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  Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-11 08:28 -0700
    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-11 14:34 -0400
    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-11 17:08 -0400
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-11 15:20 -0700
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-11 20:04 -0400
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-11 17:26 -0700
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-12 07:14 +0000
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-04-11 15:24 -0700
    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-11 20:53 -0400
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2012-04-11 22:43 -0400
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-11 23:17 -0400
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-11 23:24 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 14:22 -0400
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-12 17:28 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-13 07:43 +1000
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:27 -0400
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-13 10:20 +1000
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:23 -0400
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-12 21:25 -0400
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-13 04:30 -0400
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-04-14 00:05 +0000
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? News <News@Group.Posts> - 2012-04-14 10:08 -0400
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-04-15 19:43 +0000
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-12 17:30 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:24 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wayne Marsh <waynegmarsh@mac.com> - 2012-04-22 13:17 -0500
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-23 10:16 +0800
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-22 22:52 -0400
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-23 08:25 -0500
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 07:29 -0700
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-23 00:19 -0400
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-23 09:08 -0400
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-23 08:30 -0500
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-23 08:28 -0500
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-23 18:36 +1200
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-23 07:57 -0400
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 09:13 +1200
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 14:33 -0700
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-24 10:26 +0800
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 20:03 -0700
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 21:25 -0600
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 16:21 +1200
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 22:50 -0600
                                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 18:19 +1200
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-24 07:25 -0400
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-24 14:07 +0200
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-26 19:02 -0400
                                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-27 06:44 +0000
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-27 14:15 +0200
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-27 21:55 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-28 12:44 +0200
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-27 08:56 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-27 21:58 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2012-05-08 03:27 +0000
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-27 16:44 -0400
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-27 21:52 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-28 12:51 +0200
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-29 10:02 +1200
                                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-28 18:24 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-28 07:35 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-28 10:55 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-28 13:28 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-28 17:49 +0000
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-28 14:22 -0400
                                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-28 18:29 +0000
                                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-28 18:44 +0000
                                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-28 14:46 -0400
                                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-28 22:37 +0200
                                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-29 10:04 +1200
                                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-28 15:35 -0700
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-04-23 22:12 -0500
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-23 23:42 -0400
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-24 07:29 -0400
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-24 18:30 -0400
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-25 17:33 -0400
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 07:28 -0700
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 09:17 +1200
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 14:37 -0700
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 13:33 +1200
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-23 23:28 -0400
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 20:37 -0700
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 22:50 -0600
                                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 18:21 +1200
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-24 00:07 -0700
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-24 10:53 +0200
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-23 16:30 +0000
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-23 13:09 -0400
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 11:03 -0700
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-23 21:06 +0000
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 20:28 -0600
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 16:16 +1200
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 22:50 -0600
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 18:27 +1200
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-24 02:35 -0400
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 19:21 +1200
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-24 10:37 +0200
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-12 08:30 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 14:33 -0400
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2012-04-12 23:02 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-13 18:19 +1200
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-13 15:41 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-04-12 14:17 -0500
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-12 15:59 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:25 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-04-14 01:18 -0500
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-04-14 00:14 +0000
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-14 11:38 +0800
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-04-14 16:13 +0000
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-16 15:32 +0800
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-13 19:00 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? News <News@Group.Posts> - 2012-04-14 10:09 -0400
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-12 00:13 -0400
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 14:20 -0400
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-12 07:19 +0000
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-12 06:12 -0400
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-12 11:04 +0000
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-12 09:19 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-15 18:31 +0200
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-15 17:24 +0000

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#23772

On 2012-04-12 23:02 , Zaidy036 wrote:
> On 4/12/2012 2:33 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

>> This seems to be more an issue with US issued cards (I had one some
>> years ago and had to tell them if I was off to Europe or Asia) than the
>> Canadian cards I have.
>>
>> One difference may be the chipped cards (require PIN) v. the old mag
>> striped only cards that are prevalent in the US.
>>
>
> Citi (American Air) now offers "chipped" cards if you call them up.
> Unfortunately then there is no space for your picture but it is a good
> idea if traveling to Europe.

Some US banks are slowly going chipped.  The US bank we used did not.

-- 
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
  I said I didn't know."
                           -Samuel Clemens.

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#23735

In article <N9OdnTcc2b5WVxvSnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <110420122317226888%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Davo usually measured in minutes or hours--especially now, when 
> > there is no way that my bank is going to authorize a transaction in 
> > Eastern Europe out of the blue without contacting me first. I know 
> > this because I get e-mails and phone calls from my bank from time 
> > to time questioning out-of-pattern purchases that I have made.
> 
> And it seems to be getting stricter and stricter. If I don't tell my 
> CC company I am going to FL they have put a stop on the card. Despite 
> the fact I have been going there every year for the past 25 and drive 
> down using the card for gas, food and hotels along the way.

Makes some sense in a way- they're the ones on the hook as the law 
limits your personal liability for credit card fraud- although clearly 
they are lacking in the "understanding your customer" aspect.

-- 
And wackiness ensues...

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#23736

In article <timmcn-2A9624.14174112042012@news.iphouse.com>,
 Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

> 
> Makes some sense in a way- they're the ones on the hook as the law 
> limits your personal liability for credit card fraud- although clearly 
> they are lacking in the "understanding your customer" aspect.

I might be able to understand it if it was a new card. But they had 
around 10 years of history of me doing exactly the same thing at exactly 
the same. Heck we even stayed in mostly the same hotels every year going 
down.

-- 
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative, 
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz 

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#23747

On 2012-04-12 15:59 , Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article<timmcn-2A9624.14174112042012@news.iphouse.com>,
>   Tim McNamara<timmcn@bitstream.net>  wrote:
>
>>
>> Makes some sense in a way- they're the ones on the hook as the law
>> limits your personal liability for credit card fraud- although clearly
>> they are lacking in the "understanding your customer" aspect.
>
> I might be able to understand it if it was a new card. But they had
> around 10 years of history of me doing exactly the same thing at exactly
> the same. Heck we even stayed in mostly the same hotels every year going
> down.

CC co's are always implementing new processes.  It's catch all.


-- 
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
  I said I didn't know."
                           -Samuel Clemens.

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#23785

In article <u9KdnUJ3q6q4qRrSnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <timmcn-2A9624.14174112042012@news.iphouse.com>,
>  Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Makes some sense in a way- they're the ones on the hook as the law 
> > limits your personal liability for credit card fraud- although 
> > clearly they are lacking in the "understanding your customer" 
> > aspect.
> 
> I might be able to understand it if it was a new card. But they had 
> around 10 years of history of me doing exactly the same thing at 
> exactly the same. Heck we even stayed in mostly the same hotels every 
> year going down.

That's the "not understanding your customer" part.

-- 
And wackiness ensues...

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#23779

In comp.sys.mac.system Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> And it seems to be getting stricter and stricter. If I don't tell my CC 
> company I am going to FL they have put a stop on the card. Despite the 
> fact I have been going there every year for the past 25 and drive down 
> using the card for gas, food and hotels along the way.

My CC company stopped my card after gasoline started being charged on it 
in $200 amounts at a time. Apparently they didn't connect the dots 
between those transactions and the RV rental transaction I had made 
just prior.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#23782

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:14:58 +0000 (UTC), me@home.spamsucks.ca
(Király) wrote:

>In comp.sys.mac.system Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And it seems to be getting stricter and stricter. If I don't tell my CC 
>> company I am going to FL they have put a stop on the card. Despite the 
>> fact I have been going there every year for the past 25 and drive down 
>> using the card for gas, food and hotels along the way.
>
>My CC company stopped my card after gasoline started being charged on it 
>in $200 amounts at a time. Apparently they didn't connect the dots 
>between those transactions and the RV rental transaction I had made 
>just prior.

I'd say it was quite smart of them just to have picked up on that
rapid sequence of gasoline purchases. A thief could have been clever
enough to have rented a RV on the card prior to doing that too.

Chris

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#23807

In comp.sys.mac.system Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
> I'd say it was quite smart of them just to have picked up on that
> rapid sequence of gasoline purchases. A thief could have been clever
> enough to have rented a RV on the card prior to doing that too.

With their driver's license?

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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#23880

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:13:27 +0000 (UTC), me@home.spamsucks.ca
(Király) wrote:

>In comp.sys.mac.system Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
>> I'd say it was quite smart of them just to have picked up on that
>> rapid sequence of gasoline purchases. A thief could have been clever
>> enough to have rented a RV on the card prior to doing that too.
>
>With their driver's license?

With a fake one.

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#23777

On 04-11-2012 23:17, Davoud wrote:
> usually measured in minutes or hours--especially now, when there is no
> way that my bank is going to authorize a transaction in Eastern Europe
> out of the blue without contacting me first. I know this because I get
> e-mails and phone calls from my bank from time to time questioning
> out-of-pattern purchases that I have made.

Whenever I decide to drive instead of pedal, I have to inform my bank so 
they don't decline my Visa at a gas station.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   Can we afford to be relevant?
   http://www.cetesol.org/stevick.html

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#23791

On 4/13/2012 7:00 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 04-11-2012 23:17, Davoud wrote:
>> usually measured in minutes or hours--especially now, when there is no
>> way that my bank is going to authorize a transaction in Eastern Europe
>> out of the blue without contacting me first. I know this because I get
>> e-mails and phone calls from my bank from time to time questioning
>> out-of-pattern purchases that I have made.
>
> Whenever I decide to drive instead of pedal, I have to inform my bank so
> they don't decline my Visa at a gas station.
>

LOL

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#23685

On 04-11-2012 22:43, Thomas R. Kettler wrote:
> The reason they do small amounts is that many people wouldn't notice
> those small purchases and you buy small items using numbers of different
> stolen numbers and return the items for refunds.

Or your victims (with your help) buys the items (which don't exist) from 
you.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   Nutrition for Blokes: Re-engineering your diet for life
   http://www.phlaunt.com/quentin

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#23730

On 2012-04-11 22:43 , Thomas R. Kettler wrote:

> The reason they do small amounts is that many people wouldn't notice
> those small purchases and you buy small items using numbers of different
> stolen numbers and return the items for refunds.

I had my numbers ripped in Venezuela ending up in two transactions 
totaling around $10K on my MC a few years ago.  The card number was used 
at a casino somewhere in the Antilles.  MC called me up with three 
suspicious transactions.

-- 
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
  I said I didn't know."
                           -Samuel Clemens.

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#23705

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.mac.system.]
Davoud wrote:

> That's an incredibly kind offer, and I would surely take you up on it,
> but my bank/debit card company itself notifies me every few weeks that
> my card has been compromised and sends me a new card.

The Israeli VISA franchisee gives you the option of setting a secret word
which they include in an SMS to your cell phone every time the card is used.
Each SMS is set to return dial you to customer service if the transaction
was not done by you.

After the recent release of Israeli credit card numbers by a "hacker", 
I received an email telling me to sign up for the service or they would
not allow me to do online buying. I ignored it assuming it was a phishing
email, and they sent me a real letter on paper through the mail.

Still not 100% trusting, I went to their website and found the page,
and did not type in and click on the link in the letter. I did this because
the "hacker" released addresses along with credit card numbers and 
security codes. 

Geoff.


-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson,  N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379
In 1969 the US could put a man on the moon, now teenagers just howl at it. :-(

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#23709

In article <slrnjod0b5.8tk.gsm@cable.mendelson.com>, Geoffrey S.
Mendelson <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

> The Israeli VISA franchisee gives you the option of setting a secret word
> which they include in an SMS to your cell phone every time the card is used.
> Each SMS is set to return dial you to customer service if the transaction
> was not done by you.

what if you don't have a cellphone or it isn't nearby?

> After the recent release of Israeli credit card numbers by a "hacker", 
> I received an email telling me to sign up for the service or they would
> not allow me to do online buying. I ignored it assuming it was a phishing
> email, and they sent me a real letter on paper through the mail.

then it's not 'an option.' it's mandatory.

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#23710

nospam wrote:
> what if you don't have a cellphone or it isn't nearby?

I think there was an email option too.

>
>> After the recent release of Israeli credit card numbers by a "hacker", 
>> I received an email telling me to sign up for the service or they would
>> not allow me to do online buying. I ignored it assuming it was a phishing
>> email, and they sent me a real letter on paper through the mail.
>
> then it's not 'an option.' it's mandatory.

I don't know. I expect that if you called them and waived the service they
would do it without it. How many people do online buying without email. 

Cell phones are cheap and incoming calls and SMS's are free. Far cheaper
than a landline, so almost everyone has one, even if they never call
out.

It's not like the US, here you can buy a phone for $30, put $13 worth of
airtime on it and as long as you make one call a year (for $.20 a minute, 
12 seconds is enough) you can use it indefinitely to receive calls and SMS's.

Since the caller pays the full price of the call, there are very few
cellular SPAM calls. 

Geoff.


-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson,  N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379
In 1969 the US could put a man on the moon, now teenagers just howl at it. :-(

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#23719

In article <slrnjoddd3.pnq.gsm@cable.mendelson.com>, Geoffrey S.
Mendelson <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

> It's not like the US, here you can buy a phone for $30, put $13 worth of
> airtime on it and as long as you make one call a year (for $.20 a minute, 
> 12 seconds is enough) you can use it indefinitely to receive calls and SMS's.

on some pay as you go carriers you can do roughly that. t-mobile is
$10/year for gold members at 10c/min and you don't even need to make or
receive calls. others are a little more.

> Since the caller pays the full price of the call, there are very few
> cellular SPAM calls. 

usa cell carriers experimented a little with that but it was a failure.

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#23847

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:04:03 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

> I don't know. I expect that if you called them and waived the service
> they would do it without it. How many people do online buying without
> email.
> 
> Cell phones are cheap and incoming calls and SMS's are free. Far cheaper
> than a landline, so almost everyone has one, even if they never call
> out.
> 
> It's not like the US, here you can buy a phone for $30, put $13 worth of
> airtime on it and as long as you make one call a year (for $.20 a
> minute, 12 seconds is enough) you can use it indefinitely to receive
> calls and SMS's.
> 
> Since the caller pays the full price of the call, there are very few
> cellular SPAM calls.

Yes, we have much the same in Switzerland.  Most of the cheap offerings 
come with a SIM card with ten or twenty bucks already on them so all you 
have to do is give the phone its first battery charge and you are ready 
to go.

After some scare stories in the press about terrorists being able to get 
anonymous phones here they changed the law and all new SIM cards have to 
be registered.  I simply used up the available credit on the last one I 
bought then replaced the SIM card with the older unregistered one, 
because that was easier than letting everyone know I had a new number.

Incidentally, that worked even though the new phone itself was locked to 
the telco for a couple of years (same telco as the old card because they 
have the best reception in my part of town).

-- 
Paul Sture

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#23851

Paul Sture wrote:
>
> Incidentally, that worked even though the new phone itself was locked to 
> the telco for a couple of years (same telco as the old card because they 
> have the best reception in my part of town).
>

There has been so much abuse by the cellular carriers that now in Israel,
they must unlock any phone they sell, at any time, for free. So they just
gave up and only sell unlocked phones.

They tried a deal where you buy a phone on your credit card in 36 payments
(to the bank) and if you make more than a minumum amount of calls in a month,
they rebate the monthly payment for the phone to you.

You could cancel at any time, or not use your phone enough, the rebates
would stop until your useage went back up again. 

The law was changed to require them to make you the same deal if you
buy the phone from them or not, so those deals are dying too. 

The newest deal is unlimited calls and unlimited SMSs (really 4,000
minutes and 4000 SMSs a month) for about $30, but you don't get any
rebates or special price for the phone.

The old deals which were 1/36 of your iPhone paid for per month in a rebate 
if you ran up $40 or more in airtime was a much better deal. :-(

Geoff.
-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson,  N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379
In 1969 the US could put a man on the moon, now teenagers just howl at it. :-(

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