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Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!

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#120335 — Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-09 23:24 +0000
Subject	Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!
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*Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!*
<https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=363>

Let's start at time point 315:
 <https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=315>

"There is some *weakness outside of China* as well. I would have liked to
have done better in some of our *developed markets*"

Duh.
o *There is some weakness _outside of China_*
o *Would have liked to have done better in some of our _developed markets_*

Need I repeat the facts, Tim Cook?
1. You screwed _every_ single iPhone owner of last years expensive iPhones.
2. You followed up with a line of super expensive (probably flawed) iPhones

Maybe, Tim Cook ... just maybe ... you shouldn't have screwed _everyone_???

Moving on with the interview...
 "I would have liked to do better in some of our developed markets. So how
can we do that? Well the subsidies are fewer these days. That's true. But
we have started a trade-in program. (Bullshit alert...) We started it
primarily because it's great for the environment (Bullshit alert...) It
keeps a unit with someone that wants it (Bullshit alert...) And the person
that wants a new one gets a new one as well. (Bullshit alert...) And it's
great for developers and so forth as well. But we haven't really marketed
it as well."

Ahem... Wow. The bullshit from Tim Cook was flying.
Only a true Apple idiot would believe anything Tim Cook just said.
Really.

What does Tim Cook think of the intelligence of his average customer?
*Are Tim Cook's customers actually _that_ incredibly stupid?*

The next sentence gets a little closer to the truth ... 
 "And it's great for developers and so forth as well. But we haven't really
marketed it as well. The truth is to the consumer the trade-in looks like a
subsidy. *Because it _lowers_ the price*."

Let's repeat that last phrase:
o *Because it lowers the price*

Duh.   
It's the price, stupid. 
o You screwed an entire line of iPhone customers, and then, 
o You raised the price on the next line (likely just as flawed).

Jesus Christ. 

*You ran out of sheep, Tim Cook.*
Even I can see that. And I only have a minor in Economics.

Moving on... 
 "The truth is to the consumer the trade-in looks like a subsidy. Because
it lowers the price of the phone that you want."

Duh. Let's repeat that first half of that key line:
o *it lowers the price of the phone*

And then, let's look at the second half of that key line:
o *of the phone that you want*

Hehhehheh... (Hey Tim Cook. What if nobody actually _wants_ it?)
HINT: There's nothing of value in it to warrant the astronomical pricing!

Let's move on with this adult analysis of what Tim Cook is saying...
 "Because it lowers the price of the phone that you want. And so let me
give you and example of that. The retail price of the iPhone XR in the
United States is $749. But if you happen to trade in a 7+, which many
people are in order to get that, the price goes all the way down to $449 a
lot [sic]."

Ummmm "a lot"? WTF does that mean?

Moving on... we have a (Bullshit alert...) coming up...
 "...the price goes all the way down to $449 a lot [sic]." And so there is
a substantial benefit economic and environmental for trade in (Bullshit
alert...) We're also working on placing the ability to do monthly charges
in [sic] and so it begins to look like more of the traditional way of
paying for it through the carrier by you know by taking the rates out for
24 months or so...[sic]"

Hehhehheh... did I just hear what I just heard?
o *You're gonna *HIDE* the true costs from the consumer, Tim Cook?*
Is _that_ what you just said?

Do you _really_ think your loyal customer is _that_ stupid, Tim Cook?

Yup. That's what he said. Moving forward, the subterfuge continues...
 "so it begins to look like more of the traditional way of paying for it
through the carrier by you know by taking the rates out for 24 months or
so...[sic]. And so you wind up getting an incredible new phone that is so
much better than what you had, for twenty thirty dollars a month, or so".

Holy Shit. I _did_ hear Tim Cook just say he feels his customer is STUPID!

It's not how much you pay by month - it's how much you pay.
Jesus Christ. 
o *Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!*

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#120337

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-09 15:41 -0800
Message-ID	<q160rc$14qt$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120335

On 2019-01-09 3:24 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> *Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!*
> <https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=363>

No. He really didn't.

But if you can underline anything in what you quoted (poorly) below, 
I'll consider retracting it.

> 
> Let's start at time point 315:
>   <https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=315>
> 
> "There is some *weakness outside of China* as well. I would have liked to
> have done better in some of our *developed markets*"
> 
> Duh.
> o *There is some weakness _outside of China_*
> o *Would have liked to have done better in some of our _developed markets_*
> 
> Need I repeat the facts, Tim Cook?
> 1. You screwed _every_ single iPhone owner of last years expensive iPhones.
> 2. You followed up with a line of super expensive (probably flawed) iPhones
> 
> Maybe, Tim Cook ... just maybe ... you shouldn't have screwed _everyone_???
> 
> Moving on with the interview...
>   "I would have liked to do better in some of our developed markets. So how
> can we do that? Well the subsidies are fewer these days. That's true. But
> we have started a trade-in program. (Bullshit alert...) We started it
> primarily because it's great for the environment (Bullshit alert...) It
> keeps a unit with someone that wants it (Bullshit alert...) And the person
> that wants a new one gets a new one as well. (Bullshit alert...) And it's
> great for developers and so forth as well. But we haven't really marketed
> it as well."
> 
> Ahem... Wow. The bullshit from Tim Cook was flying.
> Only a true Apple idiot would believe anything Tim Cook just said.
> Really.
> 
> What does Tim Cook think of the intelligence of his average customer?
> *Are Tim Cook's customers actually _that_ incredibly stupid?*
> 
> The next sentence gets a little closer to the truth ...
>   "And it's great for developers and so forth as well. But we haven't really
> marketed it as well. The truth is to the consumer the trade-in looks like a
> subsidy. *Because it _lowers_ the price*."
> 
> Let's repeat that last phrase:
> o *Because it lowers the price*
> 
> Duh.
> It's the price, stupid.
> o You screwed an entire line of iPhone customers, and then,
> o You raised the price on the next line (likely just as flawed).
> 
> Jesus Christ.
> 
> *You ran out of sheep, Tim Cook.*
> Even I can see that. And I only have a minor in Economics.
> 
> Moving on...
>   "The truth is to the consumer the trade-in looks like a subsidy. Because
> it lowers the price of the phone that you want."
> 
> Duh. Let's repeat that first half of that key line:
> o *it lowers the price of the phone*
> 
> And then, let's look at the second half of that key line:
> o *of the phone that you want*
> 
> Hehhehheh... (Hey Tim Cook. What if nobody actually _wants_ it?)
> HINT: There's nothing of value in it to warrant the astronomical pricing!
> 
> Let's move on with this adult analysis of what Tim Cook is saying...
>   "Because it lowers the price of the phone that you want. And so let me
> give you and example of that. The retail price of the iPhone XR in the
> United States is $749. But if you happen to trade in a 7+, which many
> people are in order to get that, the price goes all the way down to $449 a
> lot [sic]."
> 
> Ummmm "a lot"? WTF does that mean?
> 
> Moving on... we have a (Bullshit alert...) coming up...
>   "...the price goes all the way down to $449 a lot [sic]." And so there is
> a substantial benefit economic and environmental for trade in (Bullshit
> alert...) We're also working on placing the ability to do monthly charges
> in [sic] and so it begins to look like more of the traditional way of
> paying for it through the carrier by you know by taking the rates out for
> 24 months or so...[sic]"
> 
> Hehhehheh... did I just hear what I just heard?
> o *You're gonna *HIDE* the true costs from the consumer, Tim Cook?*
> Is _that_ what you just said?
> 
> Do you _really_ think your loyal customer is _that_ stupid, Tim Cook?
> 
> Yup. That's what he said. Moving forward, the subterfuge continues...
>   "so it begins to look like more of the traditional way of paying for it
> through the carrier by you know by taking the rates out for 24 months or
> so...[sic]. And so you wind up getting an incredible new phone that is so
> much better than what you had, for twenty thirty dollars a month, or so".
> 
> Holy Shit. I _did_ hear Tim Cook just say he feels his customer is STUPID!
> 
> It's not how much you pay by month - it's how much you pay.
> Jesus Christ.
> o *Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!*
> 
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#120340

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-09 23:58 +0000
Message-ID	<q161r7$42t$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120337

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 15:41:34 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> No. He really didn't.

Oh, it gets even better, Alan Baker. 
Tim Cook later said, at time point 411 seconds, that the customer is,
literally, too stupid to do something themselves which is as simple as
transferring their data from their old phone to their new phone.

Remember Alan Baker - unlike you Apple Apologists...
o I'm not incredibly stupid (I'm of at least average intelligence), and, 
o I only speak facts (well verified, easily validated, well cited facts).

To wit...
  <https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=411>

Tim Cook:
"We are also putting a lot of focus on the service side. Our stores are
unbelievable at service. People are very worried about transferring their
data. They're very worried that with this new phone there will be something
they lost in that process .So we're putting a lot of emphasis on doing that
and doing that well."

 Note that this discussion is about the "revenue shortfall", so, keeping
that in context, it "appears" he is intimating he will CHARGE the customer
to move their data for them from the old phone to the new phone.

Maybe he isn't going to CHARGE them (but he was talking in terms of
services shortfall amelioration) ... but even so, look at his words:
o *People are _very worried_ about transferring their data*
o *They're _very worried_ ... there will be something they lost *

Holy Shit.
*Is Tim Cook really saying about his customer what he just said (twice!)*?

Jesus Christ.
How freaking hard it is to "transfer their data" anyway?

*He twce implied that the Apple customer is _unfathomably_ stupid*.

QUESTION:
Q: How incredibly _stupid_ does Tim Cook think his customer is?
They are "_very worried_" about something _that_ freaking simple?

It's ungodly how evident it is that Tim Cook thinks the customer is 
almost unconceivably unfathomably incredibly STUPID!

What do _you_ make of that statement that Tim Cook just said when
discussing how Apple was going to solve services revenue shortfalls?

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#120341

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-09 16:01 -0800
Message-ID	<q16202$19d8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120340

On 2019-01-09 3:58 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 15:41:34 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> No. He really didn't.
> 
> Oh, it gets even better, Alan Baker.
> Tim Cook later said, at time point 411 seconds, that the customer is,
> literally, too stupid to do something themselves which is as simple as
> transferring their data from their old phone to their new phone.

Quote it... ...accurately.

> 
> Remember Alan Baker - unlike you Apple Apologists...
> o I'm not incredibly stupid (I'm of at least average intelligence), and,
> o I only speak facts (well verified, easily validated, well cited facts).
> 
> To wit...
>    <https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=411>
> 
> Tim Cook:
> "We are also putting a lot of focus on the service side. Our stores are
> unbelievable at service. People are very worried about transferring their
> data. They're very worried that with this new phone there will be something
> they lost in that process .So we're putting a lot of emphasis on doing that
> and doing that well."

People are worried about that; ordinary people worry about that all the 
time.

> 
>   Note that this discussion is about the "revenue shortfall", so, keeping
> that in context, it "appears" he is intimating he will CHARGE the customer
> to move their data for them from the old phone to the new phone.

No. It does '"appear"' that way at all.

> 
> Maybe he isn't going to CHARGE them (but he was talking in terms of
> services shortfall amelioration) ... but even so, look at his words:
> o *People are _very worried_ about transferring their data*
> o *They're _very worried_ ... there will be something they lost *

You're just making things up.

> 
> Holy Shit.
> *Is Tim Cook really saying about his customer what he just said (twice!)*?
> 
> Jesus Christ.
> How freaking hard it is to "transfer their data" anyway?

Too hard for lots of people...

...that's just a fact.

> 
> *He twce implied that the Apple customer is _unfathomably_ stupid*.

Nope. You need to learn the difference between "imply" and "infer".

> 
> QUESTION:
> Q: How incredibly _stupid_ does Tim Cook think his customer is?
> They are "_very worried_" about something _that_ freaking simple?
> 
> It's ungodly how evident it is that Tim Cook thinks the customer is
> almost unconceivably unfathomably incredibly STUPID!
> 
> What do _you_ make of that statement that Tim Cook just said when
> discussing how Apple was going to solve services revenue shortfalls?
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#120345

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-10 00:13 +0000
Message-ID	<q162n7$59p$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120341

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 16:01:08 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> Quote it... ...accurately.

You're an utter idiot, Alan Baker.
You didn't even _click_ on the link which I gave you.
That was a verbatim transcript of _exactly_ what Tim Cook said.

Want more?

In explaining the revenue shortfall, there has to be, by definition, a "surprise".
My well-educated opinion is that the surprise was the following one-two punch.

Punch 1:
o Apple released an _entire line_ (every single iPhone!) of expensive flawed phones
o Then Apple secretly (& overtly) screwed all those owners of that entire line of iPhones!

Punch 2:
o Next...Apple releases an entire new line of (perhaps & likely) flawed iPhones!
o Where the price of this new line of (likely flawed) phones, is utterly astronomical

Alan Baker - before you refute factgs, I expect you to listen to what Tim Cook actually said:
<https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=98>
"The story on iPhone is in addition to the emerging market weakness which is
primarily in China, there's not as many subsidies as their used to be from a carrier
point of view *where that didn't all happen yesterday*, if you've been out of the
market for two or three years, it looks like that to you."

WTF?
Where's the freaking "surprise"?

Tim Cook continues...
"FX was a big challenge in the quarter. As interest rates hikes have started in
the United States, there's more foreign capital coming in. That makes the dollar
much stronger. *We knew that was going to be a factor.* It affected us by about
200 basis points."

WTF?
o *Where that didn't all happen yesterday*
o *We knew that was going to be a factor*

Where's the freaking surprise, Tim Cook?

Then, Tim Cook _begins_ to scrape the surface of the "surprise"...
"In addition to those two things, we started a program world wide where we
dramatically lowered the battery replacement price."

Duh!
*Why not mention that you fucked every single iPhone owner, Tim Cook?*
And, that you _secretly_ tried to fuck them too!
And that two of the three _new_ phones have the _same size_ batteries?

Which iPhone owner, Tim Cook?
HINT: Every single one who bought the _entire line_ of iPhones!

Yeah. _That_ iPhone owner. Your loyal customer.
The one who paid $1000 for an iPhone X where you now give him the choice of
o Unacceptable performance, or
o Unacceptable stability.
(Pick one!)

Hey Tim Cook?
*Those loyal customers paid $1000 for that flawed iPhone X!*
And now, they're spooked.

Fancy that.
Same with the iPhone 8 owners.

They _all_ get the unnatural choice of...
o Either atrocious performance, or,
o Atrocious stability.
(Pick one.)

No wonder the sheep are spooked, Tim Cook.
Rightly so, IMHO.

You blame the price of the $30 battery for Christs' sake!
(Yeah, so it was $80 before you lowered the price. So freaking what, Tim Cook.)

How about admitting in the interview what you've already admitted to Congress?
The _entire_ line of phones (yes, every single model) Apple already said is flawed!

Going forward, Tim Cook said...
"We had sort of a collection of items going on. Some that are macro economics,
and some that are Apple specific."

Yeah, Tim Cook.
How about _this_ for the explanation of the "surprise"?
o You screwed every single loyal buyer (yes, iPhone 8 & iPhone X included).
o Then, you raised the price astronomically, for your _next_ line of phones.

That's not gonna work, Tim Cook.
Even I can see that - and I only have a minor in Economics for Christs' sake.

IMHO, the simple reason for the Apple surprise, was simply this 1-2 punch:
o Apple screwed EVERY iPhone owner with an entire line of expensive flawed phones
o Apple followed up with an even more expensive line of (perhaps flawed) phones

Surprise. Surprise.
"The sheep slowed down their grazing at 1 Infinite Loop".

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#120347

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-09 16:32 -0800
Message-ID	<q163r3$1ifg$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120345

On 2019-01-09 4:13 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 16:01:08 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> Quote it... ...accurately.
> 
> You're an utter idiot, Alan Baker.
> You didn't even _click_ on the link which I gave you.
> That was a verbatim transcript of _exactly_ what Tim Cook said.
> 

It's not my job to pick through an entire transcript looking for what 
you claim is there.

> Want more?

No. I want what I asked for before I'll go further.

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#120353

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-10 02:34 +0000
Message-ID	<q16b0e$h4u$2@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120347

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 16:32:38 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> It's not my job to pick through an entire transcript looking for what 
> you claim is there.

I don't have to prove you Apologists are incredibly stupid, Alan Baker.
You prove it yourself every single time you post!

It's actually shocking how fantastically INCOMPETENT you are, Alan Baker.

You can't even click on a video when I give you the exact time point.
And, I give you the EXACT WORDS.

That's too much for you, Alan Baker.

And yet, that isn't all.
You STILL say that the transcript is wrong.

Without even *listening* to a single 60 sections of it.
o Why do the Apple Apologists deny facts 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/eRTC23FyVDY>

That shows two things very common with you Apple Apologists:
o Apple Apologists have this propensity to not comprehend facts.
o Worse, Apple Apologists _deny_ facts, out of hand, without even looking!

I don't have to prove you Apologists are incredibly stupid, Alan Baker.
You prove it yourself.

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#120357

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-09 19:01 -0800
Message-ID	<q16chn$mhp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120353

On 2019-01-09 6:34 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 16:32:38 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> It's not my job to pick through an entire transcript looking for what
>> you claim is there.
> 
> I don't have to prove you Apologists are incredibly stupid, Alan Baker.
> You prove it yourself every single time you post!

And yet you cannot produce the text that would support your claim...

...the one you've now snipped.

> 
> It's actually shocking how fantastically INCOMPETENT you are, Alan Baker.
> 
> You can't even click on a video when I give you the exact time point.
> And, I give you the EXACT WORDS.

Nope.

> 
> That's too much for you, Alan Baker.
> 
> And yet, that isn't all.
> You STILL say that the transcript is wrong.

I say that you have not presented a quote from the transcript that 
supports your claim.

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#120359

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-10 03:24 +0000
Message-ID	<q16du3$l6h$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120357

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 19:01:14 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> And yet you cannot produce the text that would support your claim...

Moving forward, Alan Baker, notice the bullshit that Tim Cook spewed
at time point 335 seconds, which only you religiously occluded Apologists 
can possibly believe... <https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=335>
 
Exact quote from Tim Cook:
  "We have started a trade-in program. We started it primarily 
   because it's great for the environment"

Oh come on Tim Cook.
You did not do it "for the environment". 
That's preposterous (see previous cites on the increasing iPhone carbon 
footprint).

Tim Cook actually explains the _real_ reason, only a few sentences later:

Exact quote from Tim Cook:
  "The truth is to the consumer the trade-in looks like a subsidy. 
   Because it _lowers_ the price"

What is it Tim Cook. Is it the environment (ahem), or "the price"?

Let's repeat that last phrase:
o *Because it lowers the price*

Let's repeat it again:
o *Because it lowers the price*

Duh.   
It's the price, stupid. 

Only a fool like you, Alan Baker (and the other canonical Apple 
Apologists), habitually fail to comprehend the true meaning of such things.

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#120362

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-09 19:35 -0800
Message-ID	<q16ehl$v7s$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120359

On 2019-01-09 7:24 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 19:01:14 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> And yet you cannot produce the text that would support your claim...
> 
> Moving forward, Alan Baker, notice the bullshit that Tim Cook spewed
> at time point 335 seconds, which only you religiously occluded Apologists
> can possibly believe... <https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=335>

No. Let's not move forward. Let's stay right where we are until you 
actually support your claim:

"Tim Cook later said, at time point 411 seconds, that the customer is,
literally, too stupid to do something themselves which is as simple as
transferring their data from their old phone to their new phone."

So here and now:

Quote what Tim Cook actually said in that video...

<https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=315>

...where he said...

"literally"

...his customers are "too stupid".

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#120363

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-10 03:46 +0000
Message-ID	<q16f63$mpg$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120362

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 19:35:19 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> ...his customers are "too stupid".

Hi Alan Baker,
If you are one of "his loyal customers", doesn't that alone provide an answer?

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#120364

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-09 19:47 -0800
Message-ID	<q16f97$12hv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120363

On 2019-01-09 7:46 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 19:35:19 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> ...his customers are "too stupid".
> 
> Hi Alan Baker,
> If you are one of "his loyal customers", doesn't that alone provide an answer?
> 

What your posts proves is that you're afraid to address what I asked:

Let's stay right where we are until you actually support your claim:

"Tim Cook later said, at time point 411 seconds, that the customer is,
literally, too stupid to do something themselves which is as simple as
transferring their data from their old phone to their new phone."

So here and now:

Quote what Tim Cook actually said in that video...

<https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=315>

...where he said...

"literally"

...his customers are "too stupid".

Or, admit you lied...

...or you're just ignorant.

:-)

You'll admit that by snipping any of this post, BTW.

:-)

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#120367

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-10 04:05 +0000
Message-ID	<q16gb4$o6f$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120364

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 19:47:54 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> Let's stay right where we are until you actually support your claim:

You remind me of Snit, Alan Baker.
Are you sure you're not Snit?

He posted, over 400 times, links to this idiotic video making the same type
of repeated idiotic claims that you're doing, now, Alan Baker.
 <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> 

And yet... even after repeating himself (we counted) over 400 times... 
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0/qSXecrnZAQAJ>

Never once did Snit realize (nor even look) at what the Y-axis indicated.
You're the same as Snit, Alan Baker.

Exactly the same.
o  It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0/rX-L9xbYAQAJ>

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#120369

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-01-09 23:09 -0500
Message-ID	<090120192309192479%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#120367

In article <q16gb4$o6f$1@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
<arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> o  It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time 

no, it's not a fact. they absolutely can, as has been explained to you
many, many times.

it's also not functionality that's in very high demand, especially with
modern wifi access points. 

however, it can  be done for those who choose to do so.

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#120372

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-10 04:19 +0000
Message-ID	<q16h53$p5s$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120369

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 23:09:19 -0500, nospam wrote:

> no, it's not a fact. they absolutely can, as has been explained to you
> many, many times.

Hehhehheh...     Hi nospam,

Yet again, facts have no place to fit in your (religious) belief system.
And, like any child, you have no unique response to facts you don't like. 

*Your entire response repertoire is limited to the following 7 traits:*
 o What are the well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/veU8FwAjBQAJ>

To wit, see the number one trait below, from this post:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/VObNMvHqDAAJ>
=========================================================================== 
Common traits of the Apple Apologists:
. *They brazenly & repeatedly fabricate wholly imaginary app functionality*
. *They then exclaim that it's been told to us many times how to do it*
... 
. They almost never back up statements with actual referenced facts 
. They incessantly play childish semantic games when faced with those facts 
... 
. They consistently fabricate quoted content that never happened 
. They then wittily respond to that imaginary quoted content as if it did! 
... 
. They're never purposefully helpful by helping the OP answer the question 
. They post worthless retorts, all of which lack any added technical value 
... 
. They consistently blame Android for most of Apple's app & hardware faults 
. They consistently find the absolute worst price:performance comparisons 
... 
. They actually believe that a well-documented process is too complex! 
. They literally believe elapsed time is proof of actual resolution time. 
... 
. They deny facts a priori - without even reading the referenced facts! 
. And then they complain about quote snipping of their silly semantic games 
===========================================================================

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#120370

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-09 20:11 -0800
Message-ID	<q16gkn$17v8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120367

On 2019-01-09 8:05 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 19:47:54 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> Let's stay right where we are until you actually support your claim:
> 
> You remind me...

Let's stay right where we are until you actually support your claim:

"Tim Cook later said, at time point 411 seconds, that the customer is,
literally, too stupid to do something themselves which is as simple as
transferring their data from their old phone to their new phone."

So here and now:

Quote what Tim Cook actually said in that video...

<https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=315>

...where he said...

"literally"

...his customers are "too stupid".

Or, admit you lied...

...or you're just ignorant.

That's what you snipped and failed to address.

So you've admitted your ignorance or mendacity.

Now run along and learn what "mendacity" means before I let you decide 
which you're guilty of.

:-)

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#120373

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-10 04:24 +0000
Message-ID	<q16he6$pgs$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120370

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 20:11:03 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> Let's stay right where we are until you actually support your claim:

Hi Alan Baker,

Like all the dozen canonical Apple Apologists...
o Who are the Apple Apologists on this ng?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/mehGxIGcoa8/MoxCZ8XcAwAJ>

*Your entire response repertoire is limited to the following 7 traits:*
 o What are the well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/veU8FwAjBQAJ>

To wit, see the number seven trait below, from this post:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/VObNMvHqDAAJ>
=========================================================================== 
7 Common Habits of the Apple Apologists:

. They brazenly & repeatedly fabricate wholly imaginary app functionality
. They then exclaim that it's been told to us many times how to do it
... 
. They almost never back up statements with actual referenced facts 
. They incessantly play childish semantic games when faced with those facts 
... 
. They consistently fabricate quoted content that never happened 
. They then wittily respond to that imaginary quoted content as if it did! 
... 
. They're never purposefully helpful by helping the OP answer the question 
. They post worthless retorts, all of which lack any added technical value 
... 
. They consistently blame Android for most of Apple's app & hardware faults 
. They consistently find the absolute worst price:performance comparisons 
... 
. They actually believe that a well-documented process is too complex! 
. They literally believe elapsed time is proof of actual resolution time. 
... 
. *They deny facts a priori - without even reading the referenced facts*
. *Then they complain about quote snipping of their silly semantic games*
===========================================================================

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#120375

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-09 20:43 -0800
Message-ID	<q16ihr$1g8l$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120373

On 2019-01-09 8:24 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 20:11:03 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> Let's stay right where we are until you actually support your claim:
> 
> Hi Alan Baker,
> 
> Like all the dozen...

Yada, yada, yada.

Let's stay right where we are until you actually support your claim:

"Tim Cook later said, at time point 411 seconds, that the customer is,
literally, too stupid to do something themselves which is as simple as
transferring their data from their old phone to their new phone."

So here and now:

Quote what Tim Cook actually said in that video...

<https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=315>

...where he said...

"literally"

...his customers are "too stupid".

Or, admit you lied...

...or you're just ignorant.

That's what you snipped and failed to address.

So you've admitted your ignorance or mendacity.

Now run along and learn what "mendacity" means before I let you decide 
which you're guilty of.

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#120377

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2019-01-10 04:53 +0000
Message-ID	<g9o1emFok9aU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120375

On 2019-01-10, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
> On 2019-01-09 8:24 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 20:11:03 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>> 
>>> Let's stay right where we are until you actually support your claim:
>> 
>> Hi Alan Baker,
>> 
>> Like all the dozen...
>
> Yada, yada, yada.

That's all you're ever going to get out of him. He's a pathetic loser
whose word means nothing.

> Let's stay right where we are until you actually support your claim:
>
> "Tim Cook later said, at time point 411 seconds, that the customer is,
> literally, too stupid to do something themselves which is as simple as
> transferring their data from their old phone to their new phone."
>
> So here and now:
>
> Quote what Tim Cook actually said in that video...
>
><https://youtu.be/qvR3PEPqX9A?t=315>
>
> ...where he said...
>
> "literally"
>
> ...his customers are "too stupid".
>
> Or, admit you lied...
>
> ...or you're just ignorant.
>
>
> That's what you snipped and failed to address.
>
> So you've admitted your ignorance or mendacity.
>
> Now run along and learn what "mendacity" means before I let you decide 
> which you're guilty of.

: D

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#120378

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-10 05:06 +0000
Message-ID	<q16js0$sg7$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120377

On 10 Jan 2019 04:53:42 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> That's all you're ever going to get out of him. He's a pathetic loser
> whose word means nothing.

 Hi Jolly Roger, 

*I _love_ when you post, Jolly Roger.*
I really do.

That's because you are the epitome of the average iOS user, Jolly Roger.

Remember when, for example you *congratulated* Snit, on finding, you
thought, the one app on the planet (you thought) that actually could graph
WiFi signal strength on iOS over time for all available access points?

Remember that, Jolly Roger?
You don't?     Well I do.

You proved, yet again, "words mean absolutely nothing" to you.
HINT: *You didn't even know the difference between a decibel & a megabit!*

Yup.
You proved it yourself.

*Words mean absolutely nothing to you, Jolly Roger.*

In fact, to you, a decibel & a megabit are exactly the same thing.

Hence...
You give us all a perfect insight into the mind of the average iOS user.

To you, "words mean nothing", which is to say "facts mean nothing" to you.
HINT: You _still_ think a decibel is the same as a megabit.

You proved, time & again, you're _that_ unfathomably stupid, Jolly Roger.
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0/rX-L9xbYAQAJ>

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