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Capitan mi Capitan ...

Started byWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
First post2015-06-08 16:38 -0400
Last post2015-06-09 02:46 +0000
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  Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 16:38 -0400
    Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 16:41 -0400
      Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-09 09:23 +1200
        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-06-10 10:25 +0200
    Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-06-08 17:39 -0400
    Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-06-08 21:54 +0000
      Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 18:35 -0400
        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Király <ggrandish@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 15:45 -0700
          Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-06-08 17:45 -0700
            Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-06-09 13:07 +1200
              Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-09 08:43 -0400
                Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-06-09 06:12 -0700
          Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-09 08:40 -0400
            Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-06-10 10:34 +0200
              Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-10 08:38 -0400
                Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-06-10 17:52 +0100
                  Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-06-10 17:22 -0400
        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-08 20:01 -0400
          Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-06-09 13:09 +1200
            Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... android <here@there.was> - 2015-06-09 05:49 +0200
              Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-06-09 11:36 -0400
                Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-06-10 10:36 +0200
                Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-11 00:33 +1200
                  Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-06-10 22:50 -0500
                    Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... android <here@there.was> - 2015-06-11 06:15 +0200
                      Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-06-12 00:41 -0400
                        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-06-12 00:38 -0500
                          Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-06-12 21:10 -0400
                    Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-06-11 17:27 +1200
        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... billy@MIX.COM - 2015-06-09 00:37 +0000
          Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... android <here@there.was> - 2015-06-09 05:50 +0200
        Re: Capitan mi Capitan ... sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-06-09 02:46 +0000

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#76423

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2015-06-09 11:36 -0400
Message-ID<55770802$0$43079$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#76417
Since we're talking about El Capitan.

Did anyone else notice the lack of translucensy during the 10.11 demo
yesterday ? No mention it was gone though. But no bragging about all
windows being translucent as in the previous keynote.

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#76451

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2015-06-10 10:36 +0200
Message-ID<rh9l4c-8mm.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#76423
On 2015-06-09, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Since we're talking about El Capitan.
>
> Did anyone else notice the lack of translucensy during the 10.11 demo
> yesterday ? No mention it was gone though. But no bragging about all
> windows being translucent as in the previous keynote.

Good.  Switching translucency off is one of the first things I do after
creating a new account.

-- 
I don't know what the language of the year 2000 will look like, but I
know it will be called Fortran.                    -- Tony Hoare 1982

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#76453

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2015-06-11 00:33 +1200
Message-ID<1m5ttci.yme1lr1xr8x3cN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#76423
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Since we're talking about El Capitan.
> 
> Did anyone else notice the lack of translucensy during the 10.11 demo
> yesterday ?

No, because there was translucency. For example, on rechecking, around
15:50 there is a Finder window that clearly has a translucent sidebar.

> No mention it was gone though. But no bragging about all
> windows being translucent as in the previous keynote.

Why would they bother bragging about something which hasn't changed?

El Capitan is not supposed to be making user interface changes (apart
from the San Francisco font, which they didn't mention).

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#76482

Fromsctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net>
Date2015-06-10 22:50 -0500
Message-ID<mlb0eu$bd3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76453
On 2015-06-10 07:33:51 -0500, David Empson said:

> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Since we're talking about El Capitan.
>> 
>> Did anyone else notice the lack of translucensy during the 10.11 demo
>> yesterday ?
> 
> No, because there was translucency. For example, on rechecking, around
> 15:50 there is a Finder window that clearly has a translucent sidebar.
> 
>> No mention it was gone though. But no bragging about all
>> windows being translucent as in the previous keynote.
> 
> Why would they bother bragging about something which hasn't changed?
> 
> El Capitan is not supposed to be making user interface changes (apart
> from the San Francisco font, which they didn't mention).

I hear that one cannot really tell the difference in that font and the 
Helvetica.  Is that all there is?

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#76484

Fromandroid <here@there.was>
Date2015-06-11 06:15 +0200
Message-ID<ctsgb0FjeilU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76482
In article <mlb0eu$bd3$1@dont-email.me>,
 sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> On 2015-06-10 07:33:51 -0500, David Empson said:
> 
> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > 
> >> Since we're talking about El Capitan.
> >> 
> >> Did anyone else notice the lack of translucensy during the 10.11 demo
> >> yesterday ?
> > 
> > No, because there was translucency. For example, on rechecking, around
> > 15:50 there is a Finder window that clearly has a translucent sidebar.
> > 
> >> No mention it was gone though. But no bragging about all
> >> windows being translucent as in the previous keynote.
> > 
> > Why would they bother bragging about something which hasn't changed?
> > 
> > El Capitan is not supposed to be making user interface changes (apart
> > from the San Francisco font, which they didn't mention).
> 
> I hear that one cannot really tell the difference in that font and the 
> Helvetica.  Is that all there is?

Can you distinguish between Helvetica and Arial?
-- 
teleportation kills

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#76519

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2015-06-12 00:41 -0400
Message-ID<mldnqi$2g4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76484
On 2015-06-11 00:15:28 -0400, android <here@there.was> said:

> In article <mlb0eu$bd3$1@dont-email.me>,
>  sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-06-10 07:33:51 -0500, David Empson said:
>> 
>>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Since we're talking about El Capitan.
>>>> 
>>>> Did anyone else notice the lack of translucensy during the 10.11 demo
>>>> yesterday ?
>>> 
>>> No, because there was translucency. For example, on rechecking, around
>>> 15:50 there is a Finder window that clearly has a translucent sidebar.
>>> 
>>>> No mention it was gone though. But no bragging about all
>>>> windows being translucent as in the previous keynote.
>>> 
>>> Why would they bother bragging about something which hasn't changed?
>>> 
>>> El Capitan is not supposed to be making user interface changes (apart
>>> from the San Francisco font, which they didn't mention).
>> 
>> I hear that one cannot really tell the difference in that font and the
>> Helvetica.  Is that all there is?
> 
> Can you distinguish between Helvetica and Arial?

Christ, yes.  Most notably the Capital G, R; half of the numbers ; and 
many of the symbols.

But, then, I proofread hours at a time, so I'm biased.  Substitute one 
for the other, and it will dramatically change how text wraps in a 
paragraph.

And the new font is decidedly different.  I did a test drive of it, and 
I kind of like it.
-- 
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<weberm@polaris.net> fingers are moving.
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Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>

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#76520

FromDavid Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date2015-06-12 00:38 -0500
Message-ID<alpine.OSX.2.20.1506120032080.3713@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to#76519
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On Friday, 12 June 2015 00:41 -0400, 
 in article <mldnqi$2g4$1@dont-email.me>, 
 FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

FPP,

Please replace the howardknight.net URL, beneath your .sig, with the 
perm-link, <http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=142705573800>, 
rather than using one which requires a fresh query every time someone 
follows it.  These perm-links can be grabbed from the 'View for 
Bookmarking' link: right-click > Copy Link Location.

I'm certain Howard will appreciate it.

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#76536

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2015-06-12 21:10 -0400
Message-ID<mlfvr2$1s5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76520
On 2015-06-12 05:38:37 +0000, David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> said:

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> 
> On Friday, 12 June 2015 00:41 -0400,
>  in article <mldnqi$2g4$1@dont-email.me>,
>  FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> FPP,
> 
> Please replace the howardknight.net URL, beneath your .sig, with the
> perm-link, <http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=142705573800>,
> rather than using one which requires a fresh query every time someone
> follows it.  These perm-links can be grabbed from the 'View for
> Bookmarking' link: right-click > Copy Link Location.
> 
> I'm certain Howard will appreciate it.

Thanks for the tip... I wasn't aware of the issue.
-- 
When we talk to God, we're praying. When God talks to us, we're 
schizophrenic. -J Wagner

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#76486

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2015-06-11 17:27 +1200
Message-ID<1m5v2l8.mzx4edua3i8nN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#76482
sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> On 2015-06-10 07:33:51 -0500, David Empson said:
> 
> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > 
> >> Since we're talking about El Capitan.
> >> 
> >> Did anyone else notice the lack of translucensy during the 10.11 demo
> >> yesterday ?
> > 
> > No, because there was translucency. For example, on rechecking, around
> > 15:50 there is a Finder window that clearly has a translucent sidebar.
> > 
> >> No mention it was gone though. But no bragging about all
> >> windows being translucent as in the previous keynote.
> > 
> > Why would they bother bragging about something which hasn't changed?
> > 
> > El Capitan is not supposed to be making user interface changes (apart
> > from the San Francisco font, which they didn't mention).
> 
> I hear that one cannot really tell the difference in that font and the
> Helvetica. 

I haven't seen it up close, but based on paused views of the keynote in
HD, there appear to be subtle changes from what I'm used to with
Yosemite.

I also haven't seen San Francisco on a non-retina display so don't know
if it will help with that particular complaint about Yosemite.

> Is that all there is?

As far as I can see, the font is the only noticeable change to Yosemite
user interface elements. (There are also new Chinese and Japanese
fonts.)

There are many changes in other aspects of El Capitan. See Apple's list
at https://www.apple.com/osx/elcapitan-preview/ if you don't feel like
watching about half an hour of the keynote.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#76412

Frombilly@MIX.COM
Date2015-06-09 00:37 +0000
Message-ID<ml5cfe$qpk$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#76408
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> writes:

> I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages 
> delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear 
> socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on 
> Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.

OK, but do you wipe, or wash?

Heh.

My messages are delivered at the speed of sound, by the way,
by Ashanti drummers.  You might want to upgrade... it's 2015
already.

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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#76418

Fromandroid <here@there.was>
Date2015-06-09 05:50 +0200
Message-ID<ctn64aF8ap3U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76412
In article <ml5cfe$qpk$1@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM wrote:

> Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages 
> > delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear 
> > socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on 
> > Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.
> 
> OK, but do you wipe, or wash?

Use your left hand...
> 
> Heh.
> 
> My messages are delivered at the speed of sound, by the way,
> by Ashanti drummers.  You might want to upgrade... it's 2015
> already.
> 
> Billy Y..
-- 
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#76416

Fromsctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net>
Date2015-06-09 02:46 +0000
Message-ID<ml5k2o$sk3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76408
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 18:35:57 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:

> In article <ml52u0$7sh$2@dont-email.me>,
>  sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 16:38:46 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:
>> 
>> > http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/08/1924219/wwdc-2015-roundup
>> > 
>> > So what machines will be orphaned in this upcoming
>> > transmogrification?
>> 
>> I will just continue to run my iMac 9,1 with Snow Leopard.  I have no
>> need for any upgrades.  My main machines run Scientific Linux 6.6,
>> those are the ones that I depend on.
> 
> I send my mail by scratching on birchbark and having the messages
> delivered in cleft sticks by swift-footed Masai warriors. I only wear
> socks woven from humanely-grown hemp from a Lesbian commune on
> Saltspring Island. I poop in a hole in the ground.

What commune are you living in?  It might be next to mine!

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