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  Selective rennaming of extension JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-11 13:37 -0400
    Re: Selective rennaming of extension nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-11 13:50 -0400
      Re: Selective rennaming of extension JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-11 13:56 -0400
        Re: Selective rennaming of extension nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-11 14:03 -0400
        Re: Selective rennaming of extension Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 09:02 +1200
          Re: Selective rennaming of extension Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-09-11 14:10 -0700
            Re: Selective rennaming of extension Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-09-11 22:21 +0000
              Re: Selective rennaming of extension Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-09-11 15:27 -0700
                Re: Selective rennaming of extension Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 13:51 +1200
                  Re: Selective rennaming of extension Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-09-11 18:58 -0700
                Re: Selective rennaming of extension Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-09-13 15:15 +0000
                  Re: Selective rennaming of extension Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-09-13 08:18 -0700
              Re: Selective rennaming of extension JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-12 13:42 -0400
                Re: Selective rennaming of extension Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-09-12 10:43 -0700
                Re: Selective rennaming of extension Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-09-13 15:16 +0000
          Re: Selective rennaming of extension Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-09-11 18:39 -0700
            Re: Selective rennaming of extension Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-09-11 18:44 -0700
              Re: Selective rennaming of extension Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 18:15 +1200
                Re: Selective rennaming of extension nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2018-09-12 14:14 -0600
            Re: Selective rennaming of extension Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 13:52 +1200
    Re: Selective rennaming of extension Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-09-11 18:17 +0000
      Re: Selective rennaming of extension JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-09-11 15:32 -0400
        Re: Selective rennaming of extension Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-09-11 12:36 -0700
        Re: Selective rennaming of extension Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-09-11 22:18 +0000
        Re: Selective rennaming of extension Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-12 08:23 +0000
          Re: Selective rennaming of extension Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-09-12 08:45 -0700
    Re: Selective rennaming of extension Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-12 08:50 +1200

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#118085 — Selective rennaming of extension

I get a folder (from a .zip) full of files such as:

> DM#3206078 - Réponse-Response - 180910-Bell Mobility-CRTC-20Jul18-307 TNC 2018-98.doc
or
> DM#3206146 - Réponse-Response - TELUS(CRTC)20July18-205.pdf


There are about a hundred files


At the gui level, is there a way to select  all the Bell Mobility files
and changing then from .doc to .docx so the Mac can quicklook or
"Preview" of "Pages"  can open them ?

At Command line:

With VMS, I could have done
rename *Bell*.doc .docx

is there a simple bash way to achieve this?

Last time I tried it required I loop through each file, remove
everything after the last dot, and rename it with the filename part just
extracted and hardcoding the "docx" at end.


Alternatively, is there a way to configure the mac to treat ".doc"
documents as ".docx" so the same application (Preview, Pages) will
accept them ?

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#118086

In article <e3TlD.36496$cL2.3015@fx43.iad>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:



> At the gui level, is there a way to select  all the Bell Mobility files
> and changing then from .doc to .docx so the Mac can quicklook or
> "Preview" of "Pages"  can open them ?

that's a bad idea, since doc and docx are different formats, and it
should be able to quicklook it without doing anything.




> 
> Alternatively, is there a way to configure the mac to treat ".doc"
> documents as ".docx" so the same application (Preview, Pages) will
> accept them ?

select one file, get info in finder, then choose the desired app in the
open with panel and click the change all... button.

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#118087

On 2018-09-11 13:50, nospam wrote:

> that's a bad idea, since doc and docx are different formats, and it
> should be able to quicklook it without doing anything.

Incumbent telcos and/or the CRTC feed us .docx file formats as .doc files.

> select one file, get info in finder, then choose the desired app in the
> open with panel and click the change all... button.

the .doc and .docx are opened by the right apps. It is the app itself
which complains about not being able to parse .doc file, but when you
rename file to .docx, the same app pens it nicely.

So this isn't a question of associating a different app to a file
expension, it is a question of telling apps such as Preview and Pages to
treat .doc as .docx if .doc parsing fails.

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#118088

In article <7lTlD.29011$nH2.17815@fx26.iad>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > that's a bad idea, since doc and docx are different formats, and it
> > should be able to quicklook it without doing anything.
> 
> Incumbent telcos and/or the CRTC feed us .docx file formats as .doc files.

they're incompetent. 

> > select one file, get info in finder, then choose the desired app in the
> > open with panel and click the change all... button.
> 
> the .doc and .docx are opened by the right apps. It is the app itself
> which complains about not being able to parse .doc file, but when you
> rename file to .docx, the same app pens it nicely.
> 
> So this isn't a question of associating a different app to a file
> expension, it is a question of telling apps such as Preview and Pages to
> treat .doc as .docx if .doc parsing fails.

no, it's a question of getting them to send you valid files.

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#118095

On 2018-09-11 17:56:18 +0000, JF Mezei said:
> On 2018-09-11 13:50, nospam wrote:
>> 
>> that's a bad idea, since doc and docx are different formats, and it
>> should be able to quicklook it without doing anything.
> 
> Incumbent telcos and/or the CRTC feed us .docx file formats as .doc files.

You need a better service provider with software isn't still stuck in 
the 1980s thinking files only have three letter filename extensions.



>> select one file, get info in finder, then choose the desired app in the
>> open with panel and click the change all... button.
> 
> the .doc and .docx are opened by the right apps. It is the app itself
> which complains about not being able to parse .doc file, but when you
> rename file to .docx, the same app pens it nicely.
> 
> So this isn't a question of associating a different app to a file
> expension, it is a question of telling apps such as Preview and Pages to
> treat .doc as .docx if .doc parsing fails.

You might be able to do it using A Better Finder Rename.
<http://www.publicspace.net/ABetterFinderRename/>

Automator should be able to do it. Via Folder Actions you could set it 
up to "watch" a folder and automatically change the .doc to .docx.

There are also a couple of 'butler' apps which will also do watch 
folder changes, but I can't recall the names at the moment.

*BUT*
the problem with any automated method will be files that truly are .doc 
format which you don't want to be changed. You would need something 
that can look inside the file to check which format it actually is 
before renaming the ones that do need to be done.

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#118096

On 2018-09-11 2:02 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-09-11 17:56:18 +0000, JF Mezei said:
>> On 2018-09-11 13:50, nospam wrote:
>>>
>>> that's a bad idea, since doc and docx are different formats, and it
>>> should be able to quicklook it without doing anything.
>>
>> Incumbent telcos and/or the CRTC feed us .docx file formats as .doc 
>> files.
> 
> You need a better service provider with software isn't still stuck in 
> the 1980s thinking files only have three letter filename extensions.
> 
> 
> 
>>> select one file, get info in finder, then choose the desired app in the
>>> open with panel and click the change all... button.
>>
>> the .doc and .docx are opened by the right apps. It is the app itself
>> which complains about not being able to parse .doc file, but when you
>> rename file to .docx, the same app pens it nicely.
>>
>> So this isn't a question of associating a different app to a file
>> expension, it is a question of telling apps such as Preview and Pages to
>> treat .doc as .docx if .doc parsing fails.
> 
> You might be able to do it using A Better Finder Rename.
> <http://www.publicspace.net/ABetterFinderRename/>
> 
> Automator should be able to do it. Via Folder Actions you could set it 
> up to "watch" a folder and automatically change the .doc to .docx.
> 
> There are also a couple of 'butler' apps which will also do watch folder 
> changes, but I can't recall the names at the moment.
> 
> *BUT*
> the problem with any automated method will be files that truly are .doc 
> format which you don't want to be changed. You would need something that 
> can look inside the file to check which format it actually is before 
> renaming the ones that do need to be done.
> 
> 

I think you'll find you're completely wrong about the idea that changing 
the extension of any file will bother the originating software in the least.

As you point out, you need something that looks inside the file to see 
what format is really being used, and there already is something:

The application that opens the file.

I just took a file I KNEW to be in the newer, ".docx" format and 
switched it's extension to ".doc".

Word opened it just fine.

So the only issue is for him in this case is that when a file has the 
".doc" extension, the QuickLook system fails to display its contents.

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#118103

On 2018-09-11, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>
> So the only issue is for him in this case is that when a file has the 
> ".doc" extension, the QuickLook system fails to display its contents.

That's a problem he seemingly created by renaming XML format Word
documents with the incorrect ".doc" extension though. I just checked and
QuickLook will display XML format Word documents with the correct
".docx" filename extension without issue.

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#118104

On 2018-09-11 3:21 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2018-09-11, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>>
>> So the only issue is for him in this case is that when a file has the
>> ".doc" extension, the QuickLook system fails to display its contents.
> 
> That's a problem he seemingly created by renaming XML format Word
> documents with the incorrect ".doc" extension though. I just checked and
> QuickLook will display XML format Word documents with the correct
> ".docx" filename extension without issue.
> 

But you've got it backwards:

'At the gui level, is there a way to select  all the Bell Mobility files
and changing then from .doc to .docx so the Mac can quicklook or
"Preview" of "Pages"  can open them ?'

He's receiving Word files with a ".doc" extension that are actually in 
DOCX format.

I've tested this. A file that works perfectly in QuickLook when it has a 
".docx" extension fails when you change the extension to ".doc".

Hence his desire to a bulk change.

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#118112

On 2018-09-11 22:27:31 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> On 2018-09-11 3:21 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2018-09-11, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So the only issue is for him in this case is that when a file has the
>>> ".doc" extension, the QuickLook system fails to display its contents.
>> 
>> That's a problem he seemingly created by renaming XML format Word
>> documents with the incorrect ".doc" extension though. I just checked and
>> QuickLook will display XML format Word documents with the correct
>> ".docx" filename extension without issue.
> 
> But you've got it backwards:
> 
> 'At the gui level, is there a way to select  all the Bell Mobility files
> and changing then from .doc to .docx so the Mac can quicklook or
> "Preview" of "Pages"  can open them ?'
> 
> He's receiving Word files with a ".doc" extension that are actually in 
> DOCX format.
> 
> I've tested this. A file that works perfectly in QuickLook when it has 
> a ".docx" extension fails when you change the extension to ".doc".
> 
> Hence his desire to a bulk change.

QuickLook also fails the other way around ... renaming a .doc to .docx

So batch renaming all .doc to .docx isn't really a solution unless you 
know exactly what type of file it really is.

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#118114

On 2018-09-11 6:51 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-09-11 22:27:31 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>> On 2018-09-11 3:21 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-11, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So the only issue is for him in this case is that when a file has the
>>>> ".doc" extension, the QuickLook system fails to display its contents.
>>>
>>> That's a problem he seemingly created by renaming XML format Word
>>> documents with the incorrect ".doc" extension though. I just checked and
>>> QuickLook will display XML format Word documents with the correct
>>> ".docx" filename extension without issue.
>>
>> But you've got it backwards:
>>
>> 'At the gui level, is there a way to select  all the Bell Mobility files
>> and changing then from .doc to .docx so the Mac can quicklook or
>> "Preview" of "Pages"  can open them ?'
>>
>> He's receiving Word files with a ".doc" extension that are actually in 
>> DOCX format.
>>
>> I've tested this. A file that works perfectly in QuickLook when it has 
>> a ".docx" extension fails when you change the extension to ".doc".
>>
>> Hence his desire to a bulk change.
> 
> QuickLook also fails the other way around ... renaming a .doc to .docx
> 
> So batch renaming all .doc to .docx isn't really a solution unless you 
> know exactly what type of file it really is.
> 

That's true, but if he knows his source is sending him docx format files 
only, then he doesn't need to check until QuickLook gives him a problem.

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#118133

On 2018-09-11, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
> On 2018-09-11 3:21 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2018-09-11, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>>>
>>> So the only issue is for him in this case is that when a file has the
>>> ".doc" extension, the QuickLook system fails to display its contents.
>> 
>> That's a problem he seemingly created by renaming XML format Word
>> documents with the incorrect ".doc" extension though. I just checked and
>> QuickLook will display XML format Word documents with the correct
>> ".docx" filename extension without issue.
>
> But you've got it backwards:
>
> 'At the gui level, is there a way to select  all the Bell Mobility files
> and changing then from .doc to .docx so the Mac can quicklook or
> "Preview" of "Pages"  can open them ?'
>
> He's receiving Word files with a ".doc" extension that are actually in 
> DOCX format.
>
> I've tested this. A file that works perfectly in QuickLook when it has a 
> ".docx" extension fails when you change the extension to ".doc".
>
> Hence his desire to a bulk change.

Then correcting the filenames should fix the problem.

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#118135

On 2018-09-13 8:15 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2018-09-11, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>> On 2018-09-11 3:21 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-11, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So the only issue is for him in this case is that when a file has the
>>>> ".doc" extension, the QuickLook system fails to display its contents.
>>>
>>> That's a problem he seemingly created by renaming XML format Word
>>> documents with the incorrect ".doc" extension though. I just checked and
>>> QuickLook will display XML format Word documents with the correct
>>> ".docx" filename extension without issue.
>>
>> But you've got it backwards:
>>
>> 'At the gui level, is there a way to select  all the Bell Mobility files
>> and changing then from .doc to .docx so the Mac can quicklook or
>> "Preview" of "Pages"  can open them ?'
>>
>> He's receiving Word files with a ".doc" extension that are actually in
>> DOCX format.
>>
>> I've tested this. A file that works perfectly in QuickLook when it has a
>> ".docx" extension fails when you change the extension to ".doc".
>>
>> Hence his desire to a bulk change.
> 
> Then correcting the filenames should fix the problem.
> 

Yes. It should. :-)

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#118123

On 2018-09-11 18:21, Jolly Roger wrote:

> That's a problem he seemingly created by renaming XML format Word
> documents with the incorrect ".doc" extension though. I just checked and
> QuickLook will display XML format Word documents with the correct
> ".docx" filename extension without issue.

It appears that in the Microsoft world, the software will open the .doc
file whethert its content are legacy word or current .xml and it creates
.doc file instead of .docx since it assumes software that opens such
files is able to automatically switch between legacy and XML file
formats when opening .doc

On the mac howeve, Quicklook, Pages and Preview doesn't have this
ability and it will only scan for legalcy format in .doc and only scan
for XML content in .docx, even when both file extensions point to the
same software.

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#118124

On 2018-09-12 10:42 AM, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2018-09-11 18:21, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> That's a problem he seemingly created by renaming XML format Word
>> documents with the incorrect ".doc" extension though. I just checked and
>> QuickLook will display XML format Word documents with the correct
>> ".docx" filename extension without issue.
> 
> It appears that in the Microsoft world, the software will open the .doc
> file whethert its content are legacy word or current .xml and it creates
> .doc file instead of .docx since it assumes software that opens such
> files is able to automatically switch between legacy and XML file
> formats when opening .doc

You're making some huge assumptions there that really aren't warranted.

> 
> On the mac howeve, Quicklook, Pages and Preview doesn't have this
> ability and it will only scan for legalcy format in .doc and only scan
> for XML content in .docx, even when both file extensions point to the
> same software.
> 

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#118134

On 2018-09-12, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-11 18:21, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> That's a problem he seemingly created by renaming XML format Word
>> documents with the incorrect ".doc" extension though. I just checked and
>> QuickLook will display XML format Word documents with the correct
>> ".docx" filename extension without issue.
>
> It appears that in the Microsoft world, the software will open the .doc
> file whethert its content are legacy word or current .xml and it creates
> .doc file instead of .docx since it assumes software that opens such
> files is able to automatically switch between legacy and XML file
> formats when opening .doc
>
> On the mac howeve, Quicklook, Pages and Preview doesn't have this
> ability and it will only scan for legalcy format in .doc and only scan
> for XML content in .docx, even when both file extensions point to the
> same software.

So fix the filenames. Problem solved.

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#118107

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:02:47 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:

>There are also a couple of 'butler' apps which will also do watch 
>folder changes, but I can't recall the names at the moment.

Hazel is pretty good.

-- 
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#118108

On 2018-09-11 6:39 PM, Elden wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:02:47 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> There are also a couple of 'butler' apps which will also do watch
>> folder changes, but I can't recall the names at the moment.
> 
> Hazel is pretty good.
> 

It's built in these days, folks.

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#118116

On 2018-09-12 01:44:49 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> On 2018-09-11 6:39 PM, Elden wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:02:47 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are also a couple of 'butler' apps which will also do watch
>>> folder changes, but I can't recall the names at the moment.
>> 
>> Hazel is pretty good.
> 
> It's built in these days, folks.

The Finder's built in file renaming options are extremely limited. Apps 
like 'Hazel' and 'A Better Finder Rename' are massively more flexible 
(perhaps too much so for some people). Technically you probably could 
re-create much, if not all, of what these apps can do using AppleScript 
/ Automator, but why bother re-inventing the wheel? 

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#118127

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> The Finder's built in file renaming options are extremely limited. Apps
> like 'Hazel' and 'A Better Finder Rename' are massively more flexible
> (perhaps too much so for some people). Technically you probably could
> re-create much, if not all, of what these apps can do using AppleScript
> / Automator, but why bother re-inventing the wheel? 

Hazel is quite good for automatic renaming. Of the non-automated GUI
apps, my favorite is Name Mangler. 

<https://manytricks.com/namemangler/>

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#118113

On 2018-09-12 01:39:11 +0000, Elden said:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:02:47 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> There are also a couple of 'butler' apps which will also do watch
>> folder changes, but I can't recall the names at the moment.
> 
> Hazel is pretty good.

Yep, Hazel is one I was thinking of, thanks.

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