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| Started by | Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> |
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| First post | 2019-01-18 12:56 -0500 |
| Last post | 2019-01-19 11:46 -0500 |
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Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-18 12:56 -0500
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-18 10:11 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 10:22 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-18 10:28 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 10:30 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-18 20:45 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 14:45 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 05:02 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-18 13:28 -0500
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 10:32 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 10:20 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 10:26 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-18 21:17 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2019-01-18 13:08 -0600
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 11:18 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2019-01-18 14:40 -0600
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 05:02 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-19 09:05 +1300
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 05:02 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 21:56 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-19 19:37 +1300
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-19 19:47 +1300
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-18 23:13 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-19 00:52 -0700
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-18 23:54 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-19 15:42 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-19 11:34 -0500
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-18 21:17 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-18 17:14 -0500
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-01-18 19:51 -0600
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-18 21:03 -0500
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-01-19 18:34 -0600
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-19 16:17 +1300
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-18 23:14 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-18 20:53 -0700
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-19 17:04 +1300
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-01-19 18:36 -0600
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-20 04:26 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 08:14 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-19 04:26 -0700
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 13:24 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-19 07:31 -0700
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 15:08 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 17:18 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 18:29 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-19 11:03 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 19:08 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-19 14:11 -0500
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 19:35 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 20:02 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 20:12 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 20:17 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-20 03:33 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-20 13:16 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-20 17:52 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-20 19:54 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-20 14:57 -0500
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-21 00:19 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-21 17:45 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-21 12:58 -0500
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-22 04:18 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2019-01-22 12:13 -0600
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-22 21:48 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-23 21:41 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-24 01:09 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-24 16:21 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-20 11:59 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-20 20:28 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-20 13:51 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-20 22:07 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2019-01-20 17:51 -0500
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-20 23:37 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-21 12:47 -0700
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-21 20:51 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-21 13:27 +1300
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2019-01-20 20:06 -0500
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-21 14:29 +1300
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-21 17:36 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-01-20 17:09 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-20 17:18 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-21 18:35 +1300
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-20 22:58 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-19 11:26 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 20:21 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-19 12:25 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 20:46 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-19 12:57 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 22:49 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-19 15:19 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-19 15:44 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 18:34 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-19 11:03 -0800
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 19:14 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 20:06 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 20:10 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-20 03:31 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-19 15:44 +0000
Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2019-01-19 11:46 -0500
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2019-01-22 04:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnq4d6de.1bfg.g.kreme@Snow.local> |
| In reply to | #120886 |
In message <gakhfnF2oeiU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2019-01-20, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >> On 20/01/2019 17:52, Jolly Roger wrote: >>> On 2019-01-20, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >> [....] >>>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >>> >>> I don't recommend one. I personally use a command-line client called >>> slrn; but then I'm very comfortable with command-line environments. >> >> OK. Thank you. >> >> I've read here, but see no mention of Apple computers:- >> >> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/download.html >> >> Will you share your 'method' with me? > Sure. Here's my basic method: > # curl -O https://www.jedsoft.org/releases/slang/slang-2.3.2.tar.bz2 > # tar xzf slang-2.3.2.tar.bz2 > # cd slang-2.3.2 > # ./configure > # make > # sudo make install > # curl -O http://jedsoft.org/releases/slrn/slrn-1.0.3a.tar.bz2 > # tar slrn-1.0.3a.tar.bz2 > # cd slrn-1.0.3a > # ./configure > # make > # sudo make install I used to do the same, but homebrew has been keeping up to date, so I simply do brew install slrn > Create/configure ~/.slrnrc, score file, terminal properties, and so on. > I typically configure a Terminal profile to run this command to start > slrn: > clear; ssh -t my.server.hostname 'news' I run slrn locally on whatever machine I am on, but I store all the config files in Dropbox so wherever I am, I have the same newsrc, scores, settings, etc. -- I WILL NOT DO THE DIRTY BIRD Bart chalkboard Ep. AABF08
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| From | Elden <usenet@moondog.org> |
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| Date | 2019-01-22 12:13 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <H6qdneWoftrLwNrBnZ2dnUU7-KOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #120937 |
On 2019-01-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > I used to do the same, but homebrew has been keeping up to date, so I > simply do > > brew install slrn Macports has always worked pretty well for me. > I run slrn locally on whatever machine I am on, but I store all the > config files in Dropbox so wherever I am, I have the same newsrc, > scores, settings, etc. I run mine in a "screen" session on a machine sitting at home. I do that for my IRC client as well. This way I can come in from anywhere and connect whether it's from a Windows box or my iPad. -- -=Elden=-
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2019-01-22 21:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnq4f3sr.1r3n.g.kreme@Snow.local> |
| In reply to | #120960 |
In message <H6qdneWoftrLwNrBnZ2dnUU7-KOdnZ2d@giganews.com> Elden <usenet@moondog.org> wrote: > On 2019-01-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> I used to do the same, but homebrew has been keeping up to date, so I >> simply do >> >> brew install slrn > Macports has always worked pretty well for me. Mac Ports requires a 7GB install of Xcode, home brew does not. >> I run slrn locally on whatever machine I am on, but I store all the >> config files in Dropbox so wherever I am, I have the same newsrc, >> scores, settings, etc. > I run mine in a "screen" session on a machine sitting at home. I do that > for my IRC client as well. This way I can come in from anywhere and > connect whether it's from a Windows box or my iPad. I used to do that, but it fucks up the encoding and srollback. -- Wally: That's my nickname, "Waly" with one el. Dilbert: Who calls you that? Wally: Most people, they just don't realize it.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-23 21:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gas5bsFnqsqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #120960 |
On 2019-01-22, Elden <usenet@moondog.org> wrote: > On 2019-01-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> I run slrn locally on whatever machine I am on, but I store all the >> config files in Dropbox so wherever I am, I have the same newsrc, >> scores, settings, etc. > > I run mine in a "screen" session on a machine sitting at home. I do that > for my IRC client as well. This way I can come in from anywhere and > connect whether it's from a Windows box or my iPad. I have it running on my headless closet Mac mini server. I just ssh into it to use it from any device I'm using at the time. I don't see a need to keep it running indefinitely; so no need for screen. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2019-01-24 01:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnq4i433.sjr.g.kreme@Snow.local> |
| In reply to | #121026 |
In message <gas5bsFnqsqU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2019-01-22, Elden <usenet@moondog.org> wrote: >> On 2019-01-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> >>> I run slrn locally on whatever machine I am on, but I store all the >>> config files in Dropbox so wherever I am, I have the same newsrc, >>> scores, settings, etc. >> >> I run mine in a "screen" session on a machine sitting at home. I do that >> for my IRC client as well. This way I can come in from anywhere and >> connect whether it's from a Windows box or my iPad. > I have it running on my headless closet Mac mini server. I just ssh into > it to use it from any device I'm using at the time. I don't see a need > to keep it running indefinitely; so no need for screen. I did have a need to keep IRC running all the time, so that was when I heavily used screen. Well, ok, to be fair I still use it for my servers so that regardless of the computer/device I am on, I get the same session. In fact, for my mail server I have a set of aliases that allow me to keep multiple sessions active. alias sshm='ssh -t lewis@mail.myserver.tld screen -h 5000 -DRRSU mail' alias sshm1='ssh -t lewis@mail.myserver.tld screen -h 5000 -DRRSU mail1' alias sshm2='ssh -t lewis@mail.myserver.tld screen -h 5000 -DRRSU mail2' alias sshw='ssh -t lewis@www.myserver.tld screen -h 5000 -DRRSU web' alias sshw1='ssh -t lewis@www.myserver.tld screen -h 5000 -DRRSU web1' alias sshw2='ssh -t lewis@www.myserver.tld screen -h 5000 -DRRSU web2' But other than that single use of Screen I really do not use any of its features any more. -- I have seen galaxies die. I have watched atoms dance. But until I had the dark behind the eyes, I didn't know the death from the dance.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-24 16:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gau711F6tjrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #121047 |
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <gas5bsFnqsqU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> On 2019-01-22, Elden <usenet@moondog.org> wrote: >>> On 2019-01-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >>> >>>> I run slrn locally on whatever machine I am on, but I store all the >>>> config files in Dropbox so wherever I am, I have the same newsrc, >>>> scores, settings, etc. >>> >>> I run mine in a "screen" session on a machine sitting at home. I do that >>> for my IRC client as well. This way I can come in from anywhere and >>> connect whether it's from a Windows box or my iPad. > >> I have it running on my headless closet Mac mini server. I just ssh into >> it to use it from any device I'm using at the time. I don't see a need >> to keep it running indefinitely; so no need for screen. > > I did have a need to keep IRC running all the time, so that was when I > heavily used screen. I didn’t say I never use screen - I just don’t need it for slrn. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2019-01-20 11:59 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <q22jv5$m2$2@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #120855 |
On 2019-01-20 13:16:56 +0000, David B. said: > On 20/01/2019 03:33, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2019-01-19, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>> On 19/01/2019 20:12, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2019-01-19, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>> On 19/01/2019 19:35, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>>> On 2019-01-19, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had THOUGHT that I'd set things correctly. Your linked helped a great >>>>>>> deal, but I STILL see the incorrect spelling in André's header. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I even ventured into the area where "There be dragons" and changed a >>>>>>> couple of things but still to no avail. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Might it be best to uninstall Thunderbird and then install a new version >>>>>>> and start from scratch? >>>>>> >>>>>> I doubt that would change your settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't used Thunderbird in ages, but I suspect you need to change >>>>>> Preferences > Display > Formatting > Advanced > Incoming Mail to >>>>>> Unicode. You may also need to change the default encoding in Accounts > >>>>>> View settings for this account > Server Settings > Default Text >>>>>> Encoding. There's also the View > Text Encoding menu to consider. And >>>>>> maybe there are other places I haven't thought of. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just installed Thunderbird and all appears fine with the default >>>>>> settings: >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://i.imgur.com/zxoJpWi.png> >>>>>> >>>>>> While viewing André's posts, the View > Text Encoding menu shows >>>>>> Unicode. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for going to so much trouble to check. I appreciate that. >>>>> >>>>> If you now click on the 'MORE' tab and read the header does the name >>>>> show as 'André'? >>>> >>>> No. It shows incorrectly there. Probably a bug in Thunderbird. It does >>>> show correctly in the main view though. >>> >>> <cough> May I respectfully refer you to my original question? >>> >>> Message-ID: <Z%A0E.41463$7S2.41268@fx08.fr7> >>> >>> http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154792896000 >> >> And now you know. > > I do! And so do you! ;-) > > Seriously, I really do appreciate you taking the time and trouble to > 'investigate' - it's no big deal, just something I noticed. > >> Your options are: >> >> 1. Get a better news client, or >> 2. Deal with it. > > I've used SeaMonkey - but I found it much the same as Thunderbird. > > Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special circumstances.
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| From | "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2019-01-20 20:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PR41E.80755$Yn2.15001@fx26.fr7> |
| In reply to | #120872 |
On 20/01/2019 19:59, gtr wrote: > On 2019-01-20 13:16:56 +0000, David B. said: > >> On 20/01/2019 03:33, Jolly Roger wrote: >>> On 2019-01-19, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>> On 19/01/2019 20:12, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>> On 2019-01-19, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>> On 19/01/2019 19:35, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>>>> On 2019-01-19, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had THOUGHT that I'd set things correctly. Your linked helped >>>>>>>> a great >>>>>>>> deal, but I STILL see the incorrect spelling in André's header. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I even ventured into the area where "There be dragons" and >>>>>>>> changed a >>>>>>>> couple of things but still to no avail. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Might it be best to uninstall Thunderbird and then install a new >>>>>>>> version >>>>>>>> and start from scratch? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I doubt that would change your settings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't used Thunderbird in ages, but I suspect you need to change >>>>>>> Preferences > Display > Formatting > Advanced > Incoming Mail to >>>>>>> Unicode. You may also need to change the default encoding in >>>>>>> Accounts > >>>>>>> View settings for this account > Server Settings > Default Text >>>>>>> Encoding. There's also the View > Text Encoding menu to consider. >>>>>>> And >>>>>>> maybe there are other places I haven't thought of. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just installed Thunderbird and all appears fine with the default >>>>>>> settings: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://i.imgur.com/zxoJpWi.png> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While viewing André's posts, the View > Text Encoding menu shows >>>>>>> Unicode. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for going to so much trouble to check. I appreciate that. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you now click on the 'MORE' tab and read the header does the name >>>>>> show as 'André'? >>>>> >>>>> No. It shows incorrectly there. Probably a bug in Thunderbird. It does >>>>> show correctly in the main view though. >>>> >>>> <cough> May I respectfully refer you to my original question? >>>> >>>> Message-ID: <Z%A0E.41463$7S2.41268@fx08.fr7> >>>> >>>> http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154792896000 >>> >>> And now you know. >> >> I do! And so do you! ;-) >> >> Seriously, I really do appreciate you taking the time and trouble to >> 'investigate' - it's no big deal, just something I noticed. >> >>> Your options are: >>> >>> 1. Get a better news client, or >>> 2. Deal with it. >> >> I've used SeaMonkey - but I found it much the same as Thunderbird. >> >> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? > > I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special > circumstances. Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. Neither is available in my APP store. I'll persevere with Thunderbird. It's far better now than it used to be. -- David B.
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2019-01-20 13:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <q22qhj$5q4$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #120873 |
On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: > On 20/01/2019 19:59, gtr wrote: >> On 2019-01-20 13:16:56 +0000, David B. said: >> >>> On 20/01/2019 03:33, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2019-01-19, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>> On 19/01/2019 20:12, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>>> On 2019-01-19, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>> On 19/01/2019 19:35, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2019-01-19, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I had THOUGHT that I'd set things correctly. Your linked helped a great >>>>>>>>> deal, but I STILL see the incorrect spelling in André's header. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I even ventured into the area where "There be dragons" and changed a >>>>>>>>> couple of things but still to no avail. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Might it be best to uninstall Thunderbird and then install a new version >>>>>>>>> and start from scratch? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I doubt that would change your settings. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I haven't used Thunderbird in ages, but I suspect you need to change >>>>>>>> Preferences > Display > Formatting > Advanced > Incoming Mail to >>>>>>>> Unicode. You may also need to change the default encoding in Accounts > >>>>>>>> View settings for this account > Server Settings > Default Text >>>>>>>> Encoding. There's also the View > Text Encoding menu to consider. And >>>>>>>> maybe there are other places I haven't thought of. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just installed Thunderbird and all appears fine with the default >>>>>>>> settings: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://i.imgur.com/zxoJpWi.png> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While viewing André's posts, the View > Text Encoding menu shows >>>>>>>> Unicode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for going to so much trouble to check. I appreciate that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you now click on the 'MORE' tab and read the header does the name >>>>>>> show as 'André'? >>>>>> >>>>>> No. It shows incorrectly there. Probably a bug in Thunderbird. It does >>>>>> show correctly in the main view though. >>>>> >>>>> <cough> May I respectfully refer you to my original question? >>>>> >>>>> Message-ID: <Z%A0E.41463$7S2.41268@fx08.fr7> >>>>> >>>>> http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154792896000 >>>> >>>> And now you know. >>> >>> I do! And so do you! ;-) >>> >>> Seriously, I really do appreciate you taking the time and trouble to >>> 'investigate' - it's no big deal, just something I noticed. >>> >>>> Your options are: >>>> >>>> 1. Get a better news client, or >>>> 2. Deal with it. >>> >>> I've used SeaMonkey - but I found it much the same as Thunderbird. >>> >>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >> >> I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special circumstances. > > Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. I use both, I'm on Mojave. > Neither is available in my APP store. > > I'll persevere with Thunderbird. It's far better now than it used to be. Carry on!
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| From | "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2019-01-20 22:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Ni61E.109352$Mo2.88623@fx28.fr7> |
| In reply to | #120875 |
On 20/01/2019 21:51, gtr wrote: > On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: [....] >>>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >>> >>> I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special >>> circumstances. >> >> Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. > > I use both, I'm on Mojave. Oh! I stand corrected. :-( Can you show/tell me how I can obtain and install one or both of them? >> Neither is available in my APP store. >> >> I'll persevere with Thunderbird. It's far better now than it used to be. > > Carry on! Thanks! :-) <salutes> -- David B.
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| From | YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-20 17:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <q22u1g$2h9s$1@adenine.netfront.net> |
| In reply to | #120877 |
On 1/20/19 5:07 PM, David B. wrote: > On 20/01/2019 21:51, gtr wrote: >> On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: > [....] >>>>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >>>> >>>> I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special >>>> circumstances. >>> >>> Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. >> >> I use both, I'm on Mojave. > > Oh! I stand corrected. :-( Can you show/tell me how I can obtain and > install one or both of them? https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/ Thoth is discontinued, >>> Neither is available in my APP store. >>> >>> I'll persevere with Thunderbird. It's far better now than it used to be. >> >> Carry on! > > Thanks! :-) <salutes> > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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| From | "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2019-01-20 23:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <MC71E.17740$Hn2.8655@fx19.fr7> |
| In reply to | #120880 |
On 20/01/2019 22:51, YK wrote: > On 1/20/19 5:07 PM, David B. wrote: >> On 20/01/2019 21:51, gtr wrote: >>> On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: >> [....] >>>>>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >>>>> >>>>> I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special >>>>> circumstances. >>>> >>>> Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. >>> >>> I use both, I'm on Mojave. >> >> Oh! I stand corrected. :-( Can you show/tell me how I can obtain and >> install one or both of them? > > https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/ Wow! Thanks for that. Can anyone confirm that installing this software will not harm my iMac? > Thoth is discontinued, I thought that was the case. :-( >>>> Neither is available in my APP store. >>>> >>>> I'll persevere with Thunderbird. It's far better now than it used to >>>> be. >>> >>> Carry on! >> >> Thanks! :-) <salutes> -- David B.
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| From | André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-01-21 12:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <q257jm$gcl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #120883 |
On 2019-01-20 4:37 p.m., David B. wrote: > On 20/01/2019 22:51, YK wrote: >> On 1/20/19 5:07 PM, David B. wrote: >>> On 20/01/2019 21:51, gtr wrote: >>>> On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: >>> [....] >>>>>>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >>>>>> >>>>>> I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special >>>>>> circumstances. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. >>>> >>>> I use both, I'm on Mojave. >>> >>> Oh! I stand corrected. :-( Can you show/tell me how I can obtain and >>> install one or both of them? >> >> https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/ > > Wow! Thanks for that. > > Can anyone confirm that installing this software will not harm my iMac? No. Installing software is always a bad idea. In fact, you should probably remove any software that was preinstalled on your computer (e.g. Pages, macOS, etc.) André -- To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail service.
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| From | "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2019-01-21 20:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <whq1E.25045$Hn2.4773@fx19.fr7> |
| In reply to | #120910 |
On 21/01/2019 19:47, André G. Isaak wrote: > On 2019-01-20 4:37 p.m., David B. wrote: >> On 20/01/2019 22:51, YK wrote: >>> On 1/20/19 5:07 PM, David B. wrote: >>>> On 20/01/2019 21:51, gtr wrote: >>>>> On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: >>>> [....] >>>>>>>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special >>>>>>> circumstances. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. >>>>> >>>>> I use both, I'm on Mojave. >>>> >>>> Oh! I stand corrected. :-( Can you show/tell me how I can obtain >>>> and install one or both of them? >>> >>> https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/ >> >> Wow! Thanks for that. >> >> Can anyone confirm that installing this software will not harm my iMac? > > No. Installing software is always a bad idea. > > In fact, you should probably remove any software that was preinstalled > on your computer (e.g. Pages, macOS, etc.) Now you're simply teasing, André. :-P Apple says ..... macOS includes a technology called Gatekeeper, that's designed to ensure that only trusted software runs on your Mac. The safest place to get apps for your Mac is the App Store. Apple reviews each app in the App Store before it’s accepted and signs it to ensure that it hasn’t been tampered with or altered. If there’s ever a problem with an app, Apple can quickly remove it from the store. If you download and install apps from the internet or directly from a developer, macOS continues to protect your Mac. When you install Mac apps, plug-ins, and installer packages from outside the App Store, macOS checks the Developer ID signature and notarization status to verify that the software is from an identified developer and that it has not been altered. With macOS Mojave, developers can also have their app notarized by Apple—an indication that the app was uploaded to Apple and passed a security check before it was distributed. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT20249 -- David B.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-21 13:27 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <q233l6$1q3d$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #120880 |
On 2019-01-20 22:51:26 +0000, YK said: > On 1/20/19 5:07 PM, David B. wrote: >> On 20/01/2019 21:51, gtr wrote: >>> On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: >> [....] >>>>>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >>>>> >>>>> I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special circumstances. >>>> >>>> Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. >>> >>> I use both, I'm on Mojave. >> >> Oh! I stand corrected. :-( Can you show/tell me how I can obtain and >> install one or both of them? > > https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/ > > Thoth is discontinued, Both are actually discontinued, but they do still work ... at least as far as macOS Mojave. Unison 2.2 can be downloaded form the link you gave. You can get Thoth 1.9.12 from, among other places, <https://download.cnet.com/Thoth/3000-2164_4-6733.html>
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| From | YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-20 20:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <q235uf$8a8$1@adenine.netfront.net> |
| In reply to | #120887 |
On 1/20/19 7:27 PM, Your Name wrote: > On 2019-01-20 22:51:26 +0000, YK said: >> On 1/20/19 5:07 PM, David B. wrote: >>> On 20/01/2019 21:51, gtr wrote: >>>> On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: >>> [....] >>>>>>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >>>>>> >>>>>> I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special >>>>>> circumstances. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. >>>> >>>> I use both, I'm on Mojave. >>> >>> Oh! I stand corrected. :-( Can you show/tell me how I can obtain and >>> install one or both of them? >> >> https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/ >> >> Thoth is discontinued, > > Both are actually discontinued, but they do still work ... at least as > far as macOS Mojave. > > Unison 2.2 can be downloaded form the link you gave. > > You can get Thoth 1.9.12 from, among other places, > <https://download.cnet.com/Thoth/3000-2164_4-6733.html> That's fine, but I don't recommend downloads from CNet --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-21 14:29 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <q2379j$8un$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #120889 |
On 2019-01-21 01:06:21 +0000, YK said: > On 1/20/19 7:27 PM, Your Name wrote: >> On 2019-01-20 22:51:26 +0000, YK said: >>> On 1/20/19 5:07 PM, David B. wrote: >>>> On 20/01/2019 21:51, gtr wrote: >>>>> On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: >>>> [....] >>>>>>>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special circumstances. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. >>>>> >>>>> I use both, I'm on Mojave. >>>> >>>> Oh! I stand corrected. :-( Can you show/tell me how I can obtain and >>>> install one or both of them? >>> >>> https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/ >>> >>> Thoth is discontinued, >> >> Both are actually discontinued, but they do still work ... at least as >> far as macOS Mojave. >> >> Unison 2.2 can be downloaded form the link you gave. >> >> You can get Thoth 1.9.12 from, among other places, >> <https://download.cnet.com/Thoth/3000-2164_4-6733.html> > > That's fine, but I don't recommend downloads from CNet After checking some of the other places that supposedly have it, CNet seems to be the only one with an actual valid download link. The problem with Thoth may be that it was shareware and you can no longer register it. The final version of Unison was released as freeware, so it fully usable.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-21 17:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <game85Ffpc1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #120889 |
YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> wrote: > On 1/20/19 7:27 PM, Your Name wrote: >> On 2019-01-20 22:51:26 +0000, YK said: >>> On 1/20/19 5:07 PM, David B. wrote: >>>> On 20/01/2019 21:51, gtr wrote: >>>>> On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: >>>> [....] >>>>>>>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special >>>>>>> circumstances. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. >>>>> >>>>> I use both, I'm on Mojave. >>>> >>>> Oh! I stand corrected. :-( Can you show/tell me how I can obtain and >>>> install one or both of them? >>> >>> https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/ >>> >>> Thoth is discontinued, >> >> Both are actually discontinued, but they do still work ... at least as >> far as macOS Mojave. >> >> Unison 2.2 can be downloaded form the link you gave. >> >> You can get Thoth 1.9.12 from, among other places, >> <https://download.cnet.com/Thoth/3000-2164_4-6733.html> > > That's fine, but I don't recommend downloads from CNet Good advice since CNET Downloads is known to bundle adware and worse with installers they host. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-20 17:09 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.21F5536403E14CAD70000CCDE2CF@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #120887 |
On Jan 20, 2019, Your Name wrote (in article <q233l6$1q3d$1@gioia.aioe.org>): > On 2019-01-20 22:51:26 +0000, YK said: > > On 1/20/19 5:07 PM, David B. wrote: > > > On 20/01/2019 21:51, gtr wrote: > > > > On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: > > > [....] > > > > > > > Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? > > > > > > > > > > > > I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special > > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. > > > > > > > > I use both, I'm on Mojave. > > > > > > Oh! I stand corrected. :-( Can you show/tell me how I can obtain and > > > install one or both of them? > > > > https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/ > > > > Thoth is discontinued, > > Both are actually discontinued, but they do still work ... at least as > far as macOS Mojave. > > Unison 2.2 can be downloaded form the link you gave. ...and Unison1.8.1 still works on High Sierra. > > > You can get Thoth 1.9.12 from, among other places, > <https://download.cnet.com/Thoth/3000-2164_4-6733.html> Then there is Hogwasher. <https://www.asar.com/hogwasher.html> -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2019-01-20 17:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <q236kf$b2v$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #120890 |
On 2019-01-21 01:09:56 +0000, Savageduck said: > On Jan 20, 2019, Your Name wrote > (in article <q233l6$1q3d$1@gioia.aioe.org>): > >> On 2019-01-20 22:51:26 +0000, YK said: >>> On 1/20/19 5:07 PM, David B. wrote: >>>> On 20/01/2019 21:51, gtr wrote: >>>>> On 2019-01-20 20:28:29 +0000, David B. said: >>>> [....] >>>>>>>> Which OTHER newsreader do you recommend for use on my iMac? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use Unision and fall back occasionally to Thoth for special >>>>>>> circumstances. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, gtr, but I think they are too old to work with Mojave. >>>>> >>>>> I use both, I'm on Mojave. >>>> >>>> Oh! I stand corrected. :-( Can you show/tell me how I can obtain and >>>> install one or both of them? >>> >>> https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-unison/ >>> >>> Thoth is discontinued, >> >> Both are actually discontinued, but they do still work ... at least as >> far as macOS Mojave. >> >> Unison 2.2 can be downloaded form the link you gave. > > ...and Unison1.8.1 still works on High Sierra. Unison 2.2 has some problems that keeps it from working properly. Eventually giving up on it, I went back to v2.1.10. >> You can get Thoth 1.9.12 from, among other places, >> <https://download.cnet.com/Thoth/3000-2164_4-6733.html> I'm still using 1.9.1 and it works fine. Both Unison and Thoth work just fine for me monitoring the continuously dwindling drivel in 3 or 4 dying usenet groups. > Then there is Hogwasher. > <https://www.asar.com/hogwasher.html>
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