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| Started by | Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> |
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| First post | 2014-01-17 18:31 -0500 |
| Last post | 2014-01-20 19:55 +0000 |
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MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-17 18:31 -0500
Re: MacLINUX JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 18:38 -0500
Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-17 23:28 -0500
Re: MacLINUX JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-18 00:18 -0500
Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 17:40 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-17 23:16 -0500
Re: MacLINUX Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-17 22:37 -0800
Re: MacLINUX isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2014-01-18 13:45 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-18 17:01 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:41 -0500
Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:58 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:52 -0500
Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-18 16:37 -0500
Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-18 14:35 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:26 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:54 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 12:52 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-20 14:57 +1100
Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 04:54 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 05:02 +0000
Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 09:34 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 18:35 +0000
Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 19:19 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:54 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-20 13:13 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 14:04 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-20 14:10 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 14:25 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-20 18:38 -0500
Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:45 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-01-21 12:26 -0500
Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 17:41 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 10:24 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 20:48 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 12:55 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 21:20 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 13:47 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-22 02:22 -0800
Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:28 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 05:01 +0000
Re: MacLINUX "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2014-01-20 19:19 +0000
Re: MacLINUX Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 19:55 +0000
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| From | Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-17 18:31 -0500 |
| Subject | MacLINUX |
| Message-ID | <fmmck-D35046.18311417012014@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com> |
Although slightly off-topic, csms may be the best forum for this LINUX problem. My new toy is a Raspberry Pi. It runs Raspbian, a variation of Debian LINUX. In order to learn more about LINUX, I am attempting to install Debian LINUX on a spare internal HD in a Mac Pro. I have downloaded ISO disk images of Debian in four forms: 32 bit net install, 64 bit Gnome live desktop, 64 bit LXDE live desktop and a "Mini" version suggested at one website. So far, all attempts to install have failed. Using the rEFIt program, the newly installed LINUX HD appears, tries to boot but fails (no bootable device). Except for the "Mini" CD which hangs up half way through the boot-up process, the CDs and DVDs all boot on the Mac. It seems to me that this proves that Debian will work if I can only find the secret! Can anyone tell me how to install a working Debian LINUX on my Mac Pro? (I did manage to install a bootable version of "Puppy LINUX".) Fred
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-17 18:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52d9bef2$0$7163$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #54825 |
On 14-01-17 18:31, Fred McKenzie wrote: > So far, all attempts to install have failed. Using the rEFIt program, > the newly installed LINUX HD appears, tries to boot but fails (no > bootable device). Not familiar with the peculiarities of this, but remember that the Mac has a highly customized EFI firmware. So you have to make sure that when you load the Linux HD, you setup the GPT partition and possibly have to load a linux boot EFI program in that partition. While the MAC EFI has added logic to parse through an HFS volume to find the boot file, it may require a standard EFI program to let it parse through a Linux disk to find its boot file/block.
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| From | Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-17 23:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <fmmck-DFAC9B.23283617012014@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com> |
| In reply to | #54826 |
In article <52d9bef2$0$7163$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > Not familiar with the peculiarities of this, but remember that the Mac > has a highly customized EFI firmware. So you have to make sure that > when you load the Linux HD, you setup the GPT partition and possibly > have to load a linux boot EFI program in that partition. JF- Would that LINUX Boot EFI program be the Grub software? I have tried several ways to partition the HD. My apparent best results have been when I first created a single partition on the Mac and then deleted it. I let the LINUX installation program determine its preferred partitioning scheme. At first I thought the problem was that a "boot" flag had not been set. Setting the flag does not appear to make a difference. Fred
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-18 00:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <52da0ead$0$53813$c3e8da3$14a0410e@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #54849 |
On 14-01-17 23:28, Fred McKenzie wrote: > Would that LINUX Boot EFI program be the Grub software? I have no idea. I did ask my buddy Mr Google and one page it found: http://www.tuxation.com/linux-on-mac.html seems to provide a good explanation of steps to do. You need to end up with a .efi file in the EFI partition on the drive you are booting from. that .efi file contains information/code that lets you boot onto the right partition. (eg: some efi code that understand the linux file structure and can find the boot file/block on the specifci partition, as well as the config that tells it which partition to boot from). >
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| From | Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-17 17:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <h5sismvzib.fsf@ethel.the.log> |
| In reply to | #54825 |
Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> writes: > Although slightly off-topic, csms may be the best forum for this LINUX > problem. > > My new toy is a Raspberry Pi. It runs Raspbian, a variation of Debian > LINUX. In order to learn more about LINUX, I am attempting to install > Debian LINUX on a spare internal HD in a Mac Pro. > > I have downloaded ISO disk images of Debian in four forms: 32 bit net > install, 64 bit Gnome live desktop, 64 bit LXDE live desktop and a > "Mini" version suggested at one website. > > So far, all attempts to install have failed. Using the rEFIt program, > the newly installed LINUX HD appears, tries to boot but fails (no > bootable device). > > Except for the "Mini" CD which hangs up half way through the boot-up > process, the CDs and DVDs all boot on the Mac. It seems to me that this > proves that Debian will work if I can only find the secret! > > Can anyone tell me how to install a working Debian LINUX on my Mac Pro? > (I did manage to install a bootable version of "Puppy LINUX".) I've done this using rEFIt and a live DVD (which contained the Ubuntu variant of Debian and some other software). http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/try-ubuntu-before-you-install The live DVD allows you to skip the rEFIt step the first time, though you'll still need to get rEFIt working in order to boot from a disk.
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| From | Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-17 23:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <fmmck-7ADF33.23161117012014@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com> |
| In reply to | #54840 |
In article <h5sismvzib.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote: > I've done this using rEFIt and a live DVD (which contained the Ubuntu > variant of Debian and some other software). > > http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/try-ubuntu-before-you-install > > The live DVD allows you to skip the rEFIt step the first time, though > you'll still need to get rEFIt working in order to boot from a disk. Doug- I think rEFIt is working. There was a command issued in the Mac Terminal program that was supposed to make it work. It is able to see the installed LINUX system and lets me select that HD. I'll try to find the Terminal command and do it again, in case that is the problem. I have two "Live" disks for Debian (Gnome and LXDE). They each appear to install correctly when I choose the direct installation option. When choosing the Live option and then running the install program, it fails when it tries to install the Grub software. I found several websites that talked about installing Ubuntu. I did not realize it was a variant of Debian. I am hoping to end up with an installation on the Mac that resembles Raspberry Pi's Raspbian. Fred
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| From | Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> |
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| Date | 2014-01-17 22:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <mcmurtrie-A0EC20.22375317012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au> |
| In reply to | #54825 |
In article <fmmck-D35046.18311417012014@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> wrote: > Although slightly off-topic, csms may be the best forum for this LINUX > problem. > > My new toy is a Raspberry Pi. It runs Raspbian, a variation of Debian > LINUX. In order to learn more about LINUX, I am attempting to install > Debian LINUX on a spare internal HD in a Mac Pro. > > I have downloaded ISO disk images of Debian in four forms: 32 bit net > install, 64 bit Gnome live desktop, 64 bit LXDE live desktop and a > "Mini" version suggested at one website. > > So far, all attempts to install have failed. Using the rEFIt program, > the newly installed LINUX HD appears, tries to boot but fails (no > bootable device). > > Except for the "Mini" CD which hangs up half way through the boot-up > process, the CDs and DVDs all boot on the Mac. It seems to me that this > proves that Debian will work if I can only find the secret! > > Can anyone tell me how to install a working Debian LINUX on my Mac Pro? > (I did manage to install a bootable version of "Puppy LINUX".) > > Fred You can easily run Debian in a VM, like VirtualBox. The VM is preferable if you plan to mess with the operating system because you can always escape up one level for repairs. It's not so great for application development because of the performance overhead.
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| From | isw <isw@witzend.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-18 13:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <isw-C2C829.13451918012014@[216.168.3.50]> |
| In reply to | #54854 |
In article <mcmurtrie-A0EC20.22375317012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote: > In article <fmmck-D35046.18311417012014@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, > Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> wrote: > > > Although slightly off-topic, csms may be the best forum for this LINUX > > problem. > > > > My new toy is a Raspberry Pi. It runs Raspbian, a variation of Debian > > LINUX. In order to learn more about LINUX, I am attempting to install > > Debian LINUX on a spare internal HD in a Mac Pro. > > > > I have downloaded ISO disk images of Debian in four forms: 32 bit net > > install, 64 bit Gnome live desktop, 64 bit LXDE live desktop and a > > "Mini" version suggested at one website. > > > > So far, all attempts to install have failed. Using the rEFIt program, > > the newly installed LINUX HD appears, tries to boot but fails (no > > bootable device). > > > > Except for the "Mini" CD which hangs up half way through the boot-up > > process, the CDs and DVDs all boot on the Mac. It seems to me that this > > proves that Debian will work if I can only find the secret! > > > > Can anyone tell me how to install a working Debian LINUX on my Mac Pro? > > (I did manage to install a bootable version of "Puppy LINUX".) > > > > Fred > > You can easily run Debian in a VM, like VirtualBox. The VM is > preferable if you plan to mess with the operating system because you can > always escape up one level for repairs. It's not so great for > application development because of the performance overhead. Just out of curiosity, how much of a hit does something like VB impose? Do things take twice as long? 5% longer? Or what?? Isaac
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| From | Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> |
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| Date | 2014-01-18 17:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <mcmurtrie-088F16.17011418012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au> |
| In reply to | #54911 |
In article <isw-C2C829.13451918012014@[216.168.3.50]>, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote: > In article > <mcmurtrie-A0EC20.22375317012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, > Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote: > > > In article <fmmck-D35046.18311417012014@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, > > Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > Although slightly off-topic, csms may be the best forum for this LINUX > > > problem. > > > > > > My new toy is a Raspberry Pi. It runs Raspbian, a variation of Debian > > > LINUX. In order to learn more about LINUX, I am attempting to install > > > Debian LINUX on a spare internal HD in a Mac Pro. > > > > > > I have downloaded ISO disk images of Debian in four forms: 32 bit net > > > install, 64 bit Gnome live desktop, 64 bit LXDE live desktop and a > > > "Mini" version suggested at one website. > > > > > > So far, all attempts to install have failed. Using the rEFIt program, > > > the newly installed LINUX HD appears, tries to boot but fails (no > > > bootable device). > > > > > > Except for the "Mini" CD which hangs up half way through the boot-up > > > process, the CDs and DVDs all boot on the Mac. It seems to me that this > > > proves that Debian will work if I can only find the secret! > > > > > > Can anyone tell me how to install a working Debian LINUX on my Mac Pro? > > > (I did manage to install a bootable version of "Puppy LINUX".) > > > > > > Fred > > > > You can easily run Debian in a VM, like VirtualBox. The VM is > > preferable if you plan to mess with the operating system because you can > > always escape up one level for repairs. It's not so great for > > application development because of the performance overhead. > > Just out of curiosity, how much of a hit does something like VB impose? > Do things take twice as long? 5% longer? Or what?? > > Isaac I haven't used it in a while. The problem is that resources aren't shared efficiently between the native and virtual VM so using MacOS and the VM at the same time needs a lot of RAM and CPU. MacOS is also gaining a considerable amount of bloat and it hasn't been performance tuned enough to compensate. The best thing to do would be to try it. VirtualBox is free and trivial to set up.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-19 10:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ypWdnfO4a6mgb0bPnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #54911 |
On 2014.01.18, 16:45 , isw wrote:
> In article
> <mcmurtrie-A0EC20.22375317012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
>
>> In article <fmmck-D35046.18311417012014@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
>> Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Although slightly off-topic, csms may be the best forum for this LINUX
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> My new toy is a Raspberry Pi. It runs Raspbian, a variation of Debian
>>> LINUX. In order to learn more about LINUX, I am attempting to install
>>> Debian LINUX on a spare internal HD in a Mac Pro.
>>>
>>> I have downloaded ISO disk images of Debian in four forms: 32 bit net
>>> install, 64 bit Gnome live desktop, 64 bit LXDE live desktop and a
>>> "Mini" version suggested at one website.
>>>
>>> So far, all attempts to install have failed. Using the rEFIt program,
>>> the newly installed LINUX HD appears, tries to boot but fails (no
>>> bootable device).
>>>
>>> Except for the "Mini" CD which hangs up half way through the boot-up
>>> process, the CDs and DVDs all boot on the Mac. It seems to me that this
>>> proves that Debian will work if I can only find the secret!
>>>
>>> Can anyone tell me how to install a working Debian LINUX on my Mac Pro?
>>> (I did manage to install a bootable version of "Puppy LINUX".)
>>>
>>> Fred
>>
>> You can easily run Debian in a VM, like VirtualBox. The VM is
>> preferable if you plan to mess with the operating system because you can
>> always escape up one level for repairs. It's not so great for
>> application development because of the performance overhead.
>
> Just out of curiosity, how much of a hit does something like VB impose?
> Do things take twice as long? 5% longer? Or what??
With VMWare Fusion, on a 2 core machine, you'd hardly know it was
virtualized - less than 10% for sure - possibly less than 1 - 2%.
Really - the guest OS is running on the metal directly most of the time.
--
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
- Mike Tyson
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-19 18:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bk2ljdFia03U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54959 |
On 2014-01-19, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2014.01.18, 16:45 , isw wrote: >> >> Just out of curiosity, how much of a hit does something like VB impose? >> Do things take twice as long? 5% longer? Or what?? > > With VMWare Fusion, on a 2 core machine, you'd hardly know it was > virtualized - less than 10% for sure - possibly less than 1 - 2%. > Really - the guest OS is running on the metal directly most of the time. Yup, that's been my experience as well, with both VMWare and Parallels solutions, during the course of the past decade, with various versions of Windows and Linux. The performance hit is negligible for everything but 3D rendering and real-time A/V applications. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-01-18 10:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0t2dnXvC2JHPPkfPnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #54825 |
On 2014.01.17, 18:31 , Fred McKenzie wrote:
> Although slightly off-topic, csms may be the best forum for this LINUX
> problem.
>
> My new toy is a Raspberry Pi. It runs Raspbian, a variation of Debian
> LINUX. In order to learn more about LINUX, I am attempting to install
> Debian LINUX on a spare internal HD in a Mac Pro.
>
> I have downloaded ISO disk images of Debian in four forms: 32 bit net
> install, 64 bit Gnome live desktop, 64 bit LXDE live desktop and a
> "Mini" version suggested at one website.
>
> So far, all attempts to install have failed. Using the rEFIt program,
> the newly installed LINUX HD appears, tries to boot but fails (no
> bootable device).
>
> Except for the "Mini" CD which hangs up half way through the boot-up
> process, the CDs and DVDs all boot on the Mac. It seems to me that this
> proves that Debian will work if I can only find the secret!
>
> Can anyone tell me how to install a working Debian LINUX on my Mac Pro?
> (I did manage to install a bootable version of "Puppy LINUX".)
I haven't tried Debian so can't help you with the specifics. But a
thought about experimenting with other OS' on a Mac:
The "best" way IMO is under a virtualizer such as VMWare Fusion or
Parallels. That way your computer isn't "out of service" while you
tinker with Linux.
As a general purpose tinker Linux, Ubuntu is quite popular (and there
are many more of course). You DL the 64 b version (marked as "AMD" just
to make things confusing) burn as an ISO and then install. (There may
be a way to avoid burning a DVD or loading it onto a stick...)
Of course you can use any distro of Linux that you like.
--
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
- Mike Tyson
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| From | Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-18 16:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <fmmck-5A1C2F.16374118012014@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com> |
| In reply to | #54869 |
In article <0t2dnXvC2JHPPkfPnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > I haven't tried Debian so can't help you with the specifics. But a > thought about experimenting with other OS' on a Mac: > > The "best" way IMO is under a virtualizer such as VMWare Fusion or > Parallels. That way your computer isn't "out of service" while you > tinker with Linux. > > As a general purpose tinker Linux, Ubuntu is quite popular (and there > are many more of course). You DL the 64 b version (marked as "AMD" just > to make things confusing) burn as an ISO and then install. (There may > be a way to avoid burning a DVD or loading it onto a stick...) > > Of course you can use any distro of Linux that you like. This project has turned out to be more difficult than expected! Rather than fussing with a virtualizer, I purchased another HD for the 4th slot in the Mac Pro. I have older versions of Parallels and Fusion but got tired of them wanting an upgrade fee each time OS X was updated. So far I have been burning CDs and DVDs from ISO files using Disk Utility. I tried to restore an ISO to a thumb drive, but it did not work. Doug Anderson mentioned use of rEFIt. I found that I had missed a step. Now booting from LINUX just hangs up without an error message, but the LINUX HD shows up as two drives! I think I have a partition problem. The article that JF Mezei referenced appears to discuss the kind of problem I'm having. I'll study it and see if it has the answer I'm looking for. Thanks to all for the good advice. Fred
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2014-01-18 14:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-50BEE7.14355418012014@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54908 |
In article <fmmck-5A1C2F.16374118012014@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> wrote: > In article <0t2dnXvC2JHPPkfPnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > > > I haven't tried Debian so can't help you with the specifics. But a > > thought about experimenting with other OS' on a Mac: > > > > The "best" way IMO is under a virtualizer such as VMWare Fusion or > > Parallels. That way your computer isn't "out of service" while you > > tinker with Linux. > > > > As a general purpose tinker Linux, Ubuntu is quite popular (and there > > are many more of course). You DL the 64 b version (marked as "AMD" just > > to make things confusing) burn as an ISO and then install. (There may > > be a way to avoid burning a DVD or loading it onto a stick...) > > > > Of course you can use any distro of Linux that you like. > > This project has turned out to be more difficult than expected! Rather > than fussing with a virtualizer, I purchased another HD for the 4th slot > in the Mac Pro. I have older versions of Parallels and Fusion but got > tired of them wanting an upgrade fee each time OS X was updated. > > So far I have been burning CDs and DVDs from ISO files using Disk > Utility. I tried to restore an ISO to a thumb drive, but it did not > work. > > Doug Anderson mentioned use of rEFIt. I found that I had missed a step. > Now booting from LINUX just hangs up without an error message, but the > LINUX HD shows up as two drives! I think I have a partition problem. > > The article that JF Mezei referenced appears to discuss the kind of > problem I'm having. I'll study it and see if it has the answer I'm > looking for. > > Thanks to all for the good advice. > > Fred I found that most of Linux distros didn't install on my MacBookPro. Some of the distros LIVE CDs wouldn't even be recognized by the boot code. I did find a couple that ran from the CD but none that would install and boot. I attribute this to Apple's proprietary hardware and drivers needed to run things like Windows, which is why BootCamp has it's own drivers. Fusion and Parallels remove this layer and emulate generic X86 hardware. To do Kickstart testing, I bought a recycled 486 with 1GB memory and 10GB disk. It booted the network boot CD just fine and I was able to download Centos and Ubunto into it without a problem. If you need a Linux laptop, I'd get a recycled or cheap PC and use that installed of trying to get around the Mac proprietary hardware. Most instructions for getting Linux running assume a PC platform, not a Mac. It's your time or your money. You choose. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-01-19 04:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnldml0b.saj.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #54922 |
In message <vilain-50BEE7.14355418012014@news.individual.net> Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > In article <fmmck-5A1C2F.16374118012014@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, > Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> wrote: >> In article <0t2dnXvC2JHPPkfPnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, >> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >> >> > I haven't tried Debian so can't help you with the specifics. But a >> > thought about experimenting with other OS' on a Mac: >> > >> > The "best" way IMO is under a virtualizer such as VMWare Fusion or >> > Parallels. That way your computer isn't "out of service" while you >> > tinker with Linux. >> > >> > As a general purpose tinker Linux, Ubuntu is quite popular (and there >> > are many more of course). You DL the 64 b version (marked as "AMD" just >> > to make things confusing) burn as an ISO and then install. (There may >> > be a way to avoid burning a DVD or loading it onto a stick...) >> > >> > Of course you can use any distro of Linux that you like. >> >> This project has turned out to be more difficult than expected! Rather >> than fussing with a virtualizer, I purchased another HD for the 4th slot >> in the Mac Pro. I have older versions of Parallels and Fusion but got >> tired of them wanting an upgrade fee each time OS X was updated. >> >> So far I have been burning CDs and DVDs from ISO files using Disk >> Utility. I tried to restore an ISO to a thumb drive, but it did not >> work. >> >> Doug Anderson mentioned use of rEFIt. I found that I had missed a step. >> Now booting from LINUX just hangs up without an error message, but the >> LINUX HD shows up as two drives! I think I have a partition problem. >> >> The article that JF Mezei referenced appears to discuss the kind of >> problem I'm having. I'll study it and see if it has the answer I'm >> looking for. >> >> Thanks to all for the good advice. >> >> Fred > I found that most of Linux distros didn't install on my MacBookPro. > Some of the distros LIVE CDs wouldn't even be recognized by the boot > code. I did find a couple that ran from the CD but none that would > install and boot. > I attribute this to Apple's proprietary hardware and drivers needed to > run things like Windows, which is why BootCamp has it's own drivers. Nope, it's because the Windardos are still stuff in BIOS land despite EFI being around for over a decade. (technically almost two decades) Installing a linux distro under Parallels, Fusion, or even VirtualBox is trivial. -- The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-19 01:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bk0pjgF65qsU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #54908 |
On 2014-01-18, Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> wrote: > In article <0t2dnXvC2JHPPkfPnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > >> I haven't tried Debian so can't help you with the specifics. But a >> thought about experimenting with other OS' on a Mac: >> >> The "best" way IMO is under a virtualizer such as VMWare Fusion or >> Parallels. That way your computer isn't "out of service" while you >> tinker with Linux. >> >> As a general purpose tinker Linux, Ubuntu is quite popular (and there >> are many more of course). You DL the 64 b version (marked as "AMD" just >> to make things confusing) burn as an ISO and then install. (There may >> be a way to avoid burning a DVD or loading it onto a stick...) >> >> Of course you can use any distro of Linux that you like. > > This project has turned out to be more difficult than expected! Rather > than fussing with a virtualizer, I purchased another HD for the 4th slot > in the Mac Pro. I have older versions of Parallels and Fusion but got > tired of them wanting an upgrade fee each time OS X was updated. Too bad. Had you gone the VM route, I'm betting we wouldn't be having this conversation because you'd already be up and running. Yep, they make things that easy. You're making this way harder than it need be, if you ask me. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 12:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ye7g9u5qay.fsf@ethel.the.log> |
| In reply to | #54908 |
Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> writes: > In article <0t2dnXvC2JHPPkfPnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, > Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > > > I haven't tried Debian so can't help you with the specifics. But a > > thought about experimenting with other OS' on a Mac: > > > > The "best" way IMO is under a virtualizer such as VMWare Fusion or > > Parallels. That way your computer isn't "out of service" while you > > tinker with Linux. > > > > As a general purpose tinker Linux, Ubuntu is quite popular (and there > > are many more of course). You DL the 64 b version (marked as "AMD" just > > to make things confusing) burn as an ISO and then install. (There may > > be a way to avoid burning a DVD or loading it onto a stick...) > > > > Of course you can use any distro of Linux that you like. > > This project has turned out to be more difficult than expected! Rather > than fussing with a virtualizer, I purchased another HD for the 4th slot > in the Mac Pro. I have older versions of Parallels and Fusion but got > tired of them wanting an upgrade fee each time OS X was updated. > > So far I have been burning CDs and DVDs from ISO files using Disk > Utility. I tried to restore an ISO to a thumb drive, but it did not > work. > > Doug Anderson mentioned use of rEFIt. I found that I had missed a step. > Now booting from LINUX just hangs up without an error message, but the > LINUX HD shows up as two drives! I think I have a partition > problem. Installing linux was easy for me. But, getting the boat loader (rEFIt) working properly was harder. Getting the disk partitioned correctly was both hard and scary. I did this in October, didn't take good notes, and thus don't really have anything specific to offer in working through the preliminary steps. Here is a page that makes it look easier than I remember, so I don't totally trust it. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/dual-boot-os-ubuntu Here is a more detailed page that seems more believable: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation Good luck!
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| From | Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 14:57 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <jk7pd9519v3jequm4klsttt0gqs2ispqrk@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #54825 |
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:31:14 -0500, Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> wrote: >Although slightly off-topic, csms may be the best forum for this LINUX >problem. > >My new toy is a Raspberry Pi. It runs Raspbian, a variation of Debian >LINUX. In order to learn more about LINUX, I am attempting to install >Debian LINUX on a spare internal HD in a Mac Pro. > >I have downloaded ISO disk images of Debian in four forms: 32 bit net >install, 64 bit Gnome live desktop, 64 bit LXDE live desktop and a >"Mini" version suggested at one website. > >So far, all attempts to install have failed. Using the rEFIt program, >the newly installed LINUX HD appears, tries to boot but fails (no >bootable device). > >Except for the "Mini" CD which hangs up half way through the boot-up >process, the CDs and DVDs all boot on the Mac. It seems to me that this >proves that Debian will work if I can only find the secret! > >Can anyone tell me how to install a working Debian LINUX on my Mac Pro? >(I did manage to install a bootable version of "Puppy LINUX".) If you have OSX installed you have Darwin Linux installed. >Fred -- If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!
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| From | "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 04:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnldpamf.6j8.gsm@cable.mendelson.com> |
| In reply to | #55026 |
Barry OGrady wrote: > > If you have OSX installed you have Darwin Linux installed. > Darwin is a BSD (Berkely Systems Development) UNIX variant, not Linux. There was a version of Linux called MKLinux based upon the Mach Kernel for the pre-G PPC Macs. This was funded by Apple as a possible basis for OSX. However when Steve came back, it was dropped because the GPL was incompatible with his business needs, and he brought with him NexStep, which was built on BSD. You can open a terminal and get a BSD shell, which these days looks an awful lot like a Linux shell, and install X-Code, the development environment and download and compile many programs which were first developed on Linux. When I did it last, there was no library of the programs (called PORTS) available precompiled, but may have changed. You can also install X-Windows, the UNIX windowing system which is also used by Linux. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-01-20 05:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bk3p01FpbjaU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #55029 |
On 2014-01-20, Geoffrey S. Mendelson <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote: > Barry OGrady wrote: >> >> If you have OSX installed you have Darwin Linux installed. >> > Darwin is a BSD (Berkely Systems Development) UNIX variant, not Linux. Of course, but I'm pretty sure he was saying that tongue in cheek. ; ) > You can open a terminal and get a BSD shell, which these days looks an > awful lot like a Linux shell, and install X-Code, the development > environment and download and compile many programs which were first > developed on Linux. I'm pretty sure you're both saying essentially the same thing. At least that's how I interpreted his statement. : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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