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  1Password 4 is out Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 15:28 -0400
    Re: 1Password 4 is out Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 12:37 -0700
      Re: 1Password 4 is out Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 15:57 -0400
        Re: 1Password 4 is out Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-05 16:45 -0400
          Re: 1Password 4 is out Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 17:51 -0400
            Re: 1Password 4 is out Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-05 18:07 -0400
              Re: 1Password 4 is out Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 18:15 -0400
                Re: 1Password 4 is out Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-05 19:24 -0400
                  Re: 1Password 4 is out Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 19:27 -0400
                    Re: 1Password 4 is out Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-05 20:59 -0400
                    Re: 1Password 4 is out dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2013-10-06 14:08 +0100
                      Re: 1Password 4 is out Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-06 11:09 -0400
                        Re: 1Password 4 is out Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-06 13:51 -0700
                          Re: 1Password 4 is out Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-08 13:18 +0200
                Re: 1Password 4 is out Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-06 13:49 -0700
                  Re: 1Password 4 is out Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-06 17:13 -0400
                    Re: 1Password 4 is out Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-08 13:05 +0200
                      Re: 1Password 4 is out Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-08 07:23 -0700
                      Re: 1Password 4 is out Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-08 16:44 -0400
                        Re: 1Password 4 is out Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-08 16:26 -0700
                          Re: 1Password 4 is out Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-08 20:37 -0400
                  Re: 1Password 4 is out Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-07 11:51 -0400
                    Re: 1Password 4 is out Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-07 12:43 -0400
                    Re: 1Password 4 is out nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-07 15:26 -0400
                    Re: 1Password 4 is out nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2013-10-07 14:35 -0600
                      Re: 1Password 4 is out Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-08 12:18 -0400
                    Re: 1Password 4 is out Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-08 12:59 +0000
                  Re: 1Password 4 is out Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-08 12:59 +0200
                    Re: 1Password 4 is out Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-08 16:45 -0400
                      Re: 1Password 4 is out dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2013-10-09 07:44 +0100
                        Re: 1Password 4 is out nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-09 03:08 -0400
                        Re: 1Password 4 is out Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-09 07:42 -0700
                          Re: 1Password 4 is out dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2013-10-09 17:12 +0100
                            Re: 1Password 4 is out nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-09 13:09 -0400
                            Re: 1Password 4 is out nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2013-10-09 11:19 -0600
                              Re: 1Password 4 is out Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-10 16:48 +0200
                          Re: 1Password 4 is out Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-09 16:25 +0000
                            Re: 1Password 4 is out nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-09 13:09 -0400
                            Re: 1Password 4 is out Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-09 10:31 -0700
                              Re: 1Password 4 is out Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-09 21:28 +0000
                                Re: 1Password 4 is out nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-09 19:18 -0400
                                Re: 1Password 4 is out Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-09 16:31 -0700
                                  Re: 1Password 4 is out Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-09 23:50 +0000
                                    Re: 1Password 4 is out Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-09 17:25 -0700
                                      Re: 1Password 4 is out nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-10 00:25 -0400
                                        Re: 1Password 4 is out Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-09 22:26 -0700
                                      Re: 1Password 4 is out Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-10 04:28 +0000
                                        Re: 1Password 4 is out Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-10 07:24 -0700
                                          Re: 1Password 4 is out Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-10 16:24 +0000
                                            Re: 1Password 4 is out Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-10 18:07 -0700
                        Re: 1Password 4 is out Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-09 17:14 -0400
            Re: 1Password 4 is out Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 16:31 -0700
        Re: 1Password 4 is out Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 16:30 -0700

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#49454 — 1Password 4 is out

Released a couple days ago.

Upgrade: $24.99 or
          no-charge if prior version bought after 2013.01.01

Just installed.  You need to remove the extensions from your browsers 
for previous versions (Chrome/Firefox) and install anew - Safari seems 
to only need the install (no removal).  Retains the prior account data.


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illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49455

In article <Z_adnX5rYM7C9c3PnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Released a couple days ago.
> 
> Upgrade: $24.99 or
>           no-charge if prior version bought after 2013.01.01
> 
> Just installed.  You need to remove the extensions from your browsers 
> for previous versions (Chrome/Firefox) and install anew - Safari seems 
> to only need the install (no removal).  Retains the prior account data.

If you bought the prior version through the App Store, there's no charge 
regardless of when you bought it.

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All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#49459

On 2013.10.05 15:37 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <Z_adnX5rYM7C9c3PnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Released a couple days ago.
>>
>> Upgrade: $24.99 or
>>            no-charge if prior version bought after 2013.01.01
>>
>> Just installed.  You need to remove the extensions from your browsers
>> for previous versions (Chrome/Firefox) and install anew - Safari seems
>> to only need the install (no removal).  Retains the prior account data.
>
> If you bought the prior version through the App Store, there's no charge
> regardless of when you bought it.

Did you update it via the App store for no charge?  This is not a 
maintenance release, it's a new edition.

IAC I did not buy it from the App store because I missed a sale by a few 
days and became petulant and complained to Agilebits and they gave me 
the discount anyway (with a coupon code) by ordering from their site.

I think agilebits are fearing the new Mavericks feature along these 
lines - although it might only work within Safari.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49468

In article <PqmdnZwltMy08s3PnZ2dnUVZ_vwAAAAA@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.10.05 15:37 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > In article <Z_adnX5rYM7C9c3PnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Released a couple days ago.
> >>
> >> Upgrade: $24.99 or
> >>            no-charge if prior version bought after 2013.01.01
> >>
> >> Just installed.  You need to remove the extensions from your browsers
> >> for previous versions (Chrome/Firefox) and install anew - Safari seems
> >> to only need the install (no removal).  Retains the prior account data.
> >
> > If you bought the prior version through the App Store, there's no charge
> > regardless of when you bought it.
> 
> Did you update it via the App store for no charge?  This is not a 
> maintenance release, it's a new edition.

I did and yes, it is a new version.
> 
> IAC I did not buy it from the App store because I missed a sale by a few 
> days and became petulant and complained to Agilebits and they gave me 
> the discount anyway (with a coupon code) by ordering from their site.
> 
> I think agilebits are fearing the new Mavericks feature along these 
> lines - although it might only work within Safari.

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

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#49479

On 2013.10.05 16:45 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> In article <PqmdnZwltMy08s3PnZ2dnUVZ_vwAAAAA@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2013.10.05 15:37 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>> In article <Z_adnX5rYM7C9c3PnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Released a couple days ago.
>>>>
>>>> Upgrade: $24.99 or
>>>>             no-charge if prior version bought after 2013.01.01
>>>>
>>>> Just installed.  You need to remove the extensions from your browsers
>>>> for previous versions (Chrome/Firefox) and install anew - Safari seems
>>>> to only need the install (no removal).  Retains the prior account data.
>>>
>>> If you bought the prior version through the App Store, there's no charge
>>> regardless of when you bought it.
>>
>> Did you update it via the App store for no charge?  This is not a
>> maintenance release, it's a new edition.
>
> I did and yes, it is a new version.

And - to be completely anal - was your version 3 purchased before 2013?


-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49481

In article <XqOdnSZ7HpdxFM3PnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.10.05 16:45 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> > In article <PqmdnZwltMy08s3PnZ2dnUVZ_vwAAAAA@giganews.com>,
> >   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2013.10.05 15:37 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> >>> In article <Z_adnX5rYM7C9c3PnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Released a couple days ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> Upgrade: $24.99 or
> >>>>             no-charge if prior version bought after 2013.01.01
> >>>>
> >>>> Just installed.  You need to remove the extensions from your browsers
> >>>> for previous versions (Chrome/Firefox) and install anew - Safari seems
> >>>> to only need the install (no removal).  Retains the prior account data.
> >>>
> >>> If you bought the prior version through the App Store, there's no charge
> >>> regardless of when you bought it.
> >>
> >> Did you update it via the App store for no charge?  This is not a
> >> maintenance release, it's a new edition.
> >
> > I did and yes, it is a new version.
> 
> And - to be completely anal - was your version 3 purchased before 2013?

Yes. Original purchase in 2009 from Agilebits. Subsequent update to app 
store version (probably on some sort of "deal") in 2011. Continued 
updates from app store since then, including to V4

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

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#49482

On 2013.10.05 18:07 , Tom Stiller wrote:

> Yes. Original purchase in 2009 from Agilebits. Subsequent update to app
> store version (probably on some sort of "deal") in 2011. Continued
> updates from app store since then, including to V4

I find this a bit bizarre.

Agile charge the full price (or specials) on their website; and the same 
price (full or special) on the App Store - of which Apple take a 30% cut.

But when you update by agilebits you have to pay for the update (unless 
like me you bought v3 from them in this calendar year); but from Apple 
(the channel where they make less money) they update for free.  (Their 
site directs you there too).


-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49487

In article <V8mdnYEAjK_wEs3PnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.10.05 18:07 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> 
> > Yes. Original purchase in 2009 from Agilebits. Subsequent update to app
> > store version (probably on some sort of "deal") in 2011. Continued
> > updates from app store since then, including to V4
> 
> I find this a bit bizarre.
> 
> Agile charge the full price (or specials) on their website; and the same 
> price (full or special) on the App Store - of which Apple take a 30% cut.
> 
> But when you update by agilebits you have to pay for the update (unless 
> like me you bought v3 from them in this calendar year); but from Apple 
> (the channel where they make less money) they update for free.  (Their 
> site directs you there too).

I can only speculate that the spread is covered by offloading the 
billing, payment, and verification of the original purchase to Apple.

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

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#49488

On 2013.10.05 19:24 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> In article <V8mdnYEAjK_wEs3PnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2013.10.05 18:07 , Tom Stiller wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. Original purchase in 2009 from Agilebits. Subsequent update to app
>>> store version (probably on some sort of "deal") in 2011. Continued
>>> updates from app store since then, including to V4
>>
>> I find this a bit bizarre.
>>
>> Agile charge the full price (or specials) on their website; and the same
>> price (full or special) on the App Store - of which Apple take a 30% cut.
>>
>> But when you update by agilebits you have to pay for the update (unless
>> like me you bought v3 from them in this calendar year); but from Apple
>> (the channel where they make less money) they update for free.  (Their
>> site directs you there too).
>
> I can only speculate that the spread is covered by offloading the
> billing, payment, and verification of the original purchase to Apple.

It's not the spread but the uneven treatment of customers as determinned 
by purchase channel that irks me.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49497

In article <X9idnXaK-vXmPc3PnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.10.05 19:24 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> > In article <V8mdnYEAjK_wEs3PnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2013.10.05 18:07 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes. Original purchase in 2009 from Agilebits. Subsequent update to app
> >>> store version (probably on some sort of "deal") in 2011. Continued
> >>> updates from app store since then, including to V4
> >>
> >> I find this a bit bizarre.
> >>
> >> Agile charge the full price (or specials) on their website; and the same
> >> price (full or special) on the App Store - of which Apple take a 30% cut.
> >>
> >> But when you update by agilebits you have to pay for the update (unless
> >> like me you bought v3 from them in this calendar year); but from Apple
> >> (the channel where they make less money) they update for free.  (Their
> >> site directs you there too).
> >
> > I can only speculate that the spread is covered by offloading the
> > billing, payment, and verification of the original purchase to Apple.
> 
> It's not the spread but the uneven treatment of customers as determinned 
> by purchase channel that irks me.

Understood.

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

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#49522

Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.10.05 19:24 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> > In article <V8mdnYEAjK_wEs3PnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2013.10.05 18:07 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes. Original purchase in 2009 from Agilebits. Subsequent update to app
> >>> store version (probably on some sort of "deal") in 2011. Continued
> >>> updates from app store since then, including to V4
> >>
> >> I find this a bit bizarre.
> >>
> >> Agile charge the full price (or specials) on their website; and the same
> >> price (full or special) on the App Store - of which Apple take a 30% cut.
> >>
> >> But when you update by agilebits you have to pay for the update (unless
> >> like me you bought v3 from them in this calendar year); but from Apple
> >> (the channel where they make less money) they update for free.  (Their
> >> site directs you there too).
> >
> > I can only speculate that the spread is covered by offloading the
> > billing, payment, and verification of the original purchase to Apple.
> 
> It's not the spread but the uneven treatment of customers as determinned
> by purchase channel that irks me.

Maybe they expected to release version 4 much sooner than actually
happened.

They always promised, right from the release of the App Store version,
that it would include a free upgrade to version 4. I bought the App
Store version ages ago although I already had the version from the web
site, specifically because of the promise of the free upgrade. I
reckoned also that I was willing to support them by paying them money
when I did not need to.
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#49526

On 2013.10.06 09:08 , Daniel Cohen wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2013.10.05 19:24 , Tom Stiller wrote:
>>> In article <V8mdnYEAjK_wEs3PnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2013.10.05 18:07 , Tom Stiller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Original purchase in 2009 from Agilebits. Subsequent update to app
>>>>> store version (probably on some sort of "deal") in 2011. Continued
>>>>> updates from app store since then, including to V4
>>>>
>>>> I find this a bit bizarre.
>>>>
>>>> Agile charge the full price (or specials) on their website; and the same
>>>> price (full or special) on the App Store - of which Apple take a 30% cut.
>>>>
>>>> But when you update by agilebits you have to pay for the update (unless
>>>> like me you bought v3 from them in this calendar year); but from Apple
>>>> (the channel where they make less money) they update for free.  (Their
>>>> site directs you there too).
>>>
>>> I can only speculate that the spread is covered by offloading the
>>> billing, payment, and verification of the original purchase to Apple.
>>
>> It's not the spread but the uneven treatment of customers as determinned
>> by purchase channel that irks me.
>
> Maybe they expected to release version 4 much sooner than actually
> happened.
>
> They always promised, right from the release of the App Store version,
> that it would include a free upgrade to version 4. I bought the App
> Store version ages ago although I already had the version from the web
> site, specifically because of the promise of the free upgrade. I
> reckoned also that I was willing to support them by paying them money
> when I did not need to.

The odd thing with Agilebits is they set the price relatively high and 
then have sales or promos all the time with prices cut down 50% or so.

IMO they'd be far better off to set a lower (than their current full) 
price and just stick to it and focus on marketing the product.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49570

On 2013-10-06 15:09:18 +0000, Alan Browne said:
> The odd thing with Agilebits is they set the price relatively high and 
> then have sales or promos all the time with prices cut down 50% or so.

True enough.  I didn't purchase it for years, even after folks had been 
raving about it, because it was so much money.  Then I got it in a 
bundle (it was the main reason I bought that bundle, in fact, but some 
of the other apps turned out to be absolutely great).
> 
> IMO they'd be far better off to set a lower (than their current full) 
> price and just stick to it and focus on marketing the product.

Strongly agreed.  For $10 or $15, they could sell the hell out of it.

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#49688

In article <l2sig3$n4j$1@reader1.panix.com>,
 Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> On 2013-10-06 15:09:18 +0000, Alan Browne said:
> > The odd thing with Agilebits is they set the price relatively high and 
> > then have sales or promos all the time with prices cut down 50% or so.
> 
> True enough.  I didn't purchase it for years, even after folks had been 
> raving about it, because it was so much money.  Then I got it in a 
> bundle (it was the main reason I bought that bundle, in fact, but some 
> of the other apps turned out to be absolutely great).

Yep.  I put it off for ages because of the price but there was a special 
offer on at the time (Thanksgiving IIRC).
 
> > IMO they'd be far better off to set a lower (than their current full) 
> > price and just stick to it and focus on marketing the product.
> 
> Strongly agreed.  For $10 or $15, they could sell the hell out of it.

Absolutely. It's currently being advertised under "Editor's Choice" in 
the App Store.

"There are no reviews for the current version of this application. See 
all 34 reviews for previous versions.

Be the first to write a review"

Ooh. Don't tempt me, for it won't be pretty :-(

-- 
Paul Sture

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#49569

On 2013-10-05 22:15:08 +0000, Alan Browne said:

> On 2013.10.05 18:07 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> 
>> Yes. Original purchase in 2009 from Agilebits. Subsequent update to app
>> store version (probably on some sort of "deal") in 2011. Continued
>> updates from app store since then, including to V4
> 
> I find this a bit bizarre.
> 
> Agile charge the full price (or specials) on their website; and the 
> same price (full or special) on the App Store - of which Apple take a 
> 30% cut.

Apple rules.  As I understand it, you are not allowed to sell something 
outside the App Store (or an in-app purchase) for any less than you 
sell it on the outside.

There may be an exception for special upgrades, I guess, since the App 
store doesn't have any means for working discounted upgrades.

> 
> But when you update by agilebits you have to pay for the update (unless 
> like me you bought v3 from them in this calendar year); but from Apple 
> (the channel where they make less money) they update for free.  (Their 
> site directs you there too).

Sometimes a new version of an app is free.  Sometimes, when the 
developer releases a new "version" it's actually a whole new app, even 
though it may have an incremented number in the name.

The question re: 1Password is whether it's a new app called "1password 
4" or it's version 4 of "1Password".

(I bought 1Password previously in a bundle and then, I believe may have 
done one level of upgrade at some point directly from Agile, and am 
planning on but haven't yet upgraded to 4 directly with Agile)

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#49577

On 2013.10.06 16:49 , Bread wrote:
> On 2013-10-05 22:15:08 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>
>> On 2013.10.05 18:07 , Tom Stiller wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. Original purchase in 2009 from Agilebits. Subsequent update to app
>>> store version (probably on some sort of "deal") in 2011. Continued
>>> updates from app store since then, including to V4
>>
>> I find this a bit bizarre.
>>
>> Agile charge the full price (or specials) on their website; and the
>> same price (full or special) on the App Store - of which Apple take a
>> 30% cut.
>
> Apple rules.  As I understand it, you are not allowed to sell something
> outside the App Store (or an in-app purchase) for any less than you sell
> it on the outside.
>
> There may be an exception for special upgrades, I guess, since the App
> store doesn't have any means for working discounted upgrades.

This is the opposite: get the free upgrade if you bought 1Password 3 via 
the App Store at any time; but if you get the upgrade from Agilebits 
(because that's where you bought it in the first place) and it was 
before 2013 - you have to pay.

The App Store does show discount prices from time to time.  I almost 
bought 1Password 3 there when it was at 1/2 price.

>>
>> But when you update by agilebits you have to pay for the update
>> (unless like me you bought v3 from them in this calendar year); but
>> from Apple (the channel where they make less money) they update for
>> free.  (Their site directs you there too).
>
> Sometimes a new version of an app is free.  Sometimes, when the
> developer releases a new "version" it's actually a whole new app, even
> though it may have an incremented number in the name.
>
> The question re: 1Password is whether it's a new app called "1password
> 4" or it's version 4 of "1Password".

Oh I get that approach - this is why there are so many apps on the 
iTunes store - a lot of them are versions of another ("Lite", "XL", 
"Super-", etc...).

They label it as "1 Password 4".

The previous (1 P 3) was version 3.0...

Now it's 4.0.1

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
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#49687

In article <0pSdnT7zE9DwT8zPnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.10.06 16:49 , Bread wrote:
> > On 2013-10-05 22:15:08 +0000, Alan Browne said:
> >
> >> On 2013.10.05 18:07 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes. Original purchase in 2009 from Agilebits. Subsequent update to app
> >>> store version (probably on some sort of "deal") in 2011. Continued
> >>> updates from app store since then, including to V4
> >>
> >> I find this a bit bizarre.
> >>
> >> Agile charge the full price (or specials) on their website; and the
> >> same price (full or special) on the App Store - of which Apple take a
> >> 30% cut.
> >
> > Apple rules.  As I understand it, you are not allowed to sell something
> > outside the App Store (or an in-app purchase) for any less than you sell
> > it on the outside.
> >
> > There may be an exception for special upgrades, I guess, since the App
> > store doesn't have any means for working discounted upgrades.
> 
> This is the opposite: get the free upgrade if you bought 1Password 3 via 
> the App Store at any time; but if you get the upgrade from Agilebits 
> (because that's where you bought it in the first place) and it was 
> before 2013 - you have to pay.
> 
> The App Store does show discount prices from time to time.  I almost 
> bought 1Password 3 there when it was at 1/2 price.
> 
> >>
> >> But when you update by agilebits you have to pay for the update
> >> (unless like me you bought v3 from them in this calendar year); but
> >> from Apple (the channel where they make less money) they update for
> >> free.  (Their site directs you there too).
> >
> > Sometimes a new version of an app is free.  Sometimes, when the
> > developer releases a new "version" it's actually a whole new app, even
> > though it may have an incremented number in the name.
> >
> > The question re: 1Password is whether it's a new app called "1password
> > 4" or it's version 4 of "1Password".
> 
> Oh I get that approach - this is why there are so many apps on the 
> iTunes store - a lot of them are versions of another ("Lite", "XL", 
> "Super-", etc...).
> 
> They label it as "1 Password 4".
> 
> The previous (1 P 3) was version 3.0...
> 
> Now it's 4.0.1

But the version that arrived from App Store on Friday says 4.0.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#49695

In article <nospam-9A6DF4.13050808102013@news.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> > They label it as "1 Password 4".
> > 
> > The previous (1 P 3) was version 3.0...
> > 
> > Now it's 4.0.1
> 
> But the version that arrived from App Store on Friday says 4.0.

Same here, and according to the Mac App Store, it's still 4.0.  Maybe 4.0.1 
is a bug fix for the direct-buy version.

-- 
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#49713

On 2013.10.08 07:05 , Paul Sture wrote:
> In article <0pSdnT7zE9DwT8zPnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

>> Now it's 4.0.1
>
> But the version that arrived from App Store on Friday says 4.0.

I got it from Agilebits - not the App Store - 4.0.1

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49721

In article <bLGdnfVq_9E_88nPnZ2dnUVZ_ukAAAAA@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.10.08 07:05 , Paul Sture wrote:
> > In article <0pSdnT7zE9DwT8zPnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> >> Now it's 4.0.1
> >
> > But the version that arrived from App Store on Friday says 4.0.
> 
> I got it from Agilebits - not the App Store - 4.0.1

I just downloaded it from Agilbits; it downloaded 4.0.1, but I immediately 
got a dialog asking whether I want to upgrade to 4.0.2.

Curiously, the release notes on their web site goes up to 3.8.21, and stops 
there.  The user guide at the web site is still for version 3.

Oh, and the Mac App Store still has only 4.0.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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