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  Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-29 14:39 -0700
    Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 19:40 -0400
      Re: Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-29 17:05 -0700
    Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-04-30 00:47 +0000
      Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-04-29 18:09 -0700
        Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-29 18:17 -0700
          Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-04-29 19:00 -0700
            Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-29 22:49 -0400
              Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-04-30 13:40 +1000
              Re: Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-04-30 11:01 -0400
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple©–s Stock Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-30 11:26 -0400
                  Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple©–s Stock Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-30 15:45 +0000
                    Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple©ñs Stock Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-30 11:51 -0400
                      Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple©ñs Stock Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-30 16:02 +0000
                        Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple©ñs Stock Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-30 16:29 -0400
            Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-29 19:49 -0700
              Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-30 10:46 -0400
                Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple�s Stock AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-30 12:29 -0400
                  Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-30 13:13 -0400
                    Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-30 18:23 -0400
                      Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-30 22:10 -0400
                        Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-05-01 10:51 -0400
                    Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 10:04 +1000
                      Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-30 21:00 -0400
                        Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-30 22:14 -0400
                          Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-05-01 11:11 -0400
                            Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-01 14:37 -0400
                              Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-05-02 09:37 +1000
                        Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 13:30 +1000
                          Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-01 00:11 -0400
                            Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 14:24 +1000
                            Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-01 07:41 +0000
                      Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics ofthe NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-04-30 22:10 -0400
            Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-29 22:16 -0700
          Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-04-30 13:04 -0400
        Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple�s Stock awoolmeyer@gmail.com - 2015-04-30 05:22 -0700
          Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-30 11:16 -0700
            Re: Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple?s Stock Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-30 19:52 +0100
      Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-29 19:49 -0700
        Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-05-04 08:01 -0700
          Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-05-04 08:15 -0700
            Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-05-04 12:00 -0700
          Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple�s Stock "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 07:09 +1000
            Re: Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple�s Stock Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-05-04 21:43 +0000
              Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple�s Stock Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-05-05 04:03 +0000
    Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2015-04-29 22:57 -0400
    Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple¹s Stock Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-04-30 12:44 -0400

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#74818

On 2015-05-04 15:01:05 +0000, tmo1138 said:

>>> So that's who they are and what they're on about.
>> 
>> Basically, they're an anti-environment right wing advocacy group.
> 
> While I see no specific reference to them being ‘anti environment’,

Right, not really "anti-environment" just as the "pro-life" lobby isn't 
"anti-abortion". The NCPPR is a "pro-businesses-that-pollute" group, 
not "anti-environment.

> ...and they’re right.. Apple should not rely on taxpayer subsidies for 
> tax breaks
> for these programs - there is no long-term guarantee they’ll exist.

There's no long term guarantee that any tax breaks will exist in the 
long term, so I'm sure none of us should make use of them.

> But that aside I see nothing in the technology they’re implementing 
> that says they
> are money pits or investment sinkholes.I do not understand their stance with
> a company that is vastly profitable looking into ways to put less strain on
> the power grid in the US as they build centers for support and create jobs
> here.

It's a "slippery slope".  I don't know which one, but I'm sure they can 
explain it.

> Y’know.. I thought conservative groups were supposed to be ‘pro big
> business’..Here’s a company bringing jobs BACK into the US.. we should
> applauding that - not attacking it.

Depends on which "pro big business" you happening to be pimping for.

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#74834

On May 4, 2015, gtr wrote
(in article<2015050408153476375-xxx@yyyzzz>):

> On 2015-05-04 15:01:05 +0000, tmo1138 said:
> 
> > > > So that's who they are and what they're on about.
> > > 
> > > Basically, they're an anti-environment right wing advocacy group.
> > 
> > While I see no specific reference to them being ‘anti environment’,
> 
> Right, not really "anti-environment" just as the "pro-life" lobby isn't
> "anti-abortion". The NCPPR is a "pro-businesses-that-pollute" group,
> not "anti-environment.

Just as the “pro-choice” lobby isn’t “pro-child murder”? Slippery 
slope on that argument.One that will just put me off my coffee so I simply 
don’t engage people on.

Again I don’t see “pro businesses that pollute” spin there either..I 
understand the impression but without a clear set of facts behind it I have 
to a ‘missourish’ attitude.
> 
> 
> > ...and they’re right.. Apple should not rely on taxpayer subsidies for
> > tax breaks
> > for these programs - there is no long-term guarantee they’ll exist.
> 
> There's no long term guarantee that any tax breaks will exist in the
> long term, so I'm sure none of us should make use of them.

Very good point.
> 
> 
> > But that aside I see nothing in the technology they’re implementing
> > that says they
> > are money pits or investment sinkholes.I do not understand their stance 
with
> > a company that is vastly profitable looking into ways to put less strain on
> > the power grid in the US as they build centers for support and create jobs
> > here.
> 
> It's a "slippery slope". I don't know which one, but I'm sure they can
> explain it.

Again.. they’re profitable and I think they have every right to explore 
whatever options they want to.If the bulk of their investors had issue 
you’d see it in the stock prices.
> 
> 
> > Y’know.. I thought conservative groups were supposed to be ‘pro big
> > business’..Here’s a company bringing jobs BACK into the US.. we should
> > applauding that - not attacking it.
> 
> Depends on which "pro big business" you happening to be pimping for.

Indeed.. rather sad.. :-/

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#74836 — Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple�s Stock

"tmo1138" <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> wrote in message 
news:0001HW.1AF7C131007F99741165123CF@news.eternal-september.org...
> On Apr 29, 2015, Michelle Steiner wrote
> (in article<290420151949143141%michelle@michelle.org>):
>
>> In article<55417b86$0$36553$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter
>> <patty1@wintertime.com>wrote:
>>
>> > In article<290420151439177292%michelle@michelle.org>,
>> > Michelle Steiner<michelle@michelle.org>wrote:
>> > > <http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/tim-cook-soundly-rejects-politic
>> > > s-of-the-ncppr-suggests-group-sell-apples-s>
>> > >
>> > > ...the NCPPR representative asked Mr. Cook to commit right then and
>> > > there to doing only those things that were profitable.
>> > >
>> > > What ensued was the only time I can recall seeing Tim Cook angry, and
>> > > he categorically rejected the worldview behind the NCPPR's advocacy. 
>> > > He
>> > > said that there are many things Apple does because they are right and
>> > > just, and that a return on investment (ROI) was not the primary
>> > > consideration on such issues.
>> >
>> > I didn't know who these people were or why they were upset at Apple,
>> > so I followed the link in that article to their website and found out
>> > that they're the "National Center for Public Policy Research" and at
>> > this shareholders' meeting (which was in March), they introduced a
>> > shareholder resolution "asking the tech giant for more transparency
>> > about the risks associated with its alternative energy investments."
>> >
>> > Their press release about the meeting goes on to say, "Apple has
>> > invested hundreds of millions in alternative energy programs. These
>> > programs presently often enjoy significant taxpayer backing, but there
>> > is no guarantee that taxpayer subsidies will be permanent. We believe
>> > the board of directors should be forthright with shareholders about
>> > the extent of Apple's exposure to risk, should the popularity of causes
>> > like global warming wane, and voters and politicians lose interest in
>> > subsidizing green energy."
>> >
>> > So that's who they are and what they're on about.
>>
>> Basically, they're an anti-environment right wing advocacy group.
>
> While I see no specific reference to them being ‘anti environment’, and
> they’re right.. Apple should not rely on taxpayer subsidies for tax breaks
> for these programs - there is no long-term guarantee they’ll exist.But 
> that
> aside I see nothing in the technology they’re implementing that says they
> are money pits or investment sinkholes.I do not understand their stance 
> with
> a company that is vastly profitable looking into ways to put less strain 
> on the
> power grid in the US as they build centers for support and create jobs 
> here.

Apple is actually doing that in China, not the US.

> Y’know.. I thought conservative groups were supposed to be ‘pro
> big business’..Here’s a company bringing jobs BACK into the US..

Like hell it is with their manufacturing operations.

> we should applauding that - not attacking it.

Fraid not. 

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#74839 — Re: Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple�s Stock

In article <cqq5gdF66qaU1@mid.individual.net>,
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

[whole bunch of unneeded quotage deleted]


>"tmo1138" <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> wrote in message 
>news:0001HW.1AF7C131007F99741165123CF@news.eternal-september.org...
>>  I see nothing in the technology they’re implementing that says they
>> are money pits or investment sinkholes.I do not understand their stance 
>> with
>> a company that is vastly profitable looking into ways to put less strain 
>> on the
>> power grid in the US as they build centers for support and create jobs 
>> here.
>
>Apple is actually doing that in China, not the US.

No, they're also doing it in the U.S. They have a huge iCloud data center
in North Carolina that's supported by massive solar farms.


Patty

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#74869 — Re: Tim Cook Soundly Rejects Politics of the NCPPR, Suggests Group Sell Apple�s Stock

On 2015-05-04, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
> In article <cqq5gdF66qaU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [whole bunch of unneeded quotage deleted]
>
>
>>"tmo1138" <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> wrote in message 
>>news:0001HW.1AF7C131007F99741165123CF@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>  I see nothing in the technology they’re implementing that says they
>>>  are money pits or investment sinkholes.I do not understand their
>>>  stance with a company that is vastly profitable looking into ways
>>>  to put less strain on the power grid in the US as they build
>>>  centers for support and create jobs here.
>>
>>Apple is actually doing that in China, not the US.
>
> No, they're also doing it in the U.S. They have a huge iCloud data center
> in North Carolina that's supported by massive solar farms.

And the new campus will be as well.

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#74494

On 4/29/15 5:39 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> <http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/tim-cook-soundly-rejects-politic
> s-of-the-ncppr-suggests-group-sell-apples-s>
>
> ...the NCPPR representative asked Mr. Cook to commit right then and
> there to doing only those things that were profitable.
>
> What ensued was the only time I can recall seeing Tim Cook angry, and
> he categorically rejected the worldview behind the NCPPR's advocacy. He
> said that there are many things Apple does because they are right and
> just, and that a return on investment (ROI) was not the primary
> consideration on such issues.
>
> "When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind," he said,
> "I don't consider the bloody ROI." He said that the same thing about
> environmental issues, worker safety, and other areas where Apple is a
> leader.
>
> As evidenced by the use of "bloody" in his response‹the closest thing
> to public profanity I've ever seen from Mr. Cook­it was clear that he
> was quite angry. His body language changed, his face contracted, and he
> spoke in rapid fire sentences compared to the usual metered and
> controlled way he speaks.
>
> He didn't stop there, however, as he looked directly at the NCPPR
> representative and said, "If you want me to do things only for ROI
> reasons, you should get out of this stock."
>
Wasn't that article dated February 28, 2014?

In their own words, "The National Center's Free Enterprise Project is 
the nation's preeminent free-market corporate activist group. In 2014, 
Free Enterprise Project representatives participated in 52 shareholder 
meetings advancing free-market ideals in the areas of health care, 
energy, taxes, subsidies, regulations, religious freedom, food policies, 
media bias, gun rights, workers rights and many other important public 
policy issues."

..."The National Center for Public Policy Research, founded in 1982, is 
a non-partisan, free-market, independent conservative think-tank. 
Ninety-four percent of its support comes from individuals, less than 
four percent from foundations, and less than two percent from 
corporations. It receives over 350,000 individual contributions a year 
from over 96,000 active recent contributors."

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#74512

On 2015-04-29 17:39, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/tim-cook-soundly-rejects-politic
> s-of-the-ncppr-suggests-group-sell-apples-s


When I saw the post I thought it was yet another round, but this is old 
news.

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