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Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!

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First post	2019-01-09 23:24 +0000
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#120598

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2019-01-15 01:15 +0000
Message-ID	<ga4qhiFis3aU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120592

On 2019-01-15, arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2019 17:12:13 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Bullshit. You can side load apps and write your own non-Apple-vetted
>> apps no iOS.
>
> *You Apologists always brazenly fabricate imaginary iOS functionality.*

You Apple-hating froth-mouthed trolls always claim the simplest things
are *impossible* on iOS, making yourselves look like complete and utter
*fools* to anyone who knows better.

> So let's _check_ you on your facts with respect to "privacy".
>
> On Android, I've uploaded a score of (simple) custom apps.
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9700091custom01.jpg>
>
> Google doesn't know a thing about it.
> o I downloaded the IDE software without telling Google who I was
> o I use the IDE software without telling Google who I am
> o I side loaded the apps to my phone without telling Google who I am
>
> Now, Jolly Roger, tell me, ahem, tell us all please....
>
> How are you going to do something even as simple as _that_
> without the privacy implication of having to inform Apple of your AppleID?

Simple:

1. Connect the iPhone to your Mac with its USB cable.
2. Launch xCode and open an iOS app project.
3. From the menu bar, choose Product > Destination > iPhone.
4. Click the Run button. The app transfers to the iPhone and launches.
Debug to your heart's content.

<https://i.imgur.com/QZ4xT6yg.png>
<https://i.imgur.com/sM7rac1g.png>
<https://i.imgur.com/iTj3pqE.jpg>
<https://i.imgur.com/IjZNU6W.png>

Stuck your big, stinky foot in your own mouth on that one.

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#120599

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-01-14 20:25 -0500
Message-ID	<140120192025031710%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#120598

In article <ga4qhiFis3aU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >
> > How are you going to do something even as simple as _that_
> > without the privacy implication of having to inform Apple of your AppleID?
> 
> Simple:

it is indeed.

> 1. Connect the iPhone to your Mac with its USB cable.

a usb cable is *optional*. use wifi instead:

<https://i.stack.imgur.com/4Ooce.png>

> 2. Launch xCode and open an iOS app project.
> 3. From the menu bar, choose Product > Destination > iPhone.
> 4. Click the Run button. The app transfers to the iPhone and launches.
> Debug to your heart's content.

he might manage the first 4, but definitely not the last.

> <https://i.imgur.com/QZ4xT6yg.png>
> <https://i.imgur.com/sM7rac1g.png>
> <https://i.imgur.com/iTj3pqE.jpg>
> <https://i.imgur.com/IjZNU6W.png>
> 
> Stuck your big, stinky foot in your own mouth on that one.

i would have chosen something else.

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#120632

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
Message-ID	<q1l7a2$hif$2@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120599

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:25:03 -0500, nospam wrote:

>>> How are you going to do something even as simple as _that_
>>> without the privacy implication of having to inform Apple of your AppleID?
>> 
>> Simple:
> 
> it is indeed.

Hehheh heh ... 

Hey nospam, 
Why is it that _every_ time you spew your imaginary claims, 
you can _never_ back them up?

What is that, nospam?
What is it about actual FACTS that you're allergic to?

Remember when you claimed that "for a buck" iOS could do that?
You _still_ haven't backed up your claim.

Want proof?
o Name a single iOS app functionality that you can get for a buck, that isn't already on Android, for free
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/aUyeuaPI9pc/r9gtLFjXAwAJ>

I think it's pretty clear that NONE of you Apple Apologists are educated.
The reason I can safely say that is that you wouldn't last a semester.

The reason you wouldn't last a semester is the same reason that fifth
graders can't last a semester in college either.

Your biggest weakness is that you lack facts for all of your convictions.
It's admirable that you hold strong (religiously held) convictions.

I'm ok with strong convictions.
But the fact is that your convictions are based on imaginary functionality.

In fact, _every_ time we ask you to prove your convictions, we find you can't. 
And worse, when you _try_, you're easily disproven (with facts) in seconds.

What's supremely odd about you Apologists, is that you're not adults.
You all act like fifth-grade children act.
o You have very strong convictions
o But none of them are based on actual facts

Facts are your weakness, nospam.
That's why I always challenge you with facts.

Your religious convictions instantly crumble in the fact of facts.

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#120633

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
Message-ID	<q1l7a4$hif$3@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120598

On 15 Jan 2019 01:15:31 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You Apple-hating froth-mouthed trolls always claim the simplest things
> are *impossible* on iOS, making yourselves look like complete and utter
> *fools* to anyone who knows better.

Hehhehheh... 

And yet, you, Jolly Roger, and nospam, and BK, and Lewis, etc., 
can _never_  come up with facts on how you (reputedly) perform your wholly
imaginary feats in iOS!

Never.
The facts _never_ show up.

HINT: That's because you make them up.

*Facts, it seems, are the Apple Apologists' biggest weakness.*

I think that's kind of funny, don't you, Jolly Roger?

Meanwhile, I simply supply facts.
o Why do Apple Apologists habitually fabricate imaginary functionality?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/eRTC23FyVDY/fDk0k8KAAwAJ>

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#120644

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2019-01-15 20:53 +0000
Message-ID	<ga6vijF3eu2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120633

On 2019-01-15, arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2019 01:15:31 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> You Apple-hating froth-mouthed trolls always claim the simplest
>> things are *impossible* on iOS, making yourselves look like complete
>> and utter *fools* to anyone who knows better.
>
> Hehhehheh... 

Note how "arlen" has purposely trimmed quoting on this reply in a lame
attempt to hide the fact that I easily showed that you can do what he
claimed isn't possible. It's as if he actually believes trimming the
quoting will magically erase it from everyone's memory. He absolutely
cannot address or acknowledge that he is ever wrong. And now he's
desperate to change the subject. He's one of the most pathetic
individuals I've ever encountered on Usenet. He's absolutely obsessed
with all things Apple to the extent that he will spend literal hours
upon hours every single day spewing lies and misinformation in
Apple-related newsgroups and attack anyone who dares to object to his
childish behavior. His only "joy" in life is belittling and insulting
complete strangers on Usenet. What a sad, empty existence. I'd pity him
if he wasn't making a complete fool of himself willingly. The old
crab-ass will die a sad and lonely death; but it's all his own doing.
Fuck 'im.  He deserves it.

As I've shown, it's brain-dead easy to side load your own iOS apps onto
your own iOS devices without Apple's approval. And the method I showed
wasn't the only method available, either. Dip shit "arlen" claims
ultra-simple things like this aren't possible on iOS, and when shown
he's wrong wiggles around to try to avoid the truth like the worm he is.
Every.  Single. Time. He's truly pathetic.

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#120646

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-01-15 16:01 -0500
Message-ID	<150120191601052772%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#120644

In article <ga6vijF3eu2U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> As I've shown, it's brain-dead easy to side load your own iOS apps onto
> your own iOS devices without Apple's approval. And the method I showed
> wasn't the only method available, either. Dip shit "arlen" claims
> ultra-simple things like this aren't possible on iOS, and when shown
> he's wrong wiggles around to try to avoid the truth like the worm he is.
> Every.  Single. Time. He's truly pathetic.

as does sms, who just keeps parroting the same recycled rubbish.

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#120653

From	Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date	2019-01-15 19:37 -0500
Message-ID	<Y92dnYKNz7l54aPBnZ2dnUU7-d8AAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to	#120644

On 2019-01-15 15:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2019-01-15, arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
>> On 15 Jan 2019 01:15:31 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> You Apple-hating froth-mouthed trolls always claim the simplest
>>> things are *impossible* on iOS, making yourselves look like complete
>>> and utter *fools* to anyone who knows better.
>>
>> Hehhehheh...
> 
> Note how "arlen" has purposely trimmed quoting on this reply in a lame
> attempt to hide the fact that I easily showed that you can do what he
> claimed isn't possible. 

You must be pretty bored or unoccupied if you're entertaining it...


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#120654

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2019-01-16 01:31 +0000
Message-ID	<ga7fs5F6307U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120653

On 2019-01-16, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2019-01-15 15:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2019-01-15, arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
>>> On 15 Jan 2019 01:15:31 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>>> You Apple-hating froth-mouthed trolls always claim the simplest
>>>> things are *impossible* on iOS, making yourselves look like complete
>>>> and utter *fools* to anyone who knows better.
>>>
>>> Hehhehheh...
>> 
>> Note how "arlen" has purposely trimmed quoting on this reply in a lame
>> attempt to hide the fact that I easily showed that you can do what he
>> claimed isn't possible. 
>
> You must be pretty bored or unoccupied if you're entertaining it...

What does that say of you entertaining me?

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#120693

From	Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date	2019-01-17 11:21 -0500
Message-ID	<HrmdnXH-btMXNt3BnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#120654

On 2019-01-15 20:31, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2019-01-16, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2019-01-15 15:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-15, arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
>>>> On 15 Jan 2019 01:15:31 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You Apple-hating froth-mouthed trolls always claim the simplest
>>>>> things are *impossible* on iOS, making yourselves look like complete
>>>>> and utter *fools* to anyone who knows better.
>>>>
>>>> Hehhehheh...
>>>
>>> Note how "arlen" has purposely trimmed quoting on this reply in a lame
>>> attempt to hide the fact that I easily showed that you can do what he
>>> claimed isn't possible.
>>
>> You must be pretty bored or unoccupied if you're entertaining it...
> 
> What does that say of you entertaining me?

If that's entertainment for you then I feel very sad for you.


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#120696

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2019-01-17 18:55 +0000
Message-ID	<gac1ctF6ialU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120693

On 2019-01-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2019-01-15 20:31, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2019-01-16, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-15 15:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-15, arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 15 Jan 2019 01:15:31 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You Apple-hating froth-mouthed trolls always claim the simplest
>>>>>> things are *impossible* on iOS, making yourselves look like complete
>>>>>> and utter *fools* to anyone who knows better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hehhehheh...
>>>>
>>>> Note how "arlen" has purposely trimmed quoting on this reply in a lame
>>>> attempt to hide the fact that I easily showed that you can do what he
>>>> claimed isn't possible.
>>>
>>> You must be pretty bored or unoccupied if you're entertaining it...
>> 
>> What does that say of you entertaining me?
>
> If that's entertainment for you then I feel very sad for you.

It's not entertaining at all, but you must be pretty bored or unoccupied
all the same, which was the point.

Next?

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#120673

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-16 17:40 +0000
Message-ID	<q1nqb3$aoo$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120644

On 15 Jan 2019 20:53:39 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> I easily showed that you can do what he claimed isn't possible.

Hi Jolly Roger,

You sure showed me, Jolly Roger.
o *The lemon juice trick to hide your face really _does_ work!*
o Keep using it.

Good luck.
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MwtyT7BdxF4>

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#120675

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-16 09:42 -0800
Message-ID	<q1nqel$cb8$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120673

On 2019-01-16 9:40 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2019 20:53:39 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> I easily showed that you can do what he claimed isn't possible.
> 
> Hi Jolly Roger,
> 
> You sure showed me, Jolly Roger.
> o *The lemon juice trick to hide your face really _does_ work!*
> o Keep using it.
> 
> Good luck.
>   <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MwtyT7BdxF4>
> 

Good luck explaining this "fact":

'> o I'm using Linux (where Avast doesn't even run)'

You should explain that "fact" to Avast:

'What is Avast Security for Linux?
  How do I install Avast Security for Linux?
  How can I start or stop the Avast Linux services?
  How do I insert a license file to Avast Security for Linux?
  How can I keep Avast Security for Linux up to date?
  How do I integrate Avast Security for Linux into AMaViS?'

<https://support.avast.com/en-eu/article/131/>

<snip>

Now explain why ANYONE should be interested in reading your drivel.

:-)

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#120679

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2019-01-16 18:44 +0000
Message-ID	<ga9cchFj026U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120675

On 2019-01-16, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
> On 2019-01-16 9:40 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
>> On 15 Jan 2019 20:53:39 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> 
>>> I easily showed that you can do what he claimed isn't possible.
>> 
>> You sure showed me, Jolly Roger.

Yep. And you have nothing but personal attacks for a rebuttal. Pitiful
old fool.

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#120684

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-16 20:14 +0000
Message-ID	<q1o3ac$ook$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120679

On 16 Jan 2019 18:44:33 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Yep. And you have nothing but personal attacks for a rebuttal. Pitiful
> old fool.

Hi Jolly Roger,

I'm going to have shorter discussions with you, moving forward.
(And that's a good thing.)

I used to think that you were either:
o Just toying by incessantly fabricating imaginary iOS functionality
o Or, that you were unfathomably stupid.

But now I realize, sadly, it's far worse than that.

Far worse indeed.
o Sure, you proved you're incredibly stupid - but it's far worse than that.
o You actually _believe_ what you propose will work.

Just like the lemon juice robber believed it would work for him.
o No amount of actual fact will sway you.
o So I won't try.

I've been wasting my time (and everyone's time) giving you facts:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MwtyT7BdxF4>

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#120685

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-01-16 15:14 -0500
Message-ID	<160120191514441142%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#120684

In article <q1o3ac$ook$1@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
<arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> I've been wasting my time

then why do you continue?

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#120686

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-16 12:21 -0800
Message-ID	<q1o3np$1nr3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120684

On 2019-01-16 12:14 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2019 18:44:33 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> Yep. And you have nothing but personal attacks for a rebuttal. Pitiful
>> old fool.
> 
> Hi Jolly Roger,
> 
> I'm going to have shorter discussions with you, moving forward.
> (And that's a good thing.)
> 
> I used to think that you were either:
> o Just toying by incessantly fabricating imaginary iOS functionality
> o Or, that you were unfathomably stupid.
> 
> But now I realize, sadly, it's far worse than that.
> 
> Far worse indeed.
> o Sure, you proved you're incredibly stupid - but it's far worse than that.
> o You actually _believe_ what you propose will work.
> 
> Just like the lemon juice robber believed it would work for him.
> o No amount of actual fact will sway you.
> o So I won't try.
> 
> I've been wasting my time (and everyone's time) giving you facts:
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MwtyT7BdxF4>
> 

Would those be facts like:

Apparently "epitome" is a synonym for "epiphany"?

This will come as a great revelation to the OED. :-)

Or facts like:

'> o I'm using Linux (where Avast doesn't even run)'

You should explain that "fact" to Avast:

'What is Avast Security for Linux?
  How do I install Avast Security for Linux?
  How can I start or stop the Avast Linux services?
  How do I insert a license file to Avast Security for Linux?
  How can I keep Avast Security for Linux up to date?
  How do I integrate Avast Security for Linux into AMaViS?'

<https://support.avast.com/en-eu/article/131/>

:-)

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#120594

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
Message-ID	<q1j87v$ltk$7@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120539

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 19:55:08 -0800, sms wrote:

> On the iPhone it's NOT POSSIBLE to use non-Apple vetted apps. On Android 
> apps can be installed that come from a huge number of app stores, 
> especially in China where you can't even have access to the Google Play 
> store. It's a big security hole on Android but it does result in some 
> very good apps that the Google Play store won't allow, not because of 
> any security risk but for other reasons.

Hi sms,
I only speak facts, and I'm reasonably intelligent, and an adult.
Just like you are.

I easily agree with you that there _are_ privacy risks (you said security,
but I'm talking privacy) on Android - just as they also exist on iOS.

It's a fact the iOS iTunes App Store apps are "vetted" just as Google Play
apps are "vetted", where we can argue how "good" or how "bad" that vetting
process might be - where I opened a thread for that specific purpose:
o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MiZixhidmOs>

As you noted, on Android, by default (AFAIK), non-vetted apps aren't
allowed; however, as you're well aware, it's only a flip of a few switches
(different with each Android release it seems) to allow apps from outside
the vetted Google Play store.

As you may be aware, that provides Android users both PRIVACY and
FUNCTIONALITY if those apps are judiciously chosen (e.g., on Android, you
have a vast array of privacy-threat detection utilities, such as detecting
hidden cameras, an officially sanctioned tor browser, non-Internet based
calendar apps, IMSI catchers, fake hotspot detectors, app snitchers to
detect data exchange and server changes, etc.).

As I have always compared iOS and android functionality as the difference
in chopping down a tree using a handsaw (iOS) or a chain saw (Android), 
with all that added privacy protection comes a bit of danger. I agree.

If we both keep our adult factual logical hats on our heads, we can both
easily agree that the iOS environment, overall, while being far less
functional, is vastly more controlled.

That control may or may not result in privacy enhancement.

For example, as you're likely aware, YouTube REVENUE (i.e., people are
paying money ... presumably for YouTube Red subscriptions) is the number 4
earner on the iOS App Store, and yet, YouTube doesn't even show up on
Android when we look at the top ten earners.
<<https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/28/netflix-permanently-pulls-itunes-billing-for-new-users/>

Why are iOS users paying for YouTube when Android users don't pay?

I can't explicitly say why, but I can tell you that YouTube is NOT an app
based on privacy considerations - and - as you're well aware, the owner of
YouTube tracks all sorts of things you and I might consider invasions of
our privacy.

I'm sure you're also aware that on Android, you get the YouTube Red
functionality completely for free as noted in this thread - where that
privacy-based functionality is NOT available on iOS for any user:
o Why doesn't iOS have a single free app that completely replaces the YouTube app entirely (with far more powerful functionality)?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/GSy2yOsVg68/0oeJY1GXAwAJ>

In summary, I am well aware of the religious dogma that Apple iOS protects
the users' "privacy" better than does Android - where I openly and
factually question that dogmatic assumption in this very thread, since I
can easily list a series of privacy-enhancing features on Android that
don't exist on iOS.

In the end, I will be charitable to iOS and state that the privacy is
"about the same" between the two platforms; but if anyone here thinks that
the privacy on iOS is better than that of Android, then they will have to
refute my arguments above, which are based on facts, not religion.

HINT: Most of what people "think" about iOS was fed to them by Apple.
DOUBLEHINT: Almost all of what was fed to them, turns out to be wrong.

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#120596

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-01-14 19:16 -0500
Message-ID	<140120191916381980%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#120594

In article <q1j87v$ltk$7@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
<arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> Why are iOS users paying for YouTube when Android users don't pay?

youtube is free.

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#120631

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
Message-ID	<q1l7a1$hif$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120596

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:16:38 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> Why are iOS users paying for YouTube when Android users don't pay?
> 
> youtube is free.

Then how does YouTube end up #4 on the "revenue" list for Apple?
 <https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/28/netflix-permanently-pulls-itunes-billing-for-new-users/>

HINT: Let's see if nospam can be an adult when responding to facts.

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From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-01-15 13:13 -0500
Message-ID	<150120191313017726%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#120631

In article <q1l7a1$hif$1@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
<arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> 
> >> Why are iOS users paying for YouTube when Android users don't pay?
> > 
> > youtube is free.
> 
> Then how does YouTube end up #4 on the "revenue" list for Apple?

youtube premium, which is not just for apple users.

<https://www.youtube.com/premium>

> <https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/28/netflix-permanently-pulls-itunes-billing-f
> or-new-users/>

that has nothing to do with youtube, which means it's who is
unfathomably stupid.

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Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!

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