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  WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 09:03 +1200
    Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-04 17:13 -0400
      Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 18:17 -0700
        Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-04 21:38 -0400
          Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 23:09 -0700
          Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:25 +0000
            Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 06:41 -0700
        Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 13:57 +1200
          Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-04 23:18 -0400
            Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-04 23:20 -0400
              Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:31 +0000
                Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 09:33 -0400
                  Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 16:21 +0000
                    Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 12:35 -0400
                      Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-06 01:25 +0000
                        Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 21:29 -0400
                      Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-05 21:44 -0400
                        Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-05 22:04 -0400
                        Re: WWDC 2018 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-06 14:29 +1200
                          Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 00:42 -0400
                          Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 01:05 -0400
                            Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 01:16 -0400
                            Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 18:46 +1200
                              Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 03:22 -0400
                                Re: WWDC 2018 Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2018-06-06 08:45 +0000
                                  Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 12:11 -0400
                                    Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 09:22 -0700
                                    Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 12:27 -0400
                                Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 10:35 -0400
                              Re: WWDC 2018 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-06 22:20 +1200
                                Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 12:17 -0400
                                  Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 12:27 -0400
                                    Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 12:34 -0400
                                      Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 12:40 -0400
                                      Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 10:10 -0700
                                      Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 13:33 -0700
                                      Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 14:57 +1200
                                        Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-07 03:19 -0400
                                          Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-08 09:32 +1200
                                            Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 00:45 -0700
                                            Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 06:45 -0700
                                  Re: WWDC 2018 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-07 13:49 +1200
                                    Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 20:21 -0700
                                Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 09:23 +1200
                                  Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 17:40 -0400
                                    Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-07 01:12 +0000
                                  Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 16:25 -0700
                            Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 03:19 -0400
                        Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-06 06:37 +0000
                          Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 03:23 -0400
                    Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 18:04 +0000
                      Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-06 01:24 +0000
                    Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 12:41 -0700
                Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 18:03 +0000
            Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-04 23:31 -0400
            Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-04 23:39 -0400
            Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 00:36 -0400
            Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:30 +0000
          Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 23:15 -0700
            Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 18:40 +1200
              Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-05 00:49 -0700
                Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 13:31 +1200
                  Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-05 18:36 -0700
                    Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 15:25 +1200
              Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 09:33 -0400
        Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 23:18 -0700
          Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:26 +0000
            Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-05 08:11 -0700
              Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 16:19 +0000
          Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 18:00 +0000
            Re: WWDC 2018 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2018-06-05 22:32 +0200
              Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 21:13 +0000
        Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:24 +0000
    Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 13:30 +1200
      Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 00:07 -0700
    Re: WWDC 2018 Peter Kozlov <peter.kozlov@blacksea.design> - 2018-06-05 14:33 -0700
      Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 13:37 +1200
        Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 21:44 -0400
      Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 22:10 -0700
    Re: WWDC 2018 Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2018-06-07 12:12 +0000
      Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-07 15:59 -0400
      Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-08 14:00 +1200

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#117179

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 2:32:15 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-06-07 07:19:24 +0000, JF Mezei said:
> 
> > Re: widthdrawal of 32 bits.
> > 
> > It would be nice if Apple made the 32bit APIs as an optional install for
> > as long as they work.
> 
> It will be an "optional install" ... by using a third-party emaultion / 
> virtualisation app to run an older macOS version.  ;-)



By following 'social warriors' like that you get concepts like 'equality'. Carried to its (un)reasonable slippery slope, the concept that it's 'gross' for a conservative male to not wish to date a dead body is born. Now Flatfish on the other end of the shit doesn't matter. All that matters is Script Troller gets to deliver his flood. So how to respond? Don't pay attention the nonsense. Reason isn't part of plot and never was. Just about everything Script Troller says about anyone is a lie but he thinks he is fooling people. Everyone is Script Troller -- the oldest gag in the book. 

I thought showing him I know where he lives might help the situation. It did not. 

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#117145

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 2018-06-06 06:20, David Empson wrote:
> 
> > otool -L can be used to examine which frameworks are used by an
> > application's executable file.
> 
> 
> > 10.15 version of QuickTime Player will eliminate the dependency on QTKit
> > and indirect dependency on QuickTime. That may mean it loses the ability
> > to convert at least some older video formats.

Footnote to that point: there is also a QTMovieModernizer framework
(introduced in macOS 10.9 at the same time as QuickTime and QTKit were
deprecated) which is supposed to be used by applications instead of
QTKit if their only need for QuickTime is to convert old video foramts
to use with AVFoundation. It will continue to be available in macOS
10.15 but I haven't looked into it to see which codecs it supports.

It appears that the High Sierra version of QuickTime Player is still
using QTKit to do conversions (probably so that it has access to the
full range of QuickTime codecs including third party ones), but future
versions will switch to QTMovieModernizer (with a smaller set of
supported formats).

> Is there a means to test a video file to know whether it an be handled
> by avfoundation or requires older quyicktime codecs?

Not precisely, because that depends on knowing which formats will be
supported in a future OS which nobody outside Apple will see for a year.

The obvious solution is to keep an old OS handy in case you need to
convert old video formats. A VM would suffice.

> akaL: scan system for videos that need converting to newer codec/format
> now, before we lose the ability to do so.
> 
> or does ffmpeg basically cover the whole gamut and quicktime framework
> not absolutely necessary for those older videos ?

There may be some obscure formats that ffmpeg does not support, but
which do have QuickTime codecs.

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dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#117153

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 6:49:58 PM UTC-7, David Empson wrote:
> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
> > On 2018-06-06 06:20, David Empson wrote:
> > 
> > > otool -L can be used to examine which frameworks are used by an
> > > application's executable file.
> > 
> > 
> > > 10.15 version of QuickTime Player will eliminate the dependency on QTKit
> > > and indirect dependency on QuickTime. That may mean it loses the ability
> > > to convert at least some older video formats.
> 
> Footnote to that point: there is also a QTMovieModernizer framework
> (introduced in macOS 10.9 at the same time as QuickTime and QTKit were
> deprecated) which is supposed to be used by applications instead of
> QTKit if their only need for QuickTime is to convert old video foramts
> to use with AVFoundation. It will continue to be available in macOS
> 10.15 but I haven't looked into it to see which codecs it supports.
> 
> It appears that the High Sierra version of QuickTime Player is still
> using QTKit to do conversions (probably so that it has access to the
> full range of QuickTime codecs including third party ones), but future
> versions will switch to QTMovieModernizer (with a smaller set of
> supported formats).
> 
> > Is there a means to test a video file to know whether it an be handled
> > by avfoundation or requires older quyicktime codecs?
> 
> Not precisely, because that depends on knowing which formats will be
> supported in a future OS which nobody outside Apple will see for a year.
> 
> The obvious solution is to keep an old OS handy in case you need to
> convert old video formats. A VM would suffice.
> 
> > akaL: scan system for videos that need converting to newer codec/format
> > now, before we lose the ability to do so.
> > 
> > or does ffmpeg basically cover the whole gamut and quicktime framework
> > not absolutely necessary for those older videos ?
> 
> There may be some obscure formats that ffmpeg does not support, but
> which do have QuickTime codecs.
> 
> -- 
> David Empson
> dempson@actrix.gen.nz



Jeff Relf and the advocates suggest searching for a recommendation for a Linux application is wrong. I do not know if there is a no-cost open source program to handle such tasks. He disturbs multiple groups of people who have nothing to do with anything, but that's a self-centered troll for you. What Jeff Relf and I care about isn't a factor. Linux is a false advocate's only reason for living. Real discussion will be destroyed once the trolls overpopulate. That and there will regularly be a tantrum thrower or two in an open usenet group. The flooding BS aside, we've all seen who often gets angry when he doesn't get anyone to shill for him. 

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#117135

On 2018-06-06 10:20:07 +0000, David Empson said:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> On 2018-06-06 05:05:55 +0000, JF Mezei said:
>>> 
>>> Out of curiosity, what has replaced Quicktime in terms of framework to
>>> play videos?
>>> 
>>> When the Quicktime framework goes away, does this imply that the
>>> Quicktime app goes too, or would that app be updated to make use of
>>> whatever framework is available to play movies?  (or has it already been
>>> updated as of High Sierra ?
>>> 
>>> What still makes use of Quicktime in terms of popular apps?
>> 
>> Quicktime hasn't and isn't going anywhere. It used for a ton of stuff,
>> not just playing videos.
> 
> The QuickTime framework certainly will be going away. The Platforms
> State of the Union address at WWDC listed QuickTime as one of the 32-bit
> frameworks that will be removed in macOS 10.15 next year.

Quicktime itself isn't going anywhere.



> Applications which depend on QuickTime or other parts of Carbon are all
> 32-bit and cannot update to 64-bit without eliminating their use of
> QuickTime and other parts of Carbon. If that doesn't happen, the
> application won't work in macOS 10.15.

That's up to the app developers to fix.

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#117137

In article <pf9jcv$1t29$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> >> Quicktime hasn't and isn't going anywhere. It used for a ton of stuff,
> >> not just playing videos.
> > 
> > The QuickTime framework certainly will be going away. The Platforms
> > State of the Union address at WWDC listed QuickTime as one of the 32-bit
> > frameworks that will be removed in macOS 10.15 next year.
> 
> Quicktime itself isn't going anywhere.

for developers, it absolutely is.

for users, it's a marketing name for what is internally avfoundation.

apps that use the old quicktime framework *will* need to be rewritten.

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#117142

On 2018-06-06, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <pf9jcv$1t29$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
><YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Quicktime hasn't and isn't going anywhere. It used for a ton of stuff,
>> >> not just playing videos.
>> > 
>> > The QuickTime framework certainly will be going away. The Platforms
>> > State of the Union address at WWDC listed QuickTime as one of the 32-bit
>> > frameworks that will be removed in macOS 10.15 next year.
>> 
>> Quicktime itself isn't going anywhere.
>
> for developers, it absolutely is.

Yep, and most developers have already left it behind for AVFoundation
anyway.  : )

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#117138

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 2:23:49 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-06-06 10:20:07 +0000, David Empson said:
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >> On 2018-06-06 05:05:55 +0000, JF Mezei said:
> >>> 
> >>> Out of curiosity, what has replaced Quicktime in terms of framework to
> >>> play videos?
> >>> 
> >>> When the Quicktime framework goes away, does this imply that the
> >>> Quicktime app goes too, or would that app be updated to make use of
> >>> whatever framework is available to play movies?  (or has it already been
> >>> updated as of High Sierra ?
> >>> 
> >>> What still makes use of Quicktime in terms of popular apps?
> >> 
> >> Quicktime hasn't and isn't going anywhere. It used for a ton of stuff,
> >> not just playing videos.
> > 
> > The QuickTime framework certainly will be going away. The Platforms
> > State of the Union address at WWDC listed QuickTime as one of the 32-bit
> > frameworks that will be removed in macOS 10.15 next year.
> 
> Quicktime itself isn't going anywhere.
> 
> 
> 
> > Applications which depend on QuickTime or other parts of Carbon are all
> > 32-bit and cannot update to 64-bit without eliminating their use of
> > QuickTime and other parts of Carbon. If that doesn't happen, the
> > application won't work in macOS 10.15.
> 
> That's up to the app developers to fix.



He's unmistakably dishonest, he got busted and he's doing the normal role-reversal tricks covered in trolling 101 as he attempts to regain his story... but it will fail. And why the added task to time a script via usenet in a server system? No matter, Jonas Eklundh didn't suggest this as part of his, what would undoubtedly be, ever increasing 'standard'. 

The full farce is chock-full of unbelievable inconsistencies and relies heavily on Jonas Eklundh's 'riding Snit's ass' horseplay. 

Dropping support for DOS programs is long overdue. 

Jonas Eklundh is being controlled by a corporation. 

Jonas Eklundh calls it "obsessing" over him, even though he proceeds to cause that exact criteria. 

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#117110

Tim Cook interview on CNN Money based on WWDC announcements and the
Facebook news and others. He defends Apple very well. (privacy etc)

https://youtu.be/4IQStrUnUKM

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#117107

In message <p0HRC.348366$RM2.103883@fx05.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> At the "State of the Platforms" presentation:

> High Sierra was last release to support 32bit without compromise
> Mojave is the last release to support 32bit at all.

> Quicktime framework gone.
> Java 1.6 Apple framework gone.
> Carbon HLTB gone.

No. You, as usual, have misunderstood simple declarative sentences.

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#117112

On 2018-06-06 02:37, Lewis wrote:

>> Quicktime framework gone.
>> Java 1.6 Apple framework gone.
>> Carbon HLTB gone.
> 
> No. You, as usual, have misunderstood simple declarative sentences.


I meant to refer that these were gone with the 2019 version. Deprecated
now, gone next year. I typed as I listened and may have skipped that.

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#117080

On 2018-06-05, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <050620180933523172%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <slrnphcpk3.1e03.g.kreme@Snow.local>, Lewis
>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>>> 
>>> No one I know has any complaints about the AppleTV UI. It is much better
>>> than anyone else's.
>
>> except for the remote.
>
> All the remote needs is a strap on it. I have one remote with the Apple
> strap and two others are using old mobile phone straps from the late 90s
> and early 2000s.

IMO it needs way more than just a strap.

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#117089

In message <fno1l0Flo7hU3@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2018-06-05, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <050620180933523172%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <slrnphcpk3.1e03.g.kreme@Snow.local>, Lewis
>>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>
>>>> 
>>>> No one I know has any complaints about the AppleTV UI. It is much better
>>>> than anyone else's.
>>
>>> except for the remote.
>>
>> All the remote needs is a strap on it. I have one remote with the Apple
>> strap and two others are using old mobile phone straps from the late 90s
>> and early 2000s.

> IMO it needs way more than just a strap.

I suspect we use our Apple TV and the remotes more than you do in your
house (We use them everyday, and sometimes have two TVs going at once).



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didn't need to believe in them. They knew they existed. They just wished
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#117081

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 9:21:14 AM UTC-7, Lewis wrote:
> In message <050620180933523172%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <slrnphcpk3.1e03.g.kreme@Snow.local>, Lewis
> > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> >> 
> >> No one I know has any complaints about the AppleTV UI. It is much better
> >> than anyone else's.
> 
> > except for the remote.
> 
> All the remote needs is a strap on it. I have one remote with the Apple
> strap and two others are using old mobile phone straps from the late 90s
> and early 2000s.
> 
> -- 
> Well I've seen the Heart of Darkness/Read the writing on the wall/and the
> voice out in the desert/Was the voice out in the hall



Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh-like jerks are still talking about the open source "environment" as if something like that actually would be a good thing. It's like a crank call. Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh has already decided what he is going to say before he calls. What you say is beside the point. What Snit says does not matter. 

You guys can only think from the perspective of a sociopath. What Gnome looks like is the least of your problems and easily remedied, especially if it's better than what Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh uses. 

Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh doesn't have any concept of what he is sobbing about. 

Really, what lie? 

Now that nobody is talking to Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh, he's making it sound like he's broken Gnome -- when in fact, people are just beating him at his own game. 

You likely think KDE handles the desktop well. Nope. Not compared to OS X. 

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#117079

On 2018-06-05, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <cknRC.291566$ll2.258472@fx35.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> Oh almost forgot: AppleTV gets no improvement.
>
> Utterly wrong.

Yep, it is getting plenty of improvements, as anyone who watched the
keynote knows. The FUDster doesn't care about facts though. 

>> Its terrible UI not getting a makeover.
>
> No one I know has any complaints about the AppleTV UI. It is much better
> than anyone else's.

I just wish they would fix that crappy remote.

>> Apple Watch gets Walkie Talkie functionality, biut not iPhones. This I
>> find strange. You think it woudl have been integrated.
>
> Apple watch gets a lot of other things too.

Yep. The automatic detection of workouts (start and end) is reason
enough for me to upgrade.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#117029

Also forgot:


Safari, in some way, will prevent social media from gathering data about
users just because a web page as a "like" button on it.  (Anyone who
displays a facebook  "like" button on their web page causes your browser
to do an HTTP transation to Facebook to get the icon, and Facebook gets
all the data included in the HTTP request.


Also, Apple will try to remove as much information from the HTTP request
as it can, to yield a more generic request that has little
differentiation from any other user, thus making it harder for ad
networks to get a fingerprint of you via HTTP requests. Again, no
details on how this gets done.

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#117030

In article <pinRC.291565$ll2.8303@fx35.iad>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> 
> -No mention of 32 vs 64 bit.

according to forum posts, there is still a warning and 32 bit apps
still work.

> -No mention of Apple Pay progress.

what progress were you expecting? it works quite well as it is.

unfortunately, some merchants remain stubborn and refuse to accept
contactless of any sort, or they accept taps but intentionally block
apple pay. 

> -First US based non-Apple Pay access to NFC  will be student ID cards
> that can be loaded in Wallet and used to unlock doors at a handful of US
> universities. (Access to NFC was done in Japan for its trasit system
> some time ago).

nope. non-apple pay nfc access was last year, with corenfc.

> The IOS-coexietence was explained. The UI API from IOS is being ported
> as a long term project. It will translate native MAC UI (mouse , mouse
> clicks, scrolling) into IOS events.

no it doesn't.

> This is long term projects and Apple
> expects developpers to get a beta by next year. But already, some of the
> new apps on OS-X such as "News" are IOS apps ported from IOS to OS-X.
> This will require apps be recompiled. (so this is not an emulator).

it's an api.

they're basically combining appkit and uikit, aka uxkit, as has been
rumoured and has been seen in certain apps.

> No mention of how App store will work on this. (aka: if you buy app on
> iPhone, will the x86/OS-X version (if available) automatically become
> avaialble to download on the Mac App store ?

no, nor does that even make sense.

> IOS gets performance upgrades which will benefit older phones a lot.
> Same batch of phones get IOS 12 that got 11.

yep, and very welcomed.

> The OS-X change to white on dark is ironic. It was Apple which "forced"
> thr world to go black on white starting with the Lisa/Mac. 

for legitimate reasons.

> And now they
> want to reverse this, but knowing Jony Ive, will likely be grey on grey.

solely to piss you off.

> The new "gallery" view is intetesting in terms of being a possible low
> end replacement for Adobe Bridge (Ability to display Exif data on a
> right sidebar).

that's hardly a replacement for bridge.

> The Mac App store gets a Jony Ive UI, no actual changes under the hood
> on how apps approved etc etc.

actually, there are changes under the hood, which is one reason why
apps like lightroom, transmit, bbedit and others will be there.

> Overall, nothing compelling. We'll have to see in individual sessions
> how much gets changed under the hood.

actually, quite a bit compelling.

you forgot browser fingerprint spoofing and like button tracking
blocking, homekit on mac, siri shortcuts, animoji and memojis, finder
enhancements (yet remains fundamentally broken), webkit on watchos,
stocks on ipad and mac (as a result of uxkit), usage tracking, and
desktop stacks.

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#117031

In article <pinRC.291565$ll2.8303@fx35.iad>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> The IOS-coexietence was explained. The UI API from IOS is being ported
> as a long term project. It will translate native MAC UI (mouse , mouse
> clicks, scrolling) into IOS events. 

more info has surfaced. there's an ios framework folder on the mac and
uikit (ios) apps use that to display views on the mac.

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#117058

In message <pinRC.291565$ll2.8303@fx35.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> The OS-X change to white on dark is ironic. It was Apple which "forced"
> thr world to go black on white starting with the Lisa/Mac. And now they
> want to reverse this, but knowing Jony Ive, will likely be grey on grey.

macOS is not changing to white on dark, where did you get that idea?

> The Mac App store gets a Jony Ive UI, no actual changes under the hood
> on how apps approved etc etc.

That is obviously wrong. The fact that BBEdit is coming back to the Mac
App Store means some significant changes have been made.

> Overall, nothing compelling.

Many many things, but most of them are above your pay grade.

-- 
Always be sincere, even if you don't mean it.

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#117033

On 2018-06-05 01:57:31 +0000, Your Name said:

> Unless you use properly set-up tags (highly unlikely for those who are 
> disorganised enough to litter their Desktop with files in the first 
> place), the Desktop Stacks simply group together files of the same 
> type, making it somewhat useless. You'd be better off at least making 
> your own Desktop folders to store stuff in organised how you want ... 
> or even better, put the files away in properly organised locations in 
> the first place.

My wife knows the difference of these basic categories and it think it 
will work well for her.  In any case my wife's level of hapless 
operation is exactly who they are aiming for: A good target.

> I'm not sure you've got that correct. I haven't seen any mention of a 
> Finder "get info" panel yet.
>  There is a new info panel on the *right* side of the 'Gallery' view, 
> but it only shows the meta data from media files (the video format, the 
> photo dimensions, etc.), not the actual Finder info. Potentially that 
> could eventually be expanded on to show info for other files types.

I should probably be correcting my statement from "left-side" to 
"right-side" for some time to come.

> Some people are all excited about the "new Gallery view" ... except 
> it's already been there for many previous versions of macOS under the 
> name "Cover Flow", and is rarely-to-never used by most people.

I wised my wife to cover a good while after it was added and it was a 
minor satori.  The new version of cover flow does have some interesting 
new options. The expanded and/or more readily acessible acces to screen 
shots will definitely be used by her and I assume others in her 
category.

Again, I won't be making use of them. I suppose many of us routinely 
become good and routine enhanscements of what the OS has offered us 
over the years, so these various "aids" are really so really a slight 
shift of context.

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#117035

On 2018-06-05 06:15:03 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2018-06-05 01:57:31 +0000, Your Name said:
> 
>> Unless you use properly set-up tags (highly unlikely for those who are 
>> disorganised enough to litter their Desktop with files in the first 
>> place), the Desktop Stacks simply group together files of the same 
>> type, making it somewhat useless. You'd be better off at least making 
>> your own Desktop folders to store stuff in organised how you want ... 
>> or even better, put the files away in properly organised locations in 
>> the first place.
> 
> My wife knows the difference of these basic categories and it think it 
> will work well for her.  In any case my wife's level of hapless 
> operation is exactly who they are aiming for: A good target.
> 
>> I'm not sure you've got that correct. I haven't seen any mention of a 
>> Finder "get info" panel yet.
>> 
>> There is a new info panel on the *right* side of the 'Gallery' view, 
>> but it only shows the meta data from media files (the video format, the 
>> photo dimensions, etc.), not the actual Finder info. Potentially that 
>> could eventually be expanded on to show info for other files types.
> 
> I should probably be correcting my statement from "left-side" to 
> "right-side" for some time to come.

Thinking about it after posting that, the panel is not a new feature, 
but it will add a bit more functionality than the info panel that 
already appears in 'Column' view Finder windows shows.




>> Some people are all excited about the "new Gallery view" ... except 
>> it's already been there for many previous versions of macOS under the 
>> name "Cover Flow", and is rarely-to-never used by most people.
> 
> I wised my wife to cover a good while after it was added and it was a 
> minor satori.  The new version of cover flow does have some interesting 
> new options. The expanded and/or more readily acessible acces to screen 
> shots will definitely be used by her and I assume others in her 
> category.
> 
> Again, I won't be making use of them. I suppose many of us routinely 
> become good and routine enhanscements of what the OS has offered us 
> over the years, so these various "aids" are really so really a slight 
> shift of context.

Apple keeps adding these gimmicks mostly that few people will ever use, 
which just adds extra complexity (so you'll have to buy a new faster 
computer) and bug opportunities ... and they remove or tweak existing 
features into near uselessness (for example the coloured tags where 
much more visible when the whole filename was highlighted, rather than 
just a silly little dot).

They also still haven't fixed some of the glitches and bugs that have 
existed in the OS for many versions.

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