Unsupported Operating system
> The router software supports these operating systems:
> -Mac OS X 10.5.8 or later
> -Mac OS X 10.6.1 or later
> -Mac OS X 10.7 or later"
> 
> Obviously they didn't stick strictly to the meaning of "later" I am 
> familiar with as 10.9 is certainly later than 10.6.1. So I called 
> support as the support page was positively unsupportive. After 
> explaining my issue to the resident "support idiot" he suggested that 
> my best solution would be to replace my E4200 with their latest 
> offering. I asked if the software packaged with their latest routers 
> was OSX 10.9 compatible, he had no idea. He had no idea how they would 
> provide an update if and when one would become available for my E4200 
> or the latest & greatest they have for sale as they don't have 
> downloads available, only manual PDFs.

You mean my copy of Star Wars: Rebel Assault for "Macintosh LC III or
higher" should work on the very latest iMac ... woo hoo!! And here I
was thinking I would have to muck about with Sheep Shaver or similar
emulators when I upgrade this PowerMac.  ;-)

There's an old joke about PC software requirements saying they need
"Windows 95 or better" and because we use the better Mac OS the
software should run.  :-)

You should generally take the "or later", "or newer", "or higher" type
tags in system requirement specifications to mean newer sub-suffixes of
that OS version. For example, "Mac OS X 10.7 or later" should be taken
to mean anything in the 10.7.x range while "Mac OS X 10.5.8 or later"
would mean 10.5.8 or 10.5.9, etc.

Even then there's no guarantee that some system fix update won't break
other software, but it's the full version upgrades that are most likely
to break older software.

At least LinkSys / Cisco is smart enough to list the various full
versions of Mac OS X, rather than just a point blank "10.5.8 or later".
Usually with a router / modem you can change it's setting via a web
browser, which may be a way around your problem.

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#51668

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-11-02 16:46 -0700
Message-ID<2013110216464315984-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#51661
On 2013-11-02 23:04:48 +0000, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:

> In article <2013110215163944927-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Since I have moved from OSX 10.6.8 to 10.9 there have been a few
>> changes I can tolerate and one or two I find irritating and might just
>> have to tolerate.
>> This little rant does not include the whine over applications lost due
>> to lost support such as MT-NW. I will stick to four issues.
>> 
> <snip>
>> 
>> 4.  ...and now for my idiot encounter.
>> After my 10.6.8 to 10.9 move, I checked all my various applications to
>> see what other than MT-NW was lost to me. I have a LinkSys/Cisco E4200
>> providing me with my home Wi-Fi network. With that comes "Cisco
>> Connect" management app. when I checked that I got this message;
>> "Unsupported Operating system
>> The router software supports these operating systems:
>> -Mac OS X 10.5.8 or later
>> -Mac OS X 10.6.1 or later
>> -Mac OS X 10.7 or later"
>> 
>> Obviously they didn't stick strictly to the meaning of "later" I am
>> familiar with as 10.9 is certainly later than 10.6.1. So I called
>> support as the support page was positively unsupportive. After
>> explaining my issue to the resident "support idiot" he suggested that
>> my best solution would be to replace my E4200 with their latest
>> offering. I asked if the software packaged with their latest routers
>> was OSX 10.9 compatible, he had no idea. He had no idea how they would
>> provide an update if and when one would become available for my E4200
>> or the latest & greatest they have for sale as they don't have
>> downloads available, only manual PDFs.
> 
> You mean my copy of Star Wars: Rebel Assault for "Macintosh LC III or
> higher" should work on the very latest iMac ... woo hoo!! And here I
> was thinking I would have to muck about with Sheep Shaver or similar
> emulators when I upgrade this PowerMac.  ;-)
> 
> There's an old joke about PC software requirements saying they need
> "Windows 95 or better" and because we use the better Mac OS the
> software should run.  :-)
> 
> You should generally take the "or later", "or newer", "or higher" type
> tags in system requirement specifications to mean newer sub-suffixes of
> that OS version. For example, "Mac OS X 10.7 or later" should be taken
> to mean anything in the 10.7.x range while "Mac OS X 10.5.8 or later"
> would mean 10.5.8 or 10.5.9, etc.
> 
> Even then there's no guarantee that some system fix update won't break
> other software, but it's the full version upgrades that are most likely
> to break older software.
> 
> At least LinkSys / Cisco is smart enough to list the various full
> versions of Mac OS X, rather than just a point blank "10.5.8 or later".
> Usually with a router / modem you can change it's setting via a web
> browser, which may be a way around your problem.

Perhaps.
I will explore that option. I was just a little amazed by the quality 
of idiot employed at the LinkSys/Cisco support desk.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#51673

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-11-02 19:57 -0400
Message-ID<021120131957558099%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#51668
In article <2013110216464315984-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> I will explore that option. I was just a little amazed by the quality 
> of idiot employed at the LinkSys/Cisco support desk.

you must be new to linksys/cisco equipment.

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#51680

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-11-02 17:35 -0700
Message-ID<2013110217353390840-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#51673
On 2013-11-02 23:57:55 +0000, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:

> In article <2013110216464315984-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
>> I will explore that option. I was just a little amazed by the quality
>> of idiot employed at the LinkSys/Cisco support desk.
> 
> you must be new to linksys/cisco equipment.

About 18 months now.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#51675

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-11-03 13:03 +1300
Message-ID<031120131303175908%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#51668
In article <2013110216464315984-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2013-11-02 23:04:48 +0000, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:
> 
> > In article <2013110215163944927-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> > Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Since I have moved from OSX 10.6.8 to 10.9 there have been a few
> >> changes I can tolerate and one or two I find irritating and might just
> >> have to tolerate.
> >> This little rant does not include the whine over applications lost due
> >> to lost support such as MT-NW. I will stick to four issues.
> >> 
> > <snip>
> >> 
> >> 4.  ...and now for my idiot encounter.
> >> After my 10.6.8 to 10.9 move, I checked all my various applications to
> >> see what other than MT-NW was lost to me. I have a LinkSys/Cisco E4200
> >> providing me with my home Wi-Fi network. With that comes "Cisco
> >> Connect" management app. when I checked that I got this message;
> >> "Unsupported Operating system
> >> The router software supports these operating systems:
> >> -Mac OS X 10.5.8 or later
> >> -Mac OS X 10.6.1 or later
> >> -Mac OS X 10.7 or later"
> >> 
> >> Obviously they didn't stick strictly to the meaning of "later" I am
> >> familiar with as 10.9 is certainly later than 10.6.1. So I called
> >> support as the support page was positively unsupportive. After
> >> explaining my issue to the resident "support idiot" he suggested that
> >> my best solution would be to replace my E4200 with their latest
> >> offering. I asked if the software packaged with their latest routers
> >> was OSX 10.9 compatible, he had no idea. He had no idea how they would
> >> provide an update if and when one would become available for my E4200
> >> or the latest & greatest they have for sale as they don't have
> >> downloads available, only manual PDFs.
> > 
> > You mean my copy of Star Wars: Rebel Assault for "Macintosh LC III or
> > higher" should work on the very latest iMac ... woo hoo!! And here I
> > was thinking I would have to muck about with Sheep Shaver or similar
> > emulators when I upgrade this PowerMac.  ;-)
> > 
> > There's an old joke about PC software requirements saying they need
> > "Windows 95 or better" and because we use the better Mac OS the
> > software should run.  :-)
> > 
> > You should generally take the "or later", "or newer", "or higher" type
> > tags in system requirement specifications to mean newer sub-suffixes of
> > that OS version. For example, "Mac OS X 10.7 or later" should be taken
> > to mean anything in the 10.7.x range while "Mac OS X 10.5.8 or later"
> > would mean 10.5.8 or 10.5.9, etc.
> > 
> > Even then there's no guarantee that some system fix update won't break
> > other software, but it's the full version upgrades that are most likely
> > to break older software.
> > 
> > At least LinkSys / Cisco is smart enough to list the various full
> > versions of Mac OS X, rather than just a point blank "10.5.8 or later".
> > Usually with a router / modem you can change it's setting via a web
> > browser, which may be a way around your problem.
> 
> Perhaps.
> I will explore that option. I was just a little amazed by the quality 
> of idiot employed at the LinkSys/Cisco support desk.

Help / Support Desk staff are often just a load of students working
part-time or agency staff, reading off a supplied "script", and they
know nothing about what is really happening.

I've given up even bothering to ring Vodafone New Zealand whenever
there's a problem with my Internet connection because the Help Desk
always claims there is no problem even when I'm telling them there is.
They then start the idiot process of trying to fix my computer (which
has nothing wrong with it) by going through the Windows'
troubleshooting process, despite me having told them multiple times I'm
using a Mac ... once thet gets through their braindead script-reading
skulls, they then try to run through the troubleshooting script for the
very newest Mac OS X, despite me telling them it's an old version (or
before my OS upgrade that it was Mac OS 9).

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#51723

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2013-11-02 21:52 -0700
Message-ID<2013110221520397496-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
In reply to#51661
On 2013-11-02 23:04:48 +0000, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:


> You mean my copy of Star Wars: Rebel Assault for "Macintosh LC III or
> higher" should work on the very latest iMac ... woo hoo!! And here I
> was thinking I would have to muck about with Sheep Shaver or similar
> emulators when I upgrade this PowerMac.  ;-)

Haah!! ...and here I still have have my subLOGIC FlightSimulator (With 
packaging, both 5 1/4'' floppies, and manuals) for my "out to pasture" 
Apple IIe, with Duo-Drive.



-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#51725

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-11-03 18:03 +1300
Message-ID<031120131803593069%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#51723
In article <2013110221520397496-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-11-02 23:04:48 +0000, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:
> > 
> > You mean my copy of Star Wars: Rebel Assault for "Macintosh LC III or
> > higher" should work on the very latest iMac ... woo hoo!! And here I
> > was thinking I would have to muck about with Sheep Shaver or similar
> > emulators when I upgrade this PowerMac.  ;-)
> 
> Haah!! ...and here I still have have my subLOGIC FlightSimulator (With 
> packaging, both 5 1/4'' floppies, and manuals) for my "out to pasture" 
> Apple IIe, with Duo-Drive.

Yep. I've still got piles of 3.5" floppy disks for the Commodore Amiga,
and somewhere I may also still have a couple of cassette tapes from the
Commodore 64 and VIC-20 days.  :-)

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#51726

FromMichelle Steiner <foo@bar.com>
Date2013-11-02 22:06 -0700
Message-ID<021120132206047137%foo@bar.com>
In reply to#51725
In article <031120131803593069%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Yep. I've still got piles of 3.5" floppy disks for the Commodore Amiga,
> and somewhere I may also still have a couple of cassette tapes from the
> Commodore 64 and VIC-20 days.  :-)

I still have tapes from my Apple II days, before I bought a floppy
drive for it.  They're in a box in the garage.

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#51780

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2013-11-03 12:09 -0800
Message-ID<2013110312095729743-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to#51726
On 2013-11-03 05:06:04 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <031120131803593069%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yep. I've still got piles of 3.5" floppy disks for the Commodore Amiga,
>> and somewhere I may also still have a couple of cassette tapes from the
>> Commodore 64 and VIC-20 days.  :-)
> 
> I still have tapes from my Apple II days, before I bought a floppy
> drive for it.  They're in a box in the garage.

I still have the socks I wore on graduation day in 1969.

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