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  Adobe Security Breach JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-10-03 16:59 -0400
    Re: Adobe Security Breach Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-03 17:06 -0400
      Re: Adobe Security Breach Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-04 00:04 -0700
      Re: Adobe Security Breach Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-04 18:27 -0400
    Re: Adobe Security Breach Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-04 18:09 +1200
      Re: Adobe Security Breach nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-04 02:37 -0400
      Re: Adobe Security Breach generic name <No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> - 2013-10-04 15:38 +0000
        Re: Adobe Security Breach nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-04 12:22 -0400
          Re: Adobe Security Breach generic name <No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> - 2013-10-05 01:20 +0000
            Re: Adobe Security Breach nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-04 21:32 -0400
              Re: Adobe Security Breach generic name <No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> - 2013-10-05 16:20 +0000
                Re: Adobe Security Breach nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-05 12:45 -0400
                  Re: Adobe Security Breach generic name <No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> - 2013-10-05 19:50 +0000
                    Re: Adobe Security Breach nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-05 16:10 -0400
                      Re: Adobe Security Breach generic name <No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> - 2013-10-06 02:50 +0000
                        Re: Adobe Security Breach Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 20:01 -0700
                        Re: Adobe Security Breach nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-05 23:37 -0400
                    Re: Adobe Security Breach Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-05 16:39 -0700
                      Re: Adobe Security Breach Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-05 19:43 -0400
                      Re: Adobe Security Breach Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-06 14:29 +0000
                        Re: Adobe Security Breach Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-06 08:32 -0700
                          Re: Adobe Security Breach dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-08 10:00 +1300
            Re: Adobe Security Breach Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-05 09:25 +0200

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#49301 — Adobe Security Breach

http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/

Basically, Adobe's systems were hacked and customer names/password and
possibly credit card data was stolen, Adobe will be contacting affected
customers via email to advide of situation.

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#49302

On 2013.10.03 16:59 , JF Mezei wrote:
> http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/
>
> Basically, Adobe's systems were hacked and customer names/password and
> possibly credit card data was stolen, Adobe will be contacting affected
> customers via email to advide of situation.

The posting claims such data was encrypted - all to the good.  Better 
they shouldn't hold it at all.

I've received no notice to date.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49318

On 2013-10-03 14:06:43 -0700, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:

> On 2013.10.03 16:59 , JF Mezei wrote:
>> http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/
>> 
>> Basically, Adobe's systems were hacked and customer names/password and
>> possibly credit card data was stolen, Adobe will be contacting affected
>> customers via email to advide of situation.
> 
> The posting claims such data was encrypted - all to the good.  Better 
> they shouldn't hold it at all.
> 
> I've received no notice to date.

I just got mine at 11:13.

"We recently discovered that attackers illegally entered our network. 
The attackers may have obtained access to your Adobe ID and encrypted 
password. We currently have no indication that there has been 
unauthorized activity on your account. If you have placed an order with 
us, information such as your name, encrypted payment card number, and 
card expiration date also may have been accessed. We do not believe any 
decrypted card numbers were removed from our systems.

To prevent unauthorized access to your account, we have reset your 
password. Please visit www.adobe.com/go/passwordreset to create a new 
password. We recommend that you also change your password on any 
website where you use the same user ID or password. As always, please 
be cautious when responding to any email seeking your personal 
information.

We also recommend that you monitor your account for incidents of fraud 
and identity theft, including regularly reviewing your account 
statements and monitoring credit reports. If you discover any 
suspicious or unusual activity on your account or suspect identity 
theft or fraud, you should report it immediately to your bank. You will 
be receiving a letter from us shortly that provides more information on 
this matter.

We deeply regret any inconvenience this may cause you. We value the 
trust of our customers and we will work aggressively to prevent these 
types of events from occurring in the future. If you have questions, 
you can learn more by visiting our Customer Alert page, which you will 
find here. "




-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#49386

On 2013.10.03 17:06 , Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2013.10.03 16:59 , JF Mezei wrote:
>> http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/
>>
>> Basically, Adobe's systems were hacked and customer names/password and
>> possibly credit card data was stolen, Adobe will be contacting affected
>> customers via email to advide of situation.
>
> The posting claims such data was encrypted - all to the good.  Better
> they shouldn't hold it at all.
>
> I've received no notice to date.

Amended to 02:00 this morning.


-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49312

In article <524ddab1$0$55651$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
> http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/
> 
> Basically, Adobe's systems were hacked and customer names/password and
> possibly credit card data was stolen, Adobe will be contacting affected
> customers via email to advide of situation.

Simply just another reason why Adobe's silly rental system "sucks".  :-(

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#49316

In article <041020131809312079%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > Basically, Adobe's systems were hacked and customer names/password and
> > possibly credit card data was stolen, Adobe will be contacting affected
> > customers via email to advide of situation.
> 
> Simply just another reason why Adobe's silly rental system "sucks".  :-(

it affects more than just those with subscription plans.

anyone who purchased anything from adobe with a credit card, whether
it's subscription or not, may be affected.

however, the credit card data was encrypted so the risk of credit card
fraud is very low.

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#49326

On 2013-10-04, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <524ddab1$0$55651$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/
>> 
>> Basically, Adobe's systems were hacked and customer names/password and
>> possibly credit card data was stolen, Adobe will be contacting affected
>> customers via email to advide of situation.
>
> Simply just another reason why Adobe's silly rental system "sucks".  :-(

Like apple/itunes store?

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#49328

In article <l2mnef$1pe$1@dont-email.me>, generic name
<No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:

> >> Basically, Adobe's systems were hacked and customer names/password and
> >> possibly credit card data was stolen, Adobe will be contacting affected
> >> customers via email to advide of situation.
> >
> > Simply just another reason why Adobe's silly rental system "sucks".  :-(
> 
> Like apple/itunes store?

apps bought at apple's app store are not subscription based.

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#49394

On 2013-10-04, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <l2mnef$1pe$1@dont-email.me>, generic name
><No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >> Basically, Adobe's systems were hacked and customer names/password and
>> >> possibly credit card data was stolen, Adobe will be contacting affected
>> >> customers via email to advide of situation.
>> >
>> > Simply just another reason why Adobe's silly rental system "sucks".  :-(
>> 
>> Like apple/itunes store?
>
> apps bought at apple's app store are not subscription based.

You don't have to buy.  Just try to get a "FREE" app; apple still 
want your credit number.

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#49399

In article <l2nph6$3pp$1@dont-email.me>, generic name
<No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:

> >> >> Basically, Adobe's systems were hacked and customer names/password and
> >> >> possibly credit card data was stolen, Adobe will be contacting affected
> >> >> customers via email to advide of situation.
> >> >
> >> > Simply just another reason why Adobe's silly rental system "sucks".  :-(
> >> 
> >> Like apple/itunes store?
> >
> > apps bought at apple's app store are not subscription based.
> 
> You don't have to buy.  Just try to get a "FREE" app; apple still 
> want your credit number.

apple does not require a credit card number for free apps. they don't
need one for paid apps either. you can use itunes gift cards available
in many stores.

and even if apple did have a credit card number, it's still not
subscription based. you pay once and that's the end of that.

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#49443

On 2013-10-05, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <l2nph6$3pp$1@dont-email.me>, generic name
><No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >> >> Basically, Adobe's systems were hacked and customer names/password and
>> >> >> possibly credit card data was stolen, Adobe will be contacting affected
>> >> >> customers via email to advide of situation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Simply just another reason why Adobe's silly rental system "sucks".  :-(
>> >> 
>> >> Like apple/itunes store?
>> >
>> > apps bought at apple's app store are not subscription based.
>> 
>> You don't have to buy.  Just try to get a "FREE" app; apple still 
>> want your credit number.
>
> apple does not require a credit card number for free apps. they don't
> need one for paid apps either. you can use itunes gift cards available
> in many stores.
>
> and even if apple did have a credit card number, it's still not
> subscription based. you pay once and that's the end of that.

If you don't have an apple id, & try to get a "free" app since that
is the only place it was available, then using the drop down menu
apple store, you will be required to provide a credit number; been
done that.  If you go the "itunes" route which was non-intuitive, then
you can do so gyrations to avoid providing your credit card number.

However, someone claimed you can still avoid giving out the CC
using apple store by subscribing/creating an apple store account
then some more convolutions to avoid the CC provision.

Check a MacRumors thread for more info.  My info & attempt was shortly
after I got a mid-2011 macmini in trying to get a "free" newsreader.

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#49447

In article <l2pe84$n9d$1@dont-email.me>, generic name
<No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:

> >> > apps bought at apple's app store are not subscription based.
> >> 
> >> You don't have to buy.  Just try to get a "FREE" app; apple still 
> >> want your credit number.
> >
> > apple does not require a credit card number for free apps. they don't
> > need one for paid apps either. you can use itunes gift cards available
> > in many stores.
> >
> > and even if apple did have a credit card number, it's still not
> > subscription based. you pay once and that's the end of that.
> 
> If you don't have an apple id, & try to get a "free" app since that
> is the only place it was available, then using the drop down menu
> apple store, you will be required to provide a credit number; been
> done that.  If you go the "itunes" route which was non-intuitive, then
> you can do so gyrations to avoid providing your credit card number.

no gyrations necessary. pick 'none' for the payment option.

<http://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/HT2534/en_U
S/HT2534-PaymentType-en.png>

however, that limits you to only free apps.

you can still buy paid apps without a credit card, but you will need to
get an itunes gift card, available pretty much anywhere. 

> However, someone claimed you can still avoid giving out the CC
> using apple store by subscribing/creating an apple store account
> then some more convolutions to avoid the CC provision.

no convolutions needed. pick 'none' as above, and you can download all
the free apps you want and use itunes gift cards for paid apps. very
simple.

> Check a MacRumors thread for more info.  My info & attempt was shortly
> after I got a mid-2011 macmini in trying to get a "free" newsreader.

macrumors is not authoritative and whatever you did, you didn't do it
correctly.

a credit card is *not* required. period.

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#49457

On 2013-10-05, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <l2pe84$n9d$1@dont-email.me>, generic name
><No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:
>
> no gyrations necessary. pick 'none' for the payment option.
>
>
>
>> Check a MacRumors thread for more info.  My info & attempt was shortly
>> after I got a mid-2011 macmini in trying to get a "free" newsreader.
>
> macrumors is not authoritative and whatever you did, you didn't do it
> correctly.
>
> a credit card is *not* required. period.

Never macrumors is authoritative; it was someone else who is an
apple fanboy/fanatic expert who went thru the gyrations trying to
prove me wrong.  It was quite a thread regarding the "free" apps
& howto do it without giving out the CC#.

It has been a couple of years & apple apparently quietly changed
their methods; even recently, "apple store" is now redone to itunes
as when I bought the OSX update & had to get an itunes account.

If you selected the "software update" from the apple drop menu, 
apple store shows up to check for updates; it doesn't look right to me
since I didn't select "apple store"; something apple should change.

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#49461

In article <l2pqhk$ae8$1@dont-email.me>, generic name
<No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:

> > no gyrations necessary. pick 'none' for the payment option.
> >
> >> Check a MacRumors thread for more info.  My info & attempt was shortly
> >> after I got a mid-2011 macmini in trying to get a "free" newsreader.
> >
> > macrumors is not authoritative and whatever you did, you didn't do it
> > correctly.
> >
> > a credit card is *not* required. period.
> 
> Never macrumors is authoritative; it was someone else who is an
> apple fanboy/fanatic expert who went thru the gyrations trying to
> prove me wrong.  It was quite a thread regarding the "free" apps
> & howto do it without giving out the CC#.

it doesn't matter who it is. a forum post is not an official apple site
and most of the people who post on the macrumors forum are idiots
anyway.

this *is* an official apple statement:
<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2534?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US>
  Creating an iTunes Store, App Store, iBooks Store, and Mac App Store
  account without a credit card

the ability to not provide a credit card dates back to at least the
launch of the app store (2008), because that's when i signed up without
giving a credit card.

> It has been a couple of years & apple apparently quietly changed
> their methods; even recently, "apple store" is now redone to itunes
> as when I bought the OSX update & had to get an itunes account.

mountain lion and later are download only and it was not a quiet change.

lion was the first version of os x to be available by download,
however, it could also be purchased on a usb stick. not that many
people bought the usb stock, so they didn't bother making one for
mountain lion. 

also keep in mind that the licensing terms changed. with the cd/dvd
version, you could only install it on one machine per disc purchased or
five machines in one household if you bought the family pack. 

with the download version, it's as many computers as you own under your
apple id.

> If you selected the "software update" from the apple drop menu, 
> apple store shows up to check for updates; it doesn't look right to me
> since I didn't select "apple store"; something apple should change.

they combined software update and the mac app store. 

the app store is where you get updates to apps, so why not system
software too? having one place to go for updates makes more sense to
users.

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#49498

On 2013-10-05, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <l2pqhk$ae8$1@dont-email.me>, generic name
><No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > no gyrations necessary. pick 'none' for the payment option.
>> >
>> >> Check a MacRumors thread for more info.  My info & attempt was shortly
>> >> after I got a mid-2011 macmini in trying to get a "free" newsreader.
>> >
>> > macrumors is not authoritative and whatever you did, you didn't do it
>> > correctly.
>> >
>> > a credit card is *not* required. period.

I didn't have an apple id or apple account; I just wanted to download
a newsreader.  If an apple id is required, then that is regarded as
a form of payment.

My experience with the CC# contradicts the "official" policy/statement.
Pragmatically, what happened to me overrides what apple claim; just
like Jobs stated that there was NO problem with the iphone, it was
just how the user was holding the iphone when no connection was
possible. 

>
> this *is* an official apple statement:
><http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2534?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US>
>   Creating an iTunes Store, App Store, iBooks Store, and Mac App Store
>   account without a credit card
>
> the ability to not provide a credit card dates back to at least the
> launch of the app store (2008), because that's when i signed up without
> giving a credit card.

Try getting a free app without signing for an account; but then apple
already has you account id embedded somewhere on the computer.

>
>> If you selected the "software update" from the apple drop menu, 
>> apple store shows up to check for updates; it doesn't look right to me
>> since I didn't select "apple store"; something apple should change.
>
> they combined software update and the mac app store. 
>
> the app store is where you get updates to apps, so why not system
> software too? having one place to go for updates makes more sense to
> users.

I got the xcode 4 & update without going thru the apple store;  when I
got the macmini, updating os & itunes & etc was done thru the selection
of "software updates", never with the apple store selection.

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#49499

In article <l2qj5n$4gd$1@dont-email.me>,
 generic name <No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:

> I didn't have an apple id or apple account; I just wanted to download
> a newsreader.  If an apple id is required, then that is regarded as
> a form of payment.

YOU may regard it as a form of payment, but that doesn't make it so.

> My experience with the CC# contradicts the "official" policy/statement.
> Pragmatically, what happened to me overrides what apple claim; 

Pragmatically, your experience indicates that you were doing it wrong, and 
didn't bother to read the information fully.

> Try getting a free app without signing for an account; 

Yeah?  So?

> but then apple already has you account id embedded somewhere on the 
> computer.

Not if you never set up an account, and you're not required to set up an 
account.

> I got the xcode 4 & update without going thru the apple store;  when I
> got the macmini, updating os & itunes & etc was done thru the selection
> of "software updates", never with the apple store selection.

Well, now all updates of Apple's Macintosh software are handled through the 
Mac App Store.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#49504

In article <l2qj5n$4gd$1@dont-email.me>, generic name
<No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:

> >> > no gyrations necessary. pick 'none' for the payment option.
> >> >
> >> >> Check a MacRumors thread for more info.  My info & attempt was shortly
> >> >> after I got a mid-2011 macmini in trying to get a "free" newsreader.
> >> >
> >> > macrumors is not authoritative and whatever you did, you didn't do it
> >> > correctly.
> >> >
> >> > a credit card is *not* required. period.
> 
> I didn't have an apple id or apple account; I just wanted to download
> a newsreader.  If an apple id is required, then that is regarded as
> a form of payment.

where did you get that crazy idea?

you can create an apple id for free, without any credit card, and if
you only download free apps, there is no payment to anyone. you can
still purchase apps without supplying a credit card, you just need to
buy a gift card in a store and enter in the code. it works well.

people create accounts with all sorts of companies without needing
payment, such as on facebook, twitter, google, nytimes and *many* other
sites. 

> My experience with the CC# contradicts the "official" policy/statement.

as i said, whatever you did, you didn't do it properly. 

creating an apple id without a credit card is very straightforward and
works perfectly fine. just follow these steps:
<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2534?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US>

> Pragmatically, what happened to me overrides what apple claim; just
> like Jobs stated that there was NO problem with the iphone, it was
> just how the user was holding the iphone when no connection was
> possible. 

first of all, it was never no connection. it was fewer bars, but
despite that calls didn't drop as much as earlier iphones, so at the
end of the day, it was actually as good or better.

second, steve jobs was correct in that wrapping your hand around the
antenna will cause signal quality to drop. that's called physics and
affects every phone out there as well as other types of radios. there
is no getting around the laws of physics. most phone manuals have a
little diagram on how to hold it properly.

lastly, most people never actually had a problem. after the controversy
died down, people stopped complaining. the iphone 4 has been available
for three years, up until a couple of weeks ago. they didn't change its
design and all of the complaining stopped long ago. 

> > this *is* an official apple statement:
> ><http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2534?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US>
> >   Creating an iTunes Store, App Store, iBooks Store, and Mac App Store
> >   account without a credit card
> >
> > the ability to not provide a credit card dates back to at least the
> > launch of the app store (2008), because that's when i signed up without
> > giving a credit card.
> 
> Try getting a free app without signing for an account; but then apple
> already has you account id embedded somewhere on the computer.

of course you need an account. how else is it going to know what you've
downloaded and what needs to be updated?

> >> If you selected the "software update" from the apple drop menu, 
> >> apple store shows up to check for updates; it doesn't look right to me
> >> since I didn't select "apple store"; something apple should change.
> >
> > they combined software update and the mac app store. 
> >
> > the app store is where you get updates to apps, so why not system
> > software too? having one place to go for updates makes more sense to
> > users.
> 
> I got the xcode 4 & update without going thru the apple store; 

then you're a hypocrite.

you had to create a developer apple id to get xcode.

> when I
> got the macmini, updating os & itunes & etc was done thru the selection
> of "software updates", never with the apple store selection.

now it's done with the app store, because os x is now distributed
through the app store.

as i said, it makes more sense to get all updates in one place than
split it up.

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#49491

In article <l2pqhk$ae8$1@dont-email.me>,
 generic name <No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:

> It has been a couple of years & apple apparently quietly changed their 
> methods; even recently, "apple store" is now redone to itunes as when I 
> bought the OSX update & had to get an itunes account.

No; what is changed is that Apple's Macintosh software is now distributed 
through the Mac App Sore.

> If you selected the "software update" from the apple drop menu, apple 
> store shows up to check for updates; it doesn't look right to me since I 
> didn't select "apple store"; something apple should change.

All of Apple's Macintosh software is now distributed through the Mac App 
Store, so when you choose Software Update, it redirects you to the Mac App 
Store so you can download the updates there.

Nothing's broken, and nothing needs to be changed.  I wouldn't be surprised 
if Software Update is removed from the Apple menu in Mavericks.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.

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#49492

On 2013.10.05 19:39 , Michelle Steiner wrote:

> Nothing's broken, and nothing needs to be changed.  I wouldn't be surprised
> if Software Update is removed from the Apple menu in Mavericks.

As long as I can get updates from the Apple support site so I don't DL 
the same thing 3 or 4 times over ... 100 MB ain's so bad, but 200, 400, 
and larger eat into my cap.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown

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#49523

In message <michelle-9931F3.16393005102013@news.eternal-september.org> 
  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <l2pqhk$ae8$1@dont-email.me>,
>  generic name <No-One@in-the-sanitarium.invalid> wrote:

>> It has been a couple of years & apple apparently quietly changed their 
>> methods; even recently, "apple store" is now redone to itunes as when I 
>> bought the OSX update & had to get an itunes account.

> No; what is changed is that Apple's Macintosh software is now distributed 
> through the Mac App Sore.

>> If you selected the "software update" from the apple drop menu, apple 
>> store shows up to check for updates; it doesn't look right to me since I 
>> didn't select "apple store"; something apple should change.

> All of Apple's Macintosh software is now distributed through the Mac App 
> Store, so when you choose Software Update, it redirects you to the Mac App 
> Store so you can download the updates there.

> Nothing's broken, and nothing needs to be changed.  I wouldn't be surprised 
> if Software Update is removed from the Apple menu in Mavericks.

The App Store and Software Update functions are different, though they
both use the Mac App Store. The SU opens up the store specifically to
the system software updates and the updates for already installed
software.


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