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  Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-07 16:55 -0500
    Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-07 23:08 +0000
      Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-07 18:28 -0500
    Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2019-01-08 12:17 +1300
      Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-07 18:30 -0500
        Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2019-01-08 14:31 +1300
          Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-08 01:40 +0000
            Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-08 04:51 +0000
          Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-08 08:24 -0500
        Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-08 01:39 +0000
        Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-01-08 11:07 -0500
          Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-08 20:08 -0500
    Re: Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-08 01:38 +0000

#120270 — Mojave annoyance - Finder expansion triangles missing (solution)

Once Mojave is up and going one thing I found annoying was the black 
triangles to expand a sub folder were missing in Finder.

To restore
	View | Show View Options
		Group By [None]

and "Use as defaults" of course...

I don't recall an major version update ever doing that before.

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"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#120279

In message <6eednYhUzMlRV67BnZ2dnUU7-XHNnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> Once Mojave is up and going one thing I found annoying was the black 
> triangles to expand a sub folder were missing in Finder.

> To restore
> 	View | Show View Options
> 		Group By [None]

> and "Use as defaults" of course...

> I don't recall an major version update ever doing that before.

I don't recall Mojave doing it either, and I just updated a machine to
Mojave.


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his hands. 'It's called a shovel', said the Senior Wrangler. 'I've seen
the gardeners use them. You stick the sharp end in the ground. Then it
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#120283

On 2019-01-07 18:08, Lewis wrote:
> In message <6eednYhUzMlRV67BnZ2dnUU7-XHNnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> 
>> Once Mojave is up and going one thing I found annoying was the black
>> triangles to expand a sub folder were missing in Finder.
> 
>> To restore
>> 	View | Show View Options
>> 		Group By [None]
> 
>> and "Use as defaults" of course...
> 
>> I don't recall an major version update ever doing that before.
> 
> I don't recall Mojave doing it either, and I just updated a machine to
> Mojave.

Per searches other people hit the same thing.  Hmm, let me check ...

... yep my SO's MBA has the triangles as before.  I'll check my work 
Macs tomorrow ... can't seem to screen-share to my office MBA.




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"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#120281

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> Once Mojave is up and going one thing I found annoying was the black 
> triangles to expand a sub folder were missing in Finder.
> 
> To restore
>       View | Show View Options
>               Group By [None]
> 
> and "Use as defaults" of course...
> 
> I don't recall an major version update ever doing that before.

Then you didn't bump into it.

I saw the same thing on a Mac running High Sierra and found a similar
solution. In that case it was "Arrange by Name" (not the same thing as
sorting by the name column in list view) or other categories, which
caused the loss of the reveal triangles. "Arrange by None" fixed it.

Testing now, the same issue exists as far back as Mac OS X 10.7 Lion,
but not 10.6.8 Snow Leopard, where "Arrange by" corresponds to the
selected sort column in List view, and there is no "None".

Mojave has replaced "Arrange by" with a "Use Groups" option.

If "Use Groups" is enabled there is a "Group By" submenu which works
like the Lion through High Sierra "Arrange By", including a "None"
option.

If "Use Groups" is not enabled, there is a "Sort By" submenu which
matches the selected column in list view, like Snow Leopard.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#120284

On 2019-01-07 18:17, David Empson wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> 
>> Once Mojave is up and going one thing I found annoying was the black
>> triangles to expand a sub folder were missing in Finder.
>>
>> To restore
>>        View | Show View Options
>>                Group By [None]
>>
>> and "Use as defaults" of course...
>>
>> I don't recall an major version update ever doing that before.
> 
> Then you didn't bump into it.
> 
> I saw the same thing on a Mac running High Sierra and found a similar
> solution. In that case it was "Arrange by Name" (not the same thing as
> sorting by the name column in list view) or other categories, which
> caused the loss of the reveal triangles. "Arrange by None" fixed it.
> 
> Testing now, the same issue exists as far back as Mac OS X 10.7 Lion,
> but not 10.6.8 Snow Leopard, where "Arrange by" corresponds to the
> selected sort column in List view, and there is no "None".
> 
> Mojave has replaced "Arrange by" with a "Use Groups" option.
> 
> If "Use Groups" is enabled there is a "Group By" submenu which works
> like the Lion through High Sierra "Arrange By", including a "None"
> option.
> 
> If "Use Groups" is not enabled, there is a "Sort By" submenu which
> matches the selected column in list view, like Snow Leopard.

I can barely keep up with one OS version.  Keeping all that gobbledy in 
order back to SL is insane.  You are committed.   ...


-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#120287

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> On 2019-01-07 18:17, David Empson wrote:
> > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Once Mojave is up and going one thing I found annoying was the black
> >> triangles to expand a sub folder were missing in Finder.
> >>
> >> To restore
> >>        View | Show View Options
> >>                Group By [None]
> >>
> >> and "Use as defaults" of course...
> >>
> >> I don't recall an major version update ever doing that before.
> > 
> > Then you didn't bump into it.
> > 
> > I saw the same thing on a Mac running High Sierra and found a similar
> > solution. In that case it was "Arrange by Name" (not the same thing as
> > sorting by the name column in list view) or other categories, which
> > caused the loss of the reveal triangles. "Arrange by None" fixed it.
> > 
> > Testing now, the same issue exists as far back as Mac OS X 10.7 Lion,
> > but not 10.6.8 Snow Leopard, where "Arrange by" corresponds to the
> > selected sort column in List view, and there is no "None".
> > 
> > Mojave has replaced "Arrange by" with a "Use Groups" option.
> > 
> > If "Use Groups" is enabled there is a "Group By" submenu which works
> > like the Lion through High Sierra "Arrange By", including a "None"
> > option.
> > 
> > If "Use Groups" is not enabled, there is a "Sort By" submenu which
> > matches the selected column in list view, like Snow Leopard.
> 
> I can barely keep up with one OS version.  Keeping all that gobbledy in
> order back to SL is insane.  You are committed.   ...

I have VMs on my MBPro with all older macOS versions back to Leopard,
making it easy and reasonably quick to look up this sort of detail. I'm
intending to offload many of them soon to free up space, but will still
have them handy if needed.

I still find them useful because I'm often remotely helping people
running older macOS versions, and it helps trying to decribe something
if I have the same version available for reference. Saves me having to
remember way too many small details, but I do remember major changes for
each version.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#120290

On 2019-01-08, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>> I can barely keep up with one OS version.  Keeping all that gobbledy in
>> order back to SL is insane.  You are committed.   ...
>
> I have VMs on my MBPro with all older macOS versions back to Leopard,
> making it easy and reasonably quick to look up this sort of detail. I'm
> intending to offload many of them soon to free up space, but will still
> have them handy if needed.

I'm way too busy (lazy) to set them up myself. I want copies! : )

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#120296

In message <g9idd2Fheb9U5@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2019-01-08, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can barely keep up with one OS version.  Keeping all that gobbledy in
>>> order back to SL is insane.  You are committed.   ...
>>
>> I have VMs on my MBPro with all older macOS versions back to Leopard,
>> making it easy and reasonably quick to look up this sort of detail. I'm
>> intending to offload many of them soon to free up space, but will still
>> have them handy if needed.

> I'm way too busy (lazy) to set them up myself. I want copies! : )

+1

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Oh, you know German. Now I know why you don't like fun things.

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#120299

On 2019-01-07 20:31, David Empson wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2019-01-07 18:17, David Empson wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Once Mojave is up and going one thing I found annoying was the black
>>>> triangles to expand a sub folder were missing in Finder.
>>>>
>>>> To restore
>>>>         View | Show View Options
>>>>                 Group By [None]
>>>>
>>>> and "Use as defaults" of course...
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall an major version update ever doing that before.
>>>
>>> Then you didn't bump into it.
>>>
>>> I saw the same thing on a Mac running High Sierra and found a similar
>>> solution. In that case it was "Arrange by Name" (not the same thing as
>>> sorting by the name column in list view) or other categories, which
>>> caused the loss of the reveal triangles. "Arrange by None" fixed it.
>>>
>>> Testing now, the same issue exists as far back as Mac OS X 10.7 Lion,
>>> but not 10.6.8 Snow Leopard, where "Arrange by" corresponds to the
>>> selected sort column in List view, and there is no "None".
>>>
>>> Mojave has replaced "Arrange by" with a "Use Groups" option.
>>>
>>> If "Use Groups" is enabled there is a "Group By" submenu which works
>>> like the Lion through High Sierra "Arrange By", including a "None"
>>> option.
>>>
>>> If "Use Groups" is not enabled, there is a "Sort By" submenu which
>>> matches the selected column in list view, like Snow Leopard.
>>
>> I can barely keep up with one OS version.  Keeping all that gobbledy in
>> order back to SL is insane.  You are committed.   ...
> 
> I have VMs on my MBPro with all older macOS versions back to Leopard,
> making it easy and reasonably quick to look up this sort of detail. I'm
> intending to offload many of them soon to free up space, but will still
> have them handy if needed.
> 
> I still find them useful because I'm often remotely helping people
> running older macOS versions, and it helps trying to decribe something
> if I have the same version available for reference. Saves me having to
> remember way too many small details, but I do remember major changes for
> each version.

Well, we all thank you for it.


-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#120289

On 2019-01-07, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2019-01-07 18:17, David Empson wrote:
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Once Mojave is up and going one thing I found annoying was the black
>>> triangles to expand a sub folder were missing in Finder.
>>>
>>> To restore
>>>        View | Show View Options
>>>                Group By [None]
>>>
>>> and "Use as defaults" of course...
>>>
>>> I don't recall an major version update ever doing that before.
>> 
>> Then you didn't bump into it.
>> 
>> I saw the same thing on a Mac running High Sierra and found a similar
>> solution. In that case it was "Arrange by Name" (not the same thing as
>> sorting by the name column in list view) or other categories, which
>> caused the loss of the reveal triangles. "Arrange by None" fixed it.
>> 
>> Testing now, the same issue exists as far back as Mac OS X 10.7 Lion,
>> but not 10.6.8 Snow Leopard, where "Arrange by" corresponds to the
>> selected sort column in List view, and there is no "None".
>> 
>> Mojave has replaced "Arrange by" with a "Use Groups" option.
>> 
>> If "Use Groups" is enabled there is a "Group By" submenu which works
>> like the Lion through High Sierra "Arrange By", including a "None"
>> option.
>> 
>> If "Use Groups" is not enabled, there is a "Sort By" submenu which
>> matches the selected column in list view, like Snow Leopard.
>
> I can barely keep up with one OS version.  Keeping all that gobbledy in 
> order back to SL is insane.  You are committed.   ...

: D You ain't alone.

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#120303

In article <pJidnRq1ieeBfK7BnZ2dnUU7-L-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> I can barely keep up with one OS version.  Keeping all that gobbledy in 
> order back to SL is insane.  You are committed.   

"are" or "should be"? :)

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#120318

On 2019-01-08 11:07, Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article <pJidnRq1ieeBfK7BnZ2dnUU7-L-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> 
>> I can barely keep up with one OS version.  Keeping all that gobbledy in
>> order back to SL is insane.  You are committed.
> 
> "are" or "should be"? :)

I was waiting ... you win the cement bicycle.

-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#120288

On 2019-01-07, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
> Once Mojave is up and going one thing I found annoying was the black 
> triangles to expand a sub folder were missing in Finder.
>
> To restore
> 	View | Show View Options
> 		Group By [None]
>
> and "Use as defaults" of course...
>
> I don't recall an major version update ever doing that before.

Mine weren't missing. 

Sounds like the .DS_Store view settings for that directory were hosed
somehow.

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