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  Little faults... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-03-25 07:58 +1100
    Re: Little faults... Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-25 14:21 -0700
      Re: Little faults... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-03-26 09:32 +1100
        Re: Little faults... Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-25 19:55 -0700
          Re: Little faults... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-03-26 15:05 +1100
            Re: Little faults... Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-25 22:22 -0700
              Re: Little faults... Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-03-26 10:52 -0400
                Re: Little faults... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-26 15:23 +0000
                Re: Little faults... Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-27 20:48 -0700
                  Re: Little faults... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-03-28 15:01 +1100
                  Re: Little faults... Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-28 10:11 +0000
                    Re: Little faults... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-03-29 10:03 +1100
              Re: Little faults... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-03-27 07:41 +1100
                Re: Little faults... Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-27 20:43 -0700
                  Re: Little faults... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-03-28 14:57 +1100
          Re: Little faults... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-25 21:53 -0700
            Re: Little faults... Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-26 05:30 +0000
    Re: Little faults... Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-25 19:04 -0400

#72014 — Little faults...

Was copying a file to an external usb disk and while it was in the 
process, tried to also move it from the desktop to a particular other 
folder on the internal startup hard disk. Notice came up saying

"“nameOfFile” can’t be opened right now because it’s being used by 
another task, such as moving or copying an item or emptying the Trash. 
Try again when the current task is complete."

No problem, of course; in designing an OS it would be hard to think of 
everything down to the last detail!

-- 
dorayme

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#72058

On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 07:58:07 +1100
dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> Was copying a file to an external usb disk and while it was in the 
> process, tried to also move it from the desktop to a particular other 

this is a documented feature
do you see it as a bug

have you filed a feature request
I don't know how but maybe it's possible











 

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#72073

In article <mev8tg$jo2$3@dont-email.me>,
 Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 07:58:07 +1100
> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > Was copying a file to an external usb disk and while it was in the 
> > process, tried to also move it from the desktop to a particular other 
> 
> this is a documented feature


Please cite reference

> do you see it as a bug
> 

It (the notice you chose not to quote) seems obviously untrue, so is 
that a bug or just a bit of minor slipshoddery?

> have you filed a feature request

Hardly worth it over so trivial a matter. But, you must understand at 
least that there is nothing in heaven or on earth that is so 
unimportant that it can't be mentioned on usenet. <g>

-- 
dorayme

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#72087

On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:32:00 +1100
dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> Please cite reference

I'm not sure where it'd be documented but someone said that macosx
is "certified unix" which sounds like certified <fill in the blank>
but i digress

maybe the openstandards site will have the specifics about starting
a cp then moving the source before the cp has finished

> It (the notice you chose not to quote) seems obviously untrue, so is 
> that a bug or just a bit of minor slipshoddery?

bug, slipshoddery or feature
I guess it's a feature just from my *n{u,i}x experience

> Hardly worth it over so trivial a matter. But, you must understand at 
> least that there is nothing in heaven or on earth that is so 
> unimportant that it can't be mentioned on usenet. <g>

most def


but it may be a fun exploratory to try to file a feature request
against macosx
I'd like to read about it because I have no idea how or if it
is possible










 

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#72093

In article <mevseu$560$2@dont-email.me>,
 Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:32:00 +1100
> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > Please cite reference
> 
> I'm not sure where it'd be documented

That surprised me, why did you say originally "this is a documented 
feature"?

-- 
dorayme

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#72098

On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:55 +1100
dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
 
> That surprised me, why did you say originally "this is a documented 
> feature"?

because it's documented
how hard was that
how hard did you look for the docs
do you care
someone here no doubt has links to all the docs and aapple may even
host them also

but the body/ccommiittee/whatever for unixx will have the docs too
but please keep going on about nothing it's more productive than
finding an answer to life, universe and everything about mv and cp

actually I think those guys that thrived on mountains of paperwork
in hitchhiker's are equivalent to the unix certification body so
expect to find those docs in triplicate


how big was the file you cp and mv
was it iso9000







 

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#72113

In article <mf0536$oep$1@dont-email.me>,
 Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:55 +1100
> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>  
> > That surprised me, why did you say originally "this is a documented 
> > feature"?
> 
> because it's documented
> how hard was that
> how hard did you look for the docs
> do you care
> someone here no doubt has links to all the docs and aapple may even
> host them also
> 
> but the body/ccommiittee/whatever for unixx will have the docs too
> but please keep going on about nothing it's more productive than
> finding an answer to life, universe and everything about mv and cp

What does the Unix specification have to do with Finder behavior? Finder 
is an OS X-specific application, not addressed by the POSIX committee.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#72116

On 2015-03-26, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <mf0536$oep$1@dont-email.me>,
>  Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:55 +1100
>> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>  
>> > That surprised me, why did you say originally "this is a documented 
>> > feature"?
>> 
>> because it's documented
>> how hard was that
>> how hard did you look for the docs
>> do you care
>> someone here no doubt has links to all the docs and aapple may even
>> host them also
>> 
>> but the body/ccommiittee/whatever for unixx will have the docs too
>> but please keep going on about nothing it's more productive than
>> finding an answer to life, universe and everything about mv and cp
>
> What does the Unix specification have to do with Finder behavior? Finder 
> is an OS X-specific application, not addressed by the POSIX committee.

I think you'll find "Electric Comet" talks a whole lot of BS from a
position of ignorance. He's just not very knowledgeable about these
things. I usually just ignore him.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#72196

On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:52:03 -0400
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> What does the Unix specification have to do with Finder behavior?
> Finder is an OS X-specific application, not addressed by the POSIX
> committee.

the OP will be happy to know this
you've narrowed it down
i expected someone to point to the docs, the OP got multiple choices


i guess no one here knows the answer
maybe too busy deciding on which iwatch to get













 

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#72201

In article <mf58ba$ell$4@dont-email.me>,
 Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:52:03 -0400
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > What does the Unix specification have to do with Finder behavior?
> > Finder is an OS X-specific application, not addressed by the POSIX
> > committee.
> 
> the OP will be happy to know this

How would you know? Why would you even guess this? I am getting the 
impression that you may be a 12V system plugged directly into a 240V 
outlet or maybe even vice-versa. Please check your specs, something 
has gone wrong with your Comet.

-- 
dorayme

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#72220

On 2015-03-28, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:52:03 -0400
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> What does the Unix specification have to do with Finder behavior?
>> Finder is an OS X-specific application, not addressed by the POSIX
>> committee.
>
> the OP will be happy to know this

The OP (me) is already well aware of this.


-- 
Today is Boomtime, the 14th day of Discord in the YOLD 3181
                  I don't have an attitude problem.
    If you have a problem with my attitude, that's your problem.

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#72277

In article <cnnd1mFqmcgU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> The OP (me) ...

Oy! How did you work that one out?

-- 
dorayme

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#72137

In article <mf0536$oep$1@dont-email.me>,
 Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:55 +1100
> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>  
> > That surprised me, why did you say originally "this is a documented 
> > feature"?
> 
> because it's documented
> how hard was that

The question, which you have still not answered, is *what exactly*, is 
relevant to the notice I quoted? You keep on snipping the notice that 
came up which I quoted and the context in which it came up. And you 
don't explain why I should look anything up?

-- 
dorayme

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#72195

On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 07:41:17 +1100
dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> The question, which you have still not answered, is *what exactly*,
> is relevant to the notice I quoted? You keep on snipping the notice

go look at the opengroup website for your answers or keep asking here

look for expected behavior for a mv of the source while a cp of the
source is underway

















 

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#72199

In article <mf5829$ell$3@dont-email.me>,
 Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
 
> go look at the opengroup website for your answers

What are you imagining are my questions?

-- 
dorayme

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#72097

In article <mevseu$560$2@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet
<electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> 'm not sure where it'd be documented but someone said that macosx
> is "certified unix" which sounds like certified <fill in the blank>
> but i digress

<http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm>

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#72100

In article <250320152153081697%michelle@michelle.org>,
Michelle Steiner  <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
><http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm>

Yep, it has been since 10.5.

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#72079

On 2015-03-24 16:58, dorayme wrote:
> Was copying a file to an external usb disk and while it was in the
> process, tried to also move it from the desktop to a particular other
> folder on the internal startup hard disk. Notice came up saying
>
> "“nameOfFile” can’t be opened right now because it’s being used by
> another task, such as moving or copying an item or emptying the Trash.
> Try again when the current task is complete."
>
> No problem, of course; in designing an OS it would be hard to think of
> everything down to the last detail!

Of course not.  You're changing its location with the second copy.  It's 
a "move" not a copy.  You're changing its source location before the 
first copy is finished.

OTOH, if you copy/paste it during the operation (drag (copy) to the 
external drive and copy/paste (CMD-C/CMD-V) to the source drive 
different folder), there is no issue and both will occur.  Of course the 
original file will still be in the original place.

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