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No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server

Started byNomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>
First post2018-09-09 00:32 +0200
Last post2018-09-09 23:54 +0800
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  No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-09-09 00:32 +0200
    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-09 17:19 +1200
      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-09-09 11:26 -0400
        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2018-11-06 09:14 -0500
          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-06 23:23 -0500
      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-09 18:17 +0000
        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-09 11:50 -0700
          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 15:26 -0500
            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 13:34 -0700
            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 16:39 -0400
              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 17:34 -0700
            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 16:56 -0500
              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 13:34 +1200
                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 18:39 -0700
                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 16:35 +1200
                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-11 06:51 -0500
                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 08:41 +1200
                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:42 -0700
                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-09-11 16:51 -0500
                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:55 -0700
                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 06:21 -0700
                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 08:46 +1200
                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-11 14:47 -0700
                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 13:47 +1200
                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-12 06:51 -0700
                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2018-11-06 09:21 -0500
                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2018-11-06 10:48 -0600
                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-06 11:59 -0400
                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server anon <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-09-10 20:39 -0500
                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-09-10 23:20 -0400
                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-11 16:30 +1200
                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-11 14:59 +0000
                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-11 17:08 -0500
                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 00:28 +0000
                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-11 20:46 -0500
                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 18:17 +1200
                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-12 19:34 -0500
                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-13 13:59 +0000
                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-09-13 16:57 -0500
                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-13 22:39 +0000
                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-09-14 20:13 -0700
                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-15 11:54 +0000
                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-09-15 08:41 -0400
                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-15 16:04 +0000
                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-15 15:55 +0000
                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2018-11-06 09:24 -0500
                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-06 15:53 +0000
                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 12:29 -0500
                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-06 12:34 -0400
                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 12:51 -0500
                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-06 12:55 -0400
                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 13:35 -0500
                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-06 11:17 -0800
                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 17:51 -0500
                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-06 15:05 -0800
                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 20:00 -0500
                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-06 17:29 -0800
                                                            OT: About OS/2 (Was:Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 09:16 -0500
                                                              Re: OT: About OS/2 (Was:Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server) SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 09:58 -0500
                                                              Re: OT: About OS/2 Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-09 19:07 +0000
                                                                Re: OT: About OS/2 Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:25 -0500
                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nobody <nobodysaysitalldoesntit@nobo.org> - 2018-11-06 18:14 -0500
                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 20:01 -0500
                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 19:06 +0000
                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-06 14:13 -0500
                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends   it to Chinese server "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-07 18:58 +0000
                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 18:04 -0500
                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-07 17:13 -0800
                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 14:58 -0800
                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:19 -0500
                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:25 -0500
                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 09:25 -0500
                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 09:33 -0400
                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 10:44 -0500
                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 11:13 -0400
                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-07 08:43 -0800
                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 11:46 -0400
                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 11:51 -0500
                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 12:05 -0400
                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 12:36 -0500
                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 13:11 -0400
                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 12:41 -0600
                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 14:23 -0500
                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:20 -0500
                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 10:13 -0800
                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 07:45 -0700
                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 14:12 -0500
                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 14:22 -0500
                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 13:22 -0700
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 19:00 -0700
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:10 -0700
                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 22:16 -0500
                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:18 -0700
                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:09 -0500
                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 10:06 -0800
                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 15:00 -0500
                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 12:37 -0800
                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:08 -0500
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 16:19 -0800
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:31 -0500
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-09 11:56 -0800
                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 15:51 -0500
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 17:11 -0500
                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 19:25 -0500
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:12 -0500
                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 17:46 -0500
                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 08:58 -0500
                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:03 -0500
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 22:13 -0500
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:22 -0700
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:06 -0700
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 22:19 -0500
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:29 -0700
                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 08:38 -0500
                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-10 09:53 -0500
                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:13 -0700
                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 14:19 -0500
                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-07 13:51 -0700
                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 07:47 -0700
                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 09:15 -0700
                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 11:57 -0400
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 11:09 -0700
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 13:23 -0500
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 12:14 -0700
                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 10:10 -0800
                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 08:48 -0500
                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:33 -0500
                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 11:56 -0600
                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 13:23 -0500
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 21:07 -0500
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 22:06 -0500
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:11 -0700
                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 22:19 -0500
                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:32 -0700
                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 09:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-09 11:48 -0500
                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 11:45 -0700
                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 21:35 +0000
                                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 12:01 -0700
                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 21:33 +0000
                                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:13 -0700
                                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-09 22:19 +0000
                                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:23 -0700
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                                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 00:19 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:29 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-10 09:40 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:17 -0700
                                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-09 17:59 -0500
                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 15:09 -0500
                                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:20 -0700
                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 19:41 -0500
                                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 00:51 +0000
                                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 21:30 -0500
                                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:14 +0000
                                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:17 -0700
                                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:27 +0000
                                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:26 -0700
                                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:22 +0000
                                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 18:56 -0700
                                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 12:09 +0000
                                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 16:08 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 16:38 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 17:26 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 18:01 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 11:30 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 18:53 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 12:54 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 21:03 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 14:52 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 22:26 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 15:39 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-11 19:26 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:43 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 20:45 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 20:43 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-12 09:03 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 12:08 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-12 13:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 18:33 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-13 08:53 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-12 16:35 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-12 14:22 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-12 22:00 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-13 08:51 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 23:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-13 19:51 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 13:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 09:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-15 12:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-15 12:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 18:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 18:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 19:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 14:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 19:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-15 15:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 21:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 20:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-15 13:49 -0500
                                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-10 09:48 -0500
                                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 11:16 -0700
                                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-10 18:20 +0000
                                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-10 18:57 -0700
                                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-11 09:06 -0500
                                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> - 2018-11-11 17:11 +0000
                                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-11 17:26 +0000
                                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 21:27 -0700
                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:57 -0500
                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-09 15:21 -0700
                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 14:57 -0500
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-11-08 15:05 -0600
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-11-08 15:35 -0600
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:09 -0500
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-09 14:35 +0000
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 14:50 -0500
                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 14:23 -0600
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:02 -0500
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 19:04 -0700
                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 19:39 -0500
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 14:50 -0500
                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2018-11-09 13:19 -0700
                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 17:11 -0500
                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 17:11 -0500
                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 19:38 -0500
                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 20:08 -0500
                                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 21:33 -0500
                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 22:22 -0500
                                                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-10 10:02 -0500
                                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 13:55 -0500
                                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 19:47 -0500
                                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 20:08 -0500
                                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 21:45 -0500
                                                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 22:22 -0500
                                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-09 14:53 +0000
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 10:20 -0500
                                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 09:29 -0600
                                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-09 15:13 -0500
                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 20:56 -0500
                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-08 20:57 -0500
                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:05 -0500
                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-08 12:35 -0800
                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
                                                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 18:56 -0700
                                                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
                                                                  Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-08 20:11 -0700
                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 12:41 -0500
                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 13:11 -0400
                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-07 11:47 -0700
                                                    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 12:31 -0500
                                                      Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-07 13:11 -0400
                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-07 14:31 -0500
                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
                                                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-11-08 09:11 -0500
                                                        Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-07 17:55 -0500
                                                          Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
                            Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 16:11 +0000
                              Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-09-12 14:10 -0400
                                Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-12 18:35 +0000
    Re: No. 1 paid utility in Mac App Store steals browser history, sends it to Chinese server "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 23:54 +0800

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#119561

FromSilverSlimer <silver@slim.er>
Date2018-11-15 13:49 -0500
Message-ID<%cjHD.881978$LK2.24036@fx36.iad>
In reply to#119558
On 2018-11-15 1:01 p.m., Spooge wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:49:38 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
>> On 2018-11-15 12:17 p.m., Spooge wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:09:42 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
>>>> On 2018-11-15 11:35 a.m., Spooge wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 09:27:50 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
>>>>>> On 2018-11-15 08:22, Spooge wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:51:38 -0700, S[...]
>>>>>>>>> You don't _see_ a problem with Lesotho out-ranking the US in education?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. If you do by all means explain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let Wolf respond, he linked to wikipedia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> High percentage of a small GDP will be a small actual spend. Low
>>>>>> percentage of a large GDP will be a large spend. Comparing GDP fractions
>>>>>> works reasonably well when GDP/person is in the same order of magnitude.
>>>>>> Thus, comparing US to oher G20 countries is a good first approximation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where the US ranks quite high :)
>>>>> https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cmd.asp
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best comparator would be per capita spend, but even that has
>>>>>> problems. Averages hide details.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spending is no comparator to results.
>>>>> Spending in public schools is an indicator of how much is paid to teachers.
>>>>> Spending on student's needs accounts for only 8% of spending.
>>>>> Charter schools in the US outperform public schools routinely, yet for less
>>>>> spending.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Easy example of how averages can mislead:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Set A (10,5,5) --> ave 6.7
>>>>>> Set B (16,2,2) --> ave 6.7
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why statisticians prefer median and mode, plus standard
>>>>>> deviation, to characterise date sets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Snot said we spend more on the military.
>>>>> Snot says he's a teacher, yet Snot was wrong.
>>>>> What is Snot teaching, one may wonder?
>>>>
>>>> He's not a teacher but when he IS in front of a classroom, he only
>>>> propagandizes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, my bad.
>>> I thought I read he teaches computer classes.
>>> My mistake.
>>> His argument lead me even more to believe he was.
>>>
>>> And, once more, I support teachers.
>>> I support many fields of endeavour, least of which is statistical
>>> analysis :)
>>
>> Snot likes to talk about his many experiences teaching but the reality
>> is that even the hillbillies of Prescott, Arizona aren't dumb enough to
>> employ him.
> 
> I'm no longer sure what he does.

Trolls Usenet 24/7.

> He is one of the more obviously biased, clueless people I have read.

Absolutely everyone on Usenet concurs with your assessment.

> He must just be a union minion.
> He's fun to argue with, because you know he'll likely be wrong :)

Arguing to him is both pointless and fruitless. Your time can be better 
spent watching paint dry or scouring the world in search of the heated 
dirt Peter the Klöwn keeps referring to.

-- 
SilverSlimer
Minds: @silverslimer

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#119428

FromSilverSlimer <silver@slim.er>
Date2018-11-10 09:48 -0500
Message-ID<NcCFD.967161$Vl2.950958@fx46.iad>
In reply to#119398
On 2018-11-09 7:51 p.m., Spooge wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
>> On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
>>> On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
>>>> On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>>>> In article <g4kc72FtqpiU3@mid.individual.net>, Snit
>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> however, chromebooks are very strong in education.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
>>>>>>>>> Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>> They tend
>>>>>>>>> to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
>>>>>>>>> general.
>>>>>>>>> Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
>>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>>> system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
>>>>>>>>> insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
>>>>>>>> logs in
>>>>>>>> and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> it doesn't matter that much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that is very true.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
>>>> support to compensate for low local taxes.
>>>
>>> We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
>>> state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
>>> state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.
>>
>> Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
>> effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.
>>
> 
> They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
> desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
> though didn't strike over lack of books.
> 
> It's all about the kids though.
> 
> Cue bullshit.

Over the years, I've seen the unions here strike three times I believe 
(been teaching for fifteen years) and I have yet to see any improvement 
of our conditions other than reduced-size classes. Of course, that only 
happened in the French system I used to be a part of; in the English 
system, the classes are still rather large. Of course, it's not a big 
deal because English students are so much better behaved than the filth 
I used to have to deal with in the French system.

In terms of salary though, the maximum salary hasn't moved much and in a 
while and in terms of insurance, we get decent life insurance but 
absolutely nothing else. That's why so many teachers have such awful 
teeth. Lucky for me, my wife's insurance pays for everything.

But that's not the worst we have to deal with. You always have a chance 
that you'll end up with some aggressive gorilla like this one: 
<https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1177874485696885&id=100004230346811> 
The worst part, for me, is the fact that the teacher takes it and is 
apologetic about what just happened. That's what the socialist education 
system does to teachers: it attempts to make us incredibly passive to 
keep our job. It didn't work for me (which is why I never had severe 
discipline issues from students), but the women often become 
marshmallows who let all sorts of garbage happen in their classes. If 
there's anything teachers should strike about, it's the fact that these 
kids do whatever they want, including punching a teacher, and don't get 
arrested.

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Minds: @silverslimer

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#119434

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-11-10 11:16 -0700
Message-ID<g4olk9FshfsU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#119428
On 11/10/18 7:48 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
> On 2018-11-09 7:51 p.m., Spooge wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
>>> On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <g4kc72FtqpiU3@mid.individual.net>, Snit
>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> however, chromebooks are very strong in education.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to 
>>>>>>>>>> move to
>>>>>>>>>> Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>>> They tend
>>>>>>>>>> to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
>>>>>>>>>> general.
>>>>>>>>>> Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
>>>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>>>> system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up 
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
>>>>>>>>> logs in
>>>>>>>>> and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> it doesn't matter that much.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that is very true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
>>>>> support to compensate for low local taxes.
>>>>
>>>> We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
>>>> state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
>>>> state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.
>>>
>>> Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
>>> effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.
>>>
>>
>> They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet 
>> have no
>> desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another 
>> raise,
>> though didn't strike over lack of books.
>>
>> It's all about the kids though.
>>
>> Cue bullshit.
> 
> Over the years, I've seen the unions here strike three times I believe 
> (been teaching for fifteen years) and I have yet to see any improvement 
> of our conditions other than reduced-size classes. Of course, that only 
> happened in the French system I used to be a part of; in the English 
> system, the classes are still rather large. Of course, it's not a big 
> deal because English students are so much better behaved than the filth 
> I used to have to deal with in the French system.
> 
> In terms of salary though, the maximum salary hasn't moved much and in a 
> while and in terms of insurance, we get decent life insurance but 
> absolutely nothing else. That's why so many teachers have such awful 
> teeth. Lucky for me, my wife's insurance pays for everything.
> 
> But that's not the worst we have to deal with. You always have a chance 
> that you'll end up with some aggressive gorilla like this one: 
> <https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1177874485696885&id=100004230346811> 
> The worst part, for me, is the fact that the teacher takes it and is 
> apologetic about what just happened. That's what the socialist education 
> system does to teachers: it attempts to make us incredibly passive to 
> keep our job. It didn't work for me (which is why I never had severe 
> discipline issues from students), but the women often become 
> marshmallows who let all sorts of garbage happen in their classes. If 
> there's anything teachers should strike about, it's the fact that these 
> kids do whatever they want, including punching a teacher, and don't get 
> arrested.
> 

Someone who is as openly and clearly bigoted as you, as you even show 
above, should not be allowed to teach.

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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

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#119437

FromSpooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid>
Date2018-11-10 18:20 +0000
Message-ID<ps77ht$8iq$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119428
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:48:15 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
> On 2018-11-09 7:51 p.m., Spooge wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
>>> On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <g4kc72FtqpiU3@mid.individual.net>, Snit
>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> however, chromebooks are very strong in education.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
>>>>>>>>>> Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>>> They tend
>>>>>>>>>> to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
>>>>>>>>>> general.
>>>>>>>>>> Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
>>>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>>>> system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
>>>>>>>>>> insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
>>>>>>>>> logs in
>>>>>>>>> and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> it doesn't matter that much.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that is very true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
>>>>> support to compensate for low local taxes.
>>>>
>>>> We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
>>>> state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
>>>> state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.
>>>
>>> Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
>>> effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.
>>>
>> 
>> They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
>> desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
>> though didn't strike over lack of books.
>> 
>> It's all about the kids though.
>> 
>> Cue bullshit.
>
> Over the years, I've seen the unions here strike three times I believe 
> (been teaching for fifteen years) and I have yet to see any improvement 
> of our conditions other than reduced-size classes. Of course, that only 
> happened in the French system I used to be a part of; in the English 
> system, the classes are still rather large. Of course, it's not a big 
> deal because English students are so much better behaved than the filth 
> I used to have to deal with in the French system.
>
> In terms of salary though, the maximum salary hasn't moved much and in a 
> while and in terms of insurance, we get decent life insurance but 
> absolutely nothing else. That's why so many teachers have such awful 
> teeth. Lucky for me, my wife's insurance pays for everything.
>
> But that's not the worst we have to deal with. You always have a chance 
> that you'll end up with some aggressive gorilla like this one: 
><https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1177874485696885&id=100004230346811> 
> The worst part, for me, is the fact that the teacher takes it and is 
> apologetic about what just happened. That's what the socialist education 
> system does to teachers: it attempts to make us incredibly passive to 
> keep our job. It didn't work for me (which is why I never had severe 
> discipline issues from students), but the women often become 
> marshmallows who let all sorts of garbage happen in their classes. If 
> there's anything teachers should strike about, it's the fact that these 
> kids do whatever they want, including punching a teacher, and don't get 
> arrested.

Yeah, I'm with you on the kids behaviour.

I don't think salaries are too bad, from what I've looked at, for a job
that gives you the summer off.

Teachers should receive good health/dental/vision insurance.
I had always imagined that they did.

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#119448

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-11-10 18:57 -0700
Message-ID<g4pgk5F45tdU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#119437
On 11/10/18 11:20 AM, Spooge wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:48:15 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
>> On 2018-11-09 7:51 p.m., Spooge wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
>>>> On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <g4kc72FtqpiU3@mid.individual.net>, Snit
>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> however, chromebooks are very strong in education.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
>>>>>>>>>>> Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>> They tend
>>>>>>>>>>> to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
>>>>>>>>>>> general.
>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
>>>>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>>>>> system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
>>>>>>>>>>> insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
>>>>>>>>>> logs in
>>>>>>>>>> and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't matter that much.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that is very true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
>>>>>> support to compensate for low local taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
>>>>> state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
>>>>> state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
>>>> effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
>>> desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
>>> though didn't strike over lack of books.
>>>
>>> It's all about the kids though.
>>>
>>> Cue bullshit.
>>
>> Over the years, I've seen the unions here strike three times I believe
>> (been teaching for fifteen years) and I have yet to see any improvement
>> of our conditions other than reduced-size classes. Of course, that only
>> happened in the French system I used to be a part of; in the English
>> system, the classes are still rather large. Of course, it's not a big
>> deal because English students are so much better behaved than the filth
>> I used to have to deal with in the French system.
>>
>> In terms of salary though, the maximum salary hasn't moved much and in a
>> while and in terms of insurance, we get decent life insurance but
>> absolutely nothing else. That's why so many teachers have such awful
>> teeth. Lucky for me, my wife's insurance pays for everything.
>>
>> But that's not the worst we have to deal with. You always have a chance
>> that you'll end up with some aggressive gorilla like this one:
>> <https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1177874485696885&id=100004230346811>
>> The worst part, for me, is the fact that the teacher takes it and is
>> apologetic about what just happened. That's what the socialist education
>> system does to teachers: it attempts to make us incredibly passive to
>> keep our job. It didn't work for me (which is why I never had severe
>> discipline issues from students), but the women often become
>> marshmallows who let all sorts of garbage happen in their classes. If
>> there's anything teachers should strike about, it's the fact that these
>> kids do whatever they want, including punching a teacher, and don't get
>> arrested.
> 
> Yeah, I'm with you on the kids behaviour.
> 
> I don't think salaries are too bad, from what I've looked at, for a job
> that gives you the summer off.

It does not give you the summer off, and it is paid very, very poorly.

But you have shown no respect for teachers ever since you found out I 
teach.

> Teachers should receive good health/dental/vision insurance.
> I had always imagined that they did.

Yes, you IMAGINE they do. Many do not.


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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#119458

FromSilverSlimer <silver@slim.er>
Date2018-11-11 09:06 -0500
Message-ID<CHWFD.236742$X82.98194@fx22.iad>
In reply to#119437
On 2018-11-10 1:20 p.m., Spooge wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:48:15 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
>> On 2018-11-09 7:51 p.m., Spooge wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
>>>> On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <g4kc72FtqpiU3@mid.individual.net>, Snit
>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> however, chromebooks are very strong in education.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
>>>>>>>>>>> Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>> They tend
>>>>>>>>>>> to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
>>>>>>>>>>> general.
>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
>>>>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>>>>> system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
>>>>>>>>>>> insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
>>>>>>>>>> logs in
>>>>>>>>>> and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't matter that much.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that is very true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
>>>>>> support to compensate for low local taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
>>>>> state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
>>>>> state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
>>>> effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
>>> desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
>>> though didn't strike over lack of books.
>>>
>>> It's all about the kids though.
>>>
>>> Cue bullshit.
>>
>> Over the years, I've seen the unions here strike three times I believe
>> (been teaching for fifteen years) and I have yet to see any improvement
>> of our conditions other than reduced-size classes. Of course, that only
>> happened in the French system I used to be a part of; in the English
>> system, the classes are still rather large. Of course, it's not a big
>> deal because English students are so much better behaved than the filth
>> I used to have to deal with in the French system.
>>
>> In terms of salary though, the maximum salary hasn't moved much and in a
>> while and in terms of insurance, we get decent life insurance but
>> absolutely nothing else. That's why so many teachers have such awful
>> teeth. Lucky for me, my wife's insurance pays for everything.
>>
>> But that's not the worst we have to deal with. You always have a chance
>> that you'll end up with some aggressive gorilla like this one:
>> <https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1177874485696885&id=100004230346811>
>> The worst part, for me, is the fact that the teacher takes it and is
>> apologetic about what just happened. That's what the socialist education
>> system does to teachers: it attempts to make us incredibly passive to
>> keep our job. It didn't work for me (which is why I never had severe
>> discipline issues from students), but the women often become
>> marshmallows who let all sorts of garbage happen in their classes. If
>> there's anything teachers should strike about, it's the fact that these
>> kids do whatever they want, including punching a teacher, and don't get
>> arrested.
> 
> Yeah, I'm with you on the kids behaviour.
> 
> I don't think salaries are too bad, from what I've looked at, for a job
> that gives you the summer off.

Except that you're not paid for the summer. The way that it works, at 
least here in Quebec, is that a part of every one of your paychecks is 
taken away over the year to pay for those two months. Essentially, 
you're paying for your own two months off. The problem with that is that 
in every province outside of Quebec, the tax rate is lower so you're 
still paying for your summer, but you still get a better amount during 
the work year.

> Teachers should receive good health/dental/vision insurance.
> I had always imagined that they did.

I think they're only getting better with psychologists because they're 
noticed that a lot of teachers eventually break down and needs meds for 
depression or something similar. We also get decent life insurance, but 
the rest is trash. Like I said, a lot of really bad teeth with teachers.

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#119461

FromSpooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid>
Date2018-11-11 17:11 +0000
Message-ID<ps9nrc$2ds$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119458
On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 09:06:26 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
> On 2018-11-10 1:20 p.m., Spooge wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:48:15 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
>>> On 2018-11-09 7:51 p.m., Spooge wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
>>>>> On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <g4kc72FtqpiU3@mid.individual.net>, Snit
>>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, chromebooks are very strong in education.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They tend
>>>>>>>>>>>> to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
>>>>>>>>>>>> general.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
>>>>>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>>>>>> system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
>>>>>>>>>>>> insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
>>>>>>>>>>> logs in
>>>>>>>>>>> and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't matter that much.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that is very true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
>>>>>>> support to compensate for low local taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
>>>>>> state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
>>>>>> state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
>>>>> effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
>>>> desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
>>>> though didn't strike over lack of books.
>>>>
>>>> It's all about the kids though.
>>>>
>>>> Cue bullshit.
>>>
>>> Over the years, I've seen the unions here strike three times I believe
>>> (been teaching for fifteen years) and I have yet to see any improvement
>>> of our conditions other than reduced-size classes. Of course, that only
>>> happened in the French system I used to be a part of; in the English
>>> system, the classes are still rather large. Of course, it's not a big
>>> deal because English students are so much better behaved than the filth
>>> I used to have to deal with in the French system.
>>>
>>> In terms of salary though, the maximum salary hasn't moved much and in a
>>> while and in terms of insurance, we get decent life insurance but
>>> absolutely nothing else. That's why so many teachers have such awful
>>> teeth. Lucky for me, my wife's insurance pays for everything.
>>>
>>> But that's not the worst we have to deal with. You always have a chance
>>> that you'll end up with some aggressive gorilla like this one:
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1177874485696885&id=100004230346811>
>>> The worst part, for me, is the fact that the teacher takes it and is
>>> apologetic about what just happened. That's what the socialist education
>>> system does to teachers: it attempts to make us incredibly passive to
>>> keep our job. It didn't work for me (which is why I never had severe
>>> discipline issues from students), but the women often become
>>> marshmallows who let all sorts of garbage happen in their classes. If
>>> there's anything teachers should strike about, it's the fact that these
>>> kids do whatever they want, including punching a teacher, and don't get
>>> arrested.
>> 
>> Yeah, I'm with you on the kids behaviour.
>> 
>> I don't think salaries are too bad, from what I've looked at, for a job
>> that gives you the summer off.
>
> Except that you're not paid for the summer. The way that it works, at 
> least here in Quebec, is that a part of every one of your paychecks is 
> taken away over the year to pay for those two months. Essentially, 
> you're paying for your own two months off. The problem with that is that 
> in every province outside of Quebec, the tax rate is lower so you're 
> still paying for your summer, but you still get a better amount during 
> the work year.
>
>> Teachers should receive good health/dental/vision insurance.
>> I had always imagined that they did.
>
> I think they're only getting better with psychologists because they're 
> noticed that a lot of teachers eventually break down and needs meds for 
> depression or something similar. We also get decent life insurance, but 
> the rest is trash. Like I said, a lot of really bad teeth with teachers.

I support teachers, and think they should be paid well.
Of course, I think _everyone_ should be paid well, and I think the economy
benefits from a well-paid work-force, and not by the 1% 'ers that live
in la-la land.

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#119463

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-11-11 17:26 +0000
Message-ID<g4r72rFfmugU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#119461
Spooge <sp00ge@goop.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 09:06:26 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
>> On 2018-11-10 1:20 p.m., Spooge wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:48:15 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
>>>> On 2018-11-09 7:51 p.m., Spooge wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
>>>>>> On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <g4kc72FtqpiU3@mid.individual.net>, Snit
>>>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, chromebooks are very strong in education.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They tend
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> general.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>>>>>>> system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
>>>>>>>>>>>> logs in
>>>>>>>>>>>> and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't matter that much.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> that is very true.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
>>>>>>>> support to compensate for low local taxes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
>>>>>>> state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
>>>>>>> state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
>>>>>> effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
>>>>> desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
>>>>> though didn't strike over lack of books.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's all about the kids though.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cue bullshit.
>>>> 
>>>> Over the years, I've seen the unions here strike three times I believe
>>>> (been teaching for fifteen years) and I have yet to see any improvement
>>>> of our conditions other than reduced-size classes. Of course, that only
>>>> happened in the French system I used to be a part of; in the English
>>>> system, the classes are still rather large. Of course, it's not a big
>>>> deal because English students are so much better behaved than the filth
>>>> I used to have to deal with in the French system.
>>>> 
>>>> In terms of salary though, the maximum salary hasn't moved much and in a
>>>> while and in terms of insurance, we get decent life insurance but
>>>> absolutely nothing else. That's why so many teachers have such awful
>>>> teeth. Lucky for me, my wife's insurance pays for everything.
>>>> 
>>>> But that's not the worst we have to deal with. You always have a chance
>>>> that you'll end up with some aggressive gorilla like this one:
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1177874485696885&id=100004230346811>
>>>> The worst part, for me, is the fact that the teacher takes it and is
>>>> apologetic about what just happened. That's what the socialist education
>>>> system does to teachers: it attempts to make us incredibly passive to
>>>> keep our job. It didn't work for me (which is why I never had severe
>>>> discipline issues from students), but the women often become
>>>> marshmallows who let all sorts of garbage happen in their classes. If
>>>> there's anything teachers should strike about, it's the fact that these
>>>> kids do whatever they want, including punching a teacher, and don't get
>>>> arrested.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I'm with you on the kids behaviour.
>>> 
>>> I don't think salaries are too bad, from what I've looked at, for a job
>>> that gives you the summer off.
>> 
>> Except that you're not paid for the summer. The way that it works, at 
>> least here in Quebec, is that a part of every one of your paychecks is 
>> taken away over the year to pay for those two months. Essentially, 
>> you're paying for your own two months off. The problem with that is that 
>> in every province outside of Quebec, the tax rate is lower so you're 
>> still paying for your summer, but you still get a better amount during 
>> the work year.
>> 
>>> Teachers should receive good health/dental/vision insurance.
>>> I had always imagined that they did.
>> 
>> I think they're only getting better with psychologists because they're 
>> noticed that a lot of teachers eventually break down and needs meds for 
>> depression or something similar. We also get decent life insurance, but 
>> the rest is trash. Like I said, a lot of really bad teeth with teachers.
> 
> I support teachers, and think they should be paid well.
> Of course, I think _everyone_ should be paid well, and I think the economy
> benefits from a well-paid work-force, and not by the 1% 'ers that live
> in la-la land.
> 

Agreed. Good to see. 

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#119414

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-11-09 21:27 -0700
Message-ID<g4n520Fi4ucU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#119396
On 11/9/18 5:41 PM, Wolf K wrote:
> On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
>> On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
>>> On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>>> In article <g4kc72FtqpiU3@mid.individual.net>, Snit
>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> however, chromebooks are very strong in education.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
>>>>>>>> Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago. 
>>>>>>>> They tend
>>>>>>>> to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each 
>>>>>>>> reboot, you
>>>>>>>> don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in 
>>>>>>>> general.
>>>>>>>> Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the 
>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>> system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
>>>>>>>> insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid 
>>>>>>> logs in
>>>>>>> and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap 
>>>>>>> enough that
>>>>>>> it doesn't matter that much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.
>>>>>
>>>>> that is very true.
>>>>>
>>>> Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State 
>>> support to compensate for low local taxes.
>>
>> We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a 
>> state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red" 
>> state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.
> 
> Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad 
> effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.

The teachers often ask for donations of basic office supplies and the 
like... we give when we can, and even donated 10 copies of a book they 
were reading. The teacher had 62 students but only 30 copies of the book.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#119368

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-11-09 14:57 -0500
Message-ID<LElFD.420914$uJ2.85451@fx27.iad>
In reply to#119339
On 2018-11-08 22:11, Snit wrote:
> On 11/8/18 7:52 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <kZ5FD.234744$X82.57708@fx22.iad>, SilverSlimer
>> <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> however, chromebooks are very strong in education.
>>>
>>> And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
>>> Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago. They tend
>>> to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot, you
>>> don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in general.
>>> Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the operating
>>> system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
>>> insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.
>>
>> yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid logs in
>> and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough that
>> it doesn't matter that much.
>>
> 
> Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.
> 

That's where Canadian schools have an advantage over the USA, since the 
Provinces fund all their schools at the same level, with specified 
funding for small rural schools, aging buildings, and such, to level the 
playing field. OTOH, parent groups can and do add as much cash as they 
can fundraise, which gives schools in wealthier zones an advantage.

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"Gentics is not genealogy." (Gragham Coop, Ph.D.)

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#119382

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-11-09 15:21 -0700
Message-ID<g4mfjdFdo78U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#119368
On 11/9/18 12:57 PM, Wolf K wrote:
> On 2018-11-08 22:11, Snit wrote:
>> On 11/8/18 7:52 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <kZ5FD.234744$X82.57708@fx22.iad>, SilverSlimer
>>> <silver@slim.er> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> however, chromebooks are very strong in education.
>>>>
>>>> And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
>>>> Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago. They tend
>>>> to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot, you
>>>> don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in 
>>>> general.
>>>> Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the operating
>>>> system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
>>>> insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.
>>>
>>> yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid logs in
>>> and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough that
>>> it doesn't matter that much.
>>>
>>
>> Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.
>>
> 
> That's where Canadian schools have an advantage over the USA, since the 
> Provinces fund all their schools at the same level, with specified 
> funding for small rural schools, aging buildings, and such, to level the 
> playing field. OTOH, parent groups can and do add as much cash as they 
> can fundraise, which gives schools in wealthier zones an advantage.
> 

In general Canada is better about investing in the future and focusing 
on the population as a whole and not just redistributing money to the 
very rich as happens in the US.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#119294

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-11-08 14:57 -0500
Message-ID<wy0FD.963388$Vl2.890943@fx46.iad>
In reply to#119280
On 2018-11-08 12:56, chrisv wrote:
> nospam wrote:
> 
>> there are also shitloads of vertical market apps for tablets,
>> particularly health care, but also education, restaurants and much
>> more.
> 
> I'm wondering about the market shares, Android vs iOS, in those
> "industrial" tablet markets.
> 


Surface is getting some of that industrial/professional market, too, 
which may be why MS has decided to go to Surface 4. There were rumours 
that it would get out of the hardware market.

We'll see.

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"Gentics is not genealogy." (Gragham Coop, Ph.D.)

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#119301

FromRene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
Date2018-11-08 15:05 -0600
Message-ID<g4jmpeFpeu8U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#119294
On 11/08/2018 1:57 PM, Wolf K wrote:
> On 2018-11-08 12:56, chrisv wrote:
>> nospam wrote:
>>
>>> there are also shitloads of vertical market apps for tablets,
>>> particularly health care, but also education, restaurants and much
>>> more.
>>
>> I'm wondering about the market shares, Android vs iOS, in those
>> "industrial" tablet markets.
>>
> 
> 
> Surface is getting some of that industrial/professional market, too, 
> which may be why MS has decided to go to Surface 4. There were rumours 
> that it would get out of the hardware market.
> 
> We'll see.
> 


I use a landline phone for reliability, BUT I would buy a Cellphone only 
if it had a 3 inch screen and fit in my shirt pocket, AND expand into a 
27 inch screen when put into my teseract. :-)

Rene

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#119308

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Message-ID<081120181630091778%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#119301
In article <g4jmpeFpeu8U1@mid.individual.net>, Rene Lamontagne
<rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote:

> I use a landline phone for reliability, BUT I would buy a Cellphone only 
> if it had a 3 inch screen and fit in my shirt pocket,

originally a kickstarter:
<https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jellyphone/jelly-the-smallest-4g-s
martphone>

and now a real company:
<https://www.unihertz.com>

> AND expand into a 
> 27 inch screen when put into my teseract. :-)

that it doesn't do.

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#119309

FromRene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
Date2018-11-08 15:35 -0600
Message-ID<g4joh7Fpq4gU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#119308
On 11/08/2018 3:30 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <g4jmpeFpeu8U1@mid.individual.net>, Rene Lamontagne
> <rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> I use a landline phone for reliability, BUT I would buy a Cellphone only
>> if it had a 3 inch screen and fit in my shirt pocket,
> 
> originally a kickstarter:
> <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jellyphone/jelly-the-smallest-4g-s
> martphone>
> 
> and now a real company:
> <https://www.unihertz.com>
> 
>> AND expand into a
>> 27 inch screen when put into my teseract. :-)
> 
> that it doesn't do.
> 

Dang, but they are hard to find.

Rene

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#119315

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-11-08 19:09 -0500
Message-ID<Ve4FD.963399$Vl2.857634@fx46.iad>
In reply to#119301
On 2018-11-08 16:05, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 11/08/2018 1:57 PM, Wolf K wrote:
>> On 2018-11-08 12:56, chrisv wrote:
>>> nospam wrote:
>>>
>>>> there are also shitloads of vertical market apps for tablets,
>>>> particularly health care, but also education, restaurants and much
>>>> more.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering about the market shares, Android vs iOS, in those
>>> "industrial" tablet markets.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Surface is getting some of that industrial/professional market, too, 
>> which may be why MS has decided to go to Surface 4. There were rumours 
>> that it would get out of the hardware market.
>>
>> We'll see.
>>
> 
> 
> I use a landline phone for reliability, BUT I would buy a Cellphone only 
> if it had a 3 inch screen and fit in my shirt pocket, AND expand into a 
> 27 inch screen when put into my teseract. :-)
> 
> Rene

Cool!

Point to you.

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"Gentics is not genealogy." (Gragham Coop, Ph.D.)

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#119352

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2018-11-09 14:35 +0000
Message-ID<ps49gb.74k.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#119301
Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote:
[...]

> I use a landline phone for reliability, BUT I would buy a Cellphone only 
> if it had a 3 inch screen and fit in my shirt pocket, AND expand into a 
> 27 inch screen when put into my teseract. :-)

  Just put it in a VR-mount and Bob's your uncle! :-)

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#119304

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-11-08 16:30 -0500
Message-ID<081120181630071659%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#119294
In article <wy0FD.963388$Vl2.890943@fx46.iad>, Wolf K
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> >> there are also shitloads of vertical market apps for tablets,
> >> particularly health care, but also education, restaurants and much
> >> more.
> > 
> > I'm wondering about the market shares, Android vs iOS, in those
> > "industrial" tablet markets.
> 
> Surface is getting some of that industrial/professional market, too, 

it isn't in any significant numbers.

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#119293

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-11-08 14:50 -0500
Message-ID<Zr0FD.269211$MJ2.237366@fx11.iad>
In reply to#119268
On 2018-11-08 09:49, nospam wrote:
> In article <UOXED.220105$292.124959@fx21.iad>, Wolf K
> <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
>>> I agree that on the tablet scene, Windows is a complete joke.
>>
>> Um have you browsed Staples, etc lately? Even low-end tablets are
>> selling well, at the one I visit most, there are more tablets than
>> laptops displayed.
> 
> what's on display in a store is not an indication of how well they're
> actually selling.

With Staples and the Source, it usually is. They don't restock stuff 
that takes too long to sell. That is relegated to their online store, 
and quite often isn't restocked there either. Retail is brutal.

>> They do what most people want: surf the web, email,
>> photo, and video, plus connect to anything wi-fi or Bluetooth. Most
>> people do _not_ want to add all kinds of programs to their devices, or
>> tweak them with 3rd party hardware and software.
> 
> not true.

I referred to low-end tablets, a reference you conveniently snipped. Low 
end tablets are limited, sure, but the users I know are happy they have 
them.

> a major example is adobe's recent announcement that the full photoshop
> is coming to ipad. that's a major undertaking, something they would not
> have done had there been no demand for it.

Yup, it's a recognition that more and more people want tablets to be 
full-fledged computers. IOW, that the Surface has shown us the future of 
personal computing. See also the "convertible" laptops. The desktop is 
already a niche market, the laptop is trending that way too. A year or 
three from now, people will be whinging about how tablets aren't real 
computers, just like they whinged that laptops weren't real computers.

FWIW, this big box is getting to be a PITA. It's big and bulky, and 
offers no real advantage over a laptop or high-end tablet. I need the 
space for other purposes, and will dispose of this machine within the 
next 6 months or less. I doubt I'll find a buyer, and may not even be 
able to give it away.

> there are also shitloads of vertical market apps for tablets,
> particularly health care, but also education, restaurants and much
> more.

Yes, but these aren't for most people. They are business/profession 
specific.

>> Some tablets are being
>> offered with 4G, ie, you can use them as a phone if you want. Some
>> people want.
> 
> 4g on tablets is for data, not voice, so that one can be connected when
> wifi is not available, and since it's data-only, the fees are less.

A recent flyer from our local pusher highlighted the phone feature. I've 
noticed that people often hold the phone face up like a mini-tablet and 
talk at it, not into it. So a tablet with phone is an obvious next step 
I think.

> very, very few tablets can function as a normal cellphone. there's not
> much point, especially with the larger 'phablet' phones.

True, for the moment. I think the market hasn't settled yet. It could 
turn out that the current large smartphones are too big for handy 
phoning, but too small for handy computing. We'll see. A recent 
resurgence in flip-phones suggests that a lot of people still aren't 
surer exactly what they want a phone to be.

About 5 years ago I argued that a handy size for a (smart) phone would 
about that of a paperback. I was ridiculed. But the Samsung S9 is about 
as tall as a paperback, but narrower (and of course thinner). The latest 
iPhone is in the same size-range. So I wan't far off.

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"Gentics is not genealogy." (Gragham Coop, Ph.D.)

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#119297

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-11-08 14:23 -0600
Message-ID<og69uddikmrsd4ffk0d2kstrhs0l9kcgke@4ax.com>
In reply to#119293
Wolf K wrote:

>About 5 years ago I argued that a handy size for a (smart) phone would 
>about that of a paperback. I was ridiculed. But the Samsung S9 is about 
>as tall as a paperback, but narrower (and of course thinner). The latest 
>iPhone is in the same size-range. So I wan't far off.

There is no such thing as a "wrong" size.  Every size possible (within
reason) would be right, for someone.  

The more sizes, the more choice, that is offered, the more people will
find something close to what is optimal for them.

-- 
'That everyday anxiety over making the wrong choice is why having a
vast selection of choices tends to make people less happy in general.
After all, once you make the decision and get locked in, you never
stop thinking "What if."'  -  some thing, pulling snit out his ass.

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