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Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!

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#120383

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-01-10 10:09 -0500
Message-ID	<100120191009424362%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#120380

In article <q17ecl$4vq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> When my sister-in-law recently switched from her old Samsung Galaxy S3 
> to an iPhone 7, she asked me for help. When I could not figure out how 
> to do what she wanted on the iPhone she went to the Genius Bar at a 
> local Apple store. Unfortunately, the Genius Bar employee explained to 
> her what I had also learned by Googling it, the feature she used every 
> work day on her Galaxy S3 was not available on the iPhone.

meanwhile, there were shitloads of things the iphone did that the
samsung did not, especially an old galaxy s3.

no device does everything.

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#120384

From	Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date	2019-01-10 16:18 +0000
Message-ID	<100120191618499680%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to	#120383

In article <100120191009424362%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>In article <q17ecl$4vq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
><scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> When my sister-in-law recently switched from her old Samsung Galaxy S3 
>> to an iPhone 7, she asked me for help. When I could not figure out how 
>> to do what she wanted on the iPhone she went to the Genius Bar at a 
>> local Apple store. Unfortunately, the Genius Bar employee explained to 
>> her what I had also learned by Googling it, the feature she used every 
>> work day on her Galaxy S3 was not available on the iPhone.
>
>meanwhile, there were shitloads of things the iphone did that the
>samsung did not, especially an old galaxy s3.
>
>no device does everything.

And it's unclear that smart phones do very much of anything that's of
use anyway, whoever makes them. I took email off mine since it's not
secure; I don't use the camera. Apart from phoning, about the only
thing that's of any actual use to me might be the Google Calendar app.
I use it for Twitter but trying to type on the tiny keyboard means I
usually wait until later and do it on a proper keyboard.

-- 
I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you can avoid
it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if you can. There
are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed whole academic subjects,
such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

Roger Scruton

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#120385

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-01-10 11:26 -0500
Message-ID	<100120191126361244%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#120384

In article <100120191618499680%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> And it's unclear that smart phones do very much of anything that's of
> use anyway, whoever makes them. I took email off mine since it's not
> secure; I don't use the camera. Apart from phoning, about the only
> thing that's of any actual use to me might be the Google Calendar app.
> I use it for Twitter but trying to type on the tiny keyboard means I
> usually wait until later and do it on a proper keyboard.

maybe not for you, but for billions of others, they are *very* useful.

having a camera all the time is extremely useful and email is at least
as secure as the phone is.

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#120399

From	Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date	2019-01-10 16:58 -0500
Message-ID	<2L-dnbJT1IJkIqrBnZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#120384

On 2019-01-10 11:18, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <100120191009424362%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In article <q17ecl$4vq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When my sister-in-law recently switched from her old Samsung Galaxy 
>>> S3 to an iPhone 7, she asked me for help. When I could not figure out 
>>> how to do what she wanted on the iPhone she went to the Genius Bar at 
>>> a local Apple store. Unfortunately, the Genius Bar employee explained 
>>> to her what I had also learned by Googling it, the feature she used 
>>> every work day on her Galaxy S3 was not available on the iPhone.
>>
>> meanwhile, there were shitloads of things the iphone did that the
>> samsung did not, especially an old galaxy s3.
>>
>> no device does everything.
> 
> And it's unclear that smart phones do very much of anything that's of
> use anyway, whoever makes them. I took email off mine since it's not
> secure; I don't use the camera. Apart from phoning, about the only
> thing that's of any actual use to me might be the Google Calendar app.

SSL much?  ie: no less secure that a properly setup personal computer's 
e-mail.

As to "much of anything that's of use"?  Very long list beginning with 
messages, web access, e-mail, navigation, contacts, and too much more to 
list...

The camera is useful for countless things beyond snapshots.

> I use it for Twitter but trying to type on the tiny keyboard means I
> usually wait until later and do it on a proper keyboard.

Twitter, eh?  Hmm, maybe that's the problem...

-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#120406

From	Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date	2019-01-10 22:27 +0000
Message-ID	<100120192227097645%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to	#120399

In article <2L-dnbJT1IJkIqrBnZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

>On 2019-01-10 11:18, Tim Streater wrote:
>> In article <100120191009424362%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <q17ecl$4vq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When my sister-in-law recently switched from her old Samsung Galaxy 
>>>> S3 to an iPhone 7, she asked me for help. When I could not figure out 
>>>> how to do what she wanted on the iPhone she went to the Genius Bar at 
>>>> a local Apple store. Unfortunately, the Genius Bar employee explained 
>>>> to her what I had also learned by Googling it, the feature she used 
>>>> every work day on her Galaxy S3 was not available on the iPhone.
>>>
>>> meanwhile, there were shitloads of things the iphone did that the
>>> samsung did not, especially an old galaxy s3.
>>>
>>> no device does everything.
>> 
>> And it's unclear that smart phones do very much of anything that's of
>> use anyway, whoever makes them. I took email off mine since it's not
>> secure; I don't use the camera. Apart from phoning, about the only
>> thing that's of any actual use to me might be the Google Calendar app.
>
>SSL much?  ie: no less secure that a properly setup personal computer's 
>e-mail.

SSL is neither here nor there in this context, unless the mail client
uses some smarts about not letting URLs and <img> downloads effectively
phone home to the spammer.

>
>As to "much of anything that's of use"?  Very long list beginning with 
>messages, web access, e-mail, navigation, contacts, and too much more to 
>list...
>
>The camera is useful for countless things beyond snapshots.

Ah, you mean for those bank robberies, plane crashes, tsunamis,
earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions that occur on a daily basis where
you are? Life is quieter here.

-- 
"If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling 
that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't 
ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid
tripping your hair-trigger insecurities."                  - D M Procida, UCSM

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#120407

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-10 14:33 -0800
Message-ID	<q18h7c$cp7$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120406

On 2019-01-10 2:27 p.m., Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <2L-dnbJT1IJkIqrBnZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2019-01-10 11:18, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> In article <100120191009424362%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <q17ecl$4vq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>>>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When my sister-in-law recently switched from her old Samsung Galaxy 
>>>>> S3 to an iPhone 7, she asked me for help. When I could not figure 
>>>>> out how to do what she wanted on the iPhone she went to the Genius 
>>>>> Bar at a local Apple store. Unfortunately, the Genius Bar employee 
>>>>> explained to her what I had also learned by Googling it, the 
>>>>> feature she used every work day on her Galaxy S3 was not available 
>>>>> on the iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> meanwhile, there were shitloads of things the iphone did that the
>>>> samsung did not, especially an old galaxy s3.
>>>>
>>>> no device does everything.
>>>
>>> And it's unclear that smart phones do very much of anything that's of
>>> use anyway, whoever makes them. I took email off mine since it's not
>>> secure; I don't use the camera. Apart from phoning, about the only
>>> thing that's of any actual use to me might be the Google Calendar app.
>>
>> SSL much?  ie: no less secure that a properly setup personal 
>> computer's e-mail.
> 
> SSL is neither here nor there in this context, unless the mail client
> uses some smarts about not letting URLs and <img> downloads effectively
> phone home to the spammer.

You mean... ...like this:

<https://www.wikihow.com/Load-Images-in-Mail-Automatically-on-an-iPhone>

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#120425

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2019-01-11 16:47 +0000
Message-ID	<g9rvkqFkoddU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120407

Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
> On 2019-01-10 2:27 p.m., Tim Streater wrote:
>> In article <2L-dnbJT1IJkIqrBnZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2019-01-10 11:18, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>> In article <100120191009424362%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In article <q17ecl$4vq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>>>>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> When my sister-in-law recently switched from her old Samsung Galaxy 
>>>>>> S3 to an iPhone 7, she asked me for help. When I could not figure 
>>>>>> out how to do what she wanted on the iPhone she went to the Genius 
>>>>>> Bar at a local Apple store. Unfortunately, the Genius Bar employee 
>>>>>> explained to her what I had also learned by Googling it, the 
>>>>>> feature she used every work day on her Galaxy S3 was not available 
>>>>>> on the iPhone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> meanwhile, there were shitloads of things the iphone did that the
>>>>> samsung did not, especially an old galaxy s3.
>>>>> 
>>>>> no device does everything.
>>>> 
>>>> And it's unclear that smart phones do very much of anything that's of
>>>> use anyway, whoever makes them. I took email off mine since it's not
>>>> secure; I don't use the camera. Apart from phoning, about the only
>>>> thing that's of any actual use to me might be the Google Calendar app.
>>> 
>>> SSL much?  ie: no less secure that a properly setup personal 
>>> computer's e-mail.
>> 
>> SSL is neither here nor there in this context, unless the mail client
>> uses some smarts about not letting URLs and <img> downloads effectively
>> phone home to the spammer.
> 
> You mean... ...like this:
> 
> <https://www.wikihow.com/Load-Images-in-Mail-Automatically-on-an-iPhone>

Oops. How embarrassing.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#120408

From	"dkol" <dkol@gmail.com>
Date	2019-01-11 10:27 +1100
Message-ID	<g9q2msF832jU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120406


"Tim Streater" <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote in message 
news:100120192227097645%timstreater@greenbee.net...
> In article <2L-dnbJT1IJkIqrBnZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2019-01-10 11:18, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> In article <100120191009424362%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <q17ecl$4vq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>>>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When my sister-in-law recently switched from her old Samsung Galaxy S3 
>>>>> to an iPhone 7, she asked me for help. When I could not figure out how 
>>>>> to do what she wanted on the iPhone she went to the Genius Bar at a 
>>>>> local Apple store. Unfortunately, the Genius Bar employee explained to 
>>>>> her what I had also learned by Googling it, the feature she used every 
>>>>> work day on her Galaxy S3 was not available on the iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> meanwhile, there were shitloads of things the iphone did that the
>>>> samsung did not, especially an old galaxy s3.
>>>>
>>>> no device does everything.
>>>
>>> And it's unclear that smart phones do very much of anything that's of
>>> use anyway, whoever makes them. I took email off mine since it's not
>>> secure; I don't use the camera. Apart from phoning, about the only
>>> thing that's of any actual use to me might be the Google Calendar app.
>>
>>SSL much?  ie: no less secure that a properly setup personal computer's 
>>e-mail.
>
> SSL is neither here nor there in this context, unless the mail client
> uses some smarts about not letting URLs and <img> downloads effectively
> phone home to the spammer.
>
>>
>>As to "much of anything that's of use"?  Very long list beginning with 
>>messages, web access, e-mail, navigation, contacts, and too much more to 
>>list...
>>
>>The camera is useful for countless things beyond snapshots.
>
> Ah, you mean for those bank robberies, plane crashes, tsunamis,
> earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions that occur on a daily basis where
> you are?

Nope, for taking a photo of the shelf price when shopping
around, taking a photo of the model plate when looking
for a part for it when it had died, taking a photo of something
like a sim which has printing on it too small and feint to read
so you can read the number from the photo, taking a photo
of the other car that has just run into you, and the driver etc.

> Life is quieter here.

But even you would do plenty that’s more convenient with a smartphone.

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#120420

From	Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date	2019-01-11 11:23 +0000
Message-ID	<110120191123422909%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to	#120408

In article <g9q2msF832jU1@mid.individual.net>, dkol <dkol@gmail.com>
wrote:

>"Tim Streater" <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote in message 
>news:100120192227097645%timstreater@greenbee.net...
>> In article <2L-dnbJT1IJkIqrBnZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2019-01-10 11:18, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>> In article <100120191009424362%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <q17ecl$4vq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>>>>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When my sister-in-law recently switched from her old Samsung Galaxy S3 
>>>>>> to an iPhone 7, she asked me for help. When I could not figure out how 
>>>>>> to do what she wanted on the iPhone she went to the Genius Bar at a 
>>>>>> local Apple store. Unfortunately, the Genius Bar employee explained to 
>>>>>> her what I had also learned by Googling it, the feature she used every 
>>>>>> work day on her Galaxy S3 was not available on the iPhone.
>>>>>
>>>>> meanwhile, there were shitloads of things the iphone did that the
>>>>> samsung did not, especially an old galaxy s3.
>>>>>
>>>>> no device does everything.
>>>>
>>>> And it's unclear that smart phones do very much of anything that's of
>>>> use anyway, whoever makes them. I took email off mine since it's not
>>>> secure; I don't use the camera. Apart from phoning, about the only
>>>> thing that's of any actual use to me might be the Google Calendar app.
>>>
>>>SSL much?  ie: no less secure that a properly setup personal computer's 
>>>e-mail.
>>
>> SSL is neither here nor there in this context, unless the mail client
>> uses some smarts about not letting URLs and <img> downloads effectively
>> phone home to the spammer.
>>
>>>
>>>As to "much of anything that's of use"?  Very long list beginning with 
>>>messages, web access, e-mail, navigation, contacts, and too much more to 
>>>list...
>>>
>>>The camera is useful for countless things beyond snapshots.
>>
>> Ah, you mean for those bank robberies, plane crashes, tsunamis,
>> earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions that occur on a daily basis where
>> you are?
>
>Nope, for taking a photo of the shelf price when shopping
>around, taking a photo of the model plate when looking
>for a part for it when it had died

For that I'll just take the old 6Mpx Sony I bought in 2003 or whenever,
for the very few occasions when I wanted to do that.

>taking a photo of something
>like a sim which has printing on it too small and feint to read
>so you can read the number from the photo, taking a photo
>of the other car that has just run into you, and the driver etc.

Last time anyone ran into me was in 1985. I'd say a dashcam at £30
would be a much better buy.

-- 
"What causes poverty?" Wrong question. Poverty is our primordial state. The
real question is, "What causes wealth?"

Hint: it ain't Socialism.

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#120429

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-11 10:07 -0800
Message-ID	<q1am1o$1tbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120420

On 2019-01-11 3:23 a.m., Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <g9q2msF832jU1@mid.individual.net>, dkol <dkol@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> "Tim Streater" <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote in message 
>> news:100120192227097645%timstreater@greenbee.net...
>>> In article <2L-dnbJT1IJkIqrBnZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2019-01-10 11:18, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>> In article <100120191009424362%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <q17ecl$4vq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>>>>>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When my sister-in-law recently switched from her old Samsung 
>>>>>>> Galaxy S3 to an iPhone 7, she asked me for help. When I could not 
>>>>>>> figure out how to do what she wanted on the iPhone she went to 
>>>>>>> the Genius Bar at a local Apple store. Unfortunately, the Genius 
>>>>>>> Bar employee explained to her what I had also learned by Googling 
>>>>>>> it, the feature she used every work day on her Galaxy S3 was not 
>>>>>>> available on the iPhone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> meanwhile, there were shitloads of things the iphone did that the
>>>>>> samsung did not, especially an old galaxy s3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no device does everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it's unclear that smart phones do very much of anything that's of
>>>>> use anyway, whoever makes them. I took email off mine since it's not
>>>>> secure; I don't use the camera. Apart from phoning, about the only
>>>>> thing that's of any actual use to me might be the Google Calendar app.
>>>>
>>>> SSL much?  ie: no less secure that a properly setup personal 
>>>> computer's e-mail.
>>>
>>> SSL is neither here nor there in this context, unless the mail client
>>> uses some smarts about not letting URLs and <img> downloads effectively
>>> phone home to the spammer.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As to "much of anything that's of use"?  Very long list beginning 
>>>> with messages, web access, e-mail, navigation, contacts, and too 
>>>> much more to list...
>>>>
>>>> The camera is useful for countless things beyond snapshots.
>>>
>>> Ah, you mean for those bank robberies, plane crashes, tsunamis,
>>> earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions that occur on a daily basis where
>>> you are?
>>
>> Nope, for taking a photo of the shelf price when shopping
>> around, taking a photo of the model plate when looking
>> for a part for it when it had died
> 
> For that I'll just take the old 6Mpx Sony I bought in 2003 or whenever,
> for the very few occasions when I wanted to do that.

So that's one more thing to carry...

> 
>> taking a photo of something
>> like a sim which has printing on it too small and feint to read
>> so you can read the number from the photo, taking a photo
>> of the other car that has just run into you, and the driver etc.
> 
> Last time anyone ran into me was in 1985. I'd say a dashcam at £30
> would be a much better buy.
>

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#120430

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-01-11 14:25 -0500
Message-ID	<110120191425513862%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#120429

In article <q1am1o$1tbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
wrote:

> >>>>
> >>>> The camera is useful for countless things beyond snapshots.
> >>>
> >>> Ah, you mean for those bank robberies, plane crashes, tsunamis,
> >>> earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions that occur on a daily basis where
> >>> you are?
> >>
> >> Nope, for taking a photo of the shelf price when shopping
> >> around, taking a photo of the model plate when looking
> >> for a part for it when it had died
> > 
> > For that I'll just take the old 6Mpx Sony I bought in 2003 or whenever,
> > for the very few occasions when I wanted to do that.
> 
> So that's one more thing to carry...

and much worse than a modern smartphone camera in almost every way.

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#120433

From	Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date	2019-01-11 21:39 +0000
Message-ID	<110120192139334136%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to	#120430

In article <110120191425513862%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>In article <q1am1o$1tbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
>wrote:
>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The camera is useful for countless things beyond snapshots.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ah, you mean for those bank robberies, plane crashes, tsunamis,
>> >>> earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions that occur on a daily basis where
>> >>> you are?
>> >>
>> >> Nope, for taking a photo of the shelf price when shopping
>> >> around, taking a photo of the model plate when looking
>> >> for a part for it when it had died
>> > 
>> > For that I'll just take the old 6Mpx Sony I bought in 2003 or whenever,
>> > for the very few occasions when I wanted to do that.
>> 
>> So that's one more thing to carry...
>
>and much worse than a modern smartphone camera in almost every way.

If I wanted quality images I wouldn't be using the 15 year old Sony
*or* a smartphone. I have a proper camera for that. At least the Sony
just takes a couple of AA which last a long time.

-- 
"Freedom is sloppy. But since tyranny's the only guaranteed byproduct of
those who insist on a perfect world, freedom will have to do." -- Bigby Wolf

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#120434

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-11 14:26 -0800
Message-ID	<q1b566$3eo$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120433

On 2019-01-11 1:39 p.m., Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <110120191425513862%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In article <q1am1o$1tbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The camera is useful for countless things beyond snapshots.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ah, you mean for those bank robberies, plane crashes, tsunamis,
>>> >>> earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions that occur on a daily basis 
>>> where
>>> >>> you are?
>>> >>
>>> >> Nope, for taking a photo of the shelf price when shopping
>>> >> around, taking a photo of the model plate when looking
>>> >> for a part for it when it had died
>>> > > For that I'll just take the old 6Mpx Sony I bought in 2003 or 
>>> whenever,
>>> > for the very few occasions when I wanted to do that.
>>>
>>> So that's one more thing to carry...
>>
>> and much worse than a modern smartphone camera in almost every way.
> 
> If I wanted quality images I wouldn't be using the 15 year old Sony
> *or* a smartphone. I have a proper camera for that. At least the Sony
> just takes a couple of AA which last a long time.
> 

So you're arguing that AA batteries make it better than a smartphone you 
can just recharge?

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#120451

From	Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date	2019-01-12 09:58 -0500
Message-ID	<qoCdnS1yi7swnafBnZ2dnUU7-dHNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#120433

On 2019-01-11 16:39, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <110120191425513862%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In article <q1am1o$1tbm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The camera is useful for countless things beyond snapshots.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ah, you mean for those bank robberies, plane crashes, tsunamis,
>>> >>> earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions that occur on a daily basis 
>>> where
>>> >>> you are?
>>> >>
>>> >> Nope, for taking a photo of the shelf price when shopping
>>> >> around, taking a photo of the model plate when looking
>>> >> for a part for it when it had died
>>> > > For that I'll just take the old 6Mpx Sony I bought in 2003 or 
>>> whenever,
>>> > for the very few occasions when I wanted to do that.
>>>
>>> So that's one more thing to carry...
>>
>> and much worse than a modern smartphone camera in almost every way.
> 
> If I wanted quality images I wouldn't be using the 15 year old Sony
> *or* a smartphone. I have a proper camera for that. At least the Sony
> just takes a couple of AA which last a long time.

I don't carry my high end (or medium end) cameras everywhere I go.  I 
almost always have my iPhone with me as it does dozens of things for me 
- amongst them providing a very high quality general purpose camera. 
(From there the ability to make good photos is really the photog's job).

Again, you're striving hard to put down something you don't understand 
or actually use so you could understand.

-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
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#120453

From	sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date	2019-01-12 08:09 -0800
Message-ID	<q1d3fs$me9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#120451

On 1/12/2019 6:58 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

<snip>

> I don't carry my high end (or medium end) cameras everywhere I go.  I 
> almost always have my iPhone with me as it does dozens of things for me 
> - amongst them providing a very high quality general purpose camera. 
> (From there the ability to make good photos is really the photog's job).

I have a friend who is a professional photographer as well as a big fan 
of iPhones. He was in line at the Apple Visitor Center on the day the Xs 
was released.

The cameras on the Xs Max are better than cheap digital cameras. He's 
posted some amazing photos from the Xs Max, apologizing, "I didn't have 
a professional camera with me so this is the best I could do."

The cameras on the Xs are much better than those on the Xr, so just 
think of the price difference as eliminating the need to purchase (and 
carry) a separate camera.

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#120456

From	Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date	2019-01-12 11:56 -0500
Message-ID	<CJadnaTek_jOgafBnZ2dnUU7-SXNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#120453

On 2019-01-12 11:09, sms wrote:
> On 1/12/2019 6:58 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> I don't carry my high end (or medium end) cameras everywhere I go.  I 
>> almost always have my iPhone with me as it does dozens of things for 
>> me - amongst them providing a very high quality general purpose 
>> camera. (From there the ability to make good photos is really the 
>> photog's job).
> 
> I have a friend who is a professional photographer as well as a big fan 
> of iPhones. He was in line at the Apple Visitor Center on the day the Xs 
> was released.
> 
> The cameras on the Xs Max are better than cheap digital cameras. He's 
> posted some amazing photos from the Xs Max, apologizing, "I didn't have 
> a professional camera with me so this is the best I could do."
> 
> The cameras on the Xs are much better than those on the Xr, so just 
> think of the price difference as eliminating the need to purchase (and 
> carry) a separate camera.

That said, for a lot of pro work the iPhone can't come close to a proper 
rig with proper to the task lenses, lighting, etc.

Still on my 6+ which has a very nice camera.  But I'm tired of the large 
size and my next iPhone will be the best but smaller version, whatever 
that will be called at the end of 2019 or even end of 2020.  I like the 
size and feel of my SO's 7.

-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#120462

From	sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date	2019-01-12 12:17 -0800
Message-ID	<q1di0u$nie$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#120456

On 1/12/2019 8:56 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

<snip>

> Still on my 6+ which has a very nice camera.  But I'm tired of the large 
> size and my next iPhone will be the best but smaller version, whatever 
> that will be called at the end of 2019 or even end of 2020.  I like the 
> size and feel of my SO's 7.

It would be nice if there were are Xs Min for those users that want a 
smaller phone, but that still want a flagship model. Right now they 
don't have any small flagship phones, only mid-tier models. A new 4.7" 
screen phone could be even smaller than the 8 if they got rid of the bezels.

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#120463

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-01-12 15:26 -0500
Message-ID	<120120191526135842%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#120462

In article <q1di0u$nie$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > Still on my 6+ which has a very nice camera.  But I'm tired of the large 
> > size and my next iPhone will be the best but smaller version, whatever 
> > that will be called at the end of 2019 or even end of 2020.  I like the 
> > size and feel of my SO's 7.
> 
> It would be nice if there were are Xs Min for those users that want a 
> smaller phone, but that still want a flagship model. Right now they 
> don't have any small flagship phones, only mid-tier models. A new 4.7" 
> screen phone could be even smaller than the 8 if they got rid of the bezels.

there are rumours of an iphone se replacement, which historically has
been updated in the spring.

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#120468

From	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date	2019-01-12 18:59 -0500
Message-ID	<Fbv_D.37404$gz4.27938@fx05.iad>
In reply to	#120463

On 2019-01-12 15:26, nospam wrote:

> there are rumours of an iphone se replacement, which historically has
> been updated in the spring.

Except Apple widthdrew the still current SE last fall despite IOS still
supporting it.

It becomes hard to support the latest gadget-laden CPU chip in a small
form factor where the battery will quickly start to be unable to provide
the necessary amps.

It might make sense for Apple to create a variant of the A12 with single
core, no neural network thingny, to reduce maximum power draw. (could be
same production run and featiures disabled in software to reduce
production costs, or use chip rejects where a core, neural network was
deffective).

I think the idea would be to market a phone with a speed it can
maintain, as opposed to marketing it with a super duper speed that gets
throttled back and people complaining it isn't delivering on promised
performance.

But yeah, having an SE class phone would be great if they can make it work.

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#120470

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-13 00:22 +0000
Message-ID	<q1e0c2$1da$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120468

On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:59:33 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:

> I think the idea would be to market a phone with a speed it can
> maintain, as opposed to marketing it with a super duper speed that gets
> throttled back and people complaining it isn't delivering on promised
> performance.

Thin. _Thin!_ Don't forget *thin*!

 ... I think the idea would be to market a reliable phone that has a CPU
speed it can maintain for years, as opposed to marketing a super-thin super
expensive phone with a super duper speed that inevitably gets  throttled
drastically with people then feeling duped in only one year when it no
longer delivers on initial performance...

Thin. _Thin!_ Don't forget *thin*!

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