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| Started by | Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> |
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| First post | 2018-09-09 00:32 +0200 |
| Last post | 2018-09-09 23:54 +0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 287 — 26 participants |
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No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-09-09 00:32 +0200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-09 17:19 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-09-09 11:26 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2018-11-06 09:14 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-06 23:23 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-09 18:17 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-09 11:50 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 15:26 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 13:34 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 16:39 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 17:34 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 16:56 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 13:34 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 18:39 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 16:35 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-11 06:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 08:41 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:42 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-09-11 16:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:55 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 06:21 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 08:46 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:47 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 13:47 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-12 06:51 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2018-11-06 09:21 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2018-11-06 10:48 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-06 11:59 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 20:39 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-09-10 23:20 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 16:30 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-11 14:59 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-11 17:08 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 00:28 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-11 20:46 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 18:17 +1200
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-12 19:34 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-13 13:59 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-13 16:57 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-13 22:39 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-09-14 20:13 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-15 11:54 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-09-15 08:41 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-15 16:04 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-15 15:55 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2018-11-06 09:24 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-06 15:53 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 12:29 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-06 12:34 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 12:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-06 12:55 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 13:35 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-06 11:17 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 17:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-06 15:05 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 20:00 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-06 17:29 -0800
OT: About OS/2 (Was:Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 09:16 -0500
Re: OT: About OS/2 (Was:Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server) SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 09:58 -0500
Re: OT: About OS/2 Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-09 19:07 +0000
Re: OT: About OS/2 Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:25 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nobody <nobodysaysitalldoesntit@nobo.org> - 2018-11-06 18:14 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 20:01 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 19:06 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 14:13 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-07 18:58 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 18:04 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-07 17:13 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 14:58 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:19 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:25 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 09:25 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 09:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 10:44 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 11:13 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-07 08:43 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 11:46 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 11:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 12:05 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 12:36 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 13:11 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 12:41 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 14:23 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:20 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 10:13 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 07:45 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 14:12 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 14:22 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 13:22 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 19:00 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:10 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 22:16 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:18 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:09 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 10:06 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 15:00 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 12:37 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:08 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 16:19 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:31 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-09 11:56 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 15:51 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 17:11 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 19:25 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:12 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 17:46 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 08:58 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:03 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 22:13 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:22 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:06 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 22:19 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:29 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 08:38 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-10 09:53 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:13 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 14:19 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-07 13:51 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 07:47 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 09:15 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 11:57 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 11:09 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 13:23 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 12:14 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 10:10 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 08:48 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:33 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 11:56 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 13:23 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:07 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 22:06 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:11 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 22:19 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:32 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 09:54 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-09 11:48 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 11:45 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 21:35 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 12:01 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 21:33 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:13 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 22:19 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:23 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 22:29 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:46 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 23:27 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 16:50 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 00:19 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:29 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-10 09:40 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:17 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-09 17:59 -0500
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Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 21:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:14 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:17 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:27 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:26 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:22 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 18:56 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 12:09 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 16:08 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 16:38 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 17:26 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 18:01 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 11:30 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 18:53 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 12:54 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 21:03 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 14:52 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 22:26 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 15:39 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-11 19:26 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:43 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 20:45 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 20:43 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-12 09:03 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 12:08 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-12 13:40 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 18:33 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-13 08:53 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-12 16:35 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-12 14:22 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-12 22:00 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-13 08:51 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 23:49 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-13 19:51 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 13:22 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 09:27 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:35 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-15 12:09 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:17 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-15 12:49 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 18:01 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:23 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 18:36 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 19:01 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 14:32 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 19:47 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 15:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 21:09 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 20:02 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-15 13:49 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-10 09:48 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:16 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:20 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 18:57 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-11 09:06 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 17:11 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 17:26 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:27 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:57 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:21 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 14:57 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-11-08 15:05 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-11-08 15:35 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:09 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-09 14:35 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 14:50 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 14:23 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:02 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 19:04 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:39 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:50 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2018-11-09 13:19 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 17:11 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 17:11 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 19:38 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 20:08 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 21:33 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 22:22 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-10 10:02 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 13:55 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 19:47 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 20:08 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 21:45 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 22:22 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-09 14:53 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 10:20 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 09:29 -0600
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 15:13 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 20:56 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 20:57 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:05 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 12:35 -0800
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 18:56 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:11 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 12:41 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 13:11 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-07 11:47 -0700
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 12:31 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 13:11 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 14:31 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:11 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 17:55 -0500
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 16:11 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-09-12 14:10 -0400
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 18:35 +0000
Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 23:54 +0800
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 14:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ps4ahf.ams.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #119317 |
Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > On 2018-11-08 16:30, nospam wrote: > > In article <Zr0FD.269211$MJ2.237366@fx11.iad>, Wolf K > > <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: [...] > >> A year or three from now, people will be whinging about how tablets > >> aren't real computers, > > > > they have been doing that since tablets first appeared, mostly from > > people who don't know what a tablet can actually do. > > True, but just watch what happens when laptops become a niche. They're > well on the way. Not here (The Netherlands) they aren't. What we do see is a trend to have more and more small - 11 - 14" - laptops with SSDs (etc.) (in addition to the bigger (15.6/17") ones). I don't think laptops will become a niche any time soon, because many people want/need a real keyboard, touchpad and (USB etc.) connectivity, which (non-Windows) tablets don't have. [...] > >>>> Some tablets are being offered with 4G, ie, you can use them as a > >>>> phone if you want. Some people want. > >>> > >>> 4g on tablets is for data, not voice, so that one can be connected when > >>> wifi is not available, and since it's data-only, the fees are less. > >> > >> A recent flyer from our local pusher highlighted the phone feature. > > > > that means nothing. > > Oh yes it does. It indicates that the marketers have decided that it's a > feature that quite a lot of people either already want, or will want as > soon as they realise they can have it. If marketing sees a possible > increase in margin, that's significant. Of course, it may turn out > they've over-interpreted their data, but it's too soon to tell. [...] > >> So a tablet with phone is an obvious next step I think. > > > > it isn't. > > > > who wants to carry a tablet-sized phone everywhere?? > > You have a point, but then, who wants to carry two devices if one will > do the job? People will buy all kinds of stuff because they think it's > practical. Practical is a variety of cool, and cool is powerful. Indeed. People might want a large screen for several reasons, but not carry two devices. Also note that many people carry their phone in their hand. Carrying a tablet in your hand isn't much harder than carrying a phone. That said, I just carry my all-in-one and be done with it! :-) [...]
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 10:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <091120181020423945%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119353 |
In article <ps4ahf.ams.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > > >> So a tablet with phone is an obvious next step I think. > > > > > > it isn't. > > > > > > who wants to carry a tablet-sized phone everywhere?? > > > > You have a point, but then, who wants to carry two devices if one will > > do the job? People will buy all kinds of stuff because they think it's > > practical. Practical is a variety of cool, and cool is powerful. > > Indeed. People might want a large screen for several reasons, but not > carry two devices. > > Also note that many people carry their phone in their hand. Carrying a > tablet in your hand isn't much harder than carrying a phone. unless it's an unusually small tablet, it definitely is: <https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*-_YQf3jv_lpGhJ8R.> a tablet also won't fit in a pocket unless it's an unusually large pocket, and then you end up with something like this: <http://ipadinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/iPadinPantsPockets.jp g>
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 09:29 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <4l9budhlucgaa4jc2uli7008phftl0ofhu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #119353 |
Frank Slootweg wrote: >>True, but just watch what happens when laptops become a niche. They're >> well on the way. > > Not here (The Netherlands) they aren't. What we do see is a trend to >have more and more small - 11 - 14" - laptops with SSDs (etc.) (in >addition to the bigger (15.6/17") ones). > > I don't think laptops will become a niche any time soon, because many >people want/need a real keyboard, touchpad and (USB etc.) connectivity, >which (non-Windows) tablets don't have. Exactly. Laptops are always going to be a big part of the market. For many purposes, they are simply better, mechanically, than a simple tablet. I think that desktops will still be a good chunk of the market, for years to come. We had "the desktop is dead" doomsayers, in here, 10 years ago. -- 'Wow... what a "innovation" from the linux copy-cats. Too bad that the Apple iPhone had this feature a couple of years ago. Once again linux is another "Johnny come lately" attempt to make a half-assed copy of a great product.' - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel"
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 15:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <HTlFD.798040$3L2.660664@fx44.iad> |
| In reply to | #119356 |
On 2018-11-09 10:29, chrisv wrote: > Frank Slootweg wrote: > >>> True, but just watch what happens when laptops become a niche. They're >>> well on the way. >> >> Not here (The Netherlands) they aren't. What we do see is a trend to >> have more and more small - 11 - 14" - laptops with SSDs (etc.) (in >> addition to the bigger (15.6/17") ones). >> >> I don't think laptops will become a niche any time soon, because many >> people want/need a real keyboard, touchpad and (USB etc.) connectivity, >> which (non-Windows) tablets don't have. > > Exactly. Laptops are always going to be a big part of the market. > For many purposes, they are simply better, mechanically, than a simple > tablet. I'm seeing more and "convertible" laptops on offer. Two kinds: tablets clicked onto a detachable keyboard, and screens that can turned in some way to cover the keyboard. The latter is not IMO the better solution. Too early to tell if this trend will continue. > I think that desktops will still be a good chunk of the market, for > years to come. We had "the desktop is dead" doomsayers, in here, 10 > years ago. -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "Gentics is not genealogy." (Gragham Coop, Ph.D.)
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| From | SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 20:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <8P5FD.535608$Ac3.273754@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #119258 |
On 2018-11-08 9:33 a.m., Wolf K wrote: > On 2018-11-08 08:48, SilverSlimer wrote: > [...] >> >> I agree that on the tablet scene, Windows is a complete joke. > [...] > > Um have you browsed Staples, etc lately? Even low-end tablets are > selling well, at the one I visit most, there are more tablets than > laptops displayed. They do what most people want: surf the web, email, > photo, and video, plus connect to anything wi-fi or Bluetooth. Most > people do _not_ want to add all kinds of programs to their devices, or > tweak them with 3rd party hardware and software. Some tablets are being > offered with 4G, ie, you can use them as a phone if you want. Some > people want. > > And then there's the Surface. I have a Surface 2, it's a PC the size of > a sheet of paper, albeit somewhat thicker. ;-) It's our travel computer. > I'm trying to persuade myself I "need" a Surface 4, but so far my > Presbyterian hangover has stopped me form doing that. You know, > "self-discipline good, self-indulgence bad." All I said was that Windows tablets were a joke because they... are... a joke. I would know because I'm one of the fools who bought a fairly well-specced one and haven't touched it in a long time. -- SilverSlimer Minds: @silverslimer
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <081120181049060948%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119252 |
In article <W8XED.391569$oH2.194656@fx10.iad>, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote: > >> Ever since, Apple's competitors tried to catch up, and have succeeded in > >> doing so. > > > > it took a decade for microsoft to catch up with windows 95. > > > > currently, apple's competitors are again trying to catch up, microsoft > > in particular. windows phone was a complete failure and surface is > > trying to copy the ipad and not doing very well at it. > > I agree that on the tablet scene, Windows is a complete joke. However, > Windows Phone was quite good and I miss it terribly every day. it was, but it was too little, too late. it also didn't help that microsoft orphaned existing windows mobile users with windows phone 7, only to orphan them again with windows phone 8.
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| From | SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 20:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <wQ5FD.535682$Ac3.63457@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #119266 |
On 2018-11-08 9:49 a.m., nospam wrote: > In article <W8XED.391569$oH2.194656@fx10.iad>, SilverSlimer > <silver@slim.er> wrote: > >>>> Ever since, Apple's competitors tried to catch up, and have succeeded in >>>> doing so. >>> >>> it took a decade for microsoft to catch up with windows 95. >>> >>> currently, apple's competitors are again trying to catch up, microsoft >>> in particular. windows phone was a complete failure and surface is >>> trying to copy the ipad and not doing very well at it. >> >> I agree that on the tablet scene, Windows is a complete joke. However, >> Windows Phone was quite good and I miss it terribly every day. > > it was, but it was too little, too late. > > it also didn't help that microsoft orphaned existing windows mobile > users with windows phone 7, only to orphan them again with windows > phone 8. Had I not upgraded to Windows 10 Mobile, chances are that I wouldn't have had that in-call mic problem and would therefore have remained on the platform to this day. I really liked it a lot despite being starved for decent third-party apps and only begrudgingly returned to Android. -- SilverSlimer Minds: @silverslimer
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 09:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <BoXED.565148$8r2.182960@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #119242 |
On 2018-11-07 23:33, nospam wrote: [...] > there was dos documentation, but it wasn't available at the local > bookstore in a book published by microsoft. many third party authors > wrote about it, some better than others. [...] The MS docs were included with the box of 3.5" install floppies. The 3rd party books included undocumented features (many of which of course disappeared or were changed in subsequent versions of MS-DOS). However, other DOS's ran Windows quite nicely. IIRC, DR-DOS multi-tasked before MS-DOS did. If you wanted to run legacy DOS apps, DR-DOS etc were generally a better bet than MS-DOS. -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "Gentics is not genealogy." (Gragham Coop, Ph.D.)
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| From | Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 12:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ps26j7$11te$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #119224 |
On 2018-11-07 11:19 AM, Wolf K wrote: > On 2018-11-07 11:05, nospam wrote: >> In article <uKEED.198613$LL1.84557@fx23.iad>, Wolf K >> <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >>>> microsoft windows was mostly a copy of classic mac os, >>> >>> IOW, mac os was really DOS? There's something wrong with your memory of >>> those far off days. Or else your confusing the user interface with the >>> OS. mac OS >> >> i didn't say macos was dos. i said microsoft copied macos to create >> windows. > > Nah, they both copied Xerox. And it was the GUI they copied, not the OS. Some of the GUI in Mac OS was inspired by Xerox's GUI... ...but large swaths of what we take for granted were added by Apple.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <081120181630091749%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119299 |
In article <ps26j7$11te$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote: > >>>> microsoft windows was mostly a copy of classic mac os, > >>> > >>> IOW, mac os was really DOS? There's something wrong with your memory of > >>> those far off days. Or else your confusing the user interface with the > >>> OS. mac OS > >> > >> i didn't say macos was dos. i said microsoft copied macos to create > >> windows. > > > > Nah, they both copied Xerox. And it was the GUI they copied, not the OS. > > Some of the GUI in Mac OS was inspired by Xerox's GUI... > > ...but large swaths of what we take for granted were added by Apple. nearly all of it, actually. there was only a casual similarity between the xerox star and classic mac os.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 18:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g4k7qtFt0oiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #119307 |
On 11/8/18 2:30 PM, nospam wrote: > In article <ps26j7$11te$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> > wrote: > >>>>>> microsoft windows was mostly a copy of classic mac os, >>>>> >>>>> IOW, mac os was really DOS? There's something wrong with your memory of >>>>> those far off days. Or else your confusing the user interface with the >>>>> OS. mac OS >>>> >>>> i didn't say macos was dos. i said microsoft copied macos to create >>>> windows. >>> >>> Nah, they both copied Xerox. And it was the GUI they copied, not the OS. >> >> Some of the GUI in Mac OS was inspired by Xerox's GUI... >> >> ...but large swaths of what we take for granted were added by Apple. > > nearly all of it, actually. > > there was only a casual similarity between the xerox star and classic > mac os. > Here is the Star: <https://youtu.be/Cn4vC80Pv6Q> You can see where the Mac was inspired from it, but Apple made a LOT of changes. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <081120182152372672%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119319 |
In article <g4k7qtFt0oiU1@mid.individual.net>, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Nah, they both copied Xerox. And it was the GUI they copied, not the OS. > >> > >> Some of the GUI in Mac OS was inspired by Xerox's GUI... > >> > >> ...but large swaths of what we take for granted were added by Apple. > > > > nearly all of it, actually. > > > > there was only a casual similarity between the xerox star and classic > > mac os. > > > Here is the Star: > > <https://youtu.be/Cn4vC80Pv6Q> > > You can see where the Mac was inspired from it, but Apple made a LOT of > changes. yes i know. i used to use a xerox star and am *very* familiar with it. one of the more amusing bits was there was a xerox font, which had only 4 letters: e o r x. its sole reason for existence was so that one could type 'xerox' and have it match the logo.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 20:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g4kc7qFtqpiU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #119332 |
On 11/8/18 7:52 PM, nospam wrote: > In article <g4k7qtFt0oiU1@mid.individual.net>, Snit > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >>>>> >>>>> Nah, they both copied Xerox. And it was the GUI they copied, not the OS. >>>> >>>> Some of the GUI in Mac OS was inspired by Xerox's GUI... >>>> >>>> ...but large swaths of what we take for granted were added by Apple. >>> >>> nearly all of it, actually. >>> >>> there was only a casual similarity between the xerox star and classic >>> mac os. >>> >> Here is the Star: >> >> <https://youtu.be/Cn4vC80Pv6Q> >> >> You can see where the Mac was inspired from it, but Apple made a LOT of >> changes. > > yes i know. i used to use a xerox star and am *very* familiar with it. > > one of the more amusing bits was there was a xerox font, which had only > 4 letters: e o r x. its sole reason for existence was so that one could > type 'xerox' and have it match the logo. > Cute. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> |
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| Date | 2018-11-07 12:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <_sFED.470278$um3.4291@fx32.iad> |
| In reply to | #119212 |
On 2018-11-07 11:51 a.m., Wolf K wrote: > On 2018-11-07 10:13, nospam wrote: >> microsoft windows was mostly a copy of classic mac os, > > IOW, mac os was really DOS? There's something wrong with your memory of > those far off days. Or else your confusing the user interface with the > OS. mac OS He clearly meant the interface, but the reality is that Windows before 95 was not a copy of the Mac at all. Windows 1 and 2 went in a different direction and 3, with its Program Manager, would be unrecognizable to a Mac user. 95 was similar insofar as it used a Recycle Bin similar to the Mac's trash can. However, Microsoft used psychological evaluations to create the most innovative change to the GUI in the Start button, a feature that practically every other GUI copied, so it cannot be seen as a Mac close especially since the Mac didn't have that feature at all. Finding programs, on a Mac, was suddenly much harder than it was in Windows. < snip > -- SilverSlimer Proud recipient of special entitlements and fierce adversary of equal rights Minds: @silverslimer
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-07 13:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <071120181311573050%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119216 |
In article <_sFED.470278$um3.4291@fx32.iad>, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote: > >> microsoft windows was mostly a copy of classic mac os, > > > > IOW, mac os was really DOS? There's something wrong with your memory of > > those far off days. Or else your confusing the user interface with the > > OS. mac OS > > He clearly meant the interface, but the reality is that Windows before > 95 was not a copy of the Mac at all. it was very much a copy of the mac. bill gates even said as much. anyone who has used both can see the vast similarities. > Windows 1 and 2 went in a different > direction and 3, with its Program Manager, would be unrecognizable to a > Mac user. 95 was similar insofar as it used a Recycle Bin similar to the > Mac's trash can. However, Microsoft used psychological evaluations to > create the most innovative change to the GUI in the Start button, a > feature that practically every other GUI copied, so it cannot be seen as > a Mac close especially since the Mac didn't have that feature at all. > Finding programs, on a Mac, was suddenly much harder than it was in Windows. nonsense.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-07 11:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <g4gq96F5h9pU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #119216 |
On 11/7/18 10:41 AM, SilverSlimer wrote: > On 2018-11-07 11:51 a.m., Wolf K wrote: >> On 2018-11-07 10:13, nospam wrote: >>> microsoft windows was mostly a copy of classic mac os, >> >> IOW, mac os was really DOS? There's something wrong with your memory >> of those far off days. Or else your confusing the user interface with >> the OS. mac OS > > He clearly meant the interface, but the reality is that Windows before > 95 was not a copy of the Mac at all. Of course it was. The whole idea of what a window was changed for Windows 95 to become very much what it was on the Mac. > Windows 1 and 2 went in a different > direction and 3, with its Program Manager, would be unrecognizable to a > Mac user. 95 was similar insofar as it used a Recycle Bin similar to the > Mac's trash can. However, Microsoft used psychological evaluations to > create the most innovative change to the GUI in the Start button, a > feature that practically every other GUI copied, so it cannot be seen as > a Mac close especially since the Mac didn't have that feature at all. The Start button was not copied from the Mac, sure. > Finding programs, on a Mac, was suddenly much harder than it was in > Windows. At the time most people did not have many apps, but sure, there is truth to what you say. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> |
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| Date | 2018-11-07 12:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <_jFED.419862$uJ2.42350@fx27.iad> |
| In reply to | #119208 |
On 2018-11-07 10:13 a.m., nospam wrote: > In article <yLDED.344840$vJ1.54108@fx05.iad>, SilverSlimer > <silver@slim.er> wrote: > >>>>>> Looking back, the PS/2, as sturdy as it was, could not have dominated a >>>>>> space in which computers like the Amiga and the Atari ST could do more >>>>>> for a lot less money. >>>>> >>>>> no they couldn't. those were toys. >>>> >>>> The Amiga was another machine ahead of its time. >>> >>> no it wasn't. the amiga was in every way a toy. it had less software >>> support than the mac did and what it did have was not professional >>> quality, almost no stores sold it because it wasn't compelling and it >>> crashed if you looked at it wrong. >> >> A whole bunch of lies and it's trivial to verify nowadays. > > nothing about it is a lie. I've done enough research about the Amiga to know that your statement was complete garbage. >> The Amiga was first released as a production tool despite the fact that >> it was first envisioned and became somewhat of a console. Look at the >> Amiga 1000 and you'll know that it looked like and was very much a >> production computer. That the Amiga 500 was eventually released and >> marketed in the same fashion as the Commodore 500 (and available on >> store shelves _everywhere_ despite what you claim) does not change that >> it was produced to be a workstation and simply became a console because >> that's what Commodore knew how to sell. > > complete nonsense. > > major software developers ignored the amiga. businesses definitely > ignored it. very, very few computer stores sold it. even the mac had > far more traction than the amiga ever did. it was a toy. Software developers did not ignore it and the plethora of games shows that it was very popular for a long time. The issue with it, just like the Atari ST, is that piracy was unbelievably high and THAT discouraged developers from _continuing_ to produce software for it. > microsoft windows was mostly a copy of classic mac os, not amiga os, > and even that took a decade for windows to be even somewhat useful, > with windows '95. Considering how many of us wrote essays, produced spreadsheets and first browsed the web through Windows 3.1, I wouldn't say that the operating system was useless before 95 emerged. > hobbyists liked the amiga because it was cheap and had some games. > otherwise, it was nothing special. the amusement of the bouncing ball > demo wore off very, very quickly, as in minutes. They liked the Amiga because it did more than the PC at a lower price and had better specifications throughout. It wasn't perfect and much of that was Commodore's fault but some people managed to keep using their Amiga well into the late 90s because it COULD do everything that they wanted to do including Internet-related tasks. >> I can't say good things about >> the operating system since I don't know it that well but it was indeed >> ahead of its time since it could multitask AND the Amiga could run Mac >> software better than Macs themselves if you purchased the software to do >> so. > > absolutely false. the amiga wasn't ahead of anything. > > many other systems could multitask, including the mac, plus the mac > emulator on the amiga was a complete joke. it ran a few things but not > particularly well and nowhere near what an actual mac could do. A complete lie. Mac OS before OS X lacked pre-emptive multitasking. It had cooperative multitasking which was complete garbage compared to what the Amiga was doing. Also, here's an Amiga running Mac software. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jph0gxzL3UI> In this case, it's an upgraded machine but those kinds of upgrades existed even at the time. Clearly, it would have been slower than what the video shows in 1993 or 1987, but even THEN, it ran the software faster than a stock Mac with full compatibility. In other words, you're full of crap. >>>> A class in our sister >>>> school made a great little video illustrating the hiker's mantra to >>>> "Leave no trace (in the bush)", all using bundled/built-in software. the >>>> Amiga could play a video in the background while you working in the >>>> foreground, though why you would that distraction was never >>>> satisfactorily explained. One of several machines whose innovations we >>>> now take for granted on all three major platforms. >>> >>> nothing it did was innovative, one of many reasons why it failed. >> >> It failed because Commodore didn't know what to do with it since >> Tramiel, the real genius, left the company. They also dragged their feet >> in improving the product which is why the Amiga 600, 500+ and 1200 were >> barely any better than the original product despite being released some >> 8 years later. > > it failed because it was a toy. It failed because people didn't understand what it was (a game console or a computer) and neither did Commodore. Your falsification of history is unwelcome. -- SilverSlimer Proud recipient of special entitlements and fierce adversary of equal rights Minds: @silverslimer
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-07 13:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <071120181311562985%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119214 |
In article <_jFED.419862$uJ2.42350@fx27.iad>, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> wrote: > >>>>>> Looking back, the PS/2, as sturdy as it was, could not have dominated a > >>>>>> space in which computers like the Amiga and the Atari ST could do more > >>>>>> for a lot less money. > >>>>> > >>>>> no they couldn't. those were toys. > >>>> > >>>> The Amiga was another machine ahead of its time. > >>> > >>> no it wasn't. the amiga was in every way a toy. it had less software > >>> support than the mac did and what it did have was not professional > >>> quality, almost no stores sold it because it wasn't compelling and it > >>> crashed if you looked at it wrong. > >> > >> A whole bunch of lies and it's trivial to verify nowadays. > > > > nothing about it is a lie. > > I've done enough research about the Amiga to know that your statement > was complete garbage. research != experience. i used mac, pc, amiga and atari back then and ended up writing software for the first two. the latter two were toys. > >> The Amiga was first released as a production tool despite the fact that > >> it was first envisioned and became somewhat of a console. Look at the > >> Amiga 1000 and you'll know that it looked like and was very much a > >> production computer. That the Amiga 500 was eventually released and > >> marketed in the same fashion as the Commodore 500 (and available on > >> store shelves _everywhere_ despite what you claim) does not change that > >> it was produced to be a workstation and simply became a console because > >> that's what Commodore knew how to sell. > > > > complete nonsense. > > > > major software developers ignored the amiga. businesses definitely > > ignored it. very, very few computer stores sold it. even the mac had > > far more traction than the amiga ever did. it was a toy. > > Software developers did not ignore it and the plethora of games shows > that it was very popular for a long time. games = toy. thanks for the confirmation. > The issue with it, just like > the Atari ST, is that piracy was unbelievably high and THAT discouraged > developers from _continuing_ to produce software for it. piracy existed on all platforms and was no more a deterrent on amiga & atari than anything else. in fact, there was *more* piracy in raw numbers on mac and pc because there were far more users to pirate stuff. businesses was where the money was, and very, very few businesses pirated software. they had too much to risk by doing so. > > microsoft windows was mostly a copy of classic mac os, not amiga os, > > and even that took a decade for windows to be even somewhat useful, > > with windows '95. > > Considering how many of us wrote essays, produced spreadsheets and first > browsed the web through Windows 3.1, I wouldn't say that the operating > system was useless before 95 emerged. people did that with dos. the point is that win3.1 was only marginally more capable than dos. > > hobbyists liked the amiga because it was cheap and had some games. > > otherwise, it was nothing special. the amusement of the bouncing ball > > demo wore off very, very quickly, as in minutes. > > They liked the Amiga because it did more than the PC at a lower price > and had better specifications throughout. except that it didn't. had that been true, businesses would have bought amiga in droves and saved money in the process. the reality is that they didn't, because the amiga *didn't* do more than the pc. it did less, much less, largely due to a lack of quality software, and what it did do was not particularly good. > It wasn't perfect and much of > that was Commodore's fault but some people managed to keep using their > Amiga well into the late 90s because it COULD do everything that they > wanted to do including Internet-related tasks. so could macs and pcs, with significant software and hardware support the amiga did not have. > >> I can't say good things about > >> the operating system since I don't know it that well but it was indeed > >> ahead of its time since it could multitask AND the Amiga could run Mac > >> software better than Macs themselves if you purchased the software to do > >> so. > > > > absolutely false. the amiga wasn't ahead of anything. > > > > many other systems could multitask, including the mac, plus the mac > > emulator on the amiga was a complete joke. it ran a few things but not > > particularly well and nowhere near what an actual mac could do. > > A complete lie. Mac OS before OS X lacked pre-emptive multitasking. It > had cooperative multitasking which was complete garbage compared to what > the Amiga was doing. false. classic mac os had limited preemptive multitasking as well as cooperative multitasking, the latter of which is not garbage. it's simply a different model, with advantages and disadvantages. app developers could choose whichever worked best for a given product. > Also, here's an Amiga running Mac software. > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jph0gxzL3UI> In this case, it's an > upgraded machine but those kinds of upgrades existed even at the time. > Clearly, it would have been slower than what the video shows in 1993 or > 1987, but even THEN, it ran the software faster than a stock Mac with > full compatibility. it was not faster. i know the fanbois liked to claim that it was, using contrived demos, but that was an alternate reality in which they lived. very few apps worked properly with the compatibility card. > In other words, you're full of crap. nope. > >>>> A class in our sister > >>>> school made a great little video illustrating the hiker's mantra to > >>>> "Leave no trace (in the bush)", all using bundled/built-in software. the > >>>> Amiga could play a video in the background while you working in the > >>>> foreground, though why you would that distraction was never > >>>> satisfactorily explained. One of several machines whose innovations we > >>>> now take for granted on all three major platforms. > >>> > >>> nothing it did was innovative, one of many reasons why it failed. > >> > >> It failed because Commodore didn't know what to do with it since > >> Tramiel, the real genius, left the company. They also dragged their feet > >> in improving the product which is why the Amiga 600, 500+ and 1200 were > >> barely any better than the original product despite being released some > >> 8 years later. > > > > it failed because it was a toy. > > It failed because people didn't understand what it was (a game console > or a computer) and neither did Commodore. Your falsification of history > is unwelcome. nope. it failed because it was nowhere as good as macs and pcs, it had very little software and hardware support, with too few customers to keep it viable. software and hardware developers mostly ignored it, and without key titles and expansion cards, businesses also ignored it. simple as that.
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| From | Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-07 14:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <u4HED.344845$vJ1.144572@fx05.iad> |
| In reply to | #119218 |
On 2018-11-07 12:11, nospam wrote: [...] > games = toy. thanks for the confirmation. [...] Interesting example of snobbery. You seem to suffer from Presbyterian hangover syndrome. You know: "work good, play bad". ;-) As games became increasingly graphics intensive, that drove the development of the graphics subsystem, ie, the video and the GPU. It's because of the gamers that we have fast, high-resolution displays. It's because of the gamers the we have fast CPUs. BTW, GPUs have been used for computationally intensive tasks such as weather modelling. There's a reason gaming laptops cost two to five times as much as business/personal laptops. -- Wolf K kirkwood40.blogspot.com "Gentics is not genealogy." (Gragham Coop, Ph.D.)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <081120180033244213%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #119226 |
In article <u4HED.344845$vJ1.144572@fx05.iad>, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > games = toy. thanks for the confirmation. > > Interesting example of snobbery. You seem to suffer from Presbyterian > hangover syndrome. You know: "work good, play bad". ;-) it's not snobbery in the least. > As games became increasingly graphics intensive, that drove the > development of the graphics subsystem, ie, the video and the GPU. It's > because of the gamers that we have fast, high-resolution displays. It's > because of the gamers the we have fast CPUs. BTW, GPUs have been used > for computationally intensive tasks such as weather modelling. not in the mid-1980s, it didn't. btw, apple had a video card that implemented quickdraw, the graphics imaging model for macos, on the video card itself using an amd risc cpu, an early form of gpu acceleration, and because of the way mac os was designed, apps didn't need to do much, if anything, to support it.
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