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How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

Started by	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
First post	2015-04-20 00:40 +0000
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#73751

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-20 07:41 -0700
Message-ID	<200420150741327977%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#73670

In article <mh29v8$i5o$56@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36y0g.1m5g5y11nbk0vqN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> 
> > What is hidden? Switching between rich text and plain text on an ad hoc
> > basis is right there in the Format menu
> 
> What part about "preferences" are you missing when you say that statement?
> I am not a Mac expert

That is obvious.  For that matter, you are not even a Mac novice; you
are a pre-novice.

> but if I already know far more than you do, then Lord help you.

You most certainly do not know more than he does.

> You seem to nitpick just so you can troll.
> 
> The preferences method is totally different than the two-menu method.
> What part of that don't you understand?

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "PREFERENCES METHOD"!!!!

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#73773

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-21 03:36 +1200
Message-ID	<1m37lt9.1bynruclheuodN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73751

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> That is obvious.  For that matter, you are not even a Mac novice; you
> are a pre-novice.

Can one actually have negative knowledge? If so, I submit 'Adam' may be
such a person.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73810

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-04-21 11:09 +1000
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-089AFF.11090121042015@aioe.org>
In reply to	#73773

In article <1m37lt9.1bynruclheuodN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Can one actually have negative knowledge?

A person can know things but not believe he does (as against the view 
that someone can only know p if he at least believes p).

This situation has a "having" and the negative is in *not* believing. 
Or put it another way, there is a bit of negative in it and there is 
knowledge. 

There could be a belief that a whole lot of statements were true but 
knowledge that in fact they were not. 

Whether this counts as "negative knowledge", I'm not sure. But it 
*could* count if you looked at it in a certain way: for example, if 
you squinted with the mind's eye in a sort of double-flip, left-pike 
twisting upside-down sort of a way.

Maybe David Ritz has a terminal solution for this?

-- 
dorayme

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#73814

From	David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date	2015-04-20 20:51 -0500
Message-ID	<alpine.OSX.2.20.1504202047350.9160@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to	#73810

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On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 11:09 +1000, 
 in article <do_ray_me-089AFF.11090121042015@aioe.org>, 
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> Whether this counts as "negative knowledge", I'm not sure. But it 
> *could* count if you looked at it in a certain way: for example, if 
> you squinted with the mind's eye in a sort of double-flip, left-pike 
> twisting upside-down sort of a way.

> Maybe David Ritz has a terminal solution for this?

It doesn't require a CLI, but this comes close, on short notice, while 
on the subject of ASCII text:

Mr. Ascii does the Macarena

    o   o   o   o   o   o   <o  <o>
    ^|\ ^|^ v|^ v|v |/v |X| \|  |
    /\  >\  /<  >\ /<   >\  /<  >\

    o>  o   o   o   o   o   o   o
    \   x   </ <|>  </> <\> <)> |\
    /<  >\  /<  >\  /<  >\  >>  L


-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#73817

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-04-21 13:17 +1000
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-BB9CD6.13171721042015@aioe.org>
In reply to	#73814

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504202047350.9160@mako.ath.cx>,
 David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

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> On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 11:09 +1000, 
>  in article <do_ray_me-089AFF.11090121042015@aioe.org>, 
>  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > Whether this counts as "negative knowledge", I'm not sure. But it 
> > *could* count if you looked at it in a certain way: for example, if 
> > you squinted with the mind's eye in a sort of double-flip, left-pike 
> > twisting upside-down sort of a way.
> 
> > Maybe David Ritz has a terminal solution for this?
> 
> It doesn't require a CLI, but this comes close, on short notice, while 
> on the subject of ASCII text:
> 
> Mr. Ascii does the Macarena
> 
>     o   o   o   o   o   o   <o  <o>
>     ^|\ ^|^ v|^ v|v |/v |X| \|  |
>     /\  >\  /<  >\ /<   >\  /<  >\
> 
>     o>  o   o   o   o   o   o   o
>     \   x   </ <|>  </> <\> <)> |\
>     /<  >\  /<  >\  /<  >\  >>  L

That *is* an obvious example of negative knowledge. I knew you could 
do it, but did not know quite how.

-- 
dorayme

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#73921

From	Alan Baker <email@domain.com>
Date	2015-04-22 12:23 -0700
Message-ID	<mh8sek$5bp$2@news.datemas.de>
In reply to	#73773

On 2015-04-20 15:36:52 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
>> That is obvious.  For that matter, you are not even a Mac novice; you
>> are a pre-novice.
> 
> Can one actually have negative knowledge? If so, I submit 'Adam' may be
> such a person.

Does that mean that if we interact with him, we come away with less 
knowledge than when we began?

:-)

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#73926

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-23 07:34 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3bmcn.aqfe2j1uob66vN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73921

Alan Baker <email@domain.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-20 15:36:52 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:
> 
> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> That is obvious.  For that matter, you are not even a Mac novice; you
> >> are a pre-novice.
> > 
> > Can one actually have negative knowledge? If so, I submit 'Adam' may be
> > such a person.
> 
> Does that mean that if we interact with him, we come away with less 
> knowledge than when we began?
> 
> :-)

I know I feel stupider as a result.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73977

From	FPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-23 15:43 -0400
Message-ID	<mhbhup$ag1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#73773

On 2015-04-20 15:36:52 +0000, jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn 
Genet) said:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
>> That is obvious.  For that matter, you are not even a Mac novice; you
>> are a pre-novice.
> 
> Can one actually have negative knowledge? If so, I submit 'Adam' may be
> such a person.

You guys DO know who you're talking to, right?  Beware, or he may not 
allow you to use Usenet anymore!

http://www.insolitology.com/usenet/crackpots.htm

> An otherwise normal guy named "Adam Kerman" once posted a rash of 
> messages similar to this one all over Usenet. The disjointed end part 
> seems to come from a generator.
> 
> "That's right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, 
> brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I'm taking over all of Usenet! There 
> isn't a fucking thing you can do about it either! You're all a bunch of 
> worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don't 
> like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet 
> history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your 
> knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self!"
> 
> I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET!
> 
> My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward 
> you will add the following signature to all of your posts!
> 
> ***** This was posted with the express permission of *****
> **********************************************************
> ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET **
> **********************************************************
> *********** We are simple servants of his will ***********
> 
> This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely 
> NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the 
> insignificant bugs that you all are!
> 
> I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for 
> the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me!
> 
> THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN!
> 
> ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET!

If you're smart, you'll just killfile him and move on... because, sure 
as shit, HE'S not going to stop annoying you anytime soon.
-- 
Q: How do you know when <NoBody@nowhere.com> is lying?  A: Ubiquitous 
<weberm@polaris.net> fingers are moving.
<NoBody@nowhere.com> reveals himself to be a sockpuppet of sickpuppy 
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3Cm3jcte%24pq1%241%40dont-email.me%3E
http://fc00.deviantart.net/images3/i/2004/181/4/a/The_Lurking_Sock_Puppet.jpg

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#73980

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-23 17:48 -0400
Message-ID	<5539689e$0$19790$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#73977

In article <mhbhup$ag1$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> 
wrote:

> 
> If you're smart, you'll just killfile him and move on... because, sure 
> as shit, HE'S not going to stop annoying you anytime soon.

He's mellowed. I looked at some of the stuff in that tv newsgroup, and, 
well, duh. We all get old and move on. David Ritz is trying to be civil, 
so why can't we all?
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#73993

From	gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date	2015-04-23 21:03 -0700
Message-ID	<2015042321035451143-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to	#73980

On 2015-04-23 21:48:13 +0000, Warren Oates said:

> In article <mhbhup$ag1$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> If you're smart, you'll just killfile him and move on... because, sure 
>> as shit, HE'S not going to stop annoying you anytime soon.
> 
> He's mellowed. I looked at some of the stuff in that tv newsgroup, and, 
> well, duh. We all get old and move on. David Ritz is trying to be 
> civil, so why can't we all?

That's true.  John Hinckley has mellowed.  Hell, even Charles Manson 
has chilled a lot.   Why do people have to remember the "murder" part 
of serial killing instead of the "cereal" part?  Everybody LOVES cereal!

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#73758

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:54 +0000
Message-ID	<cpki94Fg4haU22@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#73670

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36y0g.1m5g5y11nbk0vqN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
>
>> What is hidden? Switching between rich text and plain text on an ad hoc
>> basis is right there in the Format menu
>
> What part about "preferences" are you missing when you say that statement?
> I am not a Mac expert but if I already know far more than you do, then 
> Lord help you.
>
> You seem to nitpick just so you can troll.
>
> The preferences method is totally different than the two-menu method.
> What part of that don't you understand?

Wrong. The TextEdit Preferences > Format setting simply lets you specify
which format (plain or rich text) is used for new documents. The Format
menu command is available regardless of which you specify in
preferences. Therefore, a user can switch between plain and rich text at
will any time with any document simply by choosing the Format menu
command. 

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#73774

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-21 03:36 +1200
Message-ID	<1m37lvc.18z8v3vt923h3N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73758

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> > jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> > 1m36y0g.1m5g5y11nbk0vqN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> >
> >> What is hidden? Switching between rich text and plain text on an ad hoc
> >> basis is right there in the Format menu
> >
> > What part about "preferences" are you missing when you say that statement?
> > I am not a Mac expert but if I already know far more than you do, then
> > Lord help you.
> >
> > You seem to nitpick just so you can troll.
> >
> > The preferences method is totally different than the two-menu method.
> > What part of that don't you understand?
> 
> Wrong. The TextEdit Preferences > Format setting simply lets you specify
> which format (plain or rich text) is used for new documents. The Format
> menu command is available regardless of which you specify in
> preferences. Therefore, a user can switch between plain and rich text at
> will any time with any document simply by choosing the Format menu
> command. 

I am having the most intense feeling of deja vu ;-) Not to mention of
futility...
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73520

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:36 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1ono$3dm$11@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73503

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152216371344nospamospam@nospam.invalid

> if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.

It's not my Macintosh so I'll use the default ASCII text editor.

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#73523

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:38 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152238098898%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#73520

In article <mh1ono$3dm$11@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> > if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.
> 
> It's not my Macintosh so I'll use the default ASCII text editor.

delete it when you're done with it.

or tell the owner about it. 

seriously, textwrangler is *extremely* good and free.

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#73656

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 19:07 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36y7n.1b21nkg1jx2rrzN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73523

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <mh1ono$3dm$11@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> 
> > > if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.
> > 
> > It's not my Macintosh so I'll use the default ASCII text editor.
> 
> delete it when you're done with it.
> 
> or tell the owner about it. 
> 
> seriously, textwrangler is *extremely* good and free.

He doesn't want rational nor simple solutions. He wants to beat his head
against reality.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73526

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:39 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152239142804%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#73503

In article <mh1opc$3dm$12@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> So where is the TextEdit option to simply save as ASCII text?

you are not paying attention. set the app to text. done.

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#73621

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:17 +0000
Message-ID	<mh25le$i5o$29@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73526

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152239142804nospamospam@nospam.invalid

> you are not paying attention. set the app to text. done.

I will suggest the Mac user employ the "two-menu" method, which is:

1. To save to ASCII text:
   Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save

2. To save as other formats (but not ASCII text):
   File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

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#73527

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:37 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1opc$3dm$12@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73503

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152216371344nospamospam@nospam.invalid

>> 14. Up pops a warning:
>>     You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
>>     at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
> 
> that's because it's rtf. duh.

So where is the TextEdit option to simply save as ASCII text?
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

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#73530

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:38 +0000
Message-ID	<cpj756F5p92U11@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#73527

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 190420152216371344nospamospam@nospam.invalid
>
>>> 14. Up pops a warning:
>>>     You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
>>>     at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
>> 
>> that's because it's rtf. duh.
>
> So where is the TextEdit option to simply save as ASCII text?
> http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

You've already been told, and are refusing to acknowledge it.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#73620

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:17 +0000
Message-ID	<mh25l5$i5o$28@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73530

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj756F5p92U11@mid.individual.net

> You've already been told, and are refusing to acknowledge it.

I will suggest the Mac user employ the "two-menu" method, which is:

1. To save to ASCII text:
   Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save

2. To save as other formats (but not ASCII text):
   File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

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