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| Started by | William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> |
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| First post | 2013-10-15 08:14 -0400 |
| Last post | 2013-10-19 10:12 +1300 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 93 — 28 participants |
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Anti Virus Software on a Mac? William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> - 2013-10-15 08:14 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-15 08:09 -0500
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lloyd <lloydparsons@me.com> - 2013-10-15 08:34 -0500
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-15 09:36 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-15 07:44 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-15 18:55 +0200
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-15 20:43 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-15 17:14 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-16 10:13 +1100
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-16 13:35 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-19 22:54 +0200
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-20 11:23 +1100
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-21 23:24 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-19 22:50 +0200
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-20 11:22 +1100
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-20 12:39 +0200
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-15 09:35 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2013-10-15 07:00 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? billy@MIX.COM - 2013-10-15 15:55 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2013-10-20 15:29 +0100
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-20 11:17 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-15 07:44 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Suzie-Q <sme617x@gmail.com> - 2013-10-15 11:05 -0500
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-15 12:48 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Suzie-Q <sme617x@gmail.com> - 2013-10-16 08:23 -0500
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-16 10:37 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-16 13:41 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Suzie-Q <sme617x@gmail.com> - 2013-10-16 08:22 -0500
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-16 14:48 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-10-16 20:47 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Suzie-Q <sme617x@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 15:51 -0500
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-18 20:49 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-15 12:13 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Skylamar <nothingtoseehere@movealong.net> - 2013-10-16 22:15 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-17 19:15 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-15 15:56 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-16 09:18 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-15 16:25 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-16 13:44 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-15 21:34 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-15 21:43 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-16 11:46 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-10-17 00:11 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-16 17:53 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-17 13:51 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-17 12:44 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-17 12:48 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-17 16:03 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-18 09:07 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-17 23:28 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-18 12:44 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-18 00:05 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-17 20:53 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-18 15:42 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-18 20:01 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2013-10-18 01:35 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-18 05:48 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-18 11:36 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-18 08:42 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-18 20:02 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-18 08:41 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-17 20:53 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-10-19 01:41 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-16 17:22 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-15 14:28 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-15 14:31 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-16 05:30 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-17 18:49 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2013-10-16 17:38 +0100
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-16 09:48 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-17 13:01 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-17 04:17 +0000
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-18 09:05 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-18 09:33 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2013-10-18 15:07 +0100
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-19 10:10 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-17 08:12 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-17 13:01 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-10-17 00:19 +0000
Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-16 20:26 -0700
Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Skylamar <nothingtoseehere@movealong.net> - 2013-10-16 22:14 -0700
Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-17 04:55 -0700
Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-20 12:42 +0200
Re: Mac magazines (was Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-25 12:43 -0700
Re: Mac magazines jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 11:57 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-17 17:50 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-17 17:52 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-17 20:56 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-16 13:27 +1300
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Saint Isidore Patron Saint of the Internet <tadapope@gmail.com> - 2013-10-17 19:17 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Saint Isidore Patron Saint of the Internet <tadapope@gmail.com> - 2013-10-17 19:20 -0700
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> - 2013-10-18 12:52 -0400
Re: Anti Virus Software on a Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-19 10:12 +1300
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| From | William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> |
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| Date | 2013-10-15 08:14 -0400 |
| Subject | Anti Virus Software on a Mac? |
| Message-ID | <l3jbif$he$1@news.albasani.net> |
I just received an unexpected pay bonus at work and I'm going to treat myself to a nice new MacBook Pro. Just wondering though, should I install an anti virus program? Some people say you really ought to do that now days. Others say it's still not necessary-- creating more problems than it solves. -- Buy the ticket, take the ride. --Hunter S. Thompson
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| From | Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-15 08:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net> |
| In reply to | #49977 |
In article <l3jbif$he$1@news.albasani.net>, William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> wrote: > I just received an unexpected pay bonus at work and I'm going to treat > myself to a nice new MacBook Pro. Just wondering though, should I > install an anti virus program? > > Some people say you really ought to do that now days. Others say it's > still not necessary-- creating more problems than it solves. You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. How can you go wrong by getting and using it?
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| From | Lloyd <lloydparsons@me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-15 08:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lloydparsons-44570C.08344615102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #49980 |
In article <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > In article <l3jbif$he$1@news.albasani.net>, > William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> wrote: > > > I just received an unexpected pay bonus at work and I'm going to treat > > myself to a nice new MacBook Pro. Just wondering though, should I > > install an anti virus program? > > > > Some people say you really ought to do that now days. Others say it's > > still not necessary-- creating more problems than it solves. > > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? You can go wrong with the issues all these AV programs seem to give people on Macs. I know, I've tried a few and all caused odd issues inconsistently. And at this point in time, there is no real good reason to have one anyway.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-15 09:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <151020130936115143%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #49980 |
In article <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I just received an unexpected pay bonus at work and I'm going to treat > > myself to a nice new MacBook Pro. Just wondering though, should I > > install an anti virus program? > > > > Some people say you really ought to do that now days. Others say it's > > still not necessary-- creating more problems than it solves. > > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? mainly because iantivirus is a piece of shit, aside from not being needed.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-15 07:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-5153D2.07443715102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #49980 |
In article <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? *guffaw* -- All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2013-10-15 18:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nospam-CE6266.18553015102013@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #49980 |
In article <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > In article <l3jbif$he$1@news.albasani.net>, > William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> wrote: > > > I just received an unexpected pay bonus at work and I'm going to treat > > myself to a nice new MacBook Pro. Just wondering though, should I > > install an anti virus program? > > > > Some people say you really ought to do that now days. Others say it's > > still not necessary-- creating more problems than it solves. > > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? The word Symantec is the answer to that question. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-10-15 20:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl5ra78.10kd.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #49980 |
In message <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net> Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > In article <l3jbif$he$1@news.albasani.net>, > William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> wrote: >> I just received an unexpected pay bonus at work and I'm going to treat >> myself to a nice new MacBook Pro. Just wondering though, should I >> install an anti virus program? >> >> Some people say you really ought to do that now days. Others say it's >> still not necessary-- creating more problems than it solves. > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? You can go wrong by installing Symantec software on your computer. -- Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in The Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was The Walrus. I could be The Walrus and I'd still have to bum rides off of people.
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| From | Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-15 17:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <aIedneWa46-uLcDPnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #50009 |
In article <slrnl5ra78.10kd.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net> > Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > > In article <l3jbif$he$1@news.albasani.net>, > > William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> wrote: > > >> I just received an unexpected pay bonus at work and I'm going to treat > >> myself to a nice new MacBook Pro. Just wondering though, should I > >> install an anti virus program? > >> > >> Some people say you really ought to do that now days. Others say it's > >> still not necessary-- creating more problems than it solves. > > > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? > > You can go wrong by installing Symantec software on your computer. Back when I still used Windows, I came to the conclusion that most Symantec SW *WAS* a virus... -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe
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| From | dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2013-10-16 10:13 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dorayme-F69132.10132216102013@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #49980 |
In article <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? You can go wrong, if it is not necessary, by having yet another program running, updating constantly, using up time and resources. And who knows what increased probabilities of bugs, false positives, true negatives, neutral equivocates will result. I use Avast, free version, on Virtual Box for my Windows and that is a necessary but a bit of a nuisance, always running out of date, always taking ages to update and check, always giving MS time to complain that the virus program may be out of date and do I want to read why it is very important to have good virus etc programs, mostly eventually announcing that it is now updated after I have been in to check a website and wanting to get out of VB already. Such a pleasure to get back into Mac proper! -- dorayme
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-10-16 13:35 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1lau5eu.1li69c81kj7verN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #50016 |
dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > In article > <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, > Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? > > You can go wrong, if it is not necessary, by having yet another > program running, updating constantly, using up time and resources. And > who knows what increased probabilities of bugs, false positives, true > negatives, neutral equivocates will result. > > I use Avast, free version, on Virtual Box for my Windows and that is a > necessary but a bit of a nuisance, always running out of date, always > taking ages to update and check, always giving MS time to complain > that the virus program may be out of date and do I want to read why it > is very important to have good virus etc programs, mostly eventually > announcing that it is now updated after I have been in to check a > website and wanting to get out of VB already. Such a pleasure to get > back into Mac proper! In Windows using virtualization? Why not forget the AV and just keep snapshots to revert to if anything goes wrong? Most virtualization apps offer automatic taking and backup of snapshots each time the VM is run, and periodically during operation, so it's not even something you have to remember to do. Unless you're doing silly things security-wise (do you download and run strange files, open strange and/or unexpected attachments, visit dodgy websites with Javascript and plugins active, fail to apply updates, etc?), you're unlikely to have a problem without AV in Windows. And in Virtualisation it makes even less sense to run Windows AV, given the ease of backing up the VM environment's state, and reverting to a previous state. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2013-10-19 22:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nospam-649DDB.22541819102013@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #50021 |
In article <1lau5eu.1li69c81kj7verN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > In article > > <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, > > Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > > > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? > > > > You can go wrong, if it is not necessary, by having yet another > > program running, updating constantly, using up time and resources. And > > who knows what increased probabilities of bugs, false positives, true > > negatives, neutral equivocates will result. > > > > I use Avast, free version, on Virtual Box for my Windows and that is a > > necessary but a bit of a nuisance, always running out of date, always > > taking ages to update and check, always giving MS time to complain > > that the virus program may be out of date and do I want to read why it > > is very important to have good virus etc programs, mostly eventually > > announcing that it is now updated after I have been in to check a > > website and wanting to get out of VB already. Such a pleasure to get > > back into Mac proper! > > In Windows using virtualization? Why not forget the AV and just keep > snapshots to revert to if anything goes wrong? Most virtualization apps > offer automatic taking and backup of snapshots each time the VM is run, > and periodically during operation, so it's not even something you have > to remember to do. > > Unless you're doing silly things security-wise (do you download and run > strange files, open strange and/or unexpected attachments, visit dodgy > websites with Javascript and plugins active, fail to apply updates, > etc?), you're unlikely to have a problem without AV in Windows. And in > Virtualisation it makes even less sense to run Windows AV, given the > ease of backing up the VM environment's state, and reverting to a > previous state. The problem with that approach is that you probably want to apply the monthly security patches so you can't stay with the same snapshot forever. That increases the chance you will pick up a nasty along the way. -- Paul Sture
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| From | dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2013-10-20 11:23 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dorayme-9AEEA5.11234520102013@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #50227 |
In article <nospam-649DDB.22541819102013@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > In article <1lau5eu.1li69c81kj7verN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, > jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > In article > > > <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, > > > Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > > > > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? > > > > > > You can go wrong, if it is not necessary, by having yet another > > > program running, updating constantly, using up time and resources. And > > > who knows what increased probabilities of bugs, false positives, true > > > negatives, neutral equivocates will result. > > > > > > I use Avast, free version, on Virtual Box for my Windows and that is a > > > necessary but a bit of a nuisance, always running out of date, always > > > taking ages to update and check, always giving MS time to complain > > > that the virus program may be out of date and do I want to read why it > > > is very important to have good virus etc programs, mostly eventually > > > announcing that it is now updated after I have been in to check a > > > website and wanting to get out of VB already. Such a pleasure to get > > > back into Mac proper! > > > > In Windows using virtualization? Why not forget the AV and just keep > > snapshots to revert to if anything goes wrong? Most virtualization apps > > offer automatic taking and backup of snapshots each time the VM is run, > > and periodically during operation, so it's not even something you have > > to remember to do. > > > > Unless you're doing silly things security-wise (do you download and run > > strange files, open strange and/or unexpected attachments, visit dodgy > > websites with Javascript and plugins active, fail to apply updates, > > etc?), you're unlikely to have a problem without AV in Windows. And in > > Virtualisation it makes even less sense to run Windows AV, given the > > ease of backing up the VM environment's state, and reverting to a > > previous state. > > The problem with that approach is that you probably want to apply the > monthly security patches so you can't stay with the same snapshot > forever. That increases the chance you will pick up a nasty along the > way. Exactly. -- dorayme
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-10-21 23:24 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1lb466b.sahjrdpqomjrN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #50232 |
dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > In article <nospam-649DDB.22541819102013@news.chingola.ch>, > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > > > In article <1lau5eu.1li69c81kj7verN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, > > jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > > > dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > > > <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, > > > > Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > > > > > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? > > > > > > > > You can go wrong, if it is not necessary, by having yet another > > > > program running, updating constantly, using up time and resources. And > > > > who knows what increased probabilities of bugs, false positives, true > > > > negatives, neutral equivocates will result. > > > > > > > > I use Avast, free version, on Virtual Box for my Windows and that is a > > > > necessary but a bit of a nuisance, always running out of date, always > > > > taking ages to update and check, always giving MS time to complain > > > > that the virus program may be out of date and do I want to read why it > > > > is very important to have good virus etc programs, mostly eventually > > > > announcing that it is now updated after I have been in to check a > > > > website and wanting to get out of VB already. Such a pleasure to get > > > > back into Mac proper! > > > > > > In Windows using virtualization? Why not forget the AV and just keep > > > snapshots to revert to if anything goes wrong? Most virtualization apps > > > offer automatic taking and backup of snapshots each time the VM is run, > > > and periodically during operation, so it's not even something you have > > > to remember to do. > > > > > > Unless you're doing silly things security-wise (do you download and run > > > strange files, open strange and/or unexpected attachments, visit dodgy > > > websites with Javascript and plugins active, fail to apply updates, > > > etc?), you're unlikely to have a problem without AV in Windows. And in > > > Virtualisation it makes even less sense to run Windows AV, given the > > > ease of backing up the VM environment's state, and reverting to a > > > previous state. > > > > The problem with that approach is that you probably want to apply the > > monthly security patches so you can't stay with the same snapshot > > forever. That increases the chance you will pick up a nasty along the > > way. > > Exactly. I never meant to stay with only the one snapshot. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2013-10-19 22:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nospam-0CF0F6.22503419102013@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #50016 |
In article <dorayme-F69132.10132216102013@news.albasani.net>, dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > In article > <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, > Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? > > You can go wrong, if it is not necessary, by having yet another > program running, updating constantly, using up time and resources. And > who knows what increased probabilities of bugs, false positives, true > negatives, neutral equivocates will result. > > I use Avast, free version, on Virtual Box for my Windows and that is a > necessary but a bit of a nuisance, always running out of date, always > taking ages to update and check, always giving MS time to complain > that the virus program may be out of date and do I want to read why it > is very important to have good virus etc programs, mostly eventually > announcing that it is now updated after I have been in to check a > website and wanting to get out of VB already. Such a pleasure to get > back into Mac proper! I use Microsoft Security Essentials, which is also free. It gets regular updates, usually once a day. When I first started using it, it was only available for Windows 7, but I gather that XP got included later. -- Paul Sture
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| From | dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2013-10-20 11:22 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dorayme-D55AB7.11222520102013@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #50226 |
In article <nospam-0CF0F6.22503419102013@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > In article <dorayme-F69132.10132216102013@news.albasani.net>, > dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > In article > > <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, > > Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > > > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? > > > > You can go wrong, if it is not necessary, by having yet another > > program running, updating constantly, using up time and resources. And > > who knows what increased probabilities of bugs, false positives, true > > negatives, neutral equivocates will result. > > > > I use Avast, free version, on Virtual Box for my Windows and that is a > > necessary but a bit of a nuisance, always running out of date, always > > taking ages to update and check, always giving MS time to complain > > that the virus program may be out of date and do I want to read why it > > is very important to have good virus etc programs, mostly eventually > > announcing that it is now updated after I have been in to check a > > website and wanting to get out of VB already. Such a pleasure to get > > back into Mac proper! > > I use Microsoft Security Essentials, which is also free. It gets > regular updates, usually once a day. > > When I first started using it, it was only available for Windows 7, but > I gather that XP got included later. Thanks for the tip, can you use both? -- dorayme
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2013-10-20 12:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nospam-4A7634.12395920102013@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #50231 |
In article <dorayme-D55AB7.11222520102013@news.albasani.net>, dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > In article <nospam-0CF0F6.22503419102013@news.chingola.ch>, > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > > > In article <dorayme-F69132.10132216102013@news.albasani.net>, > > dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > In article > > > <lybanon-6A0DCC.08090915102013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, > > > Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > > You can get iAntivirus (a Symantec program) free from the App Store. > > > > How can you go wrong by getting and using it? > > > > > > You can go wrong, if it is not necessary, by having yet another > > > program running, updating constantly, using up time and resources. And > > > who knows what increased probabilities of bugs, false positives, true > > > negatives, neutral equivocates will result. > > > > > > I use Avast, free version, on Virtual Box for my Windows and that is a > > > necessary but a bit of a nuisance, always running out of date, always > > > taking ages to update and check, always giving MS time to complain > > > that the virus program may be out of date and do I want to read why it > > > is very important to have good virus etc programs, mostly eventually > > > announcing that it is now updated after I have been in to check a > > > website and wanting to get out of VB already. Such a pleasure to get > > > back into Mac proper! > > > > I use Microsoft Security Essentials, which is also free. It gets > > regular updates, usually once a day. > > > > When I first started using it, it was only available for Windows 7, but > > I gather that XP got included later. > > Thanks for the tip, can you use both? As far as I recall, MSE bleats if it finds another antivirus package on the system, but it's several years since I tried that. Try it and see seems the best approach. -- Paul Sture
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-15 09:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <151020130935393259%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #49977 |
In article <l3jbif$he$1@news.albasani.net>, William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> wrote: > I just received an unexpected pay bonus at work and I'm going to treat > myself to a nice new MacBook Pro. Just wondering though, should I > install an anti virus program? no. it's not needed.
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| From | "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-15 07:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <151020130700166613%mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #49977 |
In article <l3jbif$he$1@news.albasani.net>, William Munny <will@bigwhiskey.gov> wrote: > I just received an unexpected pay bonus at work and I'm going to treat > myself to a nice new MacBook Pro. Just wondering though, should I > install an anti virus program? > > Some people say you really ought to do that now days. Others say it's > still not necessary-- creating more problems than it solves. What's it going to protect you from?
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2013-10-15 15:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l3jogu$or8$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #49986 |
Mr. Strat <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> asks:
> What's it going to protect you from?
Some info is here -
http://www.sophos.com/en-us/products/free-tools/sophos-antivirus-for-mac-home-edition.aspx
My incoming email is filtered though Sophos, but
that doesn't run on an Mac. I do think they are
a decent company, and if you must, would be a
good choice. There is some overhead (CPU & I/O)
here, but with a new computer it should not be
all that bad.
Billy Y..
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| From | Howard.not@home.com (Howard) |
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| Date | 2013-10-20 15:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1lb1oig.18zn952153c9d4N%Howard.not@home.com> |
| In reply to | #49991 |
<billy@MIX.COM> wrote: > Mr. Strat <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> asks: > > > What's it going to protect you from? > > Some info is here - > > http://www.sophos.com/en-us/products/free-tools/sophos-antivirus-for-mac-h > ome-edition.aspx > > My incoming email is filtered though Sophos, but > that doesn't run on an Mac. I do think they are > a decent company, and if you must, would be a > good choice. There is some overhead (CPU & I/O) > here, but with a new computer it should not be > all that bad. > So ... anti virus sellers ..... as a source for assessing the threat of virus's. Waste of money. -- Howard
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