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| Started by | Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> |
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| First post | 2019-01-30 19:21 -0500 |
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How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-01-30 19:21 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-30 19:38 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-31 04:37 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 09:12 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-31 15:41 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-31 22:55 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 08:42 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 12:48 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-31 13:29 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2019-01-31 14:24 -0600
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 05:24 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 13:41 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 13:50 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 14:30 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 05:26 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 08:47 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 10:57 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 16:18 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 15:26 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 21:03 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 16:12 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 21:57 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-02 11:23 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-02 10:24 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-03 05:12 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-03 19:14 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 21:56 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 18:34 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 19:49 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 17:05 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 15:29 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 22:02 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-01 18:37 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 09:14 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2019-01-31 07:59 -0800
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-31 11:04 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 05:28 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-31 12:49 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 03:21 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-02-01 04:49 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 10:57 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 17:02 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 16:16 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 17:02 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-01 12:56 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 13:05 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-01 13:34 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-01 13:48 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-03 12:01 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 18:51 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-01 15:27 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-01 20:52 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-02 08:09 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-01 21:05 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 22:01 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-02 08:14 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-02 16:40 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-02 18:36 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-03 01:23 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-03 08:54 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-03 19:23 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-02-03 14:49 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-03 22:23 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-03 17:16 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-03 22:51 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-04 08:38 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-04 12:12 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-04 18:00 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-04 13:10 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-02 11:43 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-03 05:13 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-03 19:15 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-04 00:41 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-04 11:25 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-04 13:15 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-04 15:28 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-04 16:17 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-04 16:40 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-04 18:07 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-06 19:53 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-06 20:01 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-07 14:00 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-07 14:08 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-07 14:09 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-02-07 14:10 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-08 02:41 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-08 02:39 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-03 19:44 -0500
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 22:00 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-02-01 22:02 +0000
Re: How to Securely Delete a Data File- RESOLVED Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-02-07 10:31 -0500
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| From | Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> |
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| Date | 2019-01-30 19:21 -0500 |
| Subject | How to Securely Delete a Data File |
| Message-ID | <q2tf2m$1th$1@news.albasani.net> |
I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave 10.14.3). How can I securely delete the copy? I guess I could just drag it to the trash bin, empty the trash bin and then wipe the free space on the drive- but that seems like time consuming over-kill.
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| From | Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-30 19:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D877ADA008B010AAB02919BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #121420 |
On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 19:21:40 -0500, Wade Garrett wrote (in article <q2tf2m$1th$1@news.albasani.net>): > I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that > resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave > 10.14.3). > > How can I securely delete the copy? > > I guess I could just drag it to the trash bin, empty the trash bin and > then wipe the free space on the drive- but that seems like time > consuming over-kill. How about open the file, copy paste Lorem Ipsum into it, and save it (or save and delete it)? Of course I don't know if the new AFS would leave previous unedited copies around. -- Ed
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 04:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnq54usd.17v7.g.kreme@jaka.local> |
| In reply to | #121420 |
In message <q2tf2m$1th$1@news.albasani.net> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote: > I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that > resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave > 10.14.3). > How can I securely delete the copy? If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the file. > I guess I could just drag it to the trash bin, empty the trash bin and > then wipe the free space on the drive- but that seems like time > consuming over-kill. I agree. -- You have the effrontery to be squeamish, it thought at him. But we were dragons. We were supposed to be cruel, cunning, heartless, and terrible. But this much I can tell you, you ape - the great face pressed even closer, so that Wonse was staring into the pitiless depths of his eyes - we never burned and tortured and ripped one another apart and called it morality. --Guards! Guards!
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 09:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <hIKdnXiX54L0n87BnZ2dnUU7-LednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #121443 |
On 2019-01-30 23:37, Lewis wrote:
> In message <q2tf2m$1th$1@news.albasani.net> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote:
>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that
>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave
>> 10.14.3).
>
>> How can I securely delete the copy?
>
> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the
> file.
Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole
drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file).
--
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we
need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 15:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnq565od.1t9e.g.kreme@Snow.local> |
| In reply to | #121451 |
In message <hIKdnXiX54L0n87BnZ2dnUU7-LednZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2019-01-30 23:37, Lewis wrote: >> In message <q2tf2m$1th$1@news.albasani.net> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote: >>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that >>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave >>> 10.14.3). >> >>> How can I securely delete the copy? >> >> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the >> file. > Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole > drive. It cannot be recovered by anyone who doesn't have the key. -- We only remembers that the elves sang. We forgets what it was they were singing about. --Lords and Ladies
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 22:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gbhcmvFdqsiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #121454 |
On 2019-01-31, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <hIKdnXiX54L0n87BnZ2dnUU7-LednZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >> On 2019-01-30 23:37, Lewis wrote: >>> In message <q2tf2m$1th$1@news.albasani.net> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote: >>>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that >>>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave >>>> 10.14.3). >>> >>>> How can I securely delete the copy? >>> >>> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the >>> file. > >> Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole >> drive. > > It cannot be recovered by anyone who doesn't have the key. ...but if I give someone the key then they can get in!!! ERRRMEGHEERD!!! -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-01 08:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Y8mdneGiYI9F0cnBnZ2dnUU7-f2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #121507 |
On 2019-01-31 17:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2019-01-31, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <hIKdnXiX54L0n87BnZ2dnUU7-LednZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-30 23:37, Lewis wrote:
>>>> In message <q2tf2m$1th$1@news.albasani.net> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote:
>>>>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that
>>>>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave
>>>>> 10.14.3).
>>>>
>>>>> How can I securely delete the copy?
>>>>
>>>> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the
>>>> file.
>>
>>> Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole
>>> drive.
>>
>> It cannot be recovered by anyone who doesn't have the key.
My news server barfed and I didn't see your post ... my reply below
suffices...
>
> ...but if I give someone the key then they can get in!!! ERRRMEGHEERD!!!
Let the end user decide where his paranoia lies...
So either, leave it alone and the files will be written over in time.
Or, write garbage everywhere to guarantee it.
--
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we
need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 12:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <CamdnfMFPfhEqc7BnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #121443 |
On 2019-01-30 23:37, Lewis wrote:
> In message <q2tf2m$1th$1@news.albasani.net> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote:
>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that
>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave
>> 10.14.3).
>
>> How can I securely delete the copy?
>
> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the
> file.
Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole
drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file).
--
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we
need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester
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| From | Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 13:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D878A8D308DDA41FB02919BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #121465 |
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 12:48:09 -0500, Alan Browne wrote (in article <CamdnfMFPfhEqc7BnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com>): > On 2019-01-30 23:37, Lewis wrote: >> In message <q2tf2m$1th$1@news.albasani.net> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> >> wrote: >>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that >>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave >>> 10.14.3). >> >>> How can I securely delete the copy? >> >> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the >> file. > > Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole > drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file). > > I think it makes a difference from whom you are trying to protect the file :) If it is the NSA or the KGB, you probably have to worry about this level of detail. On the other hand, if it's just your wife, you can probably just rename it and hide it in plain sight :) The problem with encrypted images is that you probably want to leave them mounted while using them. If you don't unmount them every time you leave the computer for a couple of minutes, they might as well be in the clear. I have personal journals etc which I don't wish to survive me so I have thought about this problem. I keep them, along with other items in an encrypted image. Unmounting the image everytime I get up to take a leak is impractical. On the other hand, if I don't unmount it and then drop over on the way to the toilet, the encryption is worthless. My solution is to have the computer sleep after an hour or so and require a password to wake from sleep. A reboot will unmount the image and I require a password to log in on reboot anyway. A skilled person will be able to defeat this but I don't anticipate that there is anyone both that skilled and that motivated at the same time. -- Ed
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| From | Elden <usenet@moondog.org> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 14:24 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <cvKdnYry4aQYxM7BnZ2dnUU7-SOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #121471 |
On 2019-01-31, Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote: > A skilled person will be able to defeat this but I don't anticipate > that there is anyone both that skilled and that motivated at the same > time. Yes. Both components are required. Very unlikely. -- -=Elden=-
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2019-02-01 05:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnq57m12.1anp.g.kreme@jaka.local> |
| In reply to | #121471 |
In message <0001HW.D878A8D308DDA41FB02919BF@news.astraweb.com> Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 12:48:09 -0500, Alan Browne wrote > (in article <CamdnfMFPfhEqc7BnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com>): >> On 2019-01-30 23:37, Lewis wrote: >>> In message <q2tf2m$1th$1@news.albasani.net> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> >>> wrote: >>>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that >>>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave >>>> 10.14.3). >>> >>>> How can I securely delete the copy? >>> >>> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the >>> file. >> >> Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole >> drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file). >> >> > I think it makes a difference from whom you are trying to protect the > file :) If it is the NSA or the KGB, you probably have to worry about > this level of detail. Nope. > The problem with encrypted images is that you probably want to leave > them mounted while using them. If you don't unmount them every time > you leave the computer for a couple of minutes, they might as well be > in the clear. True. I have one encrypted image that I use to store things like tax returns, scans of various important documents like death/birth certificates, and other things where I want them to be available regardless of what happens to my computers, so it lives on Dropbox and iCloud. Since th image is encrypted, I have no hesitation in storing it outside my computer. Because of the sort of data it contains, it is one 440MB. Could I store it on a USB thumb drive? Certainly, but then I'd be worried about that becoming corrupted, or having to find it, or making sure it is safe if the house burns down, etc. -- I WILL NOT CARVE GODS Bart chalkboard Ep. 8F11
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 13:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <310120191341297373%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #121465 |
In article <CamdnfMFPfhEqc7BnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > >> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that > >> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave > >> 10.14.3). > > > >> How can I securely delete the copy? > > > > If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the > > file. > > Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole > drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file). an attacker won't know what that is.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-31 13:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <JuOdnQmbE_4S3s7BnZ2dnUU7-VOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #121474 |
On 2019-01-31 13:41, nospam wrote:
> In article <CamdnfMFPfhEqc7BnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that
>>>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave
>>>> 10.14.3).
>>>
>>>> How can I securely delete the copy?
>>>
>>> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the
>>> file.
>>
>> Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole
>> drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file).
>
> an attacker won't know what that is.
Depends on the attacker and what access he has to the physical
environment. If the police have a search warrant and find the password
(written down for example) or recovery key then they'll get in.
It all depends on what the stuff is and how important it is to erase.
--
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we
need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-01-31 14:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <310120191430293763%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #121479 |
In article <JuOdnQmbE_4S3s7BnZ2dnUU7-VOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > >>>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that > >>>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave > >>>> 10.14.3). > >>> > >>>> How can I securely delete the copy? > >>> > >>> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the > >>> file. > >> > >> Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole > >> drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file). > > > > an attacker won't know what that is. > > Depends on the attacker and what access he has to the physical > environment. If the police have a search warrant and find the password > (written down for example) or recovery key then they'll get in. and if they don't (which they don't), they won't. and anyone who writes down their passphrase in plain text should not expect much security. at a minimum, make it a hint.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-02-01 05:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnq57m4v.1anp.g.kreme@jaka.local> |
| In reply to | #121479 |
In message <JuOdnQmbE_4S3s7BnZ2dnUU7-VOdnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2019-01-31 13:41, nospam wrote: >> In article <CamdnfMFPfhEqc7BnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne >> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >> >>>>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that >>>>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave >>>>> 10.14.3). >>>> >>>>> How can I securely delete the copy? >>>> >>>> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the >>>> file. >>> >>> Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole >>> drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file). >> >> an attacker won't know what that is. > Depends on the attacker and what access he has to the physical > environment. If the police have a search warrant and find the password > (written down for example) or recovery key then they'll get in. OK, you're goalpost shifting now. You're done. -- You are in my inappropriate thoughts
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-02-01 08:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Y8mdneCiYI9y0MnBnZ2dnUU7-f2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #121531 |
On 2019-02-01 00:26, Lewis wrote:
> In message <JuOdnQmbE_4S3s7BnZ2dnUU7-VOdnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2019-01-31 13:41, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <CamdnfMFPfhEqc7BnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that
>>>>>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave
>>>>>> 10.14.3).
>>>>>
>>>>>> How can I securely delete the copy?
>>>>>
>>>>> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the
>>>>> file.
>>>>
>>>> Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole
>>>> drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file).
>>>
>>> an attacker won't know what that is.
>
>> Depends on the attacker and what access he has to the physical
>> environment. If the police have a search warrant and find the password
>> (written down for example) or recovery key then they'll get in.
>
> OK, you're goalpost shifting now. You're done.
Not at all. While my sys password is in my head, my system HD recovery
key is written down and only superficially disguised. A determined
investigator/hacker has a good chance of connecting the dots.
--
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we
need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-02-01 10:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <010220191057060132%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #121543 |
In article <Y8mdneCiYI9y0MnBnZ2dnUU7-f2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > >>>>> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the > >>>>> file. > >>>> > >>>> Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole > >>>> drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file). > >>> > >>> an attacker won't know what that is. > > > >> Depends on the attacker and what access he has to the physical > >> environment. If the police have a search warrant and find the password > >> (written down for example) or recovery key then they'll get in. > > > > OK, you're goalpost shifting now. You're done. > > Not at all. While my sys password is in my head, my system HD recovery > key is written down and only superficially disguised. A determined > investigator/hacker has a good chance of connecting the dots. disguise it better.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-02-01 16:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnq58s9q.2mod.g.kreme@jaka.local> |
| In reply to | #121543 |
In message <Y8mdneCiYI9y0MnBnZ2dnUU7-f2dnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2019-02-01 00:26, Lewis wrote: >> In message <JuOdnQmbE_4S3s7BnZ2dnUU7-VOdnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>> On 2019-01-31 13:41, nospam wrote: >>>> In article <CamdnfMFPfhEqc7BnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne >>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that >>>>>>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave >>>>>>> 10.14.3). >>>>>> >>>>>>> How can I securely delete the copy? >>>>>> >>>>>> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the >>>>>> file. >>>>> >>>>> Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole >>>>> drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file). >>>> >>>> an attacker won't know what that is. >> >>> Depends on the attacker and what access he has to the physical >>> environment. If the police have a search warrant and find the password >>> (written down for example) or recovery key then they'll get in. >> >> OK, you're goalpost shifting now. You're done. > Not at all. While my sys password is in my head, my system HD recovery > key is written down and only superficially disguised. Then you're stupid. > A determined investigator/hacker has a good chance of connecting the > dots. Writing down a password is simply stupid. Period. There is no rational justification for it. -- "I program Windows - of course it isn't safe." - Meski
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-02-01 15:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jZKdnZdueI8XNsnBnZ2dnUU7-WudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #121550 |
On 2019-02-01 11:18, Lewis wrote:
> In message <Y8mdneCiYI9y0MnBnZ2dnUU7-f2dnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2019-02-01 00:26, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <JuOdnQmbE_4S3s7BnZ2dnUU7-VOdnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-31 13:41, nospam wrote:
>>>>> In article <CamdnfMFPfhEqc7BnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that
>>>>>>>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave
>>>>>>>> 10.14.3).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How can I securely delete the copy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the
>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole
>>>>>> drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file).
>>>>>
>>>>> an attacker won't know what that is.
>>>
>>>> Depends on the attacker and what access he has to the physical
>>>> environment. If the police have a search warrant and find the password
>>>> (written down for example) or recovery key then they'll get in.
>>>
>>> OK, you're goalpost shifting now. You're done.
>
>> Not at all. While my sys password is in my head, my system HD recovery
>> key is written down and only superficially disguised.
>
> Then you're stupid.
>
>> A determined investigator/hacker has a good chance of connecting the
>> dots.
>
> Writing down a password is simply stupid. Period. There is no rational
> justification for it.
Who said I wrote down a password? It's a recovery key. Not memorable
stuff...
--
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we
need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-02-01 21:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnq59d1c.b1l.g.kreme@jaka.local> |
| In reply to | #121582 |
In message <jZKdnZdueI8XNsnBnZ2dnUU7-WudnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2019-02-01 11:18, Lewis wrote: >> In message <Y8mdneCiYI9y0MnBnZ2dnUU7-f2dnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>> On 2019-02-01 00:26, Lewis wrote: >>>> In message <JuOdnQmbE_4S3s7BnZ2dnUU7-VOdnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2019-01-31 13:41, nospam wrote: >>>>>> In article <CamdnfMFPfhEqc7BnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne >>>>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I inadvertently created a copy of confidential Pages document that >>>>>>>>> resides on an encrypted sparsebundle on my spinning Macintosh HD (Mojave >>>>>>>>> 10.14.3). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How can I securely delete the copy? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If your disk has FileVault enabled, as it should, you simply delete the >>>>>>>> file. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can still be recovered because there is a single key for the whole >>>>>>> drive. (Unlike iOS with keys for each file). >>>>>> >>>>>> an attacker won't know what that is. >>>> >>>>> Depends on the attacker and what access he has to the physical >>>>> environment. If the police have a search warrant and find the password >>>>> (written down for example) or recovery key then they'll get in. >>>> >>>> OK, you're goalpost shifting now. You're done. >> >>> Not at all. While my sys password is in my head, my system HD recovery >>> key is written down and only superficially disguised. >> >> Then you're stupid. >> >>> A determined investigator/hacker has a good chance of connecting the >>> dots. >> >> Writing down a password is simply stupid. Period. There is no rational >> justification for it. > Who said I wrote down a password? It's a recovery key. Not memorable > stuff... A recovery key is a password. -- "Oh damn", said Maladict.
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