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What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?

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#118001

From	Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Date	2018-09-04 01:42 +0000
Message-ID	<pmkntm$cfb$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#117559

*Each time Apple Apologist Lewis posts, we witness the mind of a child!* 

Here is yet another post, just now, by Apple Apologist Lewis, proving that
the Apple Apologists revel in blaming Android for Apple's poor decisions!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/FAU-w_lj0kQ/x4Y7q3rTBQAJ>

 "It's interesting that Android manufacturers do EXACTLY THE SAME THING,
  only they also fake their results on bacnhmarks, and yet not on the
  androolers seem to care about that."

Here is the analysis of the consistent actions of Apple Apologist Lewis:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/FAU-w_lj0kQ/z8jpRtXaBQAJ>

Notice that the child-like Apple Apologists can never argue based on actual
referenced facts - so what they tend to consistently do is blame Android
for Apple being "forced to" secretly, drastically, and permanently throttle
CPUs to less than half speed after about a year (and then it just gets
worse from there).

Facts don't have a place to fit in Apple Apologists imaginary belief system

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#118003

From	Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Date	2018-09-04 01:46 +0000
Message-ID	<pmko5a$cnv$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#117559

Notice proof today how the Apple Apologists consistently flatly deny facts!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/FAU-w_lj0kQ/UxgOGmzXBQAJ>

In this post, Rod Speed childishly and flatly denies facts by saying:
 "No you didn┤."

The analysis of Apple Apologists Rod Speeds own words is here:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/FAU-w_lj0kQ/lGWxQ2vaBQAJ>

Time and again, the Apple Apologist proves that facts have no place in
their imaginary belief systems. What the Apple Apologists like Rod Speed
consistently do is simply deny facts outright.

*Only then can they reconcile facts with their imaginary belief system.*

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#117568

From	Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Date	2018-07-30 05:01 +0000
Message-ID	<pjm63m$dfg$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#117556

On 23 Jul 2018 21:34:13 GMT, Elden wrote:

> You win a prize!

For future historians to note, please see that the Apple Apologists are not
normal adults in that they exhibit the odd traits explained in this thread
in almost every post. 

For example, just today, Jolly Roger both claimed that the sequence I
provided was *exactly* the same as his sequence...
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/lXUWgJT-vWc/lMisrs0zCgAJ>
And, he claimed that this exact same sequence was "more complex" than his.
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/lXUWgJT-vWc/_pnfZFsGCgAJ>

Simply because it showed a homescreen (where it appears that a homescreen
is "too much complexity" for the likes of Jolly Roger's brain to handle).

You can't be exact, and still be more complex if it's the same procedure!

Yet again, Jolly Roger, an average iOS user indeed, proves that...
. He brazenly & repeatedly fabricates wholly imaginary app functionality
. He then exclaims that it's been told to us many times how to do it! 
...
. He almost never backs up statements with actual referenced facts
. He incessantly plays childish semantic games when faced with those facts
...
. He consistently fabricates quoted content that never happened 
. He then wittily responds to that imaginary quoted content as if it did!
...
. He is never purposefully helpful by helping the OP answer the question
. He posts worthless retorts, all of which lack any added technical value
...
. He consistently blames Android for most of Apple's app & hardware faults 
. He consistently finds the absolute worst price:performance comparisons
...
. He actually believes that a well-documented process is too complex!
. He literally believes elapsed time is proof of actual resolution time

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#117569

From	Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Date	2018-07-30 05:11 +0000
Message-ID	<pjm6lo$e7u$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#117547

On 22 Jul 2018 19:44:07 GMT, Savageduck wrote:

> I really should minimize the pain

Not only does Jolly Roger dispute that the OP just gave up, but Jolly Roger
apparently disputes the technical acumen of David Empson himself.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/z3kVVoc-CAAJ>

Even I wouldn't dare dispute anything technical David Empson says.

The Apple Apologists will deny any fact that doesn't fit their imaginary
belief system!

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#117546

From	Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date	2018-07-22 19:40 -0700
Message-ID	<0001HW.210577980005036E7000029BB2CF@news.giganews.com>
In reply to	#117544

On Jul 22, 2018, Arlen Holder wrote
(in article <pj3csu$uj6$1@news.mixmin.net>):

> On 22 Jul 2018 18:29:20 GMT, Savageduck wrote:
>
> > which did nothing to solve the OP¢s problem since he was only using iOS
> > devices.
>
> Hi Savageduck,
>
> Let's be adults please.
>
> You may be used to conversing with less logical and less intelligent
> people, so what you just made up in your post may work with iOS gullible's,
> but it doesn't work with well-educated people because all your facts are
> dead wrong - and easily proven to be so.
>
> Meanwhile, I only speak fact.
> And I reference those facts.
> So I'm almost never wrong (facts are funny that way).

“Almost never wrong” an interseting position to take.
>
> You blamed my posts (which were all 100% factual and correct) for the OP's
> inability to do what is actually impossible to do on iOS (and the OP
> concurred with you).

I did not blame you or your posts for anything other than their irrelevance 
to the OP’s iOS problem. He did not need to hear about the wonders of 
Android.
>
> Bear in mind that the first person to tell the OP the truth was me, and the
> second person to tell the OP the truth was sms, and the third person to
> tell the OP the truth was David Empson.

Yeah, right?
>
> If Jolly Roger or nospam didn't incessantly fabricate their imaginary iOS
> functionality, the OP would have had those three valid factual responses as
> his answer.

Take that up with nospam and JR.
>
> As it was, nospam and Jolly Roger *repeatedly* fabricated imaginary iOS
> functionality such that the OP tried and failed and then simiply said
> following their advice was "too complicated" (since none of it stood a
> chance of working since it was all just made up).

Take that up with nospam and JR.
>
> Meanwhile, while you deprecate the functionality discussions that I
> provided,

...and all that blather related to Android, and not the OP’s iOS problem.

> you ignore that you yourself posted completely unrelated battery
> backup information to that thread, all the while you deprecate the
> functional information I posted.

There exists in the Usenet world a thing called Thread drift. The Thread 
drifted when both you and SMS started discussing the benefits of user 
replaceble batteries, and SD card. So the individual who started the 
unrelated thread drift was you. I merely responded to SMS’s response to 
you.
>
> > If you read, and comprehend my only post in that thread
>
> What's amazing is that you posted *multieple times* in that thread, where
> you already forgot that you posted this:
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/gPeVojoiCAAJ>
> which talks about completely unrealated sandisk products.

All of that was addressed above. Note that it is a response to SMS
>
> And then you posted this, also completely unrelated issue:
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/62UPEo0iCAAJ>

All of that was addressed above. Note that it is a response to SMS.
>
> And then this completely unrelated issue:
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/0quzhQAnCAAJ>

All of that was addressed above, but this time in response to nospam in the 
same sub-thread..
>
> Before you then posted this statment that my facts caused iOS to not be
> able to do what DAvid Empson, me, and sms already told the OP that iOS
> can't do.

Nope! I said no such thing. You need to read and comprehend.
>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/ooCFANY5CAAJ>
>
> *The fact is you provided exactly 0 facts to help the OP solve the problem!*

Correct. Other than repeating what others had said regarding using iTunes and 
backups within the Apple system I had nothing to add. However, I did comment 
on my observation of what had happened in the thread, and the totally useless 
Android contribution you made.
As you have noted elsewhere, the OP agreed with my summation.
>
> *The fact is you posted completely unrelated drivel about batteries.*

Drivel is in the eye of the beholder. I was just responding to thread drift 
which you initiated. For real drivel you should engage in some self analysis.
>
> *The fact is you then blamed my factual posts, for the OP's failures.*

Actually that is not a fact. That is your response to an accurate 
representation of the thread as it developed, and matured with the OP making 
a simple choice to replace the app in question.
>
> Those are the facts.

You wouldn’t recognise a fact if it slapped you in the face.

-- 

Regards,
Savageduck

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#117548

From	Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Date	2018-07-23 03:03 +0000
Message-ID	<pj3gi2$4lp$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#117546

On 22 Jul 2018 19:40:24 GMT, Savageduck wrote:

> I did not blame you or your posts for anything other than their irrelevance 
> to the OP┬ iOS problem. He did not need to hear about the wonders of 
> Android.

Neither did he need to hear you spew the wonders of your Sandisk choices,
now did he?

At least I answered the OP's question.
And, more importantly, I answered it correctly.

You did neither.
That is a fact.

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#117549

From	Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date	2018-07-22 23:24 -0700
Message-ID	<0001HW.2105AC23001153E37000029BB2CF@news.giganews.com>
In reply to	#117548

On Jul 22, 2018, Arlen Holder wrote
(in article <pj3gi2$4lp$1@news.mixmin.net>):

> On 22 Jul 2018 19:40:24 GMT, Savageduck wrote:
>
> > I did not blame you or your posts for anything other than their irrelevance
> > to the OP¢s iOS problem. He did not need to hear about the wonders of
> > Android.
>
> Neither did he need to hear you spew the wonders of your Sandisk choices,
> now did he?

...and yet you believe that it was just fine for you to spew the stuff which 
led to me to tell you that Sandisk had storage solutions for both iOS and 
Android. That seems to be a tad hypocritical of you.

I am sure you remember typing the following:

"I can populate an SD card with up to 2 terabytes of data (if I had a card 
that big, but which my phone can accept if I had it).
Most of my phones are 8GB or 16GB, so it's nice to have that extra 256GB of 
storage on the SD Cards, which is *impossible* on iOS. My latest device is 
32GB and I've already used up 28GB with movies (each of which is around 4GB) 
and apps (where I have over a hundred and fifty apps installed, many of which 
are map apps with their data).

So when I pop in an SD Card, to extend my 32GB even further, you seem to 
consider that a "bad thing”.”

"I can 'juggle an SD card of up to 2TB size if I want to and I immediately 
have more storage for my APKs, map data, and a/v media.”

and regarding what led to my comments regarding batteries, you said the 
following:

"HINT: I can go on a camping trip and bring a half-dozen batteries if I want 
to, and I won't need to charge them since I never buy an Android phone 
anymore that doesn't allow me to "juggle" and SD card and a removable battery 
- neither of which functionality is available on any iOS device ever sold."
>
> At least I answered the OP's question.
> And, more importantly, I answered it correctly.

You did neither. You talk of Dunning-Kruger, and yet you fail to understand 
how it relates to all of your behaviour. You fail to recognize your own 
“blind spots” which makes your self assesment faulty. You just don’t 
know, care to admit that there are things you do not know.

> You did neither.

At no point did I claim to to provide him a solution, but I expanded your 
thread drift regarding SD cards, and batteries.

...and that is a fact.

> That is a fact.

-- 

Regards,
Savageduck

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#117553

From	Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Date	2018-07-23 16:01 +0000
Message-ID	<pj4u4r$ge4$2@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#117549

On 22 Jul 2018 23:24:35 GMT, Savageduck wrote:

> ...and yet you believe that it was just fine for you to spew the stuff which 
> led to me to tell you that Sandisk had storage solutions for both iOS and 
> Android. That seems to be a tad hypocritical of you.

Hi Savageduck,

Thanks for that post above because it proves that your belief system is
comprised of imaginary circumstances, completely devoid of facts. 

Do you see the "game" you Apple Apologists are always playing?
a. I answered the question, and talked about "other stuff".
b. All you did was talk about other stuff
c. Then you blamed the OP's failure on my posts.

Those are facts.

Since you're an Apple Apologist, you can't comprehend the simplest things:
A. Not only did I very clearly answer the OP's question, 
B. But I also agreed with sms, David Empson, and Ziady036, 
C. And I *refuted* the outrageous imaginary claims of nospam & JR.

Those are facts. 

Since you're an Apple Apologists, you see *none* of that.
All you see is the word 'Android' and you blamed that for the OP's failure.

Since you're an Apple Apologists, let me be very clear:
1. You didn't once attempt to help the OP
2. You didn't once refute the outrageous claims by nospam and JR
3. You didn't once even agree with the correct answers made by other

Those are facts.

Both of us talked about off-topic tangents, and yet, you equate your
completely useless posts to the sum total of all my posts, which at least
(in multiple ways), helped answer the OP's question.

Do you see why you're a classic Apple Apologist, Savageduck?

*Your entire belief system is built upon a foundation lacking facts!*

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#117550

From	Johan <JHvB@nospam.invalid>
Date	2018-07-23 10:53 +0200
Message-ID	<pj4523$8c9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#117542

Op 23-jul.-18 om 02:42 schreef Arlen Holder:
> What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the typical iOS
> poster on this newsgroup?
> 
> The question is a psychological one where the Apple Apologists have, for
> decades, almost all exhibited the following common traits which have caused
> endless discussions because Apple Apologists don't seem to like facts.
> 
> Here are the nine commonly exhibited traits of *all* the Apple Apologists:
> * They're never purposefully helpful whenever they don't like the question
> * They brazenly & repeatedly fabricate wholly imaginary iOS functionality
> * They then exclaim that they told us many times how to do it! :)
> * They always "just guess" where their credibility is worthless
> * They almost never back up their statements with any referenced facts
> * They incessantly play silly childish word games when faced with facts
> * They consistently fabricate quoted content that never happened
> * Then they respond to that imaginary quoted content as if it did!
> * They consistently blame Android for the lack of functionality on iOS
> 
> What's psychologically interesting is that in this post, Savageduck yet
> again blames Android for an OP's inability to do what he wants using iOS!
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/ooCFANY5CAAJ>
> 
> The OP of that thread concurred, that it was Android's fault that he
> couldn't copy an app from one iOS device to another!
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/7Qqc3f1dCAAJ>
> 
> Meanwhile, Jolly Roger yet again wholly fabricated imaginary iOS
> functionality for the poor OP to attempt to follow (and fail), since both
> nospam and Jolly Roger incessantly fabricate iOS functionality that just
> doesn't exist, whenever they see a technical question that they don't like.
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/SGhljjBYCAAJ>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/VqzlcQ0hCAAJ>
> 
> When the OP tried Jolly Roger's fabricated method, is it any surprise it
> failed?
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/C78-NjwnCAAJ>
> 
> NOTE: Often Jolly Roger responds with hate-filled fifth-grade vitriol when
> confronted with facts, but in this particular test thread, he remained calm
> so we won't add that to the common traits.
> 
> Of course, nospam not only fabricates imaginary iOS functionality:
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/Cf3bIIcQCAAJ>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/1YHAnJEnCAAJ>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/jsxtlTchCAAJ>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/3naulH4cCAAJ>
> But nospam also claims that he's told us how to do (what can't be done)
> many times, and we just won't listen to him.
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/yk6sP4I2CAAJ>
> And even better, nospam claims that people have been successful with their
> imaginary iOS functioanlity!
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/HZYE3iscCAAJ>
> 
> And yet, I told the OP it can't be done (because it can't be done).
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/7rHAL_QXCAAJ>
> 
> And so did sms, who is another credible poster on the iOS newsgroups who is
> almost never wrong simply because he speaks facts. (Facts are funny that
> way.)
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/u21p0MMaCAAJ>
> 
> Meanwhile, David Empson, the most knowedgeable and credible poster on the
> iOs newsgroups by far, backed up what both sms and I said:
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/z3kVVoc-CAAJ>
> 
> Hence, the question is a psychological one where the Apple Apologists have,
> for decades, almost all exhibited the following common traits:
> * They're never purposefully helpful whenever they don't like the question
> * They brazenly & repeatedly fabricate wholly imaginary iOS functionality
> * They then exclaim that they told us many times how to do it! :)
> * They always "just guess" where their credibility is worthless
> * They almost never back up their statements with any referenced facts
> * They incessantly play silly childish word games when faced with facts
> * They consistently fabricate quoted content that never happened
> * Then they respond to that imaginary quoted content as if it did!
> * They consistently blame Android for the lack of functionality on iOS
> 
> Are those the common psychological traits of all the Apple Apologists?
> 
Very, very boring! Go and play outside, take a drive in the country, do 
something usefull, anything else than being behind your computer all 
day, start getting your live back, f**k your wife although I think you 
don't have one because who wants to live with such an obsessed person 
like you. Go find a good psychiater to get rid off your obsession.

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#117554

From	Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Date	2018-07-24 00:28 +0000
Message-ID	<pj5rqm$30p$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#117550

On 23 Jul 2018 01:53:22 GMT, Johan wrote:

> Very, very boring! Go and play outside, take a drive in the country, do 
> something usefull, anything else than being behind your computer all 
> day, start getting your live back, f**k your wife although I think you 
> don't have one because who wants to live with such an obsessed person 
> like you. Go find a good psychiater to get rid off your obsession.

Most people on this newsgroup use the chitchat model, where they speak
drivel day in and day out, which is fine, as long as they respect adult
posters who ask related questions. 

Funny you mention taking a drive though, as I'm replacing a clutch at this
very moment, where, interestingly, the Apple Apologist Wade Garrett has
been trolling that automotive technical thread with his incessant drivel.

It's a classic Apple Apologist move to childishly stalk a poster like Wade
Garrett is currently doing and which Snit did for 800 posts!

The Apple Apologists like Wade Garrett prove themselves to be children
every time they post.

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#117560

From	Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com>
Date	2018-07-25 08:10 -0700
Message-ID	<011d213f-e3a0-46f8-bfac-115a5d94c48a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#117542

On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 8:42:36 PM UTC-4, Arlen Holder wrote:
> What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the typical iOS
> poster on this newsgroup?
> 
> The question is a psychological one where the Apple Apologists have, for
> decades, almost all exhibited the following common traits which have caused
> endless discussions because Apple Apologists don't seem to like facts.
> 
> Here are the nine commonly exhibited traits of *all* the Apple Apologists:
> * They're never purposefully helpful whenever they don't like the question
> * They brazenly & repeatedly fabricate wholly imaginary iOS functionality
> * They then exclaim that they told us many times how to do it! :)
> * They always "just guess" where their credibility is worthless
> * They almost never back up their statements with any referenced facts
> * They incessantly play silly childish word games when faced with facts
> * They consistently fabricate quoted content that never happened
> * Then they respond to that imaginary quoted content as if it did!
> * They consistently blame Android for the lack of functionality on iOS 
> 
> What's psychologically interesting is that in this post, Savageduck yet
> again blames Android for an OP's inability to do what he wants using iOS!
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/ooCFANY5CAAJ>
> 
> The OP of that thread concurred, that it was Android's fault that he
> couldn't copy an app from one iOS device to another! 
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/7Qqc3f1dCAAJ>
> 
> Meanwhile, Jolly Roger yet again wholly fabricated imaginary iOS
> functionality for the poor OP to attempt to follow (and fail), since both
> nospam and Jolly Roger incessantly fabricate iOS functionality that just
> doesn't exist, whenever they see a technical question that they don't like.
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/SGhljjBYCAAJ>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/VqzlcQ0hCAAJ>
> 
> When the OP tried Jolly Roger's fabricated method, is it any surprise it
> failed?
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/C78-NjwnCAAJ>
> 
> NOTE: Often Jolly Roger responds with hate-filled fifth-grade vitriol when
> confronted with facts, but in this particular test thread, he remained calm
> so we won't add that to the common traits.
> 
> Of course, nospam not only fabricates imaginary iOS functionality:
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/Cf3bIIcQCAAJ>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/1YHAnJEnCAAJ>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/jsxtlTchCAAJ>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/3naulH4cCAAJ>
> But nospam also claims that he's told us how to do (what can't be done)
> many times, and we just won't listen to him.
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/yk6sP4I2CAAJ>
> And even better, nospam claims that people have been successful with their
> imaginary iOS functioanlity!
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/HZYE3iscCAAJ>
> 
> And yet, I told the OP it can't be done (because it can't be done).
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/7rHAL_QXCAAJ>
> 
> And so did sms, who is another credible poster on the iOS newsgroups who is
> almost never wrong simply because he speaks facts. (Facts are funny that
> way.)
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/u21p0MMaCAAJ>
> 
> Meanwhile, David Empson, the most knowedgeable and credible poster on the
> iOs newsgroups by far, backed up what both sms and I said:
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/z3kVVoc-CAAJ>
> 
> Hence, the question is a psychological one where the Apple Apologists have,
> for decades, almost all exhibited the following common traits:
> * They're never purposefully helpful whenever they don't like the question
> * They brazenly & repeatedly fabricate wholly imaginary iOS functionality
> * They then exclaim that they told us many times how to do it! :)
> * They always "just guess" where their credibility is worthless
> * They almost never back up their statements with any referenced facts
> * They incessantly play silly childish word games when faced with facts
> * They consistently fabricate quoted content that never happened
> * Then they respond to that imaginary quoted content as if it did!
> * They consistently blame Android for the lack of functionality on iOS 
> 
> Are those the common psychological traits of all the Apple Apologists?

This is something which I have never understood. Why do those who detest Apple insist on posting on Apple groups? Why don't they just stay away? When I post on Linux or Windows groups it is usually because I need some information. I don't attack the platform; it is been my observation that those who attack the platform, in whatever group, get very little information. I don't attack the posters; it has been my observation that those who attack the posters also get very little information. (At least I don't attack the posters _first_; should a poster launch on me, I launch back. I am considering going to the trouble of getting a real newsreader to replace Google Groups and getting it approved by Corporate so that I can have, among other things, a killfile and simply remove annoyances. Does anyone have any suggestions for a free newsreader which has killfile capability for Windows 7 or Windows 10 or Ubuntu? Unfortunately I can't use Macs at work.)

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#117579 — Re: What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?

From	Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr>
Date	2018-08-04 17:19 +0200
Subject	Re: What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
Message-ID	<fslughF7fj1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#117560

On 2018-07-25 15:10:45 +0000, Panthera Tigris Altaica said:

> 
> [ … ]
> 
> This is something which I have never understood. Why do those who 
> detest Apple insist on posting on Apple groups? Why don't they just 
> stay away?

Unless I'm confusing you with someone else you are active at 
talk.origins, where one can ask exactly the same question: Why do those 
who detest any idea of evolution insist on posting at talk.origins? Why 
don't they just stay away?

> When I post on Linux or Windows groups it is usually because I need 
> some information. I don't attack the platform; it is been my 
> observation that those who attack the platform, in whatever group, get 
> very little information. I don't attack the posters; it has been my 
> observation that those who attack the posters also get very little 
> information. (At least I don't attack the posters _first_; should a 
> poster launch on me, I launch back. I am considering going to the 
> trouble of getting a real newsreader to replace Google Groups and 
> getting it approved by Corporate so that I can have, among other 
> things, a killfile and simply remove annoyances. Does anyone have any 
> suggestions for a free newsreader which has killfile capability for 
> Windows 7 or Windows 10 or Ubuntu? Unfortunately I can't use Macs at 
> work.)


-- 
athel

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#117580 — Re: What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?

From	Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com>
Date	2018-08-04 15:29 -0700
Subject	Re: What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
Message-ID	<1437af4e-f639-43b2-a9d6-cf976f14e6fa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#117579

On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 11:19:49 AM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2018-07-25 15:10:45 +0000, Panthera Tigris Altaica said:
> 
> > 
> > [ … ]
> > 
> > This is something which I have never understood. Why do those who 
> > detest Apple insist on posting on Apple groups? Why don't they just 
> > stay away?
> 
> Unless I'm confusing you with someone else you are active at 
> talk.origins, where one can ask exactly the same question: Why do those 
> who detest any idea of evolution insist on posting at talk.origins? Why 
> don't they just stay away?

The majority of creationists on t.o are there because they are religious fanatics and are also not particularly bright. Are you suggesting that the Apple-haters have similar reasons?

> 
> > When I post on Linux or Windows groups it is usually because I need 
> > some information. I don't attack the platform; it is been my 
> > observation that those who attack the platform, in whatever group, get 
> > very little information. I don't attack the posters; it has been my 
> > observation that those who attack the posters also get very little 
> > information. (At least I don't attack the posters _first_; should a 
> > poster launch on me, I launch back. I am considering going to the 
> > trouble of getting a real newsreader to replace Google Groups and 
> > getting it approved by Corporate so that I can have, among other 
> > things, a killfile and simply remove annoyances. Does anyone have any 
> > suggestions for a free newsreader which has killfile capability for 
> > Windows 7 or Windows 10 or Ubuntu? Unfortunately I can't use Macs at 
> > work.)
> 
> 
> -- 
> athel

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#117564

From	Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date	2018-07-25 23:28 -0500
Message-ID	<slrnplijf8.3ef.timmcn@sugaree.local>
In reply to	#117542

On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 00:42:34 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder 
<arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> Are those the common psychological traits of all the Apple Apologists?

Really, dude, if you're gonna try to troll a Usenet newsgroup you should 
learn how first.  Cheers!

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#117566

From	Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Date	2018-07-29 03:30 +0000
Message-ID	<pjjcc3$ef$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#117542

Thanks to how nospam and Jolly Roger handled this thread today, we can add
two more very common traits of the Apple Apologists!
  How does one upload voice memo recording to a web site directly from an iPhone? 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/lXUWgJT-vWc[1-25]>

. They assume if every step of a process is documented, then it's complex
. They assume elapsed time is proof of actual time spent in resolution

That makes the current list of repeated traits the following:
===========================================================================
. They brazenly & repeatedly fabricate wholly imaginary iOS functionality
. They then exclaim that it's been told to us many times how to do it! 
...
. They almost never back up statements with any referenced facts
. They incessantly play silly childish word games when faced with facts
...
. They consistently fabricate quoted content that never happened
. Then they respond to that imaginary quoted content as if it did!
...
. They're never purposefully helpful whenever the question isn't liked
. They post worthless retorts without caring about lack of credibility
...
. They consistently blame Android for most of the iOS related problems
...
. They assume if every step of a process is documented, then it's complex
. They assume elapsed time is proof of actual time spent in resolution
===========================================================================
REFERENCE THIS POST MADE JUST NOW BY nospam!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/lXUWgJT-vWc/6GdDHnwFCgAJ>

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#117567

From	Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Date	2018-07-30 04:56 +0000
Message-ID	<pjm5p9$d0n$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#117542

There is proof of almost all the common psychological traits of the Apple
Apologists today in this fantastically revealing eye-opening thread today:
  How does one upload voice memo recording to a web site directly from an iPhone? 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/lXUWgJT-vWc[1-25]>

For example, Jolly Roger, just moments ago, actually denied that the OP,
Wade Garrett, of this thread, failed at the task, where Jolly Roger and
nospam both had repeatedly screamed their imaginary iOS functionality would
work for the OP:
  Copy App from iPad to iPad Mini 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw>

Jolly Roger claimed in this post moments ago that the OP was successful
following Jolly Roger's (and nospam's) imaginary iOS functionality!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/lXUWgJT-vWc/ZC2i4_hDCgAJ>

And yet, the OP of that thread clearly told the OP that it didn't work!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/C78-NjwnCAAJ>

Meanwhile, David Empson, the most knowledgeable iOS poster by far, clearly
says what the OP wants to do is impossible, which the OP agrees with!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/lXUWgJT-vWc/WTkoc1hBCgAJ>

And yet, Jolly Roger _still_ claims his imaginary functionality exists!
Even though not only David Empson, but the OP himself concluded it was
impossible!

Yet again, Jolly Roger exhibits one or more of these consistent traits:
. He brazenly & repeatedly fabricates wholly imaginary app functionality
. He then exclaims that it's been told to us many times how to do it! 
...
. He almost never backs up statements with actual referenced facts
. He incessantly plays childish semantic games when faced with those facts
...
. He consistently fabricates quoted content that never happened 
. He then wittily responds to that imaginary quoted content as if it did!
...
. He is never purposefully helpful by helping the OP answer the question
. He posts worthless retorts, all of which lack any added technical value
...
. He consistently blames Android for most of Apple's app & hardware faults 
. He consistently finds the absolute worst price:performance comparisons
...
. He actually believes that a well-documented process is too complex!
. He literally believes elapsed time is proof of actual resolution time.

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#117619

From	Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Date	2018-08-07 03:22 +0000
Message-ID	<pkb38n$1a7$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#117567

On 30 Jul 2018 04:56:10 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> Yet again, Jolly Roger exhibits one or more of these consistent traits:

There is another consistent psychological trait of the Apple Apologists
which showed itself in spades in this recent thread:
  How does one upload voice memo recording to a web site directly from an iPhone? 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/lXUWgJT-vWc[1-25]>

In that thread, both Jolly Roger and nospam, when caught brazenly
fabricating imaginary iOS functionality, insist, beyond any possibility of
adult comprehensive logic, that "a cloud" is the same as a single web site
domain using the HTTP protocol!

Thinking of why the Apple Apologists are not normal people in that they
repeatedly make such brazenly fabricated assessments, I think it's not that
the Apple Apologists are as incredibly stupid as their statements make them
appear to be.

I think they just hate facts.
*Facts don't fit into their existing imaginary belief system.*

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#117621

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2018-08-07 03:40 +0000
Message-ID	<fssikhFmb43U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#117619

On 2018-08-07, Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 30 Jul 2018 04:56:10 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:
>
>> Yet again, Jolly Roger exhibits one or more of these consistent traits:
>
> There is another consistent psychological trait of the Apple Apologists
> which showed itself in spades in this recent thread:
>   How does one upload voice memo recording to a web site directly from an iPhone? 
><https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/lXUWgJT-vWc[1-25]>
>
> In that thread, both Jolly Roger and nospam, when caught brazenly
> fabricating imaginary iOS functionality

Uploading a voice memo recording directly to a website from iOS is not
fabricated or imaginary functionality, no matter how many time you claim
it is. It's basic functionality that is brain-dead easy for anyone to
use, as shown here:

<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/usenet/ios-voice-recordings/clyp_test.mp4>

> insist, beyond any possibility of
> adult comprehensive logic, that "a cloud" is the same as a single web site
> domain using the HTTP protocol!

Misrepresenting what I said isn't going to fly, trollboi. Anyone who can
read can see what I said is: "The cloud is the internet. The internet is
the cloud.", which is 100% factual and correct.

> I think they just hate facts.

Projection. All you do is lie.

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JR

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#117622

From	Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
Date	2018-08-07 04:29 +0000
Message-ID	<pkb76b$7tp$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#117621

On 6 Aug 2018 20:40:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> "The cloud is the internet. The internet is
> the cloud.", which is 100% factual and correct.

Hehhehheh ... you prove me right in every post!

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#117628

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2018-08-07 15:29 +0000
Message-ID	<fsts7eFu85U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#117622

On 2018-08-07, Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 6 Aug 2018 20:40:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> "The cloud is the internet. The internet is
>> the cloud.", which is 100% factual and correct.
>
> Hehhehheh ... you prove me right in every post!

Go ahead and try to explain to the world why you believe the cloud is
not the internet, doofus.

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