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Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!

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#120676

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-16 17:50 +0000
Message-ID	<q1nqsk$bi4$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120637

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:13:01 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> Then how does YouTube end up #4 on the "revenue" list for Apple?
> 
> youtube premium, which is not just for apple users.
> <https://www.youtube.com/premium>

Hi nospam,

I only belatedly realized that you're on the far-left of the Dunning-Kruger
scale, where I have previously opined that you possess a bit more
intelligence than the rest (Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, BK, Lewis, etc.).

So it's going to be difficult for me to respond, since the fact is that you
don't seem to comprehend the fact that my whole point was that it was
YouTube Premium _by_ Apple Users that put it in that #4 slot.

You appear to completely miscomprehend that chart.
I used to try to explain that - but I realize no explanation will work.

Sadly...

I realize that backing that up with the fact that we are discussing 
*Apple App Store* revenue, will be completely lost on you, nospam
since you, sadly, appear to lack the cognitive skills to process that fact.

>> <https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/28/netflix-permanently-pulls-itunes-billing-f
>> or-new-users/>
> 
> that has nothing to do with youtube, which means it's who is
> unfathomably stupid.

Again, nospam, it is with sad regret that I say that your statement above
reeks of the left-side Dunning-Kruger effect.
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MwtyT7BdxF4>

Again, sadly, I realize that the fact that the URL and name of the article
is meaningless given we're talking about an app store revenue ranking, 
will be completley lost on you.

The reason that basic fact will be lost on you is the same reason that any
reference cite is completley lost on the likes of Alan Baker.

Sadly, you just don't possess the cognitive skills necessary to assess
facts - but worse - you don't know that you don't possess those skills.

Hence - you actually _believe_ everything you just said.

I know... this is a sad day for me since I never knew that I'd run into so
many canonical examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect - but the sad fact is
that your very post reeks of this left-side assessment flaw.

Hence, no amount of fact will change your mind, nospam.
You're incapable of processing those facts because you think you can.

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#120677

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-16 10:21 -0800
Message-ID	<q1nsno$ni5$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120676

On 2019-01-16 9:50 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:13:01 -0500, nospam wrote:
> 
>>> Then how does YouTube end up #4 on the "revenue" list for Apple?
>>
>> youtube premium, which is not just for apple users.
>> <https://www.youtube.com/premium>
> 
> Hi nospam,
> 
> I only belatedly realized that you're on the far-left of the Dunning-Kruger
> scale, where I have previously opined that you possess a bit more
> intelligence than the rest (Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, BK, Lewis, etc.).
> 
> So it's going to be difficult for me to respond, since the fact is that you
> don't seem to comprehend the fact that my whole point was that it was
> YouTube Premium _by_ Apple Users that put it in that #4 slot.
> 
> You appear to completely miscomprehend that chart.
> I used to try to explain that - but I realize no explanation will work.
> 
> Sadly...
> 
> I realize that backing that up with the fact that we are discussing
> *Apple App Store* revenue, will be completely lost on you, nospam
> since you, sadly, appear to lack the cognitive skills to process that fact.

Is this another "fact" like this one:

'> o I'm using Linux (where Avast doesn't even run)'

You should explain that "fact" to Avast:

'What is Avast Security for Linux?
  How do I install Avast Security for Linux?
  How can I start or stop the Avast Linux services?
  How do I insert a license file to Avast Security for Linux?
  How can I keep Avast Security for Linux up to date?
  How do I integrate Avast Security for Linux into AMaViS?'

<https://support.avast.com/en-eu/article/131/>

<snip>

Now explain why ANYONE should be interested in reading your drivel.

:-)

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#120525

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2019-01-14 10:36 +1100
Message-ID	<ga20c1FlvdU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120496


"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message 
news:LRL_D.51750$P55.10843@fx39.iad...
> On 2019-01-13 09:31, arlen holder wrote:
>
>>    "Apple has now admitted that upgrade activity is slowing,
>>    even in developed markets, and it's painfully clear that high
>>    prices combined with increasingly incremental feature upgrades
>>    is a recipe for poor sales. The challenge in walking back pricing
>>    would be how to effectively justify that to consumers, after
>>    consistently defending the price increases."
>
>
>
> With regards to the incremental features, this is the same issue with
> all high end phones.
>
> Where it hurts is when midrange phones start to match (on paper) the
> marketed features of high end phones. For instance, a midrange may
> advertise a 13MP camera which, on paper looks better than iPhone's 12MP
> even if the 13MP camera is a much lower quality.
>
> If Apple wants to maintain it high proces, it will have to be a but more
> agressive in pitching the higher quality components used in ist products
> and how just looking at specs on paper isn't enough.

Easier said than done with those whose eyes glaze over at any mention of 
specs.

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#120532

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-14 02:52 +0000
Message-ID	<q1gth6$1t8$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120496

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 13:56:43 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:

> For instance, a midrange may
> advertise a 13MP camera which, on paper looks better than iPhone's 12MP
> even if the 13MP camera is a much lower quality.

I only speak fact.

There are currently only two iPhones on this planet that don't have from a
dozen to many dozens of *better* phones, in terms of quality of camera
results!

You don't have to like facts - but that doesn't change the facts.

*The MARKETING of the camera output to gullibles far exceeds the truth.*
The reality is that camera output is usually on the bottom of the top 10.
<https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/>

Sometimes, like today, an Apple iPhone gets "near" the top, where, even the
most astronomically expensive iPhone _still_ doesn't have the best camera
output, although it's number 2, which isn't bad - but the cost for that
number 2 slot is fantastically astronomically priced out of this world.

Worse, most iPhones are killed by *dozens* of other phones camera output!
o The *iPhone 6 has at least 40* phones with equal or better camera output
o The *iPhone 7 has at least 29* phones with equal or better camera output
o The *iPhone 7 Plus has at least 27* phones of equal or better output
o The *iPhone 8 Plus has at least 16* with equal or better camera output
o The *iPhone X has at least 14* phones with equal or better camera output
o The *iPhone XR has at least 7* phones with equal or better camera output
etc.

I only speak fact.

There are currently only two iPhones on this planet that don't have from a
dozen to many dozens of *better* phones, in terms of quality of camera
results!

01 109 Huawei P20 Pro
02 105 *Apple* iPhone XS Max
03 103 HTC U12+
04 103 Samsung Galaxy Note 9
05 103 Xiaomi Mi MIX 3
06 102 Huawei P20
07 101 Google Pixel 3
08 101 *Apple* iPhone XR
09 99 Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus
10 99 Xiaomi Mi 8
11 98 Google Pixel 2
12 98 OnePlus 6T
13 97 Huawei Mate 10 Pro
14 97 Xiaomi Mi MIX 2S
15 97 *Apple* iPhone X
16 96 OnePlus 6
17 94 *Apple* iPhone 8 Plus
18 94 Samsung Galaxy Note 8
19 92 *Apple* iPhone 8
20 91 Smartisan Pro 2S
21 90 Asus ZenFone 5
22 90 General Mobile GM9 Pro
23 90 Google Pixel
24 90 HTC U11
25 90 Vivo X20 Plus
26 90 Xiaomi Mi Note 3
27 89 Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
28 88 *Apple* iPhone 7 Plus
29 85 Crosscall Trekker-X4
30 85 *Apple* iPhone 7
31 84 Nokia 8 Sirocco
32 83 LG G7 ThinQ
33 83 Sony Xperia XZ Premium
34 82 LG V30
35 82 Motorola Moto Z2 Force
36 82 Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge
37 80 Archos Diamond Omega
38 79 Samsung Galaxy A8 (2018)
39 75 Sony Xperia XA2 Ultra
40 73 Google Nexus 6P
41 73 *Apple* iPhone 6
42 71 Meizu Pro 7 Plus
43 71 Samsung Galaxy J5 Prime
44 70 Lava Z25
45 70 Samsung Galaxy S5
46 69 Motorola Moto G5S
47 68 Nokia 8
48 68 *Apple* iPhone 5s
49 66 Gionee S10L
50 65 Samsung Galaxy J2 Pro (2018)
51 61 Nokia 808 PureView
52 57 Micromax Canvas Infinity
53 57 Sony Xperia L2
54 51 Intex Aqua Selfie
55 49 Energizer E520
56 48 Reliance Jio LYF Earth 1

Those are the facts.

HINT: The marketing far exceeds the actuality in terms of camera output.

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#120547

From	RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
Date	2019-01-14 09:14 +0000
Message-ID	<q1hjtp$85g$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#120532

On 14/01/2019 02:52, arlen holder wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 13:56:43 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:
> 
>> For instance, a midrange may
>> advertise a 13MP camera which, on paper looks better than iPhone's 12MP
>> even if the 13MP camera is a much lower quality.
> 
> I only speak fact.
> 

Not really:

https://www.androidauthority.com/dxomark-ranking-troublesome-805633/

I'd also add that different cameras have a range of strengths/weaknesses 
- there's no one 'better' for all phone cameras.

And software seems to be increasingly significant, especially at the 
high end. So today's 'top' could be overtaken with an improvement in the 
app driving the camera.

> There are currently only two iPhones on this planet that don't have from a
> dozen to many dozens of *better* phones, in terms of quality of camera
> results!
> 

You might like to include the full lineup if you must try to produce a 
ranked list.


-- 
Cheers, Rob

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#120590

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
Message-ID	<q1j87p$ltk$2@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120547

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:14:33 +0000, RJH wrote:

> Not really:
> https://www.androidauthority.com/dxomark-ranking-troublesome-805633/

Being an adult, and being reasonably intelligent, and logical, I completely
comprehend your point that DXOMark isn't the endall of camera tests.

However, if you're going to diss a reference, the responsibility is on you
to provide a BETTER reference.

Which you didn't provide.
Since I'm reasonable and logical, I understand WHY you didn't provide it.

The simple fact is that there is nothing better.
Whether "we" (that's you and me and all logical adults) like it or not, 
there is nothing better (that I know of).

And, what we KNOW is that, historically, the iPhone cameras have been on
the bottom of the top ten, for YEARS on end. 

Every once in a while the iPhone cameras make it to the top five, but are
soon surpassed, in almost all (if not all) instances.

At this very moment, there are from a dozen, to dozens of Android phone
cameras with*better* quality of results than most iPhone cameras (based on
that reference - which is the best that we have).

The main reason people THINK iPhone cameras are better is because Apple
MARKETING is the best of the best of the best of the best, at spewing their
dogmatic preachings.

Those with the weakest minds, IMHO, always gravitate to such dogma.
I'm only asking people with INTELLIGENCE to examine if that dogma is fact.

Even your own reference clearly says "DxOMark's testing process is very
robust. They test a camera's exposure, color, texture, noise, artifacts,
zoom, and others. Scores are given to each element tested, along with an
overall score for each camera".

We're all ADULTS here (let's hope).
We all KNOW that an "overall score" is, in itself, an amalgam of scores.

Your reference says it quite clearly - but we already KNOW that fact.

I will assume you, like most of us, have evaluated SLRs for decades, where
there are PLENTY of great sites that do the same time (and even more
detailed) evaluations than DXOMark does. 

Unfortunately, to my knowledge, they don't comprehensively test phones.

Hence, my point to you is that, while an "overall score" is an amalgam of
scores, I will repeat two things that are critical if we want to talk
facts:
1. DXOMark, even as an amalgam, is just about the best we can find, and, 
2. There's nothing stopping us from delving into the individual reports.

> I'd also add that different cameras have a range of strengths/weaknesses 
> - there's no one 'better' for all phone cameras.

Being a logical sentient adult with at least average intelligence, I agree
with you that each person may weigh different camera characteristics
differently.

As I noted above, there's nothing stopping us from delving into the
individual DXOMark tests, where the individual scores that make up the
amalgam are provided.

Again, my point is that Apple has DELUDED the masses into "thinking" that
iPhone cameras are somehow (magically?) better than Android cameras, where
there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that this is the case in general.

In fact, all the evidence points to Apple cameras being on the BOTTOM of
the top ten historically (which is still a stellar achievement - but it's
not ever the best of the best, in historical terms).

All I want is for people to comprehend FACTS.
Cold hard facts.

What most people spout is Apple MARKETING religious dogma.

> And software seems to be increasingly significant, especially at the 
> high end. So today's 'top' could be overtaken with an improvement in the 
> app driving the camera.

That's an interesting point, where we can assume DXOMark doesn't make use
of image-enhancing software... however ... if image-enhancing software
exists, why wouldn't it exist on both platforms?

That is, either platform (as can Windows/Linux) can take a RAW image file
and then "work it" to the users' needs.

With that, I dismiss this objection to the DXOMark results as a red
herring,  but if you disagree, please do so on facts.

>> There are currently only two iPhones on this planet that don't have from a
>> dozen to many dozens of *better* phones, in terms of quality of camera
>> results!
>> 
> 
> You might like to include the full lineup if you must try to produce a 
> ranked list.

I'm not sure what you're asking me since all I did was visit the DXOMark
web page and cut and paste the phones, ordering them showing the number of
Android phones that are better than or equal to the Apple phones on the
list, based on overall score.

As I said many times, and we've proven many times, iPhones tend to be on
the top ten list (which is great), but almost always in the BOTTOM of the
top ten, which simply means there's almost always plenty of Android cameras
that score better on output than iPhone cameras.

Currently, there are more than a dozen to dozens of Android phones that
have better camera output than do most iPhones.

The main point is only that of FACT.
Most people who THINK Apple iPhones have great cameras are influence, I
think, by the religious dogma spewed by Apple MARKETING.

I agree that Apple MARKETING is the best of the best of the best. Bar none.
However, I am a person beholden to fact.

The fact is that the iPhone cameras are OK, and, in fact, most iPhone
cameras are "pretty damn good", but they are almost never the best of the
best.

I only speak fact.

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#120551

From	Elden <usenet@moondog.org>
Date	2019-01-14 09:04 -0600
Message-ID	<reidnVhpOYaLOKHBnZ2dnUU7-a-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#120496

On 2019-01-13, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2019-01-13 09:31, arlen holder wrote:
>
>>    "Apple has now admitted that upgrade activity is slowing, even in
>>    developed markets, and it's painfully clear that high prices
>>    combined with increasingly incremental feature upgrades is a
>>    recipe for poor sales. The challenge in walking back pricing
>>    would be how to effectively justify that to consumers, after
>>    consistently defending the price increases."
>
>
>
> With regards to the incremental features, this is the same issue with
> all high end phones.

PSA: Please don't feed the troll.

-- 
-=Elden=-

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#120589

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
Message-ID	<q1j87o$ltk$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120551

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:04:54 -0600, Elden wrote:

> Please don't feed the troll.

Says Elden, the moron, who didn't even know that Apple put the throttling
software on _all_ iPhones, whether they are iPhone 6 models, or iPhone 7
models, or iPhone 8 models or iPhone X models.

Elden is so stupid that he disputed that fact.

*Apologists like Elden dispute even that which Apple openly admits!*

That's how utterly unfathomably _ignorant_ Apologists like Elden prove to be!

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#120572

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-14 20:26 +0000
Message-ID	<q1ir8q$3ml$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120486

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 14:50:12 -0500, nospam wrote:

> from last week:

You just proved that you're an utter imbecile, nospam.
Really.

You're so fantastically incredibly stupid - that one has to wonder.
How can human beings be as stupid as you just proved you are?

You make up shit - and then you believe that made up shit.
Seriously nospam.

Why don't you _ever_ deal with facts, nospam?

Facts nospam.
o China wasn't mentioned, or even HINTED at, in Samsung's report!

Facts nopam.
o Samsung clearly blamed seasonality & marketing expenses most.

Facts nospam.
Your reference was published _before_ Samsung released their detailed
guidance report on January 8. They were simply guessing.

Facts nospam.
It turns out that, as I already described, Samsung _clearly_ blamed:
o Memory (mostly due to seasonality based inventory adjustments)
o Smartphone COMPETITION (mostly due to increased MARKETING costs!)

Yup. Those two things. I will repeat, the actual guidance from Samsung
o Blames "lackluster demand in the memory business", and,
o "intensifying competition in the smartphone business".

I repeat, since I already told you, nospam, that Samsung _clearly_ blamed:
1. Memory (mostly due to seasonal & data-center inventory adjustments)
2. Competition (due to increased marketing, seasonality, & FLAT demand)

Those are the facts, nospam.

I know your entire brain is religious - where facts play no role.
You believe, religiously, using religious methods, sans any facts.

However, most intelligent ADULTS believe in facts, nospam.
Yes. Facts.

Facts ... not religion.
Facts.

Facts like these facts, nospam:
o Samsung January 8th 2019 4Q18 Guidance Announcement
<https://www.investegate.co.uk/samsung-electronics--smsn-/rns/4q-2018-pre-earnings-guidance/201901080700024379M/>
<https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-electronics-announces-earnings-guidance-for-2q-2018>
o Sales: 58 trillion to 60 trillion Korean won (average)
o Operating profit: 10.7 trillion to 10.9 trillion Korean won (average)

Some direct quotes from Samsung's own guidance report:
"As preliminary results for 4Q18 are well below initial market
expectations, this document will offer reasons behind the shortfall "

"Amid mounting macro uncertainties, overall earnings decreased sharply q-q
due to: 1) lackluster demand in the memory business; and 2) intensifying
competition in the smartphone business."

"Under weak seasonality, memory earnings fell significantly Q-Q due to
weaker-than-expected demand amid inventory adjustments at data-center
customers"

"Amid a stagnant and fiercely competitive market, mobile profits declined
due to increased marketing expenses under strong seasonality and a flat
smartphone sales volume."

"In the mid to long term, supply and demand dynamics are expected to remain
stable as rising technological requirements and capital intensity increase
difficulties of expanding supply."

Facts nospam.
You're so stupid, it seems, that I gave you an "out" by telling you to not
even THINK of using Samsung as your example ... simply because we ALREADY
PROVED (using facts) that Samsung blamed, clearly,
o Memory (mostly due to seasonal inventory adjustments from data centers)
o Compeitions (mostly due, surprisingly, to increased MARKETING costs!)

You're so utterly fantastically stupid nospam, that you tried to pull that
fast one on us, even as I told you that Samsung already has been proven to
NOT blame what Apple blamed.

HINT: Nobody but Apple is blaming what Apple is blaming.
Nobody.

Those are facts, nospam.
You don't like facts, I know.

But the fact you don't like facts doesn't make facts not facts.

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#120574

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-14 13:09 -0800
Message-ID	<q1itr1$7qc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120572

On 2019-01-14 12:26 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 14:50:12 -0500, nospam wrote:
> 
>> from last week:
> 
> You just proved...

Sorry, but you just proved you cannot afford to allow your opponents 
words stand next to yours.

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#120665

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-16 13:59 +0000
Message-ID	<q1ndbb$j0i$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120486

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:02:36 -0800, sms wrote:

> Not copious notes, but short reminders, tasks, and lists. Something I 
> have to do a lot of in my position.

Hi sms,
While I previously viewed the free stylus as a "toy" with worthless
"colors" & "brush styles", I trust your judgment, so what I'll do, moving
forward, is use my stylus in the next few days, instead of using my finger. 
<http://eguides.sprint.com/support/eguides/lgstylo3/content/lg_stylo_3_ug/using_the_stylus_pen.html>

Hell, I paid $130 for the damn phablet instead of five times more for a
clearly less-functional iPhone 7 Plus (both in terms of hardware & app
functionality):
o Phablet stocking stuffers: iPhone 7 versus LG Stylo 3 Plus price/performance hardware comparison
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/ls71mnkj4jk/n0FaH2e_DQAJ>

Given that, I may as well use some of its expensive hardware features. :)
<https://youtu.be/pSYATP9ORq8?t=66>

With respect to your point about "precision", this video says 
o "it's crazy how precise the writing is" on the LG Stylo 3 Plus 
o due to the "thinner tip" for the stylus:
 <https://youtu.be/O8T7CvyY7J0?t=136>

>> I agree that almost everything on Android is easier than on iOS,
>> simply because even Apple says, for iOS, the real world is "not supported".
> 
> Our IT director bought a Surface Pro instead of an iPad Pro because he 
> uses it both as a tablet and as a laptop for carrying around when 
> carrying a larger device isn't practical, and he needed a mouse. 

It's not surprising that your IT Director chose a "tool" over a "toy".
I wouldn't even _think_ of using my iPad toy in a business environment.
(I wouldn't use Android or Chrome either - as there is only 1 business OS.)

Being unfamiliar with the latest Surface Pro & iPad Pro, here's a review:
o Surface Pro 6 vs. iPad Pro: Which should you buy?
 <https://www.windowscentral.com/surface-pro-6-vs-ipad-pro>
o Surface pro is more of a laptop; iPad Pro is more of a tablet
o Both have a "stunning display" 
o Surface Pro is 12.3-inch (2736x1824) & iPad is 11-inch 2388x1668)
o Both have "great hardware" (including optional keyboard & pen)
o Surface Pro has a kickstand
o iPad Pro has USB-C & Thunderbolt 3

In keeping what your IT Director knows, essentially they clearly (and
repeatedly) tell you that the iPad Pro is more of a "toy" than the Surface
Pro (my words ... they repeatedly said that the Surface Pro acted more like
a laptop while the iPad acted like a tablet).

Part of the reason, they stated, is that iOS is a "toy" operating system
(again, my characterization of their words) where what they literally said
is that...
o "*iOS has no proper file system*"
o "*iOS has no mouse support*"
o "*iOS has awkward multitasking*"
o "*iOS has a bunch of other issues ... to use it like a laptop*"
o "Simple things... are an extremely convoluted process on iOS*"
Those are direct quotes from the article.

The rationale for making iOS a toy operating system is stated clearly:
o "But that's also by design"
o "Apple doesn't want the iPad to be a touchscreen Mac tablet"
o "Sure, you can use it to work — many people do"
o "But you'll potentially have to change your workflow"
o "If a laptop is what you want the iPad..[will] fill you with frustration"
o "If it's laptop-like features you want Apple's tablet will disappoint"

In summary, the iPad Pro is a nice "toy", but it's still a toy because of
the astoundingly huge limitations of the operating system, whereas the
Surface Pro is, they concluded "the one to go for".

Disclaimer: The article is from "Windows Central", so those who cry foul
ball will _still_ have to find a review that doesn't essentially
characterize iOS as a toy operating system.

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#120666

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-16 14:42 +0000
Message-ID	<q1nfs9$mg7$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120486

On 15 Jan 2019 20:58:42 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> The fact that both of these dip shits even use Avast says volumes about
> them.

I _love_ when you post, Jolly Roger ... I really do.

*You have strong opinions - and yet - you're _always_ dead wrong.*

What's amazing actually, is that you _think_ you have brains.
You really do, Jolly Roger.

That's why I _love_ when you post.
You _prove_ to own a mind that is completely devoid of facts.

And yet, in *perfect Dunning-Kruger style*, you don't even _know_ it.

What your brain is missing, Jolly Roger, isn't religious conviction.
You certainly have very strong religious convictions on everything.

What your brain is entirely missing - Jolly Roger - are facts.

FACTS:
o  Ping Steve Crook & other free server admins: How/why are Avast headers & sig added to these messages? 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.os.linux/a8o3srYBw0U/ijv-OPSnAwAJ>

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#120670

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-16 17:20 +0000
Message-ID	<q1np51$8rc$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120486

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:04:11 -0800, sms wrote:

> No, he's right. I have a new laptop and I forgot to turn off that stupid 
> Avast signature. I will take care of that.

Hi sms,

This is a very important message ... from me ... to you.

He's not actually right but it depends on what _you_ mean by right.
o You're using Windows (which happened to have Avast)
o I'm using Linux (where Avast doesn't even run)

Steve ... (I think you're name is Steve?) ... I have to tell you something.
I just had an epitome. 
A very important epitome.

This Avast-sig stuff from Lewis right on top of the calendar ICS
export/import stuff from Jolly Roger right on top of the lack of
comprehension of Apple statements from Alan Baker stuff, right on top of
the denial of what Apple already admitted on throttling iPhone 8 & X stuff,
etc., helped me comprehend the brain of the score of what I used to call
the canonical Apple Apologist naysayers...
Lewis, nospam, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Snit, BK, etc.
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/mehGxIGcoa8/MoxCZ8XcAwAJ>

To "prove" to them that the sig can be added by the VPN service, 
I decided to point them to this very well tested reliable fact:
o  Ping Steve Crook & other free server admins: How/why are Avast headers &
sig added to these messages? 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.os.linux/a8o3srYBw0U/ijv-OPSnAwAJ>

Now, cognizent sentient logical *adults* can read that.
And they can comprehend what that thread proves
(which is that the VPN provider certainly _can_ add the triple-dash sig).

And yet, Jolly Roger & nospam (and the rest of the bunch) will _never_ 
believe that simple basic obvious well-verified easily proven fact.

I used to think this lack of fact processing could only be that
o They are incredibly unfathomably stupid, or,
o They're just pulling our leg

Hence, all this time I've been trying to talk 'sense' to them.
o For example, _you_ knew you were using Windows, and, 
o I _knew_ I'm on Linux (so I *know* they're dead wrong).

Or, I belittle them in an attempt to disabuse them of their amusement.

*HOWEVER - I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING OF GREAT IMPORT!*
o I realized is that no amount of fact will _ever_ get through to them. 

This is very important so it deserves repeating:
*No amount of fact will _ever_ get through to them*

It's like explaining to the canonical left-side DK bank robber that the
lemon juice didn't actually work and never could have worked.

He'd just look at us - and say - "but it worked!"
   "Dammit. It worked."
   "It works!"
   "You lie!"
   "It works."

Do you see, sms, that this means that it's far worse than stupid.
And, it's far (far) worse than them simply incessantly pulling our leg.

No
It's far worse than I could have ever imagined.

It turns out, sadly, that no amount of fact will get through to them.
They don't possess the adult cognitive skills to process even simple facts.

Hence, I've been approaching this all wrong all along.
o I've been trying to comprehend why they can't comprehend simple fact.
o I've been trying to determine their motive (e.g., amusement?)

But the reality is, sadly, they actually _believe_ what they say!

That's so shocking that I must repeat it:
o *They actually firmly _believe_ what they say!*

That's why they so often flatly denounce what is easily shown to be fact.
They literally actually firmly _believe_ what they say, is true.

Jesus Christ. Lord help us all.
These people actually _do_ exist.
In spades!

There is only one way to deal with these people - and it's not facts.
In fact, I've been wasting my time providing them with facts.

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#120671

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-16 09:30 -0800
Message-ID	<q1npmr$9tg$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120670

On 2019-01-16 9:20 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:04:11 -0800, sms wrote:
> 
>> No, he's right. I have a new laptop and I forgot to turn off that stupid
>> Avast signature. I will take care of that.
> 
> Hi sms,
> 
> This is a very important message ... from me ... to you.
> 
> He's not actually right but it depends on what _you_ mean by right.
> o You're using Windows (which happened to have Avast)
> o I'm using Linux (where Avast doesn't even run)

You should explain this "fact" to Avast:

'What is Avast Security for Linux?
  How do I install Avast Security for Linux?
  How can I start or stop the Avast Linux services?
  How do I insert a license file to Avast Security for Linux?
  How can I keep Avast Security for Linux up to date?
  How do I integrate Avast Security for Linux into AMaViS?'

<https://support.avast.com/en-eu/article/131/>

<snip>

Now explain why I'd be interested in reading the rest of your drivel.

:-)

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#120681

From	Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com>
Date	2019-01-16 14:58 -0500
Message-ID	<0001HW.D864F72204F2174FB02919BF@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#120670

On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:20:34 -0500, arlen holder wrote
(in article <q1np51$8rc$1@news.mixmin.net>):

> Steve ... (I think you're name is Steve?) ... I have to tell you something. I 

> just had an epitome. A very important epitome.

Epiphany, Mr. Intellectual. Epiphany.

-- 
Ed

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#120692

From	Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date	2019-01-17 11:20 -0500
Message-ID	<HrmdnXb-btPLNt3BnZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#120681

On 2019-01-16 14:58, Ed Norton wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:20:34 -0500, arlen holder wrote
> (in article <q1np51$8rc$1@news.mixmin.net>):
> 
>> Steve ... (I think you're name is Steve?) ... I have to tell you something. I
> 
>> just had an epitome. A very important epitome.
> 
> Epiphany, Mr. Intellectual. Epiphany.

He's the epitome of intellectual ... ;-)


-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#121119

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-25 17:41 +0000
Message-ID	<q2fhou$ia6$2@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120335

Tim Cook, true to his word (surprisingly, given his history), is coming
through on price cuts (and some gimmicks) ... 

As always, I don't talk out of my ass like the Apologists do, so, please
see supporting facts below to form your own opinions based on facts.

o iPhone XR price cuts continue as another Japanese carrier announces ~$100 discount
 <https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/24/iphone-xr-price-cuts-continue-as-another-japanese-carrier-announces-100-discount/>

  "In a press release, SoftBank announced that it is cutting the iPhone XR
price by 10,800 yen, which is roughly $100. The price reduction will go
into effect next week, starting on January 30th and will be marketed as the
'iPhone XR Happy Price Campaign'."

"Reports have indicated that Apple has authorized carriers in Japan to
discount the iPhone XR due to lower-than-expected sales."

"Meanwhile, iPhones in China have also seen price cuts as high as 20
percent recently."

"Apple also continues to run its iPhone XS and iPhone XR trade-in
promotions in Japan, which offer discounts on new iPhones with a trade-in
of an older model. Just this morning Apple extended the promo until the end
of next month."

o Apple extends duration of Ąlimited timeĸ iPhone XS/XR trade-in offer in Japan
 <https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/24/apple-extends-duration-of-limited-time-iphone-xs-xr-trade-in-offer-in-japan/>

 "Overnight, Apple has extended its iPhone trade-in offer in Japan. Similar
to the offer available in the US, international Apple customers can trade
in their old iPhone at an Apple Store and get iPhone XS or iPhone XR at a
discount."

"The US trade-in offer differs from every other country in that customers
can receive the boosted value at an Apple retail store or online."

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#121124

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-25 10:09 -0800
Message-ID	<q2fjda$1kk1$7@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#121119

On 2019-01-25 9:41 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
> Tim Cook, true to his word (surprisingly, given his history), is coming
> through on price cuts (and some gimmicks) ...

What "technical answer" was any of this posted to get, "Arlen"?

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#121132

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-25 19:29 +0000
Message-ID	<q2fo2k$tth$3@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#121124

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 10:09:47 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> What "technical answer" was any of this posted to get, "Arlen"?

Hi Alan Baker...
While _everyone_ with skills fits the DK scale, you are _clearly_ at far left.
 <https://loneswimmer.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/dunning-kruger.jpg>

In fact...
You're a poster child, Alan Baker, for the left-side Dunning-Kruger effect.
 <https://understandinginnovation.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/dunning-kruger-0011.jpg>
 
In short...
o You _think_ you comprehend that which you consistently prove to not comprehend.
 <https://graphpaperdiaries.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/dunning-kruger-chart.jpg>

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#121133

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-25 11:35 -0800
Message-ID	<q2fodb$gbj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#121132

On 2019-01-25 11:29 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 10:09:47 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> What "technical answer" was any of this posted to get, "Arlen"?
> 
> Hi Alan Baker...
> While _everyone_ with skills fits the DK scale, you are _clearly_ at far left.
>   <https://loneswimmer.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/dunning-kruger.jpg>

Sorry, but that doesn't answer my question.

> 
> In fact...
> You're a poster child, Alan Baker, for the left-side Dunning-Kruger effect.
>   <https://understandinginnovation.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/dunning-kruger-0011.jpg>

Sorry, but that doesn't answer my question.

>   
> In short...
> o You _think_ you comprehend that which you consistently prove to not comprehend.
>   <https://graphpaperdiaries.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/dunning-kruger-chart.jpg>
> 

I comprehend that for some reason you've failed to answer my question, 
"Arlen".

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