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  What if these two men had formed a company together? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-13 07:04 -0700
    Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-06-13 10:13 -0400
      Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-13 07:43 -0700
        Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-13 16:39 -0500
          Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-13 15:09 -0700
            Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-13 19:00 -0500
              Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-13 20:11 -0400
                Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-06-13 20:26 -0400
                  Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-13 20:29 -0400
                  Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-06-14 13:49 +1200
                  Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-13 20:58 -0700
                  Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-06-14 12:38 +0000
                  Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-06-14 08:40 -0400
                Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-06-14 08:39 -0400
                  Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-06-14 14:26 +0000
                    Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-06-14 10:31 -0400
              Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-13 20:57 -0700
                Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-13 21:11 -0700
          Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-13 18:16 -0400
            Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-13 19:52 -0500
              Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-13 20:55 -0400
                Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-13 21:01 -0500
                  Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-13 23:03 -0400
                    Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-14 20:40 -0500
                      Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-14 23:05 -0400
                        Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-15 15:15 -0500
        Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-06-14 00:32 -0400
        Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-06-14 08:36 -0400
          Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-14 06:17 -0700
            Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-06-14 09:43 -0400
          Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-14 12:36 -0400
      Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Otto Pylot <otto@bogus.address.com> - 2015-06-13 08:47 -0700
        Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? tommyrot@privacy.com (Tom Raider) - 2015-06-13 17:11 +0100
        Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? "Ed H." <fake@notreal.net> - 2015-06-13 15:38 -0500
          Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-13 18:59 -0500
            Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-14 12:44 +1200
              Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-06-14 08:44 -0400
                Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-15 12:52 +1200
              Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-14 18:08 -0500
                Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-14 19:35 -0400
                  Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-14 21:24 -0500
                    Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-14 23:05 -0400
                    Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-06-15 19:07 +1200
                      Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-15 10:08 -0500
                Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-15 13:17 +1200
                  Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-14 21:55 -0500
                  Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-14 23:05 -0400
                    Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-16 11:25 +1200
                      Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-15 21:20 -0400
                        Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-16 18:45 +1200
                          Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-17 13:19 +1200
                      Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-06-16 09:25 +0100
        Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-06-14 10:20 +1200
      Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-06-13 14:26 -0400
        Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-13 13:59 -0700
        Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-13 18:59 -0500
          Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-06-14 12:10 -0400
    Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-06-13 13:41 -0400
      Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-06-13 13:58 -0700
    Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-06-14 05:22 +1000
      Re: What if these two men had formed a company together? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-06-14 05:00 -0600

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#76638

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On Sunday, 14 June 2015 19:35 -0400, 
 in article <140620151935250537%nospam@nospam.invalid>, 
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1506141711090.43505@mako.ath.cx>, 
>  David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

>> It is not, however, a standard.  I've yet to find an application, 
>> GUI or CLI, used for text editing, which will recognized this 
>> convention across multiple lines.

> then you haven't looked very hard.

> textwrangler & bbedit both do it, as do many other apps.

Oddly, when I try clicking the link, in either BBEdit or TextWrangler, 
it attempts to load 
<http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bil%0Dl-Gates.jpg>.  
How does that URL work for you?  The %0D is an escape for \r.  I get a 
404; Page not found.

On the other hand, 
<http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bill-Gates.jpg> 
loads just fine, regardless the application.

BTW, URL shorteners were created to deal with precisely this issue.

<http://preview.tinyurl.com/pqjfnuk> <http://tinyurl.com/pqjfnuk>

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#76643

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1506142103550.43505@mako.ath.cx>, David
Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> >> It is not, however, a standard.  I've yet to find an application, 
> >> GUI or CLI, used for text editing, which will recognized this 
> >> convention across multiple lines.
> 
> > then you haven't looked very hard.
> 
> > textwrangler & bbedit both do it, as do many other apps.
> 
> Oddly, when I try clicking the link, in either BBEdit or TextWrangler, 
> it attempts to load 
>
> <http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bil%0Dl-G
> ates.jpg>.  
> How does that URL work for you?  The %0D is an escape for \r.  I get a 
> 404; Page not found.

no surprise there. the correct url does not have a %0D in it.

obviously a bogus url will get a 404. 

> On the other hand, 
>
> <http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bill-Gate
> s.jpg> 
> loads just fine, regardless the application.

that works. 

> BTW, URL shorteners were created to deal with precisely this issue.

yep. 

instead of fixing the various apps, they came out with an even worse
solution.

url shorteners are dangerous because you never know what the
destination is. it could be a useful link or it could be porn site or
even a malware infested site.

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#76648

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1506142103550.43505@mako.ath.cx>, David
Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> BTW, URL shorteners were created to deal with precisely this issue.
> 
> <http://preview.tinyurl.com/pqjfnuk> <http://tinyurl.com/pqjfnuk>

http://bit.ly is another link shortener often used by magazines,
although they use such things so that there is less chance of people
mistyping them.

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On Monday, 15 June 2015 19:07 +1200, 
 in article <150620151907221666%YourName@YourISP.com>, 
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1506142103550.43505@mako.ath.cx>, 
>  David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

>> BTW, URL shorteners were created to deal with precisely this issue.

>> <http://preview.tinyurl.com/pqjfnuk> <http://tinyurl.com/pqjfnuk>

> http://bit.ly is another link shortener often used by magazines, 
> although they use such things so that there is less chance of people 
> mistyping them.

There are many others, including Google's and YouTube's own.

Do note, I included a preview URL, which allows one to determine the 
actual target of the shortener.  Following it provides one with the 
original URL which was shortened, allowing one to avoid possible 
obfuscated nastiness.

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#76629

David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

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> On Sunday, 14 June 2015 12:44 +1200, 
>  in article <1m60agp.1m0fi47gqnnkhN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, 
>  David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> 
> > David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> >> On Saturday, 13 June 2015 15:38 -0500, 
> >>  in article <130620151538471933%fake@notreal.net>, 
> >>  Ed H. <fake@notreal.net> wrote:
> 
> >>> In article <130620150847230759%otto@bogus.address.com>, 
> >>>  Otto Pylot<otto@bogus.address.com> wrote:
> 
> >>>> In article <c9ydncJR89MUp-HInZ2dnUU7-KOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, 
> >>>>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> >>>>> On 2015-06-13 10:04, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> 
> >>>>>> I wonder what the result would have been.
> 
> >>>>>> <http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Job
> >>>>>> s-and-Bill-Gates.jpg>
> 
> >>>>> Get rid of Thoth.  It doesn't post links correctly.
>       ^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^^^^   ^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Please keep in mind, this poorly conceived response was Alan's, not 
> mine.  I use Thoth, but not for posting.
> 
> >>>> The link works just fine on my Air with Thoth.
> 
> >>> Same here
> 
> >> It only works in Thoth, AFAICT.  The URL appears as wrapped into two
> >> lines, on the server.
> 
> > Diamond brackets are a long standing convention for delimiting a URL
> > which may have forced line breaks. Many old Mac-based newsreaders 
> > support it, including Newswatcher deriviatives and MacSOUP. Based on
> > complaints elsewhere, it appears that many newsreaders don't 
> > recognise this.
> 
> Oh, I agree completely.  The use of chevrons or angel brackets, as a URL
> delimiter, is a long-standing convention.  I've been using it longer 
> than RFC 3986 has been around.
> 
> It is not, however, a standard.  I've yet to find an application, GUI
> or CLI, used for text editing, which will recognized this convention 
> across multiple lines.
> 
> > It is documented in RFC 2396. See page 33, appendix E 
> > "Recommendations for Delimiting URI in Context". That RFC was 
> > obsoleted by RFC 3986, where the same information is repeated in 
> > appendix C. RFC 3986 is also designated as STD 66.
> 
> Take a look at the URLs, at the top of Page 34.  Can you get your 
> browser of open any of the those wrapped, delimited URLs, using the 
> Open Link function?  (The paragraph begins, "Yes, Jim, ..."

Nope. They also don't have a modifier key to trigger recognition of a
URL in plain text.

BBEdit does support command-clicking a URL, and it partly recognised the
delimter but didn't handle the line break correctly.

> Remember, RFC 3986 is a set of recommendations.  It ain't written in 
> stone.  Some applications adopted it, in all or in part.  Most, it 
> seems, did not.

Agreed.

> I saved the original message in this thread, from a news server, to my
> iCloud inbox.  Apple Mail believes the URL is terminated, at the line
> break.  When you click on the wrapped URL, your GUI web browser will 
> attempt to load the malformed URL.
> 
> >> The reality of the situation is that the URL is broken, although 
> >> Thoth is still able to get past the error, when reading.  After 
> >> all, it's default line wrap is the source of the the problem.
> 
> > It is the newsreaders which can't handle the URL that are broken.
> 
> That is your opinion, however Thoth remains unique among current news
> user applications which run on current releases of the OS X operating
> system.

Thoth is not unique.

MacSOUP also correctly parses a URL with delimiters and line breaks, and
it is running fine in OS X 10.10.3.

I gather from elsewhere that Thunderbird also tries to recognise
delimited URLs but it only works in some cases.

> You are ignoring all the others, as well as newsreaders running on other
> platforms.

I don't care. If other newsreaders don't support established USENET
conventions, they should be fixed.

It doesn't affect me, as my client (MacSOUP) has been able to post long
URLs without inserting a line break since its most recent update, and it
can parse delimited URLs posted by others.

> All I'm suggesting is that one should be aware of the limitations of
> whatever one is using as a NNTP posting client.  It's also useful to be
> aware of how others, who are not part of a very small clique of Thoth
> users, might see your post.

It isn't my posts we are talking about.

> There is no perfect newsreader.
> 
> <aside>
> I will reply separately to nospam, who thought pasting your article 
> into the body of their message, was somehow a response to the question
> asked, rather than the dodge it is.
> </aside>

Seemed perfectly reasonable to me. I'd already posted the details, so
nospam didn't need to do the research to look them up again.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#76639

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On Monday, 15 June 2015 13:17 +1200, 
 in article <1m626ji.6o454y4530kgN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, 
 David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

>> On Sunday, 14 June 2015 12:44 +1200, 
>>  in article <1m60agp.1m0fi47gqnnkhN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, 
>>  David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

>> ... Thoth remains unique among current news user applications which 
>> run on current releases of the OS X operating system.

> Thoth is not unique.

> MacSOUP also correctly parses a URL with delimiters and line breaks, 
> and it is running fine in OS X 10.10.3.

I also mentioned that using groups.google.com with a GUI web browser 
also recognizes the full URL.

Where Thoth remains unique is in its ability to recognize a hard 
wrapped URL, even when it's been quoted in a reply.  Here it falls 
well outside the recommendations found in RFC 2396, which only allows 
added white space within the delimited URL.

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#76641

In article <1m626ji.6o454y4530kgN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> BBEdit does support command-clicking a URL, and it partly recognised the
> delimter but didn't handle the line break correctly.

it does if it's enclosed in <>.

> > You are ignoring all the others, as well as newsreaders running on other
> > platforms.
> 
> I don't care. If other newsreaders don't support established USENET
> conventions, they should be fixed.

correct.

> > <aside>
> > I will reply separately to nospam, who thought pasting your article 
> > into the body of their message, was somehow a response to the question
> > asked, rather than the dodge it is.
> > </aside>
> 
> Seemed perfectly reasonable to me. I'd already posted the details, so
> nospam didn't need to do the research to look them up again.

i would have just referenced the relevant rfc, but you went into a lot
more detail so i referenced that instead and also quoted it.

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#76675

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <1m626ji.6o454y4530kgN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> 
> > BBEdit does support command-clicking a URL, and it partly recognised the
> > delimter but didn't handle the line break correctly.
> 
> it does if it's enclosed in <>.

Didn't work for me.

      As an example, a split link such as <https://www.apple.com/osx/
      elcapitan-preview/> ...

works fine if I command-click the link in MacSOUP, but BBEdit 11.1.1 or
TextWrangler 4.5.12 tries to open:

https://www.apple.com/osx/%0D

BBEdit/TextWrangler highlights the line after the open angle bracket, to
the right edge of the window, but doesn't continue on to the next line.

If I remove the leading spaces from those two lines and repeat the test:

As an example, a split link such as <https://www.apple.com/osx/
elcapitan-preview/> ...

then BBEdit/TextWrangler tries to open:

https://www.apple.com/osx/%0Delcapitan-preview/

This time it highlighted the correct text, but didn't remove the line
break character when opening the URL.

If it is working for you, which version of BBEdit are you running?
Perhaps there is a bug in a recent version (I'm running the latest). I
can file a bug report with BareBones once I have more details.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#76680

In article <1m62lnl.c2wrb11b6u8bcN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> > > BBEdit does support command-clicking a URL, and it partly recognised the
> > > delimter but didn't handle the line break correctly.
> > 
> > it does if it's enclosed in <>.
> 
> Didn't work for me.
> 
>       As an example, a split link such as <https://www.apple.com/osx/
>       elcapitan-preview/> ...
> 
> works fine if I command-click the link in MacSOUP, but BBEdit 11.1.1 or
> TextWrangler 4.5.12 tries to open:
> 
> https://www.apple.com/osx/%0D
>
> BBEdit/TextWrangler highlights the line after the open angle bracket, to
> the right edge of the window, but doesn't continue on to the next line.
> 
> If I remove the leading spaces from those two lines and repeat the test:
> 
> As an example, a split link such as <https://www.apple.com/osx/
> elcapitan-preview/> ...
> 
> then BBEdit/TextWrangler tries to open:
> 
> https://www.apple.com/osx/%0Delcapitan-preview/
> 
> This time it highlighted the correct text, but didn't remove the line
> break character when opening the URL.
> 
> If it is working for you, which version of BBEdit are you running?
> Perhaps there is a bug in a recent version (I'm running the latest). I
> can file a bug report with BareBones once I have more details.

looks like it's a new bug. 

it works in text wrangler 2.3 but not in 4.5.2.

i don't know in which version the bug surfaced.

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#76691

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <1m62lnl.c2wrb11b6u8bcN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> 
> > > > BBEdit does support command-clicking a URL, and it partly recognised the
> > > > delimter but didn't handle the line break correctly.
> > > 
> > > it does if it's enclosed in <>.
> > 
> > Didn't work for me.
> > 
> >       As an example, a split link such as <https://www.apple.com/osx/
> >       elcapitan-preview/> ...
> > 
> > works fine if I command-click the link in MacSOUP, but BBEdit 11.1.1 or
> > TextWrangler 4.5.12 tries to open:
> > 
> > https://www.apple.com/osx/%0D
> >
> > BBEdit/TextWrangler highlights the line after the open angle bracket, to
> > the right edge of the window, but doesn't continue on to the next line.
> > 
> > If I remove the leading spaces from those two lines and repeat the test:
> > 
> > As an example, a split link such as <https://www.apple.com/osx/
> > elcapitan-preview/> ...
> > 
> > then BBEdit/TextWrangler tries to open:
> > 
> > https://www.apple.com/osx/%0Delcapitan-preview/
> > 
> > This time it highlighted the correct text, but didn't remove the line
> > break character when opening the URL.
> > 
> > If it is working for you, which version of BBEdit are you running?
> > Perhaps there is a bug in a recent version (I'm running the latest). I
> > can file a bug report with BareBones once I have more details.
> 
> looks like it's a new bug. 
> 
> it works in text wrangler 2.3 but not in 4.5.2.
> 
> i don't know in which version the bug surfaced.

Thanks for confirming. I've sent them a bug report. In my testing,
TextWrangler 3.0 worked, but 3.5.3 and 4.0 didn't, so the bug was
introduced somewhere around TextWrangler 3.5 and the equivalent BBEdit
(circa 2010 to 2011).

Boy those old versions of TextWrangler look horrible on a retina
display. :-)

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#76713

David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > In article <1m62lnl.c2wrb11b6u8bcN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
> > <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > 
> > > > > BBEdit does support command-clicking a URL, and it partly
> > > > > recognised the delimter but didn't handle the line break
> > > > > correctly.
> > > > 
> > > > it does if it's enclosed in <>.
> > > 
> > > Didn't work for me.
> > > 
> > >       As an example, a split link such as <https://www.apple.com/osx/
> > >       elcapitan-preview/> ...
> > > 
> > > works fine if I command-click the link in MacSOUP, but BBEdit 11.1.1 or
> > > TextWrangler 4.5.12 tries to open:
> > > 
> > > https://www.apple.com/osx/%0D
> > >
> > > BBEdit/TextWrangler highlights the line after the open angle bracket, to
> > > the right edge of the window, but doesn't continue on to the next line.
> > > 
> > > If I remove the leading spaces from those two lines and repeat the test:
> > > 
> > > As an example, a split link such as <https://www.apple.com/osx/
> > > elcapitan-preview/> ...
> > > 
> > > then BBEdit/TextWrangler tries to open:
> > > 
> > > https://www.apple.com/osx/%0Delcapitan-preview/
> > > 
> > > This time it highlighted the correct text, but didn't remove the line
> > > break character when opening the URL.
> > > 
> > > If it is working for you, which version of BBEdit are you running?
> > > Perhaps there is a bug in a recent version (I'm running the latest). I
> > > can file a bug report with BareBones once I have more details.
> > 
> > looks like it's a new bug. 
> > 
> > it works in text wrangler 2.3 but not in 4.5.2.
> > 
> > i don't know in which version the bug surfaced.
> 
> Thanks for confirming. I've sent them a bug report. In my testing,
> TextWrangler 3.0 worked, but 3.5.3 and 4.0 didn't, so the bug was
> introduced somewhere around TextWrangler 3.5 and the equivalent BBEdit
> (circa 2010 to 2011).
> 
> Boy those old versions of TextWrangler look horrible on a retina
> display. :-)

Heard back from BareBones: they confirmed the bug and say it will be
fixed in a future version.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#76692

In article <1m62lnl.c2wrb11b6u8bcN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

>nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <1m626ji.6o454y4530kgN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
>> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>> 
>> > BBEdit does support command-clicking a URL, and it partly recognised the
>> > delimter but didn't handle the line break correctly.
>> 
>> it does if it's enclosed in <>.
>
>Didn't work for me.
>
>      As an example, a split link such as <https://www.apple.com/osx/
>      elcapitan-preview/> ...
>
>works fine if I command-click the link in MacSOUP, ...

Works fine in Thoth just by clicking.

Indeed, it works on the quoted link above, too.

-- 
"Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you
bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where 
bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc

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#76562

In article <130620150847230759%otto@bogus.address.com>, Otto Pylot
<otto@bogus.address.com> wrote:
> In article <c9ydncJR89MUp-HInZ2dnUU7-KOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> > On 2015-06-13 10:04, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > > I wonder what the result would have been.
> > >
> > > -- Michelle
> > >
> > > <http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bil
> > > l-Gates.jpg>
> > 
> > Get rid of Thoth.  It doesn't post links correctly.
> 
> The link works just fine on my Air with Thoth.

And even if it doesn't come through properly it's just *so* difficult
and time consuming to fix.  :-\

Besides which, what self-respecting Apple user actually wants to read
anything about Bill Gates anyway (other than the obituary of his
useless company)??

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#76552

Michelle Steiner:
> > I wonder what the result would have been.

> > <http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bil
> > l-Gates.jpg>

Alan Browne
> Get rid of Thoth.  It doesn't post links correctly.

Hmmm. That link worked for me (also using Thoth) and it also works in
its quoted form as above; the line break and > > are ignored.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#76557

In article <130620151426444704%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
wrote:

> Michelle Steiner:
> > > I wonder what the result would have been.
> 
> > > <http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bil
> > > l-Gates.jpg>
> 
> Alan Browne
> > Get rid of Thoth.  It doesn't post links correctly.
> 
> Hmmm. That link worked for me (also using Thoth) and it also works in
> its quoted form as above; the line break and > > are ignored.

Same here.

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#76566

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On Saturday, 13 June 2015 14:26 -0400, 
 in article <130620151426444704%star@sky.net>, 
 Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

>> Alan Browne wrote:

> Michelle Steiner:

>>> I wonder what the result would have been.

>>> <http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bil
>>> l-Gates.jpg>

>> Get rid of Thoth.  It doesn't post links correctly.

> Hmmm. That link worked for me (also using Thoth) and it also works 
> in its quoted form as above; the line break and > > are ignored.

This is something which might now be referred to as a Thothism.  The 
URL quoted above is broken.  Thoth ignores the problem, making its 
users believe there isn't one.

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#76602

Davoud:
> > Hmmm. That link worked for me (also using Thoth) and it also works 
> > in its quoted form as above; the line break and > > are ignored.

David Ritz:
> This is something which might now be referred to as a Thothism.  The 
> URL quoted above is broken.  Thoth ignores the problem, making its 
> users believe there isn't one.

It's a point of view, innit? If it something works perfectly for me
with my software, then it isn't a problem. If it doesn't work for
someone else with their software, I call it *their* problem.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#76551

On 15-06-13 10:04, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> I wonder what the result would have been.
> 
> -- Michelle
> 
> <http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bil
> l-Gates.jpg>

This is how the source looks:

User-Agent: Thoth/1.9.1 (Mac OS X)
Cancel-Lock: sha1:3dMhrdtms3js02qcAdjghW6A4Ks=

I wonder what the result would have been.

-- Michelle

<http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bil
l-Gates.jpg>




So your news agent inserted a cr-lf beteween the 2 "L" in Bill.

So how is the receiving news agent supposed to know that l-Gates.jpg> is
supposed to be wrapped back with previous line ?

I am not sure that it is a acepted/deployed standard to wrap everything
between < and > into single line.

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#76556

In article <557c6b3a$0$46927$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> <http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bil
> l-Gates.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So your news agent inserted a cr-lf beteween the 2 "L" in Bill.
> 
> So how is the receiving news agent supposed to know that l-Gates.jpg> is
> supposed to be wrapped back with previous line ?

Because of the <>

> I am not sure that it is a acepted/deployed standard to wrap everything
> between < and > into single line.

it is, and has been for years.

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#76554

"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message 
news:130620150704466708%michelle@michelle.org...
> I wonder what the result would have been.
>
> -- Michelle
>
> <http://www.filipiknow.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Steve-Jobs-and-Bill-Gates.jpg>

Unlikely that those two mega egos would ever be able to coexist.

Wozniak and Jobs didn't last for long. 

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