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  Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-20 17:03 -0700
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-20 20:28 -0400
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 14:38 +1100
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 13:55 +1100
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-20 20:59 -0700
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 16:51 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-21 07:53 -0700
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:19 +1100
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-21 09:57 +0000
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 09:06 -0400
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 13:11 -0400
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:51 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 15:10 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 06:24 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 17:49 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 21:10 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:18 +0000
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 10:57 -0400
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-21 15:01 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-03-21 16:20 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 12:38 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2015-03-21 17:18 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:55 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 17:15 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:04 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 10:11 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 14:16 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 22:29 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 13:40 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:32 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-21 15:08 -0700
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:02 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 17:46 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:19 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-22 09:52 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 14:12 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:00 +1100
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-22 18:58 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:32 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:30 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:20 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 21:10 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-23 09:47 -0500
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:48 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:50 +0000
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:54 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:31 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 14:20 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 05:53 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 19:05 +0000
                          Apple Watch Kills; was: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-24 10:20 -0700
                            Re: Apple Watch Kills; was: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-24 19:06 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:35 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:22 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-21 17:15 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 12:17 +1100
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-21 13:03 -0400
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 05:44 +1100
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-21 21:57 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:14 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 13:54 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:14 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 14:38 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:54 +1100
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 15:09 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 06:24 +1100
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 17:15 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 09:00 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:06 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 11:24 +1100
                              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:10 -0400
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:43 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:33 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:26 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:28 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-22 20:30 -0400
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:06 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:40 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:12 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:23 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-22 21:26 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:46 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:52 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:22 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:49 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:25 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:33 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 14:08 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-23 14:09 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 18:33 +0000
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 05:49 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:37 +1100
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:15 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:29 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:43 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:18 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 13:30 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 05:44 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 15:04 -0400
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 15:16 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 19:33 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 15:51 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 19:59 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 07:07 +1100
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 16:36 -0400
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 08:37 +1100
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 21:45 +0000
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-24 10:51 +1300
                              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-23 18:43 -0400
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 22:56 +0000
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 10:29 +1100
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-24 05:36 +0000
                              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-24 01:47 -0400
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 19:44 +1100
                                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-24 15:04 +0000
                            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-24 05:35 +0000
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-24 07:02 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:05 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:19 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 00:36 +0000
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 21:18 -0400
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 01:36 +0000
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 22:12 -0400
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-22 22:20 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:30 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 02:24 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 13:39 +1100
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-03-22 20:05 -0700
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 23:46 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 15:00 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 14:52 +1100
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-23 00:10 -0400
                          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 18:58 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-23 13:41 +0000
                        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 18:52 +0000
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:48 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:33 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:13 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:29 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:59 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies News <News@Group.Post> - 2015-03-23 13:14 -0400
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 01:39 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 00:52 -0400
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 02:11 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 17:44 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 06:22 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 02:40 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 22:17 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 17:28 +1100
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 02:47 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 17:56 +1100
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 04:09 -0400
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 19:14 +1100
                    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 04:47 -0400
                      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 20:40 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-22 08:49 -0400
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:38 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 04:38 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-22 22:23 +0000
                Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 20:13 -0400
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 12:30 +1100
                  Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 03:11 +0000
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-22 08:43 -0400
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:36 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 04:31 +1100
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:24 +0000
            Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-22 14:04 -0400
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 05:25 +1100
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 23:15 +0000
              Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-23 02:40 +0000
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-21 09:02 -0400
    Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-21 11:43 -0500
      Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 13:10 +0000
        Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-22 10:33 -0500
          Re: Apple Pay Exposes Insecure Bank Policies Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-22 15:48 +0000

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#71876

In article <550f6b18$0$16741$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> The problem here is that as a cardholder, I *need* to know what
> information is being transmitted by Apple to my Bank.

no you don't.


> > Liar. Other information is included. 
> 
> Then how come the Apple public web site limits the info to what is on
> the face of the credit card for cards added that are not in Itunes
> account ? 

they don't.

> And how come it doesn't specifically list what iTunes account
> info is released to the banks.

because then the bad guys will know what to do to fake it.

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#71885

On 2015-03-23, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-03-22 21:12, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> You actually think Apple designed Apple Pay with no input from banks?
>> You're pretty silly.
>
> I never said that didn't accept input from banks. But having a dialogue
> does not mean that Apple accepts all the bank's requests.

It doesn't mean Apple doesn't accept the bank's requests either. So far
you haven't shown a shred of proof to back up your assertion that Apple
strong armed banks into using less information than was needed. And the
fact that most Apple Pay users report their cards provision without
issue shows it's not an issue for most.

>> It also states that Apple sends other information, as you have been told
>> repeatedly but choose to conveniently ignore. And it doesn't claim to
>> list all of the information that is used, either.
>
> The problem here is that as a cardholder, I *need* to know what
> information is being transmitted by Apple to my Bank.

Nope. You don't need to know, since you have zero liability in the
matter. 

> I *must* know. In fact when Apple Pay comes to Canada, if Apple does not divulge that
> information, they'll get a letter from the Privacy Commissioner
> requiring Apple to comply with PIPEDA.

Good luck with that. : )

>> Liar. Other information is included. 
>
> Then how come the Apple public web site limits the info to what is on
> the face of the credit card for cards added that are not in Itunes
> account ?

People in this very thread have provided quotes from Apple stating that
other information is provided. You have chosen to ignore this because it
doesn't support your troll that Apple is not including other
information.

> And how come it doesn't specifically list what iTunes account
> info is released to the banks.

Because it's really none of your business, and likely because even the
banks don't want you to know.

> They'll have to update that web page when they expand Apple Pay to
> countries that have privacy laws.
>
>


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#71887

"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message 
news:550f6b18$0$16741$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com...
> On 15-03-22 21:12, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> You actually think Apple designed Apple Pay with no input from banks?
>> You're pretty silly.
>
> I never said that didn't accept input from banks. But having a dialogue
> does not mean that Apple accepts all the bank's requests.
>
>> It also states that Apple sends other information, as you have been told
>> repeatedly but choose to conveniently ignore. And it doesn't claim to
>> list all of the information that is used, either.
>
> I have been told that repeatedly by people who fail to actually provide
> the information so they won't help "thugs".

> The problem here is that as a cardholder, I *need* to know
> what information is being transmitted by Apple to my Bank.

No you don’t.

> I *must* know.

Nope.

> In fact when Apple Pay comes to Canada, if Apple does
> not divulge that information, they'll get a letter from the
> Privacy Commissioner requiring Apple to comply with PIPEDA.

Wrong.

>> Liar. Other information is included.

> Then how come the Apple public web site limits the info to what is on
> the face of the credit card for cards added that are not in Itunes account 
> ?

It says nothing of the sort.

> And how come it doesn't specifically list what
> iTunes account info is released to the banks.

Because that allows thieves to deliberately engineer that data.

> They'll have to update that web page when they
> expand Apple Pay to countries that have privacy laws.

Wrong. 

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#71891

On 15-03-22 21:52, someone pretending to be Rod Speed wrote:

> Because that allows thieves to deliberately engineer that data.


Ludicrous argument.

Bank: to register card, you need to authenticate yourself with private
information, simular to when you activate physical card.

Thieves know this include date of birth, address, telephone number and
possibly other question such as mother's maiden name.

So, before they steal and database from some store, they will make sure
this database has that information otherwise, that information is
useless to them to be loaded onto a phone.

(Which leaves them to buying porn on the internet since you can spend
money with just a credit card name and not have it delivered anywhere)

In other words, making it clear that there are high standards to
activate a card on Apple Pay will steer thieves away from Apple Pay.

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#71905

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote

>>> And how come it doesn't specifically list what
>>> iTunes account info is released to the banks.

>> Because that allows thieves to deliberately engineer that data.

> Ludicrous argument.

Nope.

> Bank: to register card, you need to authenticate yourself with
> private information, simular to when you activate physical card.

That isn't what that comment was about.

> Thieves know this include date of birth, address, telephone number
> and possibly other question such as mother's maiden name.

But they don’t know what the bank does to check if that data is valid.

> So, before they steal and database from some store,

That isn't what was being discussed either.

> they will make sure this database has that information otherwise,

Not even possible to do that before you steal it.

> that information is useless to them to be loaded onto a phone.

Wrong again.

> (Which leaves them to buying porn on the internet since you can spend
> money with just a credit card name and not have it delivered anywhere)

Even sillier than you usually manage.

> In other words, making it clear that there are high standards to
> activate a card on Apple Pay will steer thieves away from Apple Pay.

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.
 

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#71913

Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like:
> The problem here is that as a cardholder, I *need* to know what
> information is being transmitted by Apple to my Bank.

No you don't.

> I *must* know.

No you mustn't.

> In
> fact when Apple Pay comes to Canada, if Apple does not divulge that
> information, they'll get a letter from the Privacy Commissioner
> requiring Apple to comply with PIPEDA.

That's nice. You get to agree to a EULA before adding a card to Apple
Pay. You can read that EULA and decline to participate in Apple Pay or
accept it and participate. If the PIPEDA is so stupid that Apple cannot
send the necessary information to the bank, then Canada will never get
Apple Pay. Simple.

>> Liar. Other information is included. 

> Then how come the Apple public web site limits the info to what is on
> the face of the credit card for cards added that are not in Itunes
> account ?

Because you are a moron who cannot read and is taking general
information page as gospel instead of reading ACTUAL documentation that
has been provided to you dozens of times. Also, because you are an
asshole, an Apple-basher, and a liar.

And how come it doesn't specifically list what iTunes account
> info is released to the banks.

Because that wouldd be *stupid*.

> They'll have to update that web page when they expand Apple Pay to
> countries that have privacy laws.

No they won't.

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#71943

In article <550f6b18$0$16741$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> The problem here is that as a cardholder, I *need* to know what
> information is being transmitted by Apple to my Bank. I *must* know.

Why?

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#71945

On 15-03-23 13:33, D.F. Manno wrote:

>> The problem here is that as a cardholder, I *need* to know what
>> information is being transmitted by Apple to my Bank. I *must* know.
> 
> Why?

Data privacy rules. Once company cannot start to divulge my private
information to another company without my consent.

Consent is simple to get.

And if Apple embedded such consent in its 10,000 page "agree" document
there will be questions on whether it is considered actual consent since
nobody reads it.

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#71946

In article <55105691$0$25104$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Data privacy rules. Once company cannot start to divulge my private
> information to another company without my consent.

you consented when signing up for the card and/or applepay. read the
fine print.

> And if Apple embedded such consent in its 10,000 page "agree" document
> there will be questions on whether it is considered actual consent since
> nobody reads it.

it's not apple's problem if you don't read it.

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#71953

On 2015-03-23, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-03-23 13:33, D.F. Manno wrote:
>
>>> The problem here is that as a cardholder, I *need* to know what
>>> information is being transmitted by Apple to my Bank. I *must* know.
>> 
>> Why?
>
> Data privacy rules. Once company cannot start to divulge my private
> information to another company without my consent.

You give your consent when you add the card to Apple Pay.

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#71956

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote
> D.F. Manno wrote

>>> The problem here is that as a cardholder, I *need* to know what
>>> information is being transmitted by Apple to my Bank. I *must* know.

>> Why?

> Data privacy rules. Once company cannot start to divulge my
> private information to another company without my consent.

Apple does have your consent. You give that very
explicitly when you add your card to ApplePay.

> Consent is simple to get.

And if you don’t give it, you don’t get to add that card to ApplePay.

> And if Apple embedded such consent in its 10,000 page "agree" document

It doesn’t.

> there will be questions on whether it is considered
> actual consent since nobody reads it. 

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#71880

"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message 
news:550f5e1a$0$25083$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com...
> On 15-03-22 19:26, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> The banks and Apple defined which information would be collected
>> initially before launch.
>
> Sorry, but you cannot state that. You have stated you are not working
> for Apple, so in that case, you have no way of knowing what really
> happened.
>
> What we know is that the Apple web site on Apple Pay paints an overly
> simplistic and inadequate process of just taking picture of a credit
> card without providing any additional info.
>
> It seems to me like Apple told banks "this is all we're gonna provide,
> if you need more, get customer to phone you to provide more". Not quite
> "working togerther de decide what would be provided".
>
>
>> The banks and Apple knew ahead of time what
>> rough percentages of cards would fall into green, yellow, and red paths.
>
> Sorry, but with only credit card number, expiration and name on card,

They get a LOT more than just that.

> there is no way for a bank to gauge authenticity of request.

But there is with what they actually do get.

> So if they base a decision on some sort of customer profile,

They don’t.

> this basically means "we'll blindly authorize activation
> becase this customer is a good customer"

They don’t do that either.

> without having any information whatsoever on whether the
> person who requested the activation is actually that customer.

That is a lie.

> A smart bank would put all customers on "yellow" by default
> to force customer to provide more info before acticating a card

That would be a very STUPID bank indeed given the cost of doing it that way.

> since the initial activation request coming through Apple's servers
> contains insufficient inforamation to make such a decision.

That is a bare faced lie.

 

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#71889

On 15-03-22 21:37, Rod Speed wrote:

>> Sorry, but with only credit card number, expiration and name on card,
> 
> They get a LOT more than just that.

Please, please, pray tell what additional information does Passport get
from a card after taking a picture of it and doing OCR on it to get the
info ?


I shall repeat the quote from the Apple web site:

http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/apple-pay/

##
Setup is simple. Passbook already stores your boarding passes, tickets,
coupons, and more. Now it can store your credit and debit cards, too. To
get started, you can add the credit or debit card from your iTunes
account to Passbook by simply entering the card security code.

To add a new card on iPhone, use your iSight camera to enter your card
information. Or simply type it in manually. The first card you add
automatically becomes your default payment card, but you can go to
Passbook anytime to pay with a different card or select a new default in
Settings.
##

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#71895

On 2015-03-23, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-03-22 21:37, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>> Sorry, but with only credit card number, expiration and name on card,
>> 
>> They get a LOT more than just that.
>
> Please, please, pray tell what additional information does Passport get
> from a card after taking a picture of it and doing OCR on it to get the
> info ?
>
>
> I shall repeat the quote from the Apple web site:
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/apple-pay/

That's a marketing web page which doesn't give anywhere near a
definitive or complete list of the information sent to the bank. You're
pretty stupid if you believe that's all the information that is sent.
Stop pretending to be brain dead stupid just to troll. It's lame.

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#71903

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> Sorry, but with only credit card number, expiration and name on card,

>> They get a LOT more than just that.

> Please, please, pray tell what additional information
> does Passport get from a card after taking a picture
> of it and doing OCR on it to get the info ?

Didn’t say it comes from the card.

> I shall repeat the quote from the Apple web site:

> http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/apple-pay/

> ##
> Setup is simple. Passbook already stores your boarding passes, tickets,
> coupons, and more. Now it can store your credit and debit cards, too.
> To get started, you can add the credit or debit card from your iTunes
> account to Passbook by simply entering the card security code.

Doesn’t say anything about what information Apple sends to the bank.

In fact the other one from Apple says that
a LOT more info than that is sent to the bank.

> To add a new card on iPhone, use your iSight camera to
> enter your card information. Or simply type it in manually.

Doesn’t say anything about what information Apple sends to the bank.

In fact the other one from Apple says that
a LOT more info than that is sent to the bank.

> The first card you add automatically becomes your default
> payment card, but you can go to Passbook anytime to pay
> with a different card or select a new default in Settings.
> ##

Irrelevant to what is being discussed. 

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#71912

Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like:
> Sorry, but with only credit card number, expiration and name on card,
> there is no way for a bank to gauge authenticity of request.

And you are the only moron on the face of the planet claiming this is
ALL the information that is sent. The only one so stupid as to make up
this complete and utter lie and then claim to believe it.

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#71926

On 2015-03-23, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like:
>> Sorry, but with only credit card number, expiration and name on card,
>> there is no way for a bank to gauge authenticity of request.
>
> And you are the only moron on the face of the planet claiming this is
> ALL the information that is sent. The only one so stupid as to make up
> this complete and utter lie and then claim to believe it.

Oh it's not stupidity. He's trolling, plain and simple. JF Mezei is an
utterly lame troll; but a troll none the less.

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#71955

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote 
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote
>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote

>>> Sorry, but with only credit card number, expiration and name on 
>>> card, there is no way for a bank to gauge authenticity of request.

>> And you are the only moron on the face of the planet claiming this 
>> is ALL the information that is sent. The only one so stupid as to 
>> make up this complete and utter lie and then claim to believe it.
 
> Oh it's not stupidity. He's trolling, plain and simple. 
> JF Mezei is an utterly lame troll; but a troll none the less.

Nope, he's nothing like a troll. He just gets the wrong end of
the stick at times, most obviously most recently on the question
of what data Apple gives the bank when someone is adding
a card to ApplePay that has not been used in iTunes. He looks
at what Apple says about how you physically do that and
assumes that Apple is saying that they only send the name,
number and CVV to the bank when in fact Apple says elsewhere
very explicitly instead that they send a lot more than just that
without actually listing in detail what extra data they send 
because that would make it easier to fraud the system.  

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#71960

In article <550f0c0b$0$56387$c3e8da3$38634283@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> You are assuming the bank has means to contact 100% of customers. In
> many cases, they only have phone number at home. Don't assume they can
> SMS , email 100% of their customers.

Outside of marketing departments, you may be the only person in the 
world who thinks banks have _too little_ information on their customers.

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GOP delenda est!

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#71965

On 15-03-23 15:04, D.F. Manno wrote:

> Outside of marketing departments, you may be the only person in the 
> world who thinks banks have _too little_ information on their customers.


This isn't about what info a bank has on a customer. It is about the
customer authenticaing him/herself sufficiently to confirm he is the one
actiavting a card on Apple Pay.

If banks have to take supplemetary measures such as forcinfg you to
insteall their proprietary apps, then it means that Apple Pay does not
supply sufficient information to allow the bank to authenticate that you
are the rightful owner of the card.

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