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  Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it> - 2013-10-24 10:25 +0200
    Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-24 04:33 -0400
    Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-10-24 01:46 -0700
      Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it> - 2013-10-24 11:30 +0200
      Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-25 00:04 +1300
      Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2013-10-25 10:30 -0500
    Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-24 13:30 -0400
      Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2013-10-25 13:50 -0400
        Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 14:49 -0400
        Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-25 15:35 -0400
        Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-10-25 21:49 +0200
        Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 16:56 -0400
    Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-24 17:04 -0400
      Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-24 18:26 -0400
        Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-24 22:25 -0400
          Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-24 23:09 -0400
            Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-25 16:15 +1300
              Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 16:38 -0400
            Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-25 18:20 -0700
              Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 21:37 -0400
          Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-10-25 03:02 -0700
            Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 16:40 -0400
              Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 20:16 -0400
                Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-25 20:55 -0400
                  Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-26 14:13 +1300
                    Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 21:37 -0400
                    Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:10 -0400
                  Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-25 21:31 -0400
                    Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 21:37 -0400
                    Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-26 15:11 +1300
                      Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 12:16 +0200
                        Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-26 14:19 +0000
                        Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:20 -0400
                          Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity rcp27g@gmail.com - 2013-11-04 08:04 -0800
                      Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:18 -0400
                        Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-26 10:42 -0400
                          Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 11:05 -0400
                        Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-27 10:00 +1300
                          Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:09 -0400
                          Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-26 20:31 -0400
                            Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-27 14:05 +1300
                    Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:12 -0400
                  Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-25 21:37 -0400
                    Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:16 -0400
                      Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 23:44 +0200
                        Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:19 -0400
                        Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-26 20:21 -0400
                          Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:37 -0400
              Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-26 02:36 -0400
                Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:19 -0400
              Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-26 14:17 +0000
                Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 10:29 -0400
    Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-01 16:14 +0100
      Re: Multiple Mavericks...  a pity Ned Mantei <ned.mantei@biol.ethz.ch> - 2013-11-01 19:22 +0100

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#50519 — Multiple Mavericks... a pity

Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the
estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the
download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB".  But this is
_not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble.

I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a
friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have
to wait seven hours and a half.

My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please,
make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an
installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then
quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN.  I
think that that would be a clean and easy solution.

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#50521

In article <m27gd3oz2c.fsf@pd.infn.it>, Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it>
wrote:

> Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the
> estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the
> download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB".  But this is
> _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble.
> 
> I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a
> friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have
> to wait seven hours and a half.
> 
> My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please,
> make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an
> installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then
> quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN.  I
> think that that would be a clean and easy solution.

download it once, the copy the app to the other macs.

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#50522

On Thursday, 24 October 2013 10:25:31 UTC+2, Maurizio Loreti  wrote:
> Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the
> estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the
> download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB".  But this is
> _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble.
> 
> I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a
> friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have
> to wait seven hours and a half.
> 
> My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please,
> make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an
> installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then
> quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN.  I
> think that that would be a clean and easy solution.

The installer you download from the App Store is just a regular .app.  Once it is finished downloading, quit the process that auto-launches (cmd-Q).  The installer .app can then be copied (from the Applications folder) to wherever you want, to any number of macs (just drop it in the Applications folder on the destination mac), and used there, with no further downloading reuqired.  I just upgraded three macs last night, and my backup HD now has the installer .apps for Lion, Moutain Lion and Mavericks on it, with only a single download.

Robin

Robin

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#50523

rcp27g@gmail.com writes:
> The installer you download from the App Store is just a regular .app.
> Once it is finished downloading, quit the process that auto-launches
> (cmd-Q).  The installer .app can then be copied (from the Applications
> folder) to wherever you want, to any number of macs (just drop it in
> the Applications folder on the destination mac), and used there, with
> no further downloading reuqired.

Thank you - just I didn't know that.

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#50527

<rcp27g@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 24 October 2013 10:25:31 UTC+2, Maurizio Loreti  wrote:
> > Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the
> > estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the
> > download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB".  But this is
> > _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble.
> > 
> > I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a
> > friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have
> > to wait seven hours and a half.
> > 
> > My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please,
> > make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an
> > installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then
> > quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN.  I
> > think that that would be a clean and easy solution.
> 
> The installer you download from the App Store is just a regular .app.
> Once it is finished downloading, quit the process that auto-launches
> (cmd-Q).  The installer .app can then be copied (from the Applications
> folder) to wherever you want, to any number of macs (just drop it in the
> Applications folder on the destination mac), and used there, with no
> further downloading reuqired.  I just upgraded three macs last night, and
> my backup HD now has the installer .apps for Lion, Moutain Lion and
> Mavericks on it, with only a single download.

An important footnote to that: if you do intend to keep a copy, make
sure it is outside the Applications folder when run to do the install
(or make sure you keep another copy on an external volume).

If an OS X installer application is run from the /Applications folder
(its default download location), it will be deleted automatically after
OS X is installed.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#50673

rcp27g@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 October 2013 10:25:31 UTC+2, Maurizio Loreti  wrote:
> > Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the
> > estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the
> > download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB".  But this is
> > _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble.
> > 
> > I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a
> > friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have
> > to wait seven hours and a half.
> > 
> > My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please,
> > make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an
> > installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then
> > quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN.  I
> > think that that would be a clean and easy solution.

> The installer you download from the App Store is just a regular .app.  Once it is finished downloading, quit the process that auto-launches (cmd-Q).  The installer .app can then be copied (from the Applications folder) to wherever you want, to any number of macs (just drop it in the Applications folder on the destination mac), and used there, with no further downloading reuqired.  I just upgraded three macs last night, and my backup HD now has the installer .apps for Lion, Moutain Lion and Mavericks on it, with only a single download.

However, the downloaded app has your Apple ID account data. So, don't 
share with other people.
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#50545

In article <m27gd3oz2c.fsf@pd.infn.it>, Maurizio Loreti <mlo@foobar.it> 
wrote:

> Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the
> estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the
> download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB".  But this is
> _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble.
> 
> I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a
> friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have
> to wait seven hours and a half.
> 
> My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please,
> make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an
> installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then
> quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN.  I
> think that that would be a clean and easy solution.

This might be helpful:

How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive
<http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks
-install-drive.html>

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#50678

On 10/24/13 1:30 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
> This might be helpful:
>
> How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive
> <http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks
> -install-drive.html>

Just an aside, and I know I'll be razzed for even suggesting it.

There was a time when you received the new OS on a bootable DVD.

Just put it into the DVD drive, restart, and shaazzammm! 
You'd be all booted up, just like that, no 30-step operation 
to do beforehand.

It ain't easy like that no mo'.

Yes, I realize that Macs don't have DVD drives anymore. I 
remember serial ports and SCSI ports and ADB ports. Times 
change.

But there's no reason why Apple couldn't make the OS 
installer available on DVD format, for those who care to use 
it that way. Having the "hard copy" DVD makes reinstallation 
easy enough as well (provided you safeguard the DVD).

USB3 flashdrives are cheap, and just about all modern Macs 
have them, do they not? Apple could issue a bootable USB 
flashdrive version as well (as they have done before).

I believe quite a few users would be willing to pony up a 
modest amount (say, $20) for a "hard copy" bootable version 
of the OS. This could become "easy revenue" earners at the 
Apple stores.

Booting and installing from a DVD or flashdrive just makes 
things much easier.

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#50681

In article <526aaf7e$0$1278$862e30e2@ngroups.net>, John Albert
<j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> Just an aside, and I know I'll be razzed for even suggesting it.
> 
> There was a time when you received the new OS on a bootable DVD.

there was a time when it was on a floppy too.

> Just put it into the DVD drive, restart, and shaazzammm! 
> You'd be all booted up, just like that, no 30-step operation 
> to do beforehand.
> 
> It ain't easy like that no mo'.

what 30 step operation? click update and it updates. that's much easier
than putting a disc in the drive and holding down the proper key to
boot from it.

> Yes, I realize that Macs don't have DVD drives anymore. I 
> remember serial ports and SCSI ports and ADB ports. Times 
> change.

they do change, and have. physical media as a distribution mechanism is
dead, which is why it's no longer distributed that way. 

everything is available online now, with the rare app on disc because
it's huge (multiple dvds) or some vertical market system.

> But there's no reason why Apple couldn't make the OS 
> installer available on DVD format, for those who care to use 
> it that way. Having the "hard copy" DVD makes reinstallation 
> easy enough as well (provided you safeguard the DVD).

yes there is. it's not worth the bother. 

most people installed the system and that's the end of that. they never
use the disc again. if their hard drive fails, they restore it from a
backup. 

> USB3 flashdrives are cheap, and just about all modern Macs 
> have them, do they not? Apple could issue a bootable USB 
> flashdrive version as well (as they have done before).

apple offered lion on usb sticks. 

very few people bought it that way, so they didn't bother making a usb
stick for mountain lion. no point in making something nobody buys.

> I believe quite a few users would be willing to pony up a 
> modest amount (say, $20) for a "hard copy" bootable version 
> of the OS. This could become "easy revenue" earners at the 
> Apple stores.

you believe wrong. not enough wanted lion on usb to bother making it
for mountain lion. 

the little revenue they did get didn't offset the cost of manufacturing
and distributing it.

> Booting and installing from a DVD or flashdrive just makes 
> things much easier.

no it doesn't.

it doesn't get any easier than clicking update and then letting it do
its thing.

and you don't have to stand in line at the apple store to get a copy
either.

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#50686

In article <526aaf7e$0$1278$862e30e2@ngroups.net>,
 John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> On 10/24/13 1:30 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
> > This might be helpful:
> >
> > How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive
> > <http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks
> > -install-drive.html>
> 
> Just an aside, and I know I'll be razzed for even suggesting it.
> 
> There was a time when you received the new OS on a bootable DVD.
> 
> Just put it into the DVD drive, restart, and shaazzammm! 
> You'd be all booted up, just like that, no 30-step operation 
> to do beforehand.
> 
> It ain't easy like that no mo'.
> 
> Yes, I realize that Macs don't have DVD drives anymore. I 
> remember serial ports and SCSI ports and ADB ports. Times 
> change.
> 
> But there's no reason why Apple couldn't make the OS 
> installer available on DVD format, for those who care to use 
> it that way. Having the "hard copy" DVD makes reinstallation 
> easy enough as well (provided you safeguard the DVD).

I can but presume that Apple's response would be that as long as you 
have an internet connection you can install OS 10 on a Mac where the one 
and only hard drive is completely blank. Of course the 'if you have an 
internet connection' condition is indeed a deal breaker for many.

> USB3 flashdrives are cheap, and just about all modern Macs 
> have them, do they not? Apple could issue a bootable USB 
> flashdrive version as well (as they have done before).
> 
> I believe quite a few users would be willing to pony up a 
> modest amount (say, $20) for a "hard copy" bootable version 
> of the OS. This could become "easy revenue" earners at the 
> Apple stores.
> 
> Booting and installing from a DVD or flashdrive just makes 
> things much easier.

Personally, my option is for the USB drive. Faster and updatable.

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#50690

On 2013-10-25 17:50:54 +0000, John Albert said:

> On 10/24/13 1:30 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
>> This might be helpful:
>> 
>> How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive
>> <http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks
>> -install-drive.html>
> 
> Just an aside, and I know I'll be razzed for even suggesting it.
> 
> There was a time when you received the new OS on a bootable DVD.
> 
> Just put it into the DVD drive, restart, and shaazzammm! You'd be all 
> booted up, just like that, no 30-step operation to do beforehand.
> 
> It ain't easy like that no mo'.
> 
> Yes, I realize that Macs don't have DVD drives anymore. I remember 
> serial ports and SCSI ports and ADB ports. Times change.

There was also a time when OSs came on stacks of floppy disks.  Indeed, 
times do change.

> But there's no reason why Apple couldn't make the OS installer 
> available on DVD format, for those who care to use it that way. Having 
> the "hard copy" DVD makes reinstallation easy enough as well (provided 
> you safeguard the DVD).
> 
> USB3 flashdrives are cheap, and just about all modern Macs have them, 
> do they not? Apple could issue a bootable USB flashdrive version as 
> well (as they have done before).

I think this is the point.  When Lion went live, Apple were concerned 
that there would genuinely be people for whom this mode of installation 
was important, and provided media as you suggest.  I expect the reason 
fro ML and Mavericks this was not offered was almost certainly down to 
how well those devices actually sold when offered.

> I believe quite a few users would be willing to pony up a modest amount 
> (say, $20) for a "hard copy" bootable version of the OS. This could 
> become "easy revenue" earners at the Apple stores.
> 
> Booting and installing from a DVD or flashdrive just makes things much easier.

When I looked at how to instal to multiple macs from a single download, 
I found relatively clear instructions of how to create a bootable flash 
drive from the downloaded installer.  The question I would have to ask 
is who would actually buy such a thing?  Apple hasn't exactly prevented 
people from making one from the installer.  There are some non-computer 
people who wouldn't dare use one if they had one even if they had it.  
There are people who want one, and have no trouble making their own 
from the downloaded installer.  There might be a few people who fall 
into the gap between these two categories, but I just don't see that 
there are very many of them.

Robin

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#50709

On 2013.10.25, 13:50 , John Albert wrote:

> I believe quite a few users would be willing to pony up a modest amount
> (say, $20) for a "hard copy" bootable version of the OS. This could
> become "easy revenue" earners at the Apple stores.


Apple made flashdrives (USB dongles) available for Lion, but not 
Mountain Lion.  The price was about $70 IIRC (incl. the Lion license).

End of story.  No more physical media.

That said, after DL I simply make a bootable CF card with each new major 
version and keep it handy for a few months after the DL (also keep the 
install file on external spinners).

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#50573

On 2013.10.24, 04:25 , Maurizio Loreti wrote:
> Well, today I decided to switch from Mountain Lion to Mavericks; the
> estimated download time on my iMac is 2 hours 30 minutes, and the
> download thermometer is now at "3.38 GB of 5.29 GB".  But this is
> _not_ my trouble, I mean _having_to_wait_ *once* is not my trouble.
>
> I have here *three* macs: an iMac, a MacBook, and the MacBook of a
> friend; willing to upgrade all these computers to Mavericks, I'll have
> to wait seven hours and a half.
>
> My shy suggestion to the Apple wizards is: in cases like this, please,
> make available a single file: mayge a dmg image containing an
> installer, that could be downloaded from the WAN just once; and then
> quickly transferred, in minutes, to the other computers of the LAN.  I
> think that that would be a clean and easy solution.

Apple have the installer app (containing the new OS) erase after 
install. It's really dumb.  It's not necessary.  If it were copied to a 
folder somewhere it would make more sense.

But as others point out, you simply stop the install after the download, 
make an off system copy and also copy it to other computers.

I also made an install "disk" on USB flash "just in case" I need a 
convenient, bootable installer using Disk Utility.  See my other post 
for the "how".

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#50588

In article <foSdnRRM_dn5FvTPnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Apple have the installer app (containing the new OS) erase after 
> install. It's really dumb.  It's not necessary.  If it were copied to a 
> folder somewhere it would make more sense.

no need to keep it.

those who want to use it for other systems can make a copy before its
deleted. most people have no need to keep it around beyond the install.

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#50621

On 10-24-2013, 18:26, nospam wrote:
> In article <foSdnRRM_dn5FvTPnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Apple have the installer app (containing the new OS) erase after
>> install. It's really dumb.  It's not necessary.  If it were copied to a
>> folder somewhere it would make more sense.
>
> no need to keep it.
>
> those who want to use it for other systems can make a copy before its
> deleted. most people have no need to keep it around beyond the install.

1. Interrupt the install, relocate the image.

2. Do the install, manually delete if you want to.

(2) is easy for almost everyone.  (1) is a challenge for some people and 
more work than (2) for anyone.

So seems to me that (2) is the better choice on the average.

Best of all:

3. At the end of install, a pop-up
    "Install successful.  Delete installer?"

-- 
Wes Groleau

    A UNIX signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent
    of a black velvet clown painting.  It's a rectangle of carets
    surrounding a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like
    Heinlein or Dr. Who.
                                 — Chris Maeda
    Ha, ha, Dr. ..... Who's Chris Maeda?
                                 — Wes Groleau

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#50626

In article <l4ckq3$vf8$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
<Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> >> Apple have the installer app (containing the new OS) erase after
> >> install. It's really dumb.  It's not necessary.  If it were copied to a
> >> folder somewhere it would make more sense.
> >
> > no need to keep it.
> >
> > those who want to use it for other systems can make a copy before its
> > deleted. most people have no need to keep it around beyond the install.
> 
> 1. Interrupt the install, relocate the image.
> 
> 2. Do the install, manually delete if you want to.
> 
> (2) is easy for almost everyone.  (1) is a challenge for some people and 
> more work than (2) for anyone.
> 
> So seems to me that (2) is the better choice on the average.

most people have no need to have the installer beyond the installation.

it also works like every other upgrade.

apple aims for the masses, not the power user. those who need to keep
it for additional installs know what to do.

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#50628

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <l4ckq3$vf8$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau
> <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> 
> > >> Apple have the installer app (containing the new OS) erase after
> > >> install. It's really dumb.  It's not necessary.  If it were copied to a
> > >> folder somewhere it would make more sense.
> > >
> > > no need to keep it.
> > >
> > > those who want to use it for other systems can make a copy before its
> > > deleted. most people have no need to keep it around beyond the install.
> > 
> > 1. Interrupt the install, relocate the image.
> > 
> > 2. Do the install, manually delete if you want to.
> > 
> > (2) is easy for almost everyone.  (1) is a challenge for some people and
> > more work than (2) for anyone.
> > 
> > So seems to me that (2) is the better choice on the average.
> 
> most people have no need to have the installer beyond the installation.
> 
> it also works like every other upgrade.
> 
> apple aims for the masses, not the power user. those who need to keep
> it for additional installs know what to do.

I think Apple could make it more obvious for the huge number of users
who still have no idea how to navigate the file system using the Finder,
and those who simply never happened to look inside their Applications
folder while an install is taking place and notice that's where the
installer is kept for the duration, by moving the installer to the Trash
afterwards, instead of deleting outright.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#50699

On 2013.10.24, 23:15 , Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:

> I think Apple could make it more obvious for the huge number of users
> who still have no idea how to navigate the file system using the Finder,
> and those who simply never happened to look inside their Applications
> folder while an install is taking place and notice that's where the
> installer is kept for the duration, by moving the installer to the Trash
> afterwards, instead of deleting outright.

That would be better than the present method, to be sure.

Just moving it to an "installs" folder would be better.

As it is, even making an installer disk or USB-flash is a little harder 
than for L/ML.  (See my other post).

-- 
"Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
                                                 -Ambrose Bierce

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#50730

On 2013-10-25 03:09:03 +0000, nospam said:
>> 
> 
> most people have no need to have the installer beyond the installation.

It could maybe *ask* if you want to delete it or keep it?  Would that have
been so hard?
> 
> apple aims for the masses, not the power user. those who need to keep
> it for additional installs know what to do.

The masses could say "ok" and the power users could say "no".

Automatically deleting without asking is just flat out unfriendly.

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#50735

In article <l4f5cq$t3g$1@reader1.panix.com>, Bread
<BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> > most people have no need to have the installer beyond the installation.
> 
> It could maybe *ask* if you want to delete it or keep it?  Would that have
> been so hard?
> > 
> > apple aims for the masses, not the power user. those who need to keep
> > it for additional installs know what to do.
> 
> The masses could say "ok" and the power users could say "no".

why bother asking when nearly everyone will say yes?

power users know how to make a copy.

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