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  Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-27 23:57 +0000
    Re: Finally got my new iMac! dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-03-28 11:12 +1100
      Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 00:25 +0000
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-03-28 12:34 +1100
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 02:01 +0000
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-28 09:02 -0400
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 20:19 +0000
      Re: Finally got my new iMac! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-28 09:01 -0400
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 20:20 +0000
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-29 08:40 -0400
    Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 02:00 +0000
      Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 03:05 +0000
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-28 18:12 +1200
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 20:43 +0000
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-03-28 02:04 -0600
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 20:37 +0000
            Re: Finally got my new iMac! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-28 16:51 -0400
              Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 21:30 +0000
                Re: Finally got my new iMac! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-29 12:42 +1300
                  Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-29 03:29 +0000
            Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 21:10 +0000
              Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 21:38 +0000
                Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 22:26 +0000
                  Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-29 03:26 +0000
                    Re: Finally got my new iMac! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-29 18:01 +1300
                    Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 13:50 +0000
                    Re: Finally got my new iMac! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-04-02 12:40 -0400
            Re: Finally got my new iMac! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-29 09:19 +1200
              Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 21:39 +0000
              Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 22:20 +0000
                Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-29 03:02 +0000
                  Re: Finally got my new iMac! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-29 17:19 +1200
                    Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-29 04:27 +0000
                      Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 13:48 +0000
                  Re: Finally got my new iMac! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-29 18:01 +1300
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-28 22:03 +1300
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 20:34 +0000
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-28 21:42 +0000
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 20:52 +0000
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 21:28 +0000
            Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 22:23 +0000
            Re: Finally got my new iMac! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-29 13:45 +1200
              Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-29 03:35 +0000
                Re: Finally got my new iMac! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-29 17:15 +1200
                Re: Finally got my new iMac! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-29 08:55 -0400
                  Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-29 14:34 +0000
                    Re: Finally got my new iMac! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-29 18:16 -0400
                Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 13:42 +0000
                  Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-29 14:31 +0000
                    Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 14:48 +0000
                      Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-29 15:36 +0000
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-29 08:49 -0400
            Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 13:52 +0000
      Re: Finally got my new iMac! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-28 09:04 -0400
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-28 15:16 -0400
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 20:17 +0000
            Re: Finally got my new iMac! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-28 16:29 -0400
            Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 21:01 +0000
            Re: Finally got my new iMac! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-28 17:11 -0400
              Re: Finally got my new iMac! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-28 17:16 -0400
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-28 16:29 -0400
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 20:58 +0000
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 20:55 +0000
    Re: Finally got my new iMac! DaveC <not@home.cow> - 2015-03-27 23:52 -0700
      Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 20:39 +0000
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-03-29 01:31 -0700
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-29 14:48 +0000
    Re: Finally got my new iMac! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-28 22:03 +1300
      Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-28 20:32 +0000
        Re: Finally got my new iMac! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-29 12:27 +1300
          Re: Finally got my new iMac! sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-29 02:55 +0000
            Re: Finally got my new iMac! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-29 18:01 +1300
              Re: Finally got my new iMac! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-29 02:20 -0700
                Re: Finally got my new iMac! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-29 23:41 +1300
                  Re: Finally got my new iMac! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-29 23:43 +1300
                Re: Finally got my new iMac! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 17:28 +0000
                  Re: Finally got my new iMac! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-29 10:47 -0700
                    Re: Finally got my new iMac! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-29 11:25 -0700
                    Re: Finally got my new iMac! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 22:12 +0000
                      Re: Finally got my new iMac! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-29 15:34 -0700
              Re: Finally got my new iMac! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 17:24 +0000

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#72240

In article <5516fdf9$0$46572$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> With Yosemite, you need to disable the walled garden with NVRAM settings
> to install kernel extensions.

bad idea.

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#72253

On 2015-03-28, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-03-28 09:04, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> OS X is not a walled garden.  More of a courtyard on the highest hill in 
>> the realm.
>
> With Yosemite, you need to disable the walled garden with NVRAM settings
> to install kernel extensions.

No you don't. Plenty of extensions install without issue. You only have
to do what you suggest to install *unsigned* and *untrusted* kernel
extensions. And I happen to know the particular kernel extension you are
talking about is to enable TRIM support for certain (crappy) third-party
SSDs that do not perform well without TRIM enabled. Many popular SSDs
have moved beyond TRIM and perform well without TRIM support.

> It is not known if Apple will stop tightening things at the current
> level or further tighten the restrictions to possibly eventually arrive
> at a fully enforced walled garden. Apple knows, I don't.

More doom and gloom from the resident troll. Keep on trollin', trollboi.

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#72252

On 2015-03-28, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-03-27 22:00, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>> It may be a "walled garden", but the "open" alternatives come with
>> prices I am not willing to pay in terms of clunkiness of the user
>> experience and so on. I've owned and developed software for all of the
>> mainstream operating systems, and Apple's are in many ways more user
>> friendly and also preferable from a software development standpoint, and
>> allow me to get shit done faster and more efficiently than most of the
>> others. The price of "open" is your time. And my time is worth more than
>> that, which is why I giggle a bit inside whenever I see someone using
>> the phrase "walled garden".
>
> OS X is not a walled garden.  More of a courtyard on the highest hill in 
> the realm.
>
> Easy to defend yet allows for all sorts of apps, one can roll ones own 
> (as I do) and has security features with a lot of flexibility.

That's a better way to describe it, yep.

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#72211

> After weeks of research, and asking for help from the denizens of this
> group(especially JR and David Empson), I got an Apple iMac 20-inch
> 2
Congrats drm! A great model and quite capable of doing everything asked of 
it.

Cheers,
DaveC

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#72246

On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:52:58 -0700, DaveC wrote:

>> After weeks of research, and asking for help from the denizens of this
>> group(especially JR and David Empson), I got an Apple iMac 20-inch 2
> Congrats drm! A great model and quite capable of doing everything asked
> of it.
> 
> Cheers,
> DaveC

Thank you, I hope that this model lasts!  I only will use it in a limited 
manner, mainly for iTunes and my old iPhotos.  My Linux machine, running 
an enterprise linux(Scientific Linux 6.6) is my main workhorse.

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#72311

In article <mf73h5$4eg$7@dont-email.me>,
 sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:52:58 -0700, DaveC wrote:
> 
> >> After weeks of research, and asking for help from the denizens of this
> >> group(especially JR and David Empson), I got an Apple iMac 20-inch 2
> > Congrats drm! A great model and quite capable of doing everything asked
> > of it.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > DaveC
> 
> Thank you, I hope that this model lasts!  I only will use it in a limited 
> manner, mainly for iTunes and my old iPhotos.  My Linux machine, running 
> an enterprise linux(Scientific Linux 6.6) is my main workhorse.

Why something so old?  SL 7.0 is out now and based on Fedora 19.  SL 6.6 
is based on a variant of Fedora 12, which is *ancient*.

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#72336

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 01:31:34 -0700, Michael Vilain wrote:

> In article <mf73h5$4eg$7@dont-email.me>,
>  sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:52:58 -0700, DaveC wrote:
>> 
>> >> After weeks of research, and asking for help from the denizens of
>> >> this group(especially JR and David Empson), I got an Apple iMac
>> >> 20-inch 2
>> > Congrats drm! A great model and quite capable of doing everything
>> > asked of it.
>> > 
>> > Cheers,
>> > DaveC
>> 
>> Thank you, I hope that this model lasts!  I only will use it in a
>> limited manner, mainly for iTunes and my old iPhotos.  My Linux
>> machine, running an enterprise linux(Scientific Linux 6.6) is my main
>> workhorse.
> 
> Why something so old?  SL 7.0 is out now and based on Fedora 19.  SL 6.6
> is based on a variant of Fedora 12, which is *ancient*.

SL 7.0 is 64bit only, and all my stuff is 32bit.  My Thinkpads, both 
T400s have 64 bit Core 2 Duo processors, but one only had 3gigs/ram, the 
other just 4, the limit.  I did burn/install SL 7.0 and try it out, it 
was,and is, buggy, according to the SL Forums and the CentOS forums for 
their version.  Plus, it ran like a dog on my laptops.
Besides, SL/Centos/RH 6.x is supported until 2020!  I have hacked around 
and have the latest Google Chrome running, all the newest Mozilla stuff, 
VLC, Skype, and other newest stuff, because I also run the newest kernel, 
now 3.19.3 which I get from ElRepo kernel updates.
So, even though it is based on Fedora 12, I am still up-to-date with all 
the newest stuff for the next five years!

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#72216

sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> After weeks of research, and asking for help from the denizens of this
> group(especially JR and David Empson), I got an Apple iMac 20-inch 
> 2.26GHz Core 2 Duo (Mid 2009) MC015LL/B from Mac of All Trades.  It was a
> former educational model(checked out the specs on everymac.com) made from
> 2010 to 2012.

Congratulations, and good luck.

Interestingly MacTracker seems to be missing that variant. It has the
MC015LL/A which is 2.0 GHz, but no mention of a 2.26 GHz Mid 2009 iMac.
I've alerted the author and he'll hopefully add it in an update.

The only difference appears to be the processor speed.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#72243

On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 22:03:26 +1300, David Empson wrote:

> sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> 
>> After weeks of research, and asking for help from the denizens of this
>> group(especially JR and David Empson), I got an Apple iMac 20-inch
>> 2.26GHz Core 2 Duo (Mid 2009) MC015LL/B from Mac of All Trades.  It was
>> a former educational model(checked out the specs on everymac.com) made
>> from 2010 to 2012.
> 
> Congratulations, and good luck.
> 
> Interestingly MacTracker seems to be missing that variant. It has the
> MC015LL/A which is 2.0 GHz, but no mention of a 2.26 GHz Mid 2009 iMac.
> I've alerted the author and he'll hopefully add it in an update.
> 
> The only difference appears to be the processor speed.

Thanks, David.  Here is the link to this particular model:
http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=MC015LL%2FB

It comes from Mac of all Trades, a company that has been doing this for 
20 years.  It also only comes with Snow Leopard 10.6, and nothing else, 
since the iLife stuff was only licensed to the original owner, it said.
How would I upgrade this machine to 10.10?  Also, which version of iLife 
would I have to purchase?  I have tons of old iPhoto stuff and iTunes on 
my old G4 iMac, which I have backed up on a LaCie 350gig hdd.

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#72280

sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 22:03:26 +1300, David Empson wrote:
> 
> > sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> After weeks of research, and asking for help from the denizens of this
> >> group(especially JR and David Empson), I got an Apple iMac 20-inch
> >> 2.26GHz Core 2 Duo (Mid 2009) MC015LL/B from Mac of All Trades.  It was
> >> a former educational model(checked out the specs on everymac.com) made
> >> from 2010 to 2012.
> > 
> > Congratulations, and good luck.
> > 
> > Interestingly MacTracker seems to be missing that variant. It has the
> > MC015LL/A which is 2.0 GHz, but no mention of a 2.26 GHz Mid 2009 iMac.
> > I've alerted the author and he'll hopefully add it in an update.
> > 
> > The only difference appears to be the processor speed.
> 
> Thanks, David.  Here is the link to this particular model:
> http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=MC015LL%2FB
> 
> It comes from Mac of all Trades, a company that has been doing this for
> 20 years.  It also only comes with Snow Leopard 10.6, and nothing else,
> since the iLife stuff was only licensed to the original owner, it said.

That is wrong for the computer in question.

For Macs which came with Snow Leopard or earlier preinstalled (i.e.
bundled install/restore DVDs), the copy of iLife is licensed as part of
the computer (as is the operating system). If the computer is sold, the
licence for all bundled software goes to the new owner of the computer.

For Macs which came with Lion or later (i.e. no bundled install/restore
DVDs), the preinstalled iLife applications are licensed to the person
who first "accepts" the ownership of those applications under their
Apple ID. That licence is not transferrable, so if the computer is sold,
the new owner has to get their own copy of the iLife applications.

> How would I upgrade this machine to 10.10?

1. If the computer is running an older minor version of 10.6, use
Software Update to get it up to 10.6.8.

2. Use App Store to download and install Yosemite (free).

> Also, which version of iLife would I have to purchase? I have tons of old
> iPhoto stuff and iTunes on my old G4 iMac, which I have backed up on a
> LaCie 350gig hdd.

If you are planning to upgrade to Yosemite, don't buy iLife (on DVD) at
all, unless you want iDVD.

Upgrading to Yosemite will give you access to the current version of
iPhoto as a free download from App Store. You will also need a free
library migration tool to convert your much older iPhoto library to an
intermediate format which can be read by the current iPhoto.

https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1523

If you want iMovie and/or Garageband, the easiest option is to buy the
current version from App Store once you are running Yosemite. I haven't
investigated which older versions even work in Yosemite.

iDVD was discontinued when Lion was released. If you want it, the final
version (7) was part of iLife '08, iLife '09 and iLife '11.

iWeb was also discontinued when Lion was released, and some of it is no
longer useful since Apple has discontinued MobileMe. If you really want
it, the final version (3) was part of iLife '09 and iLife '11.

If you really want iDVD, then locate a retail copy of iLife '11, since
that has the latest version. It is also the only retail version of iLife
which entitles you to free upgrades to the latest iMovie and Garageband.

I don't know whether iDVD and iWeb still works in Yosemite but you may
get some clues about these sorts of questions by referring to: 

http://roaringapps.com

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#72293

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:27:59 +1300, David Empson wrote:


> That is wrong for the computer in question.


Perhaps, because the model that I bought was sold only to educational 
institutions?  Maybe that is why it only sold for $800?

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#72307

sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:27:59 +1300, David Empson wrote:
> 
> 
> > That is wrong for the computer in question.
> 
> Perhaps, because the model that I bought was sold only to educational
> institutions?  Maybe that is why it only sold for $800?

The only question should be whether iLife even came with the computer. I
haven't seen an education-only iMac in its original packaging so don't
know if Apple handles it differently. If it was included, the licence
terms should be the same.

The bundled software was unlikely to make a difference to the price. Its
original price was low partly because of lower pricing on educational
sales, but mostly due to being lower hardware specifications than the
contemporary retail model.

Assuming your education model was introduced before July 2010, then the
contemporary retail model was the entry level 21.5-inch Late 2009 iMac.

Both had Core 2 Duo processors, but the education model was slower (2.26
GHz vs 3.06 GHz) and from one earlier generation (Penryn vs Wolfdale).
Hard drive was 160 GB vs 500 GB. Possibly older mouse (Mighty vs Magic).
Maximum memory is 8 GB vs 16 GB (2 slots vs 4). Lower resolution display
(1680x1050 vs 1920x1080). The education model had a TFT display vs IPS
for the retail model. Same graphics controller. The education model was
missing Bluetooth, IR receiver and SD card slot.

If the 2.26 GHz education model came after July 2010 then it is even
further behind the 21.5-inch Mid 2010 iMac, which had a Core i3
processor, more L3 cache, faster system bus, faster memory, and an SDXC
card slot.

Incidentally, if you want to know when your iMac was manufactured, for a
Mac of that age with a 12-character serial number, look at the first
five characters of its serial number. Skip the first two. The third
character is the last digit of the year of manufacture, which should be
a 0 for yours. The next two are the week of manufacture.

Later 13-character serial numbers are harder to decode but I have the
details at least for the manufacture date.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#72312

On 2015-03-29 05:01:25 +0000, David Empson said:

> sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:27:59 +1300, David Empson wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> That is wrong for the computer in question.
>> 
>> Perhaps, because the model that I bought was sold only to educational
>> institutions?  Maybe that is why it only sold for $800?
> 
> The only question should be whether iLife even came with the computer. I
> haven't seen an education-only iMac in its original packaging so don't
> know if Apple handles it differently. If it was included, the licence
> terms should be the same.
> 
> The bundled software was unlikely to make a difference to the price. Its
> original price was low partly because of lower pricing on educational
> sales, but mostly due to being lower hardware specifications than the
> contemporary retail model.
> 
> Assuming your education model was introduced before July 2010, then the
> contemporary retail model was the entry level 21.5-inch Late 2009 iMac.
> 
> Both had Core 2 Duo processors, but the education model was slower (2.26
> GHz vs 3.06 GHz) and from one earlier generation (Penryn vs Wolfdale).
> Hard drive was 160 GB vs 500 GB. Possibly older mouse (Mighty vs Magic).
> Maximum memory is 8 GB vs 16 GB (2 slots vs 4). Lower resolution display
> (1680x1050 vs 1920x1080). The education model had a TFT display vs IPS
> for the retail model. Same graphics controller. The education model was
> missing Bluetooth, IR receiver and SD card slot.
> 
> If the 2.26 GHz education model came after July 2010 then it is even
> further behind the 21.5-inch Mid 2010 iMac, which had a Core i3
> processor, more L3 cache, faster system bus, faster memory, and an SDXC
> card slot.
> 
> Incidentally, if you want to know when your iMac was manufactured, for a
> Mac of that age with a 12-character serial number, look at the first
> five characters of its serial number. Skip the first two. The third
> character is the last digit of the year of manufacture, which should be
> a 0 for yours. The next two are the week of manufacture.
> 
> Later 13-character serial numbers are harder to decode but I have the
> details at least for the manufacture date.

OK! that deals with 12 & 13 character seriel numbers for 2010 Macs.
What about 11 character serial numbers?
Here are the specs for my  Mid-2010 21.5 inch.

Model Name:					iMac
Model Identifier:				iMac11,2
Processor Name:			Intel Core i5
Processor Speed:			3.6 GHz
Number of Processors:		1
Total Number of Cores:		2
L2 Cache (per core):		256 KB
L3 Cache:					4 MB
Memory:						16 GB 1333MHz DDR3
Storage:						3 TB Toshiba
Processor Interconnect Speed:  6.4 GT/s
Boot ROM Version:			IM112.0057.B01
SMC Version (system):		1.64f5
Serial Number (system):	QP0330WYDNN
Hardware UUID:		28D25F86-113B-5CD6-A78E-79C027BABE37


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#72313

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2015-03-29 05:01:25 +0000, David Empson said:
> 
> > Incidentally, if you want to know when your iMac was manufactured, for a
> > Mac of that age with a 12-character serial number, look at the first
> > five characters of its serial number. Skip the first two. The third
> > character is the last digit of the year of manufacture, which should be
> > a 0 for yours. The next two are the week of manufacture.
> > 
> > Later 13-character serial numbers are harder to decode but I have the
> > details at least for the manufacture date.
> 
> OK! that deals with 12 & 13 character seriel numbers for 2010 Macs.

Sorry, I was off by one - it is 11-character serial numbers for models
up to 2010 (with the pattern I described for the first five characters),
12-character serial numbers for some models starting in 2010 and all
models introduced since then.

> What about 11 character serial numbers?
> Here are the specs for my  Mid-2010 21.5 inch.
> 
> Model Name:                                   iMac
> Model Identifier:                             iMac11,2

[...]

> Serial Number (system):       QP0330WYDNN

That's the easy 11-character format, which is the one I described.
Ignore the first two, the next three indicate a year of 0, which could
be either 2000 or 2010, but that model didn't exist in 2000 so it must
be 2010; the 33 is the week number. (For reference, the first two
characters indicate the location/factory it was manufactured, but I
don't have a list to decode them. The remaining characters somehow
encode the model/variant and a sequence number but I haven't tried to
analyse it.)

The more recent 12-character format encodes the manufacture date in the
4th and 5th characters. The 4th character indicates the half-year, and
the 5th indicates the week within the half-year.

The encoding is complicated enough that I use a lookup table to decode
them.

The half-year code started with C for the first half of 2010. After that
it uses ascending letters of the alphabet, skipping vowels: we're up to
P for the first half of 2015.

The week code uses 1 to 9 then letters of the alphabet starting with C,
again skipping vowels and also skipping S, since it could be mistaken
for 5. B is skipped because it could be mistaken for 8. I don't know yet
whether the year code will also skip S: we'll need to see if any serial
numbers in the second half of 2015 have an S or T in that position. The
half-year position doesn't use a digit, so there is no ambiguity between
5 and S.

For example, my MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013) has a serial
number which starts with C02LL. The LL indicates second half of 2013,
week 17 within that half year, thus week 43 within the year.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#72314

David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 2015-03-29 05:01:25 +0000, David Empson said:
> > 
> > > Incidentally, if you want to know when your iMac was manufactured, for a
> > > Mac of that age with a 12-character serial number, look at the first
> > > five characters of its serial number. Skip the first two. The third
> > > character is the last digit of the year of manufacture, which should be
> > > a 0 for yours. The next two are the week of manufacture.
> > > 
> > > Later 13-character serial numbers are harder to decode but I have the
> > > details at least for the manufacture date.
> > 
> > OK! that deals with 12 & 13 character seriel numbers for 2010 Macs.
> 
> Sorry, I was off by one - it is 11-character serial numbers for models
> up to 2010 (with the pattern I described for the first five characters),
> 12-character serial numbers for some models starting in 2010 and all
> models introduced since then.
> 
> > What about 11 character serial numbers?
> > Here are the specs for my  Mid-2010 21.5 inch.
> > 
> > Model Name:                                   iMac
> > Model Identifier:                             iMac11,2
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Serial Number (system):       QP0330WYDNN
> 
> That's the easy 11-character format, which is the one I described.
> Ignore the first two, the next three indicate a year of 0, which could
> be either 2000 or 2010, but that model didn't exist in 2000 so it must
> be 2010; the 33 is the week number. (For reference, the first two
> characters indicate the location/factory it was manufactured, but I
> don't have a list to decode them. The remaining characters somehow
> encode the model/variant and a sequence number but I haven't tried to
> analyse it.)
> 
> The more recent 12-character format encodes the manufacture date in the
> 4th and 5th characters. The 4th character indicates the half-year, and
> the 5th indicates the week within the half-year.
> 
> The encoding is complicated enough that I use a lookup table to decode
> them.
> 
> The half-year code started with C for the first half of 2010. After that
> it uses ascending letters of the alphabet, skipping vowels: we're up to
> P for the first half of 2015.
> 
> The week code uses 1 to 9 then letters of the alphabet starting with C,
> again skipping vowels and also skipping S, since it could be mistaken
> for 5. B is skipped because it could be mistaken for 8. I don't know yet
> whether the year code will also skip S: we'll need to see if any serial
> numbers in the second half of 2015 have an S or T in that position. The
> half-year position doesn't use a digit, so there is no ambiguity between
> 5 and S.

Typo. That should have said "second half of 2016".

> For example, my MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013) has a serial
> number which starts with C02LL. The LL indicates second half of 2013,
> week 17 within that half year, thus week 43 within the year.


-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#72352

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> was all, like:
> Serial Number (system):	QP0330WYDNN

Built in the USA (QP) in August (week 33) of 2010 (0).

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The Auditors avoided death by never going so far as to get a life --The
Thief of Time
"I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -
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#72354

On 2015-03-29 17:28:40 +0000, Lewis said:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Savageduck 
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> was all, like:
>> Serial Number (system):	QP0330WYDNN
> 
> Built in the USA (QP) in August (week 33) of 2010 (0).

So that is why delivery was very fast.  ;-)

...and they say that there has been no manufacturing in the USA for 
years. That was an interesting snippet of information.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#72356

In article <2015032910471499701-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMme.com>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2015-03-29 17:28:40 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
> > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Savageduck 
> > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> was all, like:
> >> Serial Number (system):  QP0330WYDNN
> > 
> > Built in the USA (QP) in August (week 33) of 2010 (0).
> 
> So that is why delivery was very fast.  ;-)
> 
> ...and they say that there has been no manufacturing in the USA for 
> years. That was an interesting snippet of information.

Well, 2010 was five years ago.

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#72367

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> was all, like:
> On 2015-03-29 17:28:40 +0000, Lewis said:

>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Savageduck 
>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> was all, like:
>>> Serial Number (system):	QP0330WYDNN
>> 
>> Built in the USA (QP) in August (week 33) of 2010 (0).

> So that is why delivery was very fast.  ;-)

> ...and they say that there has been no manufacturing in the USA for 
> years. That was an interesting snippet of information.

Quite a lot of small-run things were built in the USA. A low-volume
obsolete Mac seems ideal.

-- 
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“If you want to get rich from writing, write the sort of thing that's
read by persons who move their lips when they're reading to themselves.” 
   ― Don Marquis

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#72370

On 2015-03-29 22:12:44 +0000, Lewis said:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Savageduck 
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> was all, like:
>> On 2015-03-29 17:28:40 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Savageduck
>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> was all, like:
>>>> Serial Number (system):	QP0330WYDNN
>>> 
>>> Built in the USA (QP) in August (week 33) of 2010 (0).
> 
>> So that is why delivery was very fast.  ;-)
> 
>> ...and they say that there has been no manufacturing in the USA for
>> years. That was an interesting snippet of information.
> 
> Quite a lot of small-run things were built in the USA. A low-volume
> obsolete Mac seems ideal.

Well it wasn't obsolete back then. However, it was built to order with 
the 3.6 GHz Core i5, so that might well have it considered "low-volume".
Regardless, it is still running (now on OSX 10.10.2) and doing what I 
need it to do.
-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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