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  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 08:30 -0700
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 09:36 -0700
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 09:39 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 10:14 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 15:05 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 15:21 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 16:04 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 16:13 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 19:10 -0700
                  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 20:43 -0700
                      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 21:07 -0700
                        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-22 02:14 -0700
                      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 23:31 -0700
                        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-22 02:14 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 15:24 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 15:51 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 16:08 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 18:06 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera John Young <jy@scallawags.net> - 2012-08-21 21:48 -0400
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 20:33 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:10 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 22:23 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 23:31 -0700
                  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 23:55 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 19:40 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:09 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 23:31 -0700
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 18:01 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 19:03 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:17 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 00:37 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 00:55 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-22 10:59 -0700
                  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-22 14:28 -0400
                  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 12:46 -0700
                    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-22 15:37 -0700
                      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 15:58 -0700
                        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-22 16:10 -0700
                          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-22 20:03 -0500
                          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 20:20 -0700
                            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 09:06 -0700
                              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-23 12:32 -0700
                                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 12:54 -0700
                                  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-23 14:33 -0700
                                    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 15:20 -0700
                                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-23 16:11 -0700
                                  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-23 20:53 -0500
                                    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-23 21:05 -0700
                        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-22 20:01 -0500
                          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVEsPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 20:44 -0700
                        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> - 2012-08-23 08:12 -0600
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:10 -0400
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:20 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-25 08:03 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:21 -0400
                  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-25 09:42 -0700
                    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 13:01 -0400
                  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 08:22 +1000
                    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 11:41 -0400
                      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-27 07:38 +1000
                        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 17:48 -0400
                          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-27 11:19 +1000
                            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-27 17:13 -0400
                              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-28 08:05 +1000
                                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-27 18:44 -0400
                                  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-28 11:27 +1000
                                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-27 20:31 -0500
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-24 21:41 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 22:29 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:22 -0400
                  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-25 09:38 -0700

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#30050

In article <-eGdnQ40Pv7ZTKXNnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-08-24 18:03 , dorayme wrote:
> > In article <UNOdnTecJsMicKrNnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2012-08-22 01:17 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> >>
> >>> questioning your ratings; I'm asking how you reached your conclusions.  
> >>> Oh,
> >>> it would also help if we knew what your qualifications were.
> >>
> >> As a photographer, the 'duck can blow away most wannabes.
> >>
> >> Here's one of my favourite shots that he's done.  (Not with an iPad, of
> >> course).
> >>
> >> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/138049941/original
> >
> > It's kitsch!
> 
> Hardly.  A very well executed sunset (or rise).  The scale of the foam 
> is very misleading (see the figures walling on the far right).  The 
> patterns in the foam at such a scale are great.  The photographic 
> capture and presentation are great IMO.  Not to mention the very narrow 
> colour palette which strengthens the image.
>

Sure! Of course, it is foolish of me to venture here on matters of 
taste and naturally you would be averse to my going on about good and 
bad taste. I suppose I better take another look, you probably 
seriously think it is nice. Just a mo...

Nope, it still looks sickeningly kitschy and I am here in a good mood 
on yet another paradisiacal day by the sea in Sydney (not guaranteed 
so much these days, but the last week has been simply brilliant). The 
picture in your url is a whole lot of golden mush. 

> >
> > I often muse about what you guys actually feel in your beating hearts
> > when you talk endlessly and knowledgeably enough about photography and
> > cameras and so on.
> 
> Heart?
> 
> Beating?
> 
> C'mon?
> 
> Really?

I recall some people  - nospam? - not understanding things which seem 
quite natural about photography and art in general in a long ago 
discussion way back. It was asserted or implied that modern digital 
photography was superior in all important respects to film 
photography. 

In my view, there was a blindness here to a fundamental: that art is 
made from the limitations of a medium as much as from its positive 
capacities. The limitations of a brush, a typewriter, a camera, a 
stock of paper and chemicals, a violin can be the making of art. Until 
this is understood at least vaguely, all the babbling in the world 
about the technical capacities of modern camera devices will amount to 
nothing deep and fundamental.

Relevance? This: you need a beating heart of a certain kind to know 
wtf I am talking about. <g>

-- 
dorayme

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#30085

On 2012.08.25 18:22 , dorayme wrote:

> Sure! Of course, it is foolish of me to venture here on matters of
> taste

So don't.

Please note that the above is the level of brevity you should strive for 
as you seem to use an awful lot of keystrokes to say nothing.

-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30104

In article <5N2dnTD_d-Ii3qfNnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012.08.25 18:22 , dorayme wrote:
> 
> > Sure! Of course, it is foolish of me to venture here on matters of
> > taste
> 
> So don't.
> 
> Please note that the above is the level of brevity you should strive for 
> as you seem to use an awful lot of keystrokes to say nothing.

Nothing that *you* understand. And since posting your kitsch is highly 
irrelevant to anything to do with Macs, take your own advice and 
don't.

-- 
dorayme

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#30106

On 2012.08.26 17:38 , dorayme wrote:

> Sure! Of course, it is foolish of me to venture here on matters of
> taste

So don't.


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30126

In article <QLWdnSjaJcM0BKfNnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012.08.26 17:38 , dorayme wrote:
> 
> > Sure! Of course, it is foolish of me to venture here on matters of
> > taste
> 
> So don't.

You already said this. Your juvenile habit of point-scoring is noted. 
You seem to have a total inability to know when to accept with grace 
an admission by someone you are at loggerheads with. In other words 
you are an insensitive prick. That was kitsch and your inability to 
see this is particularly consistent with your other insensitivity.

I shudder to think that *you* take so many pictures everyday (as you 
mentioned recently) and I will now have you in mind as a particular 
case if I ever again restate my oft mentioned opinion that there are 
far too many pictures in the world.

-- 
dorayme

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#30165

On 2012.08.26 21:19 , dorayme wrote:
> In article <QLWdnSjaJcM0BKfNnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2012.08.26 17:38 , dorayme wrote:
>>
>>> Sure! Of course, it is foolish of me to venture here on matters of
>>> taste
>>
>> So don't.
>
> You already said this. Your juvenile habit of point-scoring is noted.

So KF me and run along.


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30166

In article <_ISdnejqtYGSfqbNnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012.08.26 21:19 , dorayme wrote:
> > In article <QLWdnSjaJcM0BKfNnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2012.08.26 17:38 , dorayme wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sure! Of course, it is foolish of me to venture here on matters of
> >>> taste
> >>
> >> So don't.
> >
> > You already said this. Your juvenile habit of point-scoring is noted.
> 
> So KF me and run along.

Not much to do with *your* penchant for kitsch and for point-scoring! 

Btw, no one, and I mean no one, beats me in the race to be *last* in 
the kf race. Yes, I know, this is yet another thing your simple mind 
doesn't understand.

Here is another that would go past you:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRbPisyR0yE>

-- 
dorayme

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#30170

On 2012.08.27 18:05 , dorayme wrote:
> In article <_ISdnejqtYGSfqbNnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2012.08.26 21:19 , dorayme wrote:
>>> In article <QLWdnSjaJcM0BKfNnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2012.08.26 17:38 , dorayme wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure! Of course, it is foolish of me to venture here on matters of
>>>>> taste
>>>>
>>>> So don't.
>>>
>>> You already said this. Your juvenile habit of point-scoring is noted.
>>
>> So KF me and run along.
>
> Not much to do with *your* penchant for kitsch and for point-scoring!
>
> Btw, no one, and I mean no one, beats me in the race to be *last* in
> the kf race. Yes, I know, this is yet another thing your simple mind
> doesn't understand.

What childish drool is that?


-- 
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
                                 -John Keating.

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#30176

In article <qLidnVEArurOZabNnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012.08.27 18:05 , dorayme wrote:
...
> > Btw, no one, and I mean no one, beats me in the race to be *last* in
> > the kf race. Yes, I know, this is yet another thing your simple mind
> > doesn't understand.
> 
> What childish drool is that?

Yes, I see you keep stepping further and further into it and making 
your lack of a sense of humour more and more evident. How does one 
explain such things to someone like you? I gave you a url to help and 
it sails quite past you! 

Are your own pics like that kitsch you posted a url to, or is this 
unfair? Please stop taking so many pictures! You trying to do a visual 
equivalent of a monkey on a typewriter that writes a Shakespeare play? 

Look, even if you take so many billion pics every day and somewhere in 
there is the greatest photographic exhibition ever, it would take an 
impressive feel or judgement, a firm and admirable sense of taste, not 
to mention time, to unearth it. Judging by the kitsch you posted, it 
does not look good for you! Better to conserve your energies on the 
mechanical and devote yourself to strategies to feel more and better.

-- 
dorayme

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#30177

On 8/27/12 5:05 PM, in article
dorayme-07AFB3.08052528082012@news.albasani.net, "dorayme"
<dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> In article <_ISdnejqtYGSfqbNnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> On 2012.08.26 21:19 , dorayme wrote:
>>> In article <QLWdnSjaJcM0BKfNnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2012.08.26 17:38 , dorayme wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Sure! Of course, it is foolish of me to venture here on matters of
>>>>> taste
>>>> 
>>>> So don't.
>>> 
>>> You already said this. Your juvenile habit of point-scoring is noted.
>> 
>> So KF me and run along.
> 
> Not much to do with *your* penchant for kitsch and for point-scoring!
> 
> Btw, no one, and I mean no one, beats me in the race to be *last* in
> the kf race. Yes, I know, this is yet another thing your simple mind
> doesn't understand.
> 
> Here is another that would go past you:
> 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRbPisyR0yE>

You two get a room with whips and chains. This is getting BORING!

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#30001

On 2012-08-24 14:10:23 -0700, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:

> On 2012-08-22 01:17 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> 
>> questioning your ratings; I'm asking how you reached your conclusions.  Oh,
>> it would also help if we knew what your qualifications were.
> 
> As a photographer, the 'duck can blow away most wannabes.
> 
> Here's one of my favourite shots that he's done.  (Not with an iPad, of 
> course).
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/138049941/original

Thanks for the support Alan. However, we obviously have two different 
groups here, some of us have our feet in both, and others are blind to 
what each can offer. That also goes for those in the photo-groups who 
deny the value of mobile devices, you know who they are.

Since we all hold strong opinions, things get heated from time to time, 
and many times that can be due our our blindness to the others POV and 
fundamental misunderstandings of the other's position.

Michelle has her supporters here and I guess they will take whatever I 
say as hostility towards her That is the furthest from the truth. If 
she and her supporters feel slighted by my manner of communication, all 
I can do is extend my apologies.
...but I stand by my opinion regarding the issue raised in this thread.

Now for the third time, (the Pacino "Godfather" line comes to mind 
here) I am done with this thread.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#30002

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes:

> On 2012-08-24 14:10:23 -0700, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
> 
> > On 2012-08-22 01:17 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> >
> >> questioning your ratings; I'm asking how you reached your conclusions.  Oh,
> >> it would also help if we knew what your qualifications were.
> > As a photographer, the 'duck can blow away most wannabes.
> > Here's one of my favourite shots that he's done.  (Not with an iPad,
> > of course).
> > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/138049941/original
> 
> Thanks for the support Alan. However, we obviously have two different
> groups here, some of us have our feet in both, and others are blind to
> what each can offer. That also goes for those in the photo-groups who
> deny the value of mobile devices, you know who they are.
> 
> Since we all hold strong opinions, things get heated from time to
> time, and many times that can be due our our blindness to the others
> POV and fundamental misunderstandings of the other's position.
> 
> Michelle has her supporters here and I guess they will take whatever I
> say as hostility towards her That is the furthest from the truth.

That's simply nonsense.  I'm not a "supporter" or an "opposer" of
Michelle.

She asked you what your opinion was based on.  Instead of answering,
you accused her of having pre-conceived notions.  I think that was rude
and lowered the tone of discussion.  You went on to accuse _Michelle_
of being the one to lower the tone of discussion.

This is unambiguous in the thread, in black and white.

> If
> she and her supporters feel slighted by my manner of communication,
> all I can do is extend my apologies.

"I'm sorry you you felt slighted by my perfectly justified actions,"
eh?
 
> ...but I stand by my opinion regarding the issue raised in this
> thread.

Your opinions about the merits of the images are fine (though you
could have been kind enough to answer queries about what those
opinions were based on).

Your opinions about other people's motivations, and accusations that
they lowered the tone of discussion are insulting.  

> Now for the third time, (the Pacino "Godfather" line comes to mind
> here) I am done with this thread.

Three times a charm (actually, I think it has been more than three,
but who is counting).

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#30010

On 2012-08-25 00:41 , Savageduck wrote:
> On 2012-08-24 14:10:23 -0700, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
>
>> On 2012-08-22 01:17 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>
>>> questioning your ratings; I'm asking how you reached your
>>> conclusions.  Oh,
>>> it would also help if we knew what your qualifications were.
>>
>> As a photographer, the 'duck can blow away most wannabes.
>>
>> Here's one of my favourite shots that he's done.  (Not with an iPad,
>> of course).
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/138049941/original
>
> Thanks for the support Alan. However, we obviously have two different
> groups here, some of us have our feet in both, and others are blind to
> what each can offer. That also goes for those in the photo-groups who
> deny the value of mobile devices, you know who they are.
>
> Since we all hold strong opinions, things get heated from time to time,
> and many times that can be due our our blindness to the others POV and
> fundamental misunderstandings of the other's position.
>
> Michelle has her supporters here and I guess they will take whatever I
> say as hostility towards her That is the furthest from the truth. If she
> and her supporters feel slighted by my manner of communication, all I
> can do is extend my apologies.
> ...but I stand by my opinion regarding the issue raised in this thread.

Michelle has her very good points.  One of her weak points however is 
using high school debating tactics to defend her point long after it is 
lost.  She is tenacious.

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                                 -John Keating.

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In article <-eGdnQk0Pv7nTKXNnZ2dnUVZ_sYAAAAA@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Michelle has her very good points.  One of her weak points however is 
> using high school debating tactics to defend her point long after it is 
> lost.  She is tenacious.

Declaring that I have lost is not the same as my actually having lost.  Oh, 
and when I'm proven to be wrong about something, I acknowledge it, unlike 
some other people around here.

In this situation, though, there is no "won or lost".  It's a matter of a 
person posting opinions without explaining the reasons for those opinions.  
When I asked for his rationale, he misinterpreted that as a challenge to 
his conclusions.

Later on, I did disagree with him about which of the two iPhone renditions 
were better, but that was a matter of differing opinions, not a challenge.

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