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  Wifi/Ethernet Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-01-31 10:16 -0500
    Re: Wifi/Ethernet Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> - 2014-01-31 15:20 +0000
      Re: Wifi/Ethernet Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-31 13:13 -0500
        Re: Wifi/Ethernet Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-02-01 08:35 -0500
          Re: Wifi/Ethernet Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-02-01 11:16 -0500
            Re: Wifi/Ethernet Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2014-02-01 11:25 -0500
            Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-01 12:24 -0600
              Re: Wifi/Ethernet Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-01 20:42 +0000
              Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-01 23:05 +0000
                Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-02 16:52 -0600
                  Re: Wifi/Ethernet Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-02 22:57 +0000
                    Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-03 17:10 -0600
                  Re: Wifi/Ethernet Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> - 2014-02-02 16:58 -0600
                    Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-03 17:07 -0600
                      Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-04 14:50 +0000
                        Re: Wifi/Ethernet D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2014-02-04 19:43 +0000
                          Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 01:25 +0000
                            Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-07 11:15 -0600
                              Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-07 18:05 +0000
                                Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-10 18:23 -0600
                                  Re: Wifi/Ethernet Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-02-12 19:43 -0800
                                    Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-13 21:17 -0600
                            Re: Wifi/Ethernet D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2014-02-11 19:49 +0000
                        Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-07 11:09 -0600
                  Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-03 01:53 +0000
                    Re: Wifi/Ethernet erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-02-03 17:05 -0600
      Re: Wifi/Ethernet Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-31 19:05 +0000
    Re: Wifi/Ethernet Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 10:23 -0500

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#56474

On 2014-02-11 00:23:41 +0000, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> said:

> In article <slrnlfa83k.2ejo.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
>> You're talking about very different versions of AppleWorks. The version
>> for the Apple // series was almost nothing like the later version for
>> the Mac, other than in name.
> 
> Oh, I was using ClarisWorks almost from its inception, I think. By the
> time I had to switch to AW, it soon came in a version for both OS 9 and
> OSX and could open older AW and CW files. Pages cut its abilities in
> half and threw in useless "templates" , threw out useful ones and most
> individual options.  I don't remember what I was using on the Apple //e.

On my Apple IIe I used the  original Apple Works with WP, Spread Sheet, 
and Database in one suite. It just worked. No fancy GUI, just green 
screen.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#56529

In article <2014021219432997686-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
 Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2014-02-11 00:23:41 +0000, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> said:
> 
> > In article <slrnlfa83k.2ejo.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > 
> >> You're talking about very different versions of AppleWorks. The version
> >> for the Apple // series was almost nothing like the later version for
> >> the Mac, other than in name.
> > 
> > Oh, I was using ClarisWorks almost from its inception, I think. By the
> > time I had to switch to AW, it soon came in a version for both OS 9 and
> > OSX and could open older AW and CW files. Pages cut its abilities in
> > half and threw in useless "templates" , threw out useful ones and most
> > individual options.  I don't remember what I was using on the Apple //e.
> 
> On my Apple IIe I used the  original Apple Works with WP, Spread Sheet, 
> and Database in one suite. It just worked. No fancy GUI, just green 
> screen.

That's probably what I was using, too.  Big difference when I got my 
first Mac! 8-)

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#56414

Lewis wrote:
> In message <dog_cow-1391543029@macgui.com> 
>   D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:
>> Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>>>   erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In article <lcmij8$e4k$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote:
>>>>> > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being
>>>>> > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as
>>>>> > well
>>>>> > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my
>>>>> > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable. 
>>>>> > That's
>>>>> > what I see, whether I want to or not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and
>>>>>
>>>>> that was long before Mavericks.
>>> 
>>>> Once upon a time Apple programs were backward compatible, so it wasn't 
>>>> necessary to update all my data every time the OS climbed to a new 
>>>> number.
>>> 
>>> Oh yea, I rememebr how eeasy it was to open Appleworks files from my
>>> //c+ on the Mac. Oh wait.
> 
>> It was pretty easy with Apple File Exchange. The IIc Plus had an 800 k DS
>> drive.
> 
> As I recall, you didn't open your old AppleWorks files, you converted
> them, one-way, to the new format.

ClarisWorks used the Claris XTND system. That allowed read/write capability
of a variety of file formats.

-- 
]DF$
Apple II Book: http://macgui.com/newa2guide/
Usenet: http://macgui.com/usenet/  <-- get posts by email!
Apple II Web & Blog hosting: http://a2hq.com/

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#56174

In article <slrnlf1vi8.169m.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <drache-61DF25.17075203022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>   erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <lcmij8$e4k$1@dont-email.me>, Ted Lee <tmplee@gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> 
> >> On 2/2/14, 4:52 PM, erilar wrote:
> >> > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being
> >> > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use as well
> >> > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my
> >> > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable.  That's
> >> > what I see, whether I want to or not.
> >> 
> >> Most of those went away when Classic and then Rosetta went away -- and 
> >> that was long before Mavericks.
> 
> > Once upon a time Apple programs were backward compatible, so it wasn't 
> > necessary to update all my data every time the OS climbed to a new 
> > number.
> 
> Oh yea, I rememebr how eeasy it was to open Appleworks files from my
> //c+ on the Mac. Oh wait.
> 
> Well, yeah, but Mac Write files from System 1.x worked great in System
> 7-- oh, right, no they didn't.
> 
> Word 6 worked really well with older versions of Word if by 'really
> well' you mean 'not at all' and you had to buy a third-party conversion
> tool.
> 
> Wait, when was this mythical backwards compatibility period when prices
> were low and politicians were honest and the summers were long and it
> always snowed on Christmas Eve?

Well, I've never thought of Word as an Apple program, unlike all the WP 
programs I've used.  Saving to Word for someone who demands it is not 
using the thing, in my opinion.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#55799

In message <drache-760B8A.16522902022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
  erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnleqvdo.a20.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <drache-641AA6.12245801022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>>   erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> > In article <barmar-D5728A.11160401022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> >> In article <lcit6s$44s$1@news.mixmin.net>,
>> >>  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > In article <barmar-F25BF0.13134831012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> >> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> >> > > I didn't think that MTNW would work at all in 10.9.
>> >> > 
>> >> > It doesn't -- I use it in 10.7.5 on an older Mac Pro that "can't be 
>> >> > upgraded." My laptop and iMac are Mavericks.
>> >> 
>> >> In that case, why is it on its last legs? It still works just as well as 
>> >> it always has in the older OS. I'm still using it in 10.6.8 with no 
>> >> problems.
>> 
>> > I just keep seeing more and more reasons to avoid Mavericks 8-)
>> 
>> You see what you want to see.

> I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being 
> blocked from using almost every software program I currently use

I don't believe that for  minute unless you are still running 10.5 and
Classic OS apps as your main apps.

> as well > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since my 
> first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable.

Again, unless you are relying on documents from 1990s era apps I don't
believe you.

-- 
*** Word_of_God was kicked from #christian by SageRider (Please don't
Swear)

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#55814

In article <slrnlettkf.m1t.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <drache-760B8A.16522902022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>   erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> > I see an enormous amount of trouble and expense as a result of being 
> > blocked from using almost every software program I currently use
> 
> I don't believe that for  minute unless you are still running 10.5 and
> Classic OS apps as your main apps.

I'm not, of course, but there are a number of programs I can barely 
access with 10.6.8 and THAT upgrade killed my local network connection 
to others on the old computer where they reside and wiped out some 
things entirely.
> 
> > as well > as every document and many graphics produced over the years since 
> > my 
> > first computer, many of which still ARE usable and reachable.
> 
> Again, unless you are relying on documents from 1990s era apps I don't
> believe you.

Believe what you will 8-)

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#55665

In message <lcgev7$rli$1@news.mixmin.net> 
  Sick of it <lah@de.da.ru.ru.ru> wrote:
> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:20:06 -0500
> Message-ID: <lah-17393F.10200531012014@news.mixmin.net>

> In article <lcgeoa$rfs$1@news.mixmin.net>,
>  Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:

>> Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1
>> 
>> In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and 
>> the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out 
>> and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from 
>> just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the 
>> ethernet port and then everything freezes.
>> 
>> Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think 
>> the guy wired up my networking badly?

> Sorry about the double posts. MTNW is on its last legs.

Nah, MTNW is the black knight after his legs and arms are cut off.

-- 
Love is like oxygen / You get too much / you get too high / Not enough
and you're gonna die

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#55699

On 2014.01.31, 10:16 , Wilbur Eleven wrote:
> Older MacBook Pro, 10.9.1
>
> In System Prefs, Network, the wired connection is on "Ethernet 1" and
> the wireless connection is on "Ethernet 2" and the "WiFi" is greyed out
> and they both work as expected except sometimes I hear a buzzing from
> just below the power button which is coincidentally just above the
> ethernet port and then everything freezes.
>
> Hardware problem? I had the machine fixed some time ago. Do you think
> the guy wired up my networking badly?

Open the unit up and take a gander.  "the guy" probably wired it 
correctly but may not have tightened everything down enough, or just 
time has shaken something loose.  Even a bit of loose metal may have 
gotten in there causing a partial short.  Or ... (etc).
-- 
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
                                                   - Mike Tyson

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