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  Anti Virus Software on a Mac? William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> - 2013-10-15 08:14 -0400
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-15 08:09 -0500
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lloyd <lloydparsons@me.com> - 2013-10-15 08:34 -0500
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-15 09:36 -0400
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-15 07:44 -0700
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-15 18:55 +0200
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-15 20:43 +0000
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-15 17:14 -0400
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-16 10:13 +1100
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-16 13:35 +1300
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-19 22:54 +0200
            Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-20 11:23 +1100
              Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-21 23:24 +1300
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-19 22:50 +0200
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-20 11:22 +1100
            Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-20 12:39 +0200
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-15 09:35 -0400
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2013-10-15 07:00 -0700
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? billy@MIX.COM - 2013-10-15 15:55 +0000
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2013-10-20 15:29 +0100
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-20 11:17 -0400
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-15 07:44 -0700
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Suzie-Q <sme617x@gmail.com> - 2013-10-15 11:05 -0500
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-15 12:48 -0400
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Suzie-Q <sme617x@gmail.com> - 2013-10-16 08:23 -0500
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-16 10:37 -0400
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-16 13:41 +1300
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Suzie-Q <sme617x@gmail.com> - 2013-10-16 08:22 -0500
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-16 14:48 +0000
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-10-16 20:47 +0000
            Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Suzie-Q <sme617x@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 15:51 -0500
              Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-18 20:49 -0400
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-15 12:13 -0400
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Skylamar <nothingtoseehere@movealong.net> - 2013-10-16 22:15 -0700
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-17 19:15 +1300
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-15 15:56 -0400
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-16 09:18 +1300
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-15 16:25 -0400
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-16 13:44 +1300
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-15 21:34 -0400
            Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-15 21:43 -0700
              Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-16 11:46 +0000
              Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-10-17 00:11 +0000
                Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-16 17:53 -0700
                  Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-17 13:51 -0400
                    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-17 12:44 -0700
                      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-17 12:48 -0700
                        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-17 16:03 -0400
                          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-18 09:07 +1300
                      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-17 23:28 +0000
                        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-18 12:44 +1300
                          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-18 00:05 +0000
                            Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-17 20:53 -0400
                            Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-18 15:42 +1300
                              Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-18 20:01 +0000
                            Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2013-10-18 01:35 -0700
                              Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-18 05:48 -0400
                              Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-18 11:36 -0400
                                Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-18 08:42 -0700
                              Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-18 20:02 +0000
                            Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-18 08:41 -0700
                        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-17 20:53 -0400
                  Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-10-19 01:41 +0000
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-16 17:22 +1300
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-15 14:28 -0700
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-15 14:31 -0700
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-16 05:30 -0700
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-17 18:49 +1300
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2013-10-16 17:38 +0100
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-16 09:48 -0700
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-17 13:01 +1300
            Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-17 04:17 +0000
              Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-18 09:05 +1300
                Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-18 09:33 +1300
                  Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-10-18 15:07 +0100
                    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-19 10:10 +1300
            Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-17 08:12 -0700
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-17 13:01 +1300
        Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-10-17 00:19 +0000
          Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-16 20:26 -0700
            Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Skylamar <nothingtoseehere@movealong.net> - 2013-10-16 22:14 -0700
              Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-17 04:55 -0700
            Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-20 12:42 +0200
              Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-25 12:43 -0700
                Re: Mac magazines jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 11:57 +1300
          Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-17 17:50 -0400
            Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-17 17:52 -0400
              Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-17 20:56 -0400
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-16 13:27 +1300
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Saint Isidore Patron Saint of the Internet <tadapope@gmail.com> - 2013-10-17 19:17 -0700
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Saint Isidore Patron Saint of the Internet <tadapope@gmail.com> - 2013-10-17 19:20 -0700
    Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> - 2013-10-18 12:52 -0400
      Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-19 10:12 +1300

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#50170

In article <slrnl60uq4.1p9a.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> > Here's the page that the email directed me to: 
> >> > <https://www.usaa.com/inet/pages/secure_logon_main?EID=127494-0813_b
> >> > ody& akredirect=true>
> >> 
> >> Um. Cookies? Are they fucking serious?
> 
> > Outrage at Java I understand. But cookies?
> 
> Requiring cookies to access a secure site? That's fucking stupid. 

Did you read my follow-up message?

> I cancelled my Barclay card because their site required cookies.

I have a Barclay card (Actually, a Williams Sonoma affiliation card that's 
hosted by Barclay), and have no problems with their web site even though I 
have third-party cookies blocked.  What I don't like about them is that 
they don't allow Quicken to download transactions; I have to download a QFX 
file from their web site and then import it into Quicken.

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#50141

In article <slrnl60sk6.1p9a.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> I have a USAA credit card, house insureance, car insurance, but no 
> >> checking account. I have not gotten the Trusteer request, so perhaps 
> >> your checking account is the trigger as you suggest.
> 
> > Here's the page that the email directed me to:
> >
> > <https://www.usaa.com/inet/pages/secure_logon_main?EID=127494-0813_body&akre
> > direct=true>
> 
> Um. Cookies? Are they fucking serious?

a lot of web sites use cookies.

however, that particular web site isn't using them properly, which
suggests they are doing other stuff wrong too, one of which is java.

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#50199

On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 00:53:14 UTC, Michelle Steiner 
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-oNsh765RerKO@localhost>,
>  "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > > USAA, where I have a checking account, home mortgage, and home and 
> > > auto insurance policies suggested this evening that I install 
> > > Trusteer.  After looking at the "about" pages for it, I decided not 
> > > to.  Looks like I made the right decision.
> >  
> > I have USAA insurance and a mutual fund, and they haven't send me 
> > anything like that. Maybe they don't know I have a Mac.
> 
> Maybe it's because you don't have a checking account with them.

The same thing occurred to me, but then I considered that web access
to the mutual fund could do more damage than to a typical checking 
account.

I should have mentioned that I also have a Master Card with them.

-- 
John Varela

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#50027

In article <1lau625.1s6e9fjqqdxa2N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <161020130918304023%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
> > <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >     - some banks insist that you have an anti-virus application
> > >       installed to use their internet banking system (or at least
> > >       qualify for repayment should money be taken from your
> > >       account),
> > 
> > any bank that requires specific software to be installed is not a bank
> > to use. 
> 
> Yeah, sounds like very stupid banks. I wouldn't trust people that dumb
> about IT with my money.
> 
> > there are *plenty* of banks that don't require crap like that.
> 
> I've heard of this idiocy before, but never actually encountered it in
> the wild. Is this more a US thing?

I'm in New Zealand, and I know one person who was told they *must* have
anti-virus software on their Mac ... but whether it was an actual
requirement or simply the help desk / teller staff being
unknowledgeable about Macs is another question.



> > >     - on a Mac used in a work environment alongside Windows PCs,
> > >       an anti-virus application on the can stop your Mac being
> > >       used as a stepping stone for Windows malware.
> > 
> > so what? 
> > 
> > the windows machines already have antivirus software and if they can't
> > protect themselves, screw 'em.
> 
> Even then you have to be pretty silly or unaware to get a virus in
> Windows.

Nope. Windows can get viruses and malware EXTREMELY easily, even with
anti-virus software installed and constantly updated. Plus much of the
malware isn't even recognised by the leading anti-virus software (free
and commercial), let alone blocked from being installed.

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#50011

In article <161020130918304023%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>     - some banks insist that you have an anti-virus application
>       installed to use their internet banking system (or at least
>       qualify for repayment should money be taken from your
>       account),

That's an immediate and solid fail in my book. No way I would agree to 
such a thing.

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#50012

In article <161020130918304023%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>     - on a Mac used in a work environment alongside Windows PCs,
>       an anti-virus application on the can stop your Mac being
>       used as a stepping stone for Windows malware.

My real world experience says that the opposite is typically the case: 
when a virus wipes out hundreds of Windows PCs in a corporate network, 
Mac users are the ones they all bribe and beg to get shit done for them 
- despite not running Mac antivirus software.

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#50042

On 10/15/2013 1:18 PM PT, Your Name typed:
...
 >      - some banks insist that you have an anti-virus application
>        installed to use their internet banking system (or at least
>        qualify for repayment should money be taken from your
>        account),
...

Which banks are these? :P
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#50092

In article <Sr2dnXdk9qh2G8PPnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 10/15/2013 1:18 PM PT, Your Name typed:
> ...
> >      - some banks insist that you have an anti-virus application
> >        installed to use their internet banking system (or at least
> >        qualify for repayment should money be taken from your
> >        account),
> ...
> 
> Which banks are these? :P

I woudn't be surprised if most banks have some sort of clause similar
to that in the small print of the contract people sign and agree to 
without bothering to read when opening an account.  :-)

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#50053

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.

Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
of a Mac magazine.
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#50054

In article <1latijk.akg8ii6aqpggN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>,
 dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> 
> Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> of a Mac magazine.

I've had several run-ins with classic Mac viruses myself. Those were fun 
days!  : )

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#50074

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <1latijk.akg8ii6aqpggN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>,
>  dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote:
> 
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> > > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> > 
> > Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> > virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> > of a Mac magazine.
> 
> I've had several run-ins with classic Mac viruses myself. Those were fun
> days!  : )

A mate used to collect them - had a few floppies full. How far we've
come in wannabe hacker epeen waggling :-D
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#50088

In message <1lavyq6.1mba4131wd450yN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
  Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> In article <1latijk.akg8ii6aqpggN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>,
>>  dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote:
>> 
>> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
>> > > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
>> > > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
>> > > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
>> > 
>> > Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
>> > virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
>> > of a Mac magazine.
>> 
>> I've had several run-ins with classic Mac viruses myself. Those were fun
>> days!  : )

> A mate used to collect them - had a few floppies full.

They would have all fit on a single floppy.  There were, IIRC, 31 total.
Disinfectant was a system extension that protected from all of them.

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#50116

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <1lavyq6.1mba4131wd450yN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
>   Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> >> In article <1latijk.akg8ii6aqpggN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>,
> >>  dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> >> > > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> >> > > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> >> > > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> >> > 
> >> > Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> >> > virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> >> > of a Mac magazine.
> >> 
> >> I've had several run-ins with classic Mac viruses myself. Those were fun
> >> days!  : )
> 
> > A mate used to collect them - had a few floppies full.
> 
> They would have all fit on a single floppy.  There were, IIRC, 31 total.
> Disinfectant was a system extension that protected from all of them.

*shrug* A few infected hypercard stacks which were not insignificant in
size. But I'm sure just the uncompiled code for every single classic Mac
virus, worm and trojan horse could have fit on one single sided 400K
floppy. Those were the days. Try fitting an OS (System 6 for example),
an app and still having room for several documents on one 1.44MB floppy
nowadays. If you can find such a floppy. Or anything to read it. I
wonder if my Imation SuperDisk (failed 120MB 'super' floppies, plus
regular 1.44MB floppy read/write) still works with modern Macs...?
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#50119

In article <1laxi6u.165se85zzngfdN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > In message <1lavyq6.1mba4131wd450yN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
> >   Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > >> In article <1latijk.akg8ii6aqpggN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>,
> > >>  dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote:
> > >> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > >> > 
> > >> > > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers
> > >> > > (since
> > >> > > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > >> > > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > >> > > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> > >> > 
> > >> > Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had
> > >> > a
> > >> > virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> > >> > of a Mac magazine.
> > >> 
> > >> I've had several run-ins with classic Mac viruses myself. Those were fun
> > >> days!  : )
> > 
> > > A mate used to collect them - had a few floppies full.
> > 
> > They would have all fit on a single floppy.  There were, IIRC, 31 total.
> > Disinfectant was a system extension that protected from all of them.
> 
> *shrug* A few infected hypercard stacks which were not insignificant in
> size. But I'm sure just the uncompiled code for every single classic Mac
> virus, worm and trojan horse could have fit on one single sided 400K
> floppy. Those were the days. Try fitting an OS (System 6 for example),
> an app and still having room for several documents on one 1.44MB floppy
> nowadays. If you can find such a floppy. 

I've got hundreds of them - Amiga formatted and Mac formatted.  :-)

Brnad new floppy disks are hard to find, although I seem to recall
reading only relatively recently that some company had decided to stop
making them.




> Or anything to read it.

Well, if you want to spend the time to clean and re-align my PowerMac's
floppy drive, then I can read them.



> I wonder if my Imation SuperDisk (failed 120MB 'super' floppies, plus
> regular 1.44MB floppy read/write) still works with modern Macs...?

It might do, depending on the connector and disk formatting. My
PowerMac's internal Zip drive still works with Mac OS X 10.1 and 10.2.

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#50168

On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:33:04 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:

>In article <1laxi6u.165se85zzngfdN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
>Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
>
>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> 
>> > In message <1lavyq6.1mba4131wd450yN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
>> >   Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
>> > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> > >> In article <1latijk.akg8ii6aqpggN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>,
>> > >>  dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote:
>> > >> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> > >> > 
>> > >> > > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers
>> > >> > > (since
>> > >> > > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
>> > >> > > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
>> > >> > > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
>> > >> > 
>> > >> > Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had
>> > >> > a
>> > >> > virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
>> > >> > of a Mac magazine.
>> > >> 
>> > >> I've had several run-ins with classic Mac viruses myself. Those were fun
>> > >> days!  : )
>> > 
>> > > A mate used to collect them - had a few floppies full.
>> > 
>> > They would have all fit on a single floppy.  There were, IIRC, 31 total.
>> > Disinfectant was a system extension that protected from all of them.
>> 
>> *shrug* A few infected hypercard stacks which were not insignificant in
>> size. But I'm sure just the uncompiled code for every single classic Mac
>> virus, worm and trojan horse could have fit on one single sided 400K
>> floppy. Those were the days. Try fitting an OS (System 6 for example),
>> an app and still having room for several documents on one 1.44MB floppy
>> nowadays. If you can find such a floppy. 
>
>I've got hundreds of them - Amiga formatted and Mac formatted.  :-)
>
>Brnad new floppy disks are hard to find, although I seem to recall
>reading only relatively recently that some company had decided to stop
>making them.

 http://www.maplin.co.uk/verbatim-hd-colour-floppy-disk-10-pack-33664

 http://www.maplin.co.uk/usb-floppy-drive-external-44725 

>
>
>
>
>> Or anything to read it.
>
>Well, if you want to spend the time to clean and re-align my PowerMac's
>floppy drive, then I can read them.

 http://www.maplin.co.uk/diskcare-floppy-drive-cleaners-89mm-388

 

>
>
>
>> I wonder if my Imation SuperDisk (failed 120MB 'super' floppies, plus
>> regular 1.44MB floppy read/write) still works with modern Macs...?
>
>It might do, depending on the connector and disk formatting. My
>PowerMac's internal Zip drive still works with Mac OS X 10.1 and 10.2.

 If it doesn't can't you just boot an older Mac up as a target device
and use the floppy drive or peripheral in that? I thought that was
*easy* with Macs? 
 Oh ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_Disk_Mode says "... some
..." will do that. Pity. I thought *all* of them would. 
                                                         J. 

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#50185

In article <04g2691n313pimvsdr53b0u61m9rg8v5ti@4ax.com>, John
<Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:33:04 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
> wrote:
> >In article <1laxi6u.165se85zzngfdN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
> >Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> >> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> > In message <1lavyq6.1mba4131wd450yN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
> >> >   Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> >> > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> > >> In article <1latijk.akg8ii6aqpggN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>,
> >> > >>  dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote:
> >> > >> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >> > >> > 
> >> > >> > > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers
> >> > >> > > (since
> >> > >> > > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus,
> >> > >> > > and
> >> > >> > > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy
> >> > >> > > disk
> >> > >> > > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> >> > >> > 
> >> > >> > Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I
> >> > >> > had a virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a
> >> > >> > cover disk of a Mac magazine.
> >> > >> 
> >> > >> I've had several run-ins with classic Mac viruses myself. Those were
> >> > >> fun days!  : )
> >> > > 
> >> > > A mate used to collect them - had a few floppies full.
> >> > 
> >> > They would have all fit on a single floppy.  There were, IIRC, 31 total.
> >> > Disinfectant was a system extension that protected from all of them.
> >> 
> >> *shrug* A few infected hypercard stacks which were not insignificant in
> >> size. But I'm sure just the uncompiled code for every single classic Mac
> >> virus, worm and trojan horse could have fit on one single sided 400K
> >> floppy. Those were the days. Try fitting an OS (System 6 for example),
> >> an app and still having room for several documents on one 1.44MB floppy
> >> nowadays. If you can find such a floppy. 
> >
> >I've got hundreds of them - Amiga formatted and Mac formatted.  :-)
> >
> >Brnad new floppy disks are hard to find, although I seem to recall
> >reading only relatively recently that some company had decided to stop
> >making them.
> 
>  http://www.maplin.co.uk/verbatim-hd-colour-floppy-disk-10-pack-33664
> 
>  http://www.maplin.co.uk/usb-floppy-drive-external-44725 

Yep, you can still buy them, but they are hard to find in the local
shops (ocassionally I still see some).




> >> Or anything to read it.
> >
> >Well, if you want to spend the time to clean and re-align my PowerMac's
> >floppy drive, then I can read them.
> 
>  http://www.maplin.co.uk/diskcare-floppy-drive-cleaners-89mm-388

I'm not sure it's really worth the expense and time. Besides I totok
the floppy drive out when it stopped working and used that drive bay in
my PowerMac for an extra hard drive.




> >> I wonder if my Imation SuperDisk (failed 120MB 'super' floppies, plus
> >> regular 1.44MB floppy read/write) still works with modern Macs...?
> >
> >It might do, depending on the connector and disk formatting. My
> >PowerMac's internal Zip drive still works with Mac OS X 10.1 and 10.2.
> 
>  If it doesn't can't you just boot an older Mac up as a target device
> and use the floppy drive or peripheral in that? I thought that was
> *easy* with Macs? 
>  Oh ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_Disk_Mode says "... some
> ..." will do that. Pity. I thought *all* of them would. 

It depends on the Mac. Some older ones can't do "Target Mode" ... but
in some case you can still connect to them via the sharing network
options and access the drives.

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#50107

In article <1lavyq6.1mba4131wd450yN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <1latijk.akg8ii6aqpggN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>,
> >  dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote:
> > 
> > > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> > > > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > > > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > > > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> > > 
> > > Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> > > virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> > > of a Mac magazine.
> > 
> > I've had several run-ins with classic Mac viruses myself. Those were fun
> > days!  : )
> 
> A mate used to collect them - had a few floppies full. How far we've
> come in wannabe hacker epeen waggling :-D

I still have a collection in my archive!  : )

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#50073

Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> 
> Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> of a Mac magazine.

Last Mac malware infection I had was off a MacAddict cover CD-ROM back
in 1999. What the hell was it called again? *couple minutes trying to
recall passes, as I read other posts* Oh yeah! The Autostart worm
(infected only PPC systems back in the days of MacOS 8.x IIRC). Harmless
little bugger, and easily removed manually. Not like malware nowadays,
ha!
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#50078

[crossposted to comp.sys.mac.misc. OT for comp.sys.mac.system. 
Follow-ups to csmm.]

On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:47 UTC, dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel 
Cohen) wrote:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In all the MANY years of using and adminstering Apple computers (since
> > before there even was a Mac), I have only ever found ONE virus, and
> > that was a Windows virus infecting a Word document on a floppy disk
> > from a Windows user way back under Mac OS 8.
> 
> Ph well, if you're going that far back, I will mention that once I had a
> virus on my Mac (around system 6 pr 7), and that came from a cover disk
> of a Mac magazine.

Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld? 
They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription 
lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?

-- 
John Varela

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#50082 — Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?)

On 2013-10-17 00:19:49 +0000, John Varela said:
> 
> Speaking of Mac magazines, does anyone else still read MacWorld?
> They ought to rename it IOSWorld. I think I'll let my subscription
> lapse. Can anyone recommend a Mac magazine that's still useful?

Does it have to be paper?

I pull RSS feeds from MacNN, 9to5Mac.com, MacRumors.  Actually, between 
the three, there's a lot of duplication and since 9to5 shows up first 
in my reader, I often read things there and then skip over basically 
the same info elsewhere.

Oh, yeah, MacOSXHints, too.

Add in Ars Technica, MacSparky (just found this one), and maybe Pogue's 
blog at NYT, perhaps also toss in Daring Fireball, too.

I dunno why certain folks think RSS is dead.  No way I'd go to all 
those websites every day to see what was going on.  Given a decent 
reader it's trivial to browse through them and pick out the bits and 
pieces I want to read.

Not that Apple ever made a decent reader.  Having RSS feeds into Safari 
was pitiful.  NetNewsWire and Reeder (waiting for the latter to come 
out with another update, btw) both put Apple to shame, as did 
Reader.Google.com.  A pox on Google for killing that off, too.

Happy to hear other recommendations, btw.

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