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  Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-03-28 09:17 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 20:52 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-28 16:00 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 23:06 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-29 03:00 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-29 23:51 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 12:48 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Buster Friendly <lah@de.da.ru.ru> - 2015-03-29 09:01 -0400
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 17:04 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-30 13:37 +1300
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-29 13:03 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 01:28 +0000

#72230 — Re: Newsreaders

On 2013-10-27 16:41:25 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> I'm trying Unison, and I'm not all that happy with it, but I guess that 
> I could learn to live with it...

There you go: Learning to live with an available newsgroup reader is 
the definition of the quest.

>   I've downloaded Thoth, but haven't tried it yet; is it worth giving it a try?

No, because you can't buy a serial/key for it.  It has a fair amount of 
value, but somebody out there doesn't want you to have it so sooner or 
later you'll be screwed.

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#72251

On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 09:17:05 -0700, gtr wrote:

> On 2013-10-27 16:41:25 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
> 
>> I'm trying Unison, and I'm not all that happy with it, but I guess that
>> I could learn to live with it...
> 
> There you go: Learning to live with an available newsgroup reader is the
> definition of the quest.
> 
>>   I've downloaded Thoth, but haven't tried it yet; is it worth giving
>>   it a try?
> 
> No, because you can't buy a serial/key for it.  It has a fair amount of
> value, but somebody out there doesn't want you to have it so sooner or
> later you'll be screwed.

I got a copy of Thoth, I think 1.8, and the author sent me the key since 
I bought it.  I have heard of other updates, but is the author off the 
grid or something?

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#72276

In article <mf749l$4eg$9@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
<sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> I got a copy of Thoth, I think 1.8, and the author sent me the key since 
> I bought it.  I have heard of other updates, but is the author off the 
> grid or something?

Yes, he went away in a huff; I think it's the third time he's done that.

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#72278

On 2015-03-28, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <mf749l$4eg$9@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
><sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> I got a copy of Thoth, I think 1.8, and the author sent me the key since 
>> I bought it.  I have heard of other updates, but is the author off the 
>> grid or something?
>
> Yes, he went away in a huff; I think it's the third time he's done that.

The guy is a jerk.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#72294

On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 23:06:13 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2015-03-28, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> In article <mf749l$4eg$9@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
>><sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I got a copy of Thoth, I think 1.8, and the author sent me the key
>>> since I bought it.  I have heard of other updates, but is the author
>>> off the grid or something?
>>
>> Yes, he went away in a huff; I think it's the third time he's done
>> that.
> 
> The guy is a jerk.

What happened to Brian Clarke, is it?  When I bought the app, I think it 
was $25, I sent him the money with a nice note, I didn't know at the time 
he had a "reputation".  Since then, I heard that he only would sell you 
the upgrades/keys if he felt good at the time!
Coming from the world of OS/2, which I was also using at the time, I did 
not understand pique by software writers(since most OS/2 software was 
written by IBM employees!).

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#72315

sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 23:06:13 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
> > On 2015-03-28, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >> In article <mf749l$4eg$9@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
> >><sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I got a copy of Thoth, I think 1.8, and the author sent me the key
> >>> since I bought it.  I have heard of other updates, but is the author
> >>> off the grid or something?
> >>
> >> Yes, he went away in a huff; I think it's the third time he's done
> >> that.
> > 
> > The guy is a jerk.
> 
> What happened to Brian Clarke, is it?  When I bought the app, I think it
> was $25, I sent him the money with a nice note, I didn't know at the time
> he had a "reputation".  Since then, I heard that he only would sell you
> the upgrades/keys if he felt good at the time!
> Coming from the world of OS/2, which I was also using at the time, I did
> not understand pique by software writers(since most OS/2 software was
> written by IBM employees!).

Basically he had public tantrums over Thoth not selling well enough,
being pirated, and accusations he stole open source code from
NewsWatcher (used with permission in his free Yet Another NewsWatcher
<http://www.macorchard.com/classic/usenet/YetAnotherNewsWatcher.php>
client - Thoth's predecessor) to use in Thoth.

Rather than take a sensible approach to Thoth not selling well, such as
simply not continuing development, or scaling back his support (as
MacSOUP's author did), in order to meet the reality of the now tiny Mac
Usenet client market; Brian threw several wobblies and on multiple
occasions has revoked sales and thus codes to enable Thoth to run past
it's trial period.

If his fantasy of whatever number of sales would be required to feed his
ego doesn't materialise, then dammit - he won't sell Thoth to _anyone_
LOL.

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#72319

On 2015-03-29, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> What happened to Brian Clarke, is it?  When I bought the app, I think it
>> was $25, I sent him the money with a nice note, I didn't know at the time
>> he had a "reputation".  Since then, I heard that he only would sell you
>> the upgrades/keys if he felt good at the time!
>> Coming from the world of OS/2, which I was also using at the time, I did
>> not understand pique by software writers(since most OS/2 software was
>> written by IBM employees!).
>
> Basically he had public tantrums over Thoth not selling well enough,
> being pirated, and accusations he stole open source code from
> NewsWatcher (used with permission in his free Yet Another NewsWatcher
><http://www.macorchard.com/classic/usenet/YetAnotherNewsWatcher.php>
> client - Thoth's predecessor) to use in Thoth.
>
> Rather than take a sensible approach to Thoth not selling well, such as
> simply not continuing development, or scaling back his support (as
> MacSOUP's author did), in order to meet the reality of the now tiny Mac
> Usenet client market; Brian threw several wobblies and on multiple
> occasions has revoked sales and thus codes to enable Thoth to run past
> it's trial period.
>
> If his fantasy of whatever number of sales would be required to feed his
> ego doesn't materialise, then dammit - he won't sell Thoth to _anyone_
> LOL.

That pretty much sums it up.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#72323

In article <1m22k56.b566tvqjxamN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> If his fantasy of whatever number of sales would be required to feed his
> ego doesn't materialise, then dammit - he won't sell Thoth to _anyone_
> LOL.

One of his little games involved "bundling" Thoth with a pretty poor 
"document viewer" and then demanding that you pay for the viewer; he had 
no right to charge for Thoth because the source-code didn't belong to 
him. To Be Fair: He didn't "steal" it, though.

When people refused to buy his crappy viewer (this at a time when Adobe 
Reader was available), he began throwing his fits. I've never used 
Thoth, and I won't even pirate it.
-- 
Too much kipple.

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#72349

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Buster Friendly <lah@de.da.ru.ru> was all, like:
> One of his little games involved "bundling" Thoth with a pretty poor 
> "document viewer" and then demanding that you pay for the viewer; he had 
> no right to charge for Thoth because the source-code didn't belong to 
> him. To Be Fair: He didn't "steal" it, though.

Yes he did. He claimed copyright on code he did not write. Well, we
assume since Toth looked like previous programs and had identical bugs
in several cases.

> When people refused to buy his crappy viewer (this at a time when Adobe 
> Reader was available), he began throwing his fits. I've never used 
> Thoth, and I won't even pirate it.

Same here.

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#72377

Buster Friendly <lah@de.da.ru.ru> wrote:

> In article <1m22k56.b566tvqjxamN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
>  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> 
> > If his fantasy of whatever number of sales would be required to feed his
> > ego doesn't materialise, then dammit - he won't sell Thoth to _anyone_
> > LOL.
> 
> One of his little games involved "bundling" Thoth with a pretty poor 
> "document viewer" and then demanding that you pay for the viewer; he had
> no right to charge for Thoth because the source-code didn't belong to
> him. To Be Fair: He didn't "steal" it, though.
> 
> When people refused to buy his crappy viewer (this at a time when Adobe
> Reader was available), he began throwing his fits. I've never used 
> Thoth, and I won't even pirate it.

Ah yeah, I'd forgotten about that. Didn't he also have a viewer app back
in YA-NW days as well?
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#72283

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <mf749l$4eg$9@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
> <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> 
> > I got a copy of Thoth, I think 1.8, and the author sent me the key since
> > I bought it.  I have heard of other updates, but is the author off the
> > grid or something?
> 
> Yes, he went away in a huff; I think it's the third time he's done that.

Only the third? :-D
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#72287

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> was all, like:
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>> In article <mf749l$4eg$9@dont-email.me>, sctvguy1
>> <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > I got a copy of Thoth, I think 1.8, and the author sent me the key since
>> > I bought it.  I have heard of other updates, but is the author off the
>> > grid or something?
>> 
>> Yes, he went away in a huff; I think it's the third time he's done that.

> Only the third? :-D

He's threatened it dozens of times.

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about the world, Vimes might just then have believed in destiny
controlling people. And gods help the other people who were around when
a big destiny was alive in the world, bending every poor bugger around
itself...

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