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Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!

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First post2019-01-09 23:24 +0000
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  Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-09 23:24 +0000
    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 15:41 -0800
      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-09 23:58 +0000
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 16:01 -0800
          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 00:13 +0000
            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 16:32 -0800
              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 02:34 +0000
                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 19:01 -0800
                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 03:24 +0000
                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 19:35 -0800
                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 03:46 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 19:47 -0800
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 04:05 +0000
                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-09 23:09 -0500
                              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 04:19 +0000
                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 20:11 -0800
                              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 04:24 +0000
                                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 20:43 -0800
                                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-10 04:53 +0000
                                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 05:06 +0000
                                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-10 17:44 +0000
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-09 19:12 -0500
          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 02:34 +0000
            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 19:02 -0800
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2019-01-09 16:20 -0800
          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 02:34 +0000
            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-09 22:33 -0500
              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 03:57 +0000
                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 20:00 -0800
                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 04:08 +0000
                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 20:12 -0800
                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 04:29 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 20:44 -0800
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 17:47 +0000
                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-10 10:05 -0800
                              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 18:23 +0000
                                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-10 10:36 -0800
                                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-01-10 21:59 +0000
                                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 22:17 +0000
            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2019-01-10 04:38 -0800
              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-10 10:09 -0500
                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-01-10 16:18 +0000
                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-10 11:26 -0500
                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-10 16:58 -0500
                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-01-10 22:27 +0000
                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-10 14:33 -0800
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-11 16:47 +0000
                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! "dkol" <dkol@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 10:27 +1100
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-01-11 11:23 +0000
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-11 10:07 -0800
                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-11 14:25 -0500
                              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-01-11 21:39 +0000
                                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-11 14:26 -0800
                                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-12 09:58 -0500
                                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2019-01-12 08:09 -0800
                                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-12 11:56 -0500
                                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2019-01-12 12:17 -0800
                                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-12 15:26 -0500
                                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2019-01-12 18:59 -0500
                                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-13 00:22 +0000
                                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-12 19:31 -0500
                                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2019-01-12 17:53 -0800
                                              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-16 02:51 +0000
                                                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-15 19:00 -0800
                                                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-16 03:24 +0000
                                                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-15 19:47 -0800
                                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2019-01-12 14:05 -0500
                                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-12 21:10 +0000
                                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-12 15:15 -0800
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! "dkol" <dkol@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 14:19 +1100
                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-10 18:31 -0500
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-01-11 11:26 +0000
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-11 12:28 -0500
                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-13 14:45 +0000
                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 18:23 +0000
                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-10 14:05 -0500
                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 20:19 +0000
                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-10 15:27 -0500
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 22:14 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-11 16:46 +0000
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 22:50 +0000
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 22:52 +0000
              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 18:08 +0000
          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-10 02:47 +0000
      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-09 16:04 -0800
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-09 16:08 -0800
          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-01-10 08:35 +0000
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-10 02:19 +0000
    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-13 14:31 +0000
      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-13 10:19 -0500
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-13 13:53 -0500
      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2019-01-13 13:56 -0500
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2019-01-13 11:10 -0800
          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-14 03:08 +0000
            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-14 03:40 +0000
            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2019-01-13 19:55 -0800
              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 06:53 -0500
                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-14 17:12 +0000
                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 13:39 -0500
                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 19:16 -0500
                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 01:49 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-14 18:20 -0800
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-15 11:13 -0800
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-15 05:12 -0500
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 15:56 +0000
                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
                              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 20:55 +0000
                                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-16 17:33 +0000
                                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-16 09:41 -0800
                                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-16 18:43 +0000
                                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-16 20:02 +0000
                                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-16 12:06 -0800
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-15 15:06 -0500
                              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-15 19:37 -0500
                                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-15 21:04 -0500
                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 01:15 +0000
                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 20:25 -0500
                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-15 20:53 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 16:01 -0500
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-15 19:37 -0500
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-16 01:31 +0000
                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-17 11:21 -0500
                              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-17 18:55 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-16 17:40 +0000
                          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-16 09:42 -0800
                            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-16 18:44 +0000
                              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-16 20:14 +0000
                                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-16 15:14 -0500
                                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-16 12:21 -0800
              Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
                Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-14 19:16 -0500
                  Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
                    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-15 13:13 -0500
                      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-16 17:50 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-16 10:21 -0800
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 10:36 +1100
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-14 02:52 +0000
          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2019-01-14 09:14 +0000
            Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2019-01-14 09:04 -0600
          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-14 20:26 +0000
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-14 13:09 -0800
      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-16 13:59 +0000
      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-16 14:42 +0000
      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-16 17:20 +0000
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-16 09:30 -0800
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-16 14:58 -0500
          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-17 11:20 -0500
    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 17:41 +0000
      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-25 10:09 -0800
        Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 19:29 +0000
          Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-25 11:35 -0800
    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-09 23:53 +0000
      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-02-09 17:36 -0800
    Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Arlen _G_ Holder <_arlen.george@halder.edu> - 2019-10-31 02:35 +0000
      Re: Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid! Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-10-31 01:29 -0700

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#120435

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-01-11 22:50 +0000
Message-ID<q1b6i0$47k$2@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#120424
On 11 Jan 2019 16:46:35 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> ´arlen holder¡, everyone: proving his complete ineptitude one post at a
> time.

Yup. I seem to comprehend what is going on, which bothers you, Jolly Roger.

To wit, did you look at the news today?
They're starting to realize what I've realized long ago...
o Retailers are slashing iPhone prices across China as consumers say the phones arenÿt worth the cost
<https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/11/apple-iphone-retailers-are-slashing-prices-across-china.html>
   "Experts said a mixture of a poor pricing strategy 
   and a lack of exciting features ... has led to the newest
   iPhonesÿ weak performance in China."

Do you notice something in that article, Jolly Roger?
Nothing?

Really?
You don't see what they actually said?
HINT: It's not what Tim Cook said.

Now I don't blame Tim Cook for telling fibs left and right.
How can he possibly say the truth:
o They fucked customers in two complete years' of expensive iPhones
o And then, they release more flawed phones which are astronomically
priced!

No wonder Tim Cook said quite a few times he was going to try to hide the
astronomical price of the new (apparently flawed) phones from his loyal
(but admittedly stupid) consumer.

Remember, _all_ the phones released by Apple in the past years are flawed!
And, remember, there's _every indication_ that 2 of the 3 new phones are
flawed!
o Apple fucks the customer on the lower end iPhone 6
o Then Apple double fucks the customer on the higher end iPhone X
o Then Apple triple fucks the customer on the latest line of iPhones!

Surprise. Surprise. 
o The sheep suddenly stopped grazing at One Infinite Loop!

"Appleÿs latest iPhone models are facing huge discounts in 
  China as retailers try to sell the struggling devices. 
  That comes as the ...Apple smartphones have posted 
  poor China sales on *what experts say are too-high prices*
  ...and *a lack of innovative features*"

While you Apple Apologists are struggling to comprehend, 
I told you, all along, EXACTLY what the "surprise" was, and is.

Tim Cook lied - but - inside his lies - was the truth.
But only an adult with an intelligent mind would comprehend it.

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#120436

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-01-11 22:52 +0000
Message-ID<q1b6ms$4gm$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#120424
On 11 Jan 2019 16:46:35 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> ´arlen holder¡, everyone: proving his complete ineptitude one post at a
> time.

Yup. I seem to comprehend what is going on, which bothers you, Jolly Roger.

To wit, did you look at the news today?
They're starting to realize what I've realized long ago...
o Retailers are slashing iPhone prices across China as consumers say the phones arenÿt worth the cost
<https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/11/apple-iphone-retailers-are-slashing-prices-across-china.html>
   "Experts said a mixture of a poor pricing strategy 
   and a lack of exciting features ... has led to the newest
   iPhonesÿ weak performance in China."

Do you notice something in that article, Jolly Roger?
Nothing?

Really?
You don't see what they actually said?
HINT: It's not what Tim Cook said.

Now I don't blame Tim Cook for telling fibs left and right.
How can he possibly say the truth:
o They fucked customers in two complete years' of expensive iPhones
o And then, they release more flawed phones which are astronomically 
priced!

No wonder Tim Cook said quite a few times he was going to try to hide the 
astronomical price of the new (apparently flawed) phones from his loyal 
(but admittedly stupid) consumer.

Remember, _all_ the phones released by Apple in the past years are flawed!
And, remember, there's _every indication_ that 2 of the 3 new phones are 
flawed!
o Apple fucks the customer on the lower end iPhone 6
o Then Apple double fucks the customer on the higher end iPhone X
o Then Apple triple fucks the customer on the latest line of iPhones!

Surprise. Surprise. 
o The sheep suddenly stopped grazing at One Infinite Loop!

"Appleÿs latest iPhone models are facing huge discounts in 
  China as retailers try to sell the struggling devices. 
  That comes as the ...Apple smartphones have posted 
  poor China sales on *what experts say are too-high prices*
  ...and *a lack of innovative features*"

While you Apple Apologists are struggling to comprehend, 
I told you, all along, EXACTLY what the "surprise" was, and is.

Tim Cook lied - but - inside his lies - was the truth.
But only an adult with an intelligent mind would comprehend it.

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#120390

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-01-10 18:08 +0000
Message-ID<q181ms$pbd$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#120380
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 04:38:45 -0800, sms wrote:

> Be that as it may, the infrastructure of Apple stores is a powerful 
> marketing tool because most people are not techies, even when they are 
> experts in other fields. 

Hi sms,
As usual, you're a comprehensive adult, so I rarely take umbrage at what
you say. Facts and logic being what they are, you're generally correct.

We agree.
o IMHO, Apple has one of the finest MARKETING orgs on this planet.
o There is no doubt Apple MARKETING knows its customer inside and out. 
o That means most iPhone consumers are not technical. I agree with you.

What you're saying, which I understand, is that "most people" (including
Android users) are not technical. I don't disagree.

Facts are funny that way in that they are easily agree on by adults.

> My sister-in-law is a physical therapist with 
> an advanced degree. My wife is an RN with an advanced degree. I provide 
> the tech support to both.

Yup. I won't say the degrees that my wife has, by way of agreement with
you, but it would make your head spin (I think), since she is a theoretical
person who can spout equations that make my head spin - and yet - she can't
figure out how to reboot the router after a power outage (which is
happening almost weekly lately, what with this winter weather).
(Admittedly my Cat5 cable-spaghetti is getting a bit complex lately.)

What you're saying, and I agree with, is that 'even smart people' aren't
always technical when it comes to mobile devices (and other things).

I do not disagree since I understand _everything_ anyone can say here.
What irks me is that most people on this newsgroup can't seem to comprehend
even these simple statements that you just made.

That's what I don't understand.
o How can people like nospam & Alan Baker be _that_ stupid?

For example, do you also agree, sms, that Tim Cook was given his "talking
points" in that interview? (Even the interviewer must have been given his
questions by Apple because some of them were pure unadulterated shills,
such as:
o Do you think Apple tried to release too much too soon?
(Which was a hilarious question that only adults can comprehend why, 
given the "surprise" was NOT that "Apple makes too much of too good").

I really want to ask you this adult question, sms.
(Since you & David Empson & only a few others are the rare adults here.)
o Is it just me - or do you also read right through what Tim Cook said?

Is it truly only me that has an adult comprehension of what Tim Cook said?
Or do you too see right through the 8 statements I just highlighted here?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/oulJsYSmDDM/hfiuwv4sFAAJ>

> When my sister-in-law recently switched from her old Samsung Galaxy S3 
> to an iPhone 7, she asked me for help. When I could not figure out how 
> to do what she wanted on the iPhone she went to the Genius Bar at a 
> local Apple store. Unfortunately, the Genius Bar employee explained to 
> her what I had also learned by Googling it, the feature she used every 
> work day on her Galaxy S3 was not available on the iPhone.

As you know, I've brought iPads to the Genius Bar, where I recorded the
entire conversation and posted it (years ago), proving the Genius Bar guy
didn't even know what a decibel was (much like Snit and Jolly Roger proved
in the WiFi thread).

Yet, you also know that I give iPhones as gifts, where I set up the
appointments for them (e.g., I posted verbatim the battery replacement
letters I received earlier this year), and where they were VERY HAPPY with
the Genius Bar service.

From those experiences, which mirror yours, the Genius Bar is sort of like
a very conscientious and diligent waiter. They don't know how to cook the
food, but they can deliver it with courtesy and care.

All the Genius Bar is, IMHO, are very courteous waiters & waitresses.
That's all they NEED to be, by the way, since their customer is clueless.

As I've said many (many) times, the customers wants to "FEEL" safe.
Actually "being" safe isn't really the customers' concern.

Having said that the Genius Bar caters well to the clueless, you may also
know that on the Win10 newsgroups, I've brought my desktop twice to
Microsoft (and twice over the phone with their customer support).

Microsoft wasn't much better, although, to their credit, they did download
and install over the air a decade-old version of Office 2007 for me, just
after they completely dropped support for it (and then my desktop was
bricked by a Microsoft update which I had forestalled for more than two
years, by judicious deletion of files in the system folder).

It turns out that very few support personnel can help us, simply because,
for the most part, we can help ourselves.

That's not what most of those support people are for.
They're mostly there for the clueless, which Tim Cook clearly said that his
customers were when he said they're "very worried" about transferring their
data.

Any adult would be able to "infer" what he "implied", since this was a
discussion about 'services revenue'.

What we, as adults, can infer, is that Tim Cook plans on rolling out a paid
"service" to help his customers transfer files from the old iPhone to the
new iPhone. 

Even if it's not a pay service, what Tim Cook "implied", which any
comprehensive adult can infer he implied, is that the fact that his
customers are "very worried" is, in Tim Cook's implication, one of the
"surprises" that resulted in him mismating his revenue guidance by a lot.

I must ask you, again, sms, a question, mano a mano, which kind of irks me
about the average Apple user here (e.g., Tim Streater, Alan Baker, Jolly
Roger, etc.).

Am I _really_ a genius in that I can *easily* see right through what Tim
Cook said (see the 8 statements I highlighted for Alan Baker just now):
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/oulJsYSmDDM/hfiuwv4sFAAJ>

As you know, I've worked in the Silicon Valley for decades, where EVERYONE
is a freaking genius ... so it's really really really hard for me to deal
with the folks on this newsgroup who clearly are as dumb as a rock.

Mano a mano, do you comprehend the 8 observations I highlighted here?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/oulJsYSmDDM/hfiuwv4sFAAJ>

*I'm not asking if you to AGREE with my observations*
     (agreement/disagreement can only come _after_ comprehension).
*I'm just asking if you COMPREHEND the logic*
    (because people like nospam & Alan Baker disagree sans comprehension)

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#120356

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-01-10 02:47 +0000
Message-ID<q16boi$i68$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#120346
On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 16:20:15 -0800, sms wrote:

>  When I upgraded my wife's personal phone recently I had to 
> show her how to transfer all the photos from her old phone to her new 
> phone, and then encourage her to use Google Photos for backup, rather 
> than storing everything locally.

BTW, to your direct point on showing your wife how to copy photos, my wife 
has more degrees than I do, very technical ones in fact, and, to your 
point, even so, I am the one who backs up her photos over WiFi simply by 
having an FTP server running on her phone.

Any time I need to back up anyone's phone who is connected to my WiFi 
network, I just use that already-running FTP server to back them up.

Some people, even those with plenty of graduate credentials, prefer not to 
deal with phone technicalities ... I agree.

Delving a bit off topic into the technical aspect though, to copy all the 
photos off of either iOS or Android is, as you're well aware, as simple as 
either
o Connecting the device over USB to the PC and sliding them over, or, 
o Connecting to the device over WiFi (via a server) & sliding them over.

Neither method is in the least complex.
All you do is (a) connect, and (b) slides the files over.

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#120342

Fromgtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date2019-01-09 16:04 -0800
Message-ID<q1625p$lnr$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#120337
On 2019-01-09 23:41:34 +0000, Alan Baker said:

> On 2019-01-09 3:24 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
>> *Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!*
>> <https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=363>
> 
> No. He really didn't.

Words change due to usage and misuse. The word "literally" now 
apparently means "figuratively".

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#120343

FromAlan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date2019-01-09 16:08 -0800
Message-ID<q162d3$1ccj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#120342
On 2019-01-09 4:04 p.m., gtr wrote:
> On 2019-01-09 23:41:34 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> 
>> On 2019-01-09 3:24 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
>>> *Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!*
>>> <https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=363>
>>
>> No. He really didn't.
> 
> Words change due to usage and misuse. The word "literally" now 
> apparently means "figuratively".
> 

And "imply" means "infer". :-)

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#120379

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2019-01-10 08:35 +0000
Message-ID<100120190835579142%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#120343
In article <q162d3$1ccj$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
wrote:

>On 2019-01-09 4:04 p.m., gtr wrote:
>> On 2019-01-09 23:41:34 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>> 
>>> On 2019-01-09 3:24 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
>>>> *Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!*
>>>> <https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=363>
>>>
>>> No. He really didn't.
>> 
>> Words change due to usage and misuse. The word "literally" now 
>> apparently means "figuratively".
>> 
>
>And "imply" means "infer". :-)

"Infer" is a near synonym for "deduce". As in "I infer from some of his
actions that Trump is a bit of a clown".

"Imply" is a near synonym for "assert". As in "Are you, by those
comments, trying to imply that Trump is a bit of a clown?". If you
imply something, then you are hinting at it. With "assert" you are
doing the same but more openly.

But I see in some old Perry Mason episodes that people back then seemed
to think that "infer" meant "imply".

-- 
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without 
evidence."
-- Christopher Hitchens

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#120351

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2019-01-10 02:19 +0000
Message-ID<g9nodoFmq6mU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#120342
On 2019-01-10, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2019-01-09 23:41:34 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>
>> On 2019-01-09 3:24 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
>>> *Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!*
>>> <https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=363>
>> 
>> No. He really didn't.
>
> Words change due to usage and misuse. The word "literally" now 
> apparently means "figuratively".

Only to a complete moron.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#120486

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-01-13 14:31 +0000
Message-ID<q1fi3u$4kt$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#120335
On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 23:24:39 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:

> Duh.
> o *There is some weakness _outside of China_*
> o *Would have liked to have done better in some of our _developed markets_*

Nobody seems to be confirming what Tim Cook blamed.

The news is increasingly reporting Apple's problem is much simpler.
  <https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/01/12/what-to-expect-from-apples-2019-iphones.aspx>
   
   "Apple has now admitted that upgrade activity is slowing, 
   even in developed markets, and it's painfully clear that high 
   prices combined with increasingly incremental feature upgrades 
   is a recipe for poor sales. The challenge in walking back pricing 
   would be how to effectively justify that to consumers, after 
   consistently defending the price increases."

o Astronomical pricing
o No concomitant value

Even the developed world sheep stopped grazing at One Infinite Loop.

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#120488

FromEd Norton <norton@nowhere.com>
Date2019-01-13 10:19 -0500
Message-ID<0001HW.D860C14B040E6F21B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#120486
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 09:31:27 -0500, arlen holder wrote
(in article <q1fi3u$4kt$1@news.mixmin.net>):

>    "Apple has now admitted that upgrade activity is slowing, 
>    even in developed markets, and it's painfully clear that high 
>    prices combined with increasingly incremental feature upgrades 
>    is a recipe for poor sales.

I expect they will start dropping support for older models to force 
upgrades.  A familiar pattern.

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#120495

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-01-13 13:53 -0500
Message-ID<130120191353051150%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#120488
In article <0001HW.D860C14B040E6F21B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, Ed
Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote:

> 
> I expect they will start dropping support for older models to force 
> upgrades.  A familiar pattern.

you mean the way android device makers drop support in as little as a
year?

meanwhile, apple supports ios 12 on devices released as far back as
2013, nearly six years ago and it runs *faster* than ios 11 did on the
same hardware, especially for older devices.

good luck getting even a three year old android device to run anything
close to the latest version of android.

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#120496

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2019-01-13 13:56 -0500
Message-ID<LRL_D.51750$P55.10843@fx39.iad>
In reply to#120486
On 2019-01-13 09:31, arlen holder wrote:

>    "Apple has now admitted that upgrade activity is slowing, 
>    even in developed markets, and it's painfully clear that high 
>    prices combined with increasingly incremental feature upgrades 
>    is a recipe for poor sales. The challenge in walking back pricing 
>    would be how to effectively justify that to consumers, after 
>    consistently defending the price increases."



With regards to the incremental features, this is the same issue with
all high end phones.

Where it hurts is when midrange phones start to match (on paper) the
marketed features of high end phones. For instance, a midrange may
advertise a 13MP camera which, on paper looks better than iPhone's 12MP
even if the 13MP camera is a much lower quality.

If Apple wants to maintain it high proces, it will have to be a but more
agressive in pitching the higher quality components used in ist products
and how just looking at specs on paper isn't enough.

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#120497

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2019-01-13 11:10 -0800
Message-ID<q1g2fv$1br$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#120496
On 1/13/2019 10:56 AM, JF Mezei wrote:

<snip>

> Where it hurts is when midrange phones start to match (on paper) the
> marketed features of high end phones. For instance, a midrange may
> advertise a 13MP camera which, on paper looks better than iPhone's 12MP
> even if the 13MP camera is a much lower quality.

Counting megapixels on cameras is a bad idea.

> If Apple wants to maintain it high proces, it will have to be a but more
> agressive in pitching the higher quality components used in ist products
> and how just looking at specs on paper isn't enough.

It's not just the components. One big advantage of the iPhone is 
privacy. Apple isn't running around selling your personal information to 
everyone, like Google <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFCSp23xl40>. The 
other big advantage is security since app installation is tightly 
controlled.

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#120533

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-01-14 03:08 +0000
Message-ID<q1guer$3pf$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#120497
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 11:10:55 -0800, sms wrote:

> It's not just the components. One big advantage of the iPhone is 
> privacy. Apple isn't running around selling your personal information to 
> everyone, like Google <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFCSp23xl40>. The 
> other big advantage is security since app installation is tightly 
> controlled.

Hi SMS,
Please think and stop spewing utterly meaningless MARKETING BS.

In terms of "privacy", and specifically, with respect to "Google", are you
implying that Apple users don't use Google products?

*Because if they do use Google apps, how's the privacy any different?*

If you're _not_ implying that, how on earth can you say the privacy is
better, in terms of Google, when the privacy holes are EXACTLY the same for
iOs users as for Android users when using Google apps such as Google Maps,
or Google Search or Google Photos or Google Voice or Google Hangouts, or
Google Calendar, etc.?

In terms of Google, if the Apple iOS users logs into a Google app, the
privacy issue is EXACTLY the same, is it not?

In addition, you NEVER need a Google Account to use an Android phone, and
yet, you _must_ not only an Apple account to use the iOS device, but you
MUST ASSOCIATE ALL YOUR APPS to that account - which is completely not
needed on Android.

While I completely understand that you (and most people) fall for the
MARKETING bullshit that Apple spews, the facts are that you can EASILY
remove Google "spying" on Android devices (remember, you don't even need a
Google ID for Christs' sake - nor that Advertiser ID, for example).

*You can NOT easily remove those things on Apple iPhones.*

(On Android, you can easily replace the entire OS ROM for Christs' sake!)

Being a logical intelligent adult, I will grant that Apples does *default*
file-storage encryption "better" (in that it's hardware versus software)
than does Android (although full-system encryption is available to both
platforms).

But please, sms, bear in mind this sentient fact:
o The weak link of iPhones is the same as with Android phones
o Worse, in most cases, you can ameliorate the weak link on Android
o On iOS, you can't (you're stuck, for example, with "tagged" apps)

While the security & privacy is "different", the simple fact of the matter
is that you're bamboozled by Apple MARKETING if you actually think like
they WANT you to think.

The weak links on both devices are the same, and, worse, 
you can't do anything about it (for the most part) on iOS, 
while on Android, the power is in your own hands for privacy.

In summary, any sentient logical intelligent adult must conclude...
o Apple "says" a lot by way of Marketing (they're the best at that game!)
o But Apple ties all your apps to an app ID (Android does not)
o And Google Apps, if you use them, spy like crazy on you
o Whether you're on Android or on iOS
o And yet, on Android, you at least can do things to protect yourself
o Without needing to be rooted.
o On iOS, unless you're jailbroken - you're dead already.

So please stop spewing bullshit.
What you're really talking about is something completely different.

It's complex, but you have to comprehend these key distinctions.
(Neither Apple nor Google will tell you what I said above simply because
it's not in their best interests to talk about the truth.)

I would not mind an ADULT discussion about the merits of privacy
on both platforms, item by item by item (as I summarized above).

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#120538

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-01-14 03:40 +0000
Message-ID<q1h0bp$6c3$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#120533
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 03:08:12 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:

> In terms of "privacy", and specifically, with respect to "Google", are you
> implying that Apple users don't use Google products?

To get to a FACTUAL answer to the question, I opened a separate thread:
o  What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems? 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY>

Personally, I can make an argument based on facts that the weakest links to
privacy are "about the same" on both platforms (e.g., the carriers are the
same, the google apps are the same).

However, there are quite a few "differences" in the ecosystems, which make
iOS both more and less private, and which make Android more and less
private.

Let's see what facts are unearthed in that thread specific to the subject.

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#120539

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2019-01-13 19:55 -0800
Message-ID<q1h16q$pd1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#120533
On 1/13/2019 7:08 PM, arlen holder wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 11:10:55 -0800, sms wrote:
> 
>> It's not just the components. One big advantage of the iPhone is
>> privacy. Apple isn't running around selling your personal information to
>> everyone, like Google <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFCSp23xl40>. The
>> other big advantage is security since app installation is tightly
>> controlled.
> 
> Hi SMS,
> Please think and stop spewing utterly meaningless MARKETING BS.
> 
> In terms of "privacy", and specifically, with respect to "Google", are you
> implying that Apple users don't use Google products?
> 
> *Because if they do use Google apps, how's the privacy any different?*

On the iPhone it's NOT POSSIBLE to use non-Apple vetted apps. On Android 
apps can be installed that come from a huge number of app stores, 
especially in China where you can't even have access to the Google Play 
store. It's a big security hole on Android but it does result in some 
very good apps that the Google Play store won't allow, not because of 
any security risk but for other reasons.

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#120548

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-01-14 06:53 -0500
Message-ID<140120190653066257%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#120539
In article <q1h16q$pd1$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> 
> On the iPhone it's NOT POSSIBLE to use non-Apple vetted apps. 

of course it's possible, and you've been told this before. there are a
few options.

> On Android 
> apps can be installed that come from a huge number of app stores, 
> especially in China where you can't even have access to the Google Play 
> store. It's a big security hole on Android but it does result in some 
> very good apps that the Google Play store won't allow, not because of 
> any security risk but for other reasons.

it's huge security hole.

and not only does the google play store vet apps just like apple does,
but google has removed some malicious apps from user's phones. while
apple does have that ability, they have never needed to use it.

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#120593

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
Message-ID<q1j87t$ltk$5@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#120548
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 06:53:06 -0500, nospam wrote:

> it's huge security hole.

The question is about "privacy", not "security".
They're two completely different (somewhat overlapping) issues.

The problem, as I see it, is that Apple MARKETING has spewed poison.
Their Apple sponsored MARKETING poison permeates the weak mind.

Weak minds such as yours, nospam, or Jolly Roger's child-like mind.
I KNOW what Apple MARKETING spews.

I also know I can list a shitload of privacy features on Android that don't
even exist on iOS. 

To be *charitable* to iOS, I always say that the privacy is "about the
same". Mainly that's because you have to weigh each item based on how
important that item is to you.

As just ONE example, on Android, there is no need for ANY google logins.
Likewise, on iOS, there is no need for any Google logins.
o Yet, on iOS, you MUST have a login.
o And, _all_ your apps are tagged with THAT login.
o Worse, you MUST have an advertising ID on iOS.
etc.

None of that is needed on Android (as just one example).
o On Android, you never need a login
o You can get your apps from anywhere you want
o The advertising ID doesn't even _exist_ if you don't have a login
etc.

Having proven that it's trivial to list situations on iOS that are far less
private than on Android, we all happen to know the carriers are selling our
location data in the USA ... and that's on BOTH platforms!

I can list multiple things that are on BOTH platforms (e.g., when you log
into Google Maps or into GMail or use Google Voice or Hangouts or use a
Google Search, etc.) that have the same privacy implications.

I have two main points for you, nospam, and the other religious freaks:
o Apple MARKETING has poisoned your brain with their "privacy" dogma
o The fact is that NEITHER platform is "more private" than the other
o Push comes to shove, Android gives you far more privacy POWER than iOS

(Since I know you'll dispute those points with your ideology, just tell me
why YouTube is the fourth most profitable app on the iOS app store, and
yet, on Android, it's not even on the list - where - if you claim that a
YouTube subscriber has "privacy" -it will prove you're an utter fool,
nospam.)

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#120556

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2019-01-14 17:12 +0000
Message-ID<ga3u7dFdcn0U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#120539
On 2019-01-14, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 1/13/2019 7:08 PM, arlen holder wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 11:10:55 -0800, sms wrote:
>> 
>>> It's not just the components. One big advantage of the iPhone is
>>> privacy. Apple isn't running around selling your personal information to
>>> everyone, like Google <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFCSp23xl40>. The
>>> other big advantage is security since app installation is tightly
>>> controlled.
>> 
>> Hi SMS,
>> Please think and stop spewing utterly meaningless MARKETING BS.
>> 
>> In terms of "privacy", and specifically, with respect to "Google", are you
>> implying that Apple users don't use Google products?
>> 
>> *Because if they do use Google apps, how's the privacy any different?*
>
> On the iPhone it's NOT POSSIBLE to use non-Apple vetted apps.

Bullshit. You can side load apps and write your own non-Apple-vetted
apps no iOS.

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JR

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#120561

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-01-14 13:39 -0500
Message-ID<140120191339410038%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#120556
In article <ga3u7dFdcn0U3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >
> > On the iPhone it's NOT POSSIBLE to use non-Apple vetted apps.
> 
> Bullshit. You can side load apps and write your own non-Apple-vetted
> apps no iOS.

yep. once again, he's talking out his ass.

every app in the app store began life as un-vetted, running on the
developer's own ios devices (usually several) and those of their beta
testers, *before* being submitted to the app store. 

apps can also be distributed outside the app store, it's just not a
popular method.

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